SAN FRANCISCO COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT MONTHLY MEETING OF THE HONORABLE BOARD OF TRUSTEES THURSDAY, MAY 27, 2010 CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO GOUGH STREET CAMPUS 33 GOUGH STREET SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA REPORTED BY: MICHELE M. SHEA, CSR NO. 11345 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 3 4 THE HONORABLE BOARD OF TRUSTEES 5 6 NATALIE BERG 7 CHRIS JACKSON 8 MILTON MARKS III 9 STEVE NGO 10 JOHN RIZZO 11 12 13 14 DR. DON Q. GRIFFIN, CHANCELLOR 15 RONALD LEE, GENERAL COUNSEL 16 JOSHUA NIELSEN, STUDENT TRUSTEE 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MAY 27, 2010 3 1 BE IT REMEMBERED THAT ON THURSDAY, MAY 27, 2010, 2 COMMENCING AT THE HOUR OF 7:05 P.M. THEREOF, AT CITY COLLEGE 3 OF SAN FRANCISCO, 33 GOUGH STREET, SAN FRANCISCO, 4 CALIFORNIA, BEFORE ME, MICHELE M. SHEA, A CERTIFIED 5 SHORTHAND REPORTER FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THE 6 FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD: 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MAY 27, 2010 4 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: HI, GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. 2 I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING OF THE 3 BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR THE SAN FRANCISCO COMMUNITY COLLEGE 4 DISTRICT. IT IS THURSDAY, MAY 27TH, 2010, AND IT IS 7:05. 5 AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR GOING OVER IN OUR CLOSED 6 SESSION. WE ARE MEETING TONIGHT AT 33 GOUGH STREET IN SAN 7 FRANCISCO. 8 CHANCELLOR, IF YOU COULD CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE. 9 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: PRESIDENT MILTON MARKS. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: HERE. 11 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: VICE PRESIDENT JOHN RIZZO. 12 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: HERE. 13 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: DR. NATALIE BERG. 14 TRUSTEE BERG: HERE. 15 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: DR. ANITA GRIER. 16 TRUSTEE GRIER: (NO RESPONSE.) 17 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: CHRIS JACKSON. 18 TRUSTEE JACKSON: (NO RESPONSE.) 19 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: STEVE NGO. 20 TRUSTEE NGO: HERE. 21 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: LAWRENCE WONG. 22 TRUSTEE WONG: (NO RESPONSE.) 23 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: JOSHUA NEILSEN, THE STUDENT 24 TRUSTEE. 25 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN: HERE. MAY 27, 2010 5 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: WE HAVE A QUORUM. 2 RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. 3 (PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE RECITED.) 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: JUST AN ANNOUNCEMENT, BECAUSE 5 WE ARE MISSING THREE OF OUR COLLEAGUES TONIGHT, WE ARE NOT 6 GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH OUR RETREAT WHICH WAS GOING TO BE 7 PART OF THIS MEETING. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO RESCHEDULE 8 THAT. 9 WE HAVE, AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETINGS, TEN 10 MINUTES OF PUBLIC COMMENT. PEOPLE SPEAKING FOR TWO 11 MINUTES APIECE. THIS IS ON ISSUES THAT ARE NOT ON OUR 12 AGENDA TONIGHT. AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT 13 THE END OF THE MEETING AS WELL. 14 I HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS ABOUT THE TULAY 15 PROGRAM. HOW MANY DO I HAVE HERE? 16 I'M WONDERING IF EVERYBODY WHO HAD SUBMITTED A 17 CARD COULD ACTUALLY COME UP HERE TO THE LECTURN RIGHT NOW. 18 I HAVE LEO PAZ, DENNIS NORMANDY, AMY MACK, ROSALIE ROGUE, 19 RICK CANTORA, PEDRO ALFORQUE, MAUREEN O'MARIO, AND LOAN 20 HUYNH. 21 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: ONE MINUTE EACH. 22 (YELLOW CARDS WERE NOT PROVIDED FOR ACCURATE 23 SPELLING OF NAMES.) 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO 25 LIMIT IT JUST TO A MINUTE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. MAY 27, 2010 6 1 SO LEO PAZ IS THE ONE I HAD FIRST. 2 MR. PAZ: HI, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD 3 OF TRUSTEES, CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN, COLLEAGUES FROM THE CCSF 4 FACULTY, CLASSIFIED STAFF, ADMINISTRATORS, STUDENTS, AND 5 GUESTS FROM OUR COMMUNITY. SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS 6 ARE HERE TONIGHT. 7 I AM LEO PAZ, CHAIR FOR FILIPINO STUDIES AND 8 INSTRUCTOR FOREIGN LANGUAGES. 9 WE CAME HERE TONIGHT TO THANK THE BOARD OF 10 TRUSTEES, CCSF MANAGEMENT, ESPECIALLY DR. GRIFFIN FOR THE 11 GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT FOR TULAY THIS NEW STUDENT SUCCESS 12 PROGRAM WHICH HAS BEEN STARTED AND LAUNCHED. WE OPEN IN 13 AUGUST. AND WE HAVE SPACES OVER ON THE THIRD FLOOR OF 14 CLOUD HALL. 15 WE THANK YOU FOR THE VISION AND THE DIRECTION 16 YOU HAVE GIVEN US TO START THIS PROGRAM. AND 17 FORTUITOUSLY, THIS PROGRAM COINCIDES WITH THE NEW 18 ORGANIZATION STRUCTURE WHICH PROVIDES AND PLACES ALL 19 RETENTION PROGRAMS UNDER THE MANAGEMENT OF ONE DEAN. 20 THIS ENABLES FOCUS ON THE SPECIFIC NEEDS OF 21 STUDENT GROUPS, AS WELL AS THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE OF 22 SHARED RESOURCES, BOTH MATERIAL RESOURCES AND HUMAN 23 RESOURCES. 24 WE ALSO TAKE THIS OCCASION TO THANK THE VARIOUS 25 SHARED GOVERNANCE GROUPS, THE DIVERSITY COMMITTEE, THE MAY 27, 2010 7 1 COLLEGE ADVISORY COUNCIL, THE FACILITIES COMMITTEE, THE 2 PLANNING AND BUDGET COMMITTEE, AND OTHERS WHO HAVE 3 ENDORSED OR APPROVED THIS PROGRAM THAT WE PRESENTED TO 4 THEM. AND THEY HAVE GIVEN US VALUABLE INPUT FOR THIS 5 PROGRAM. 6 I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE APASS GROUP, 7 PARTICULARLY DIRECTOR DR. MINH-HOA TA, WHO NURTURED AND 8 GREW THIS PROGRAM AND MADE IT FLOURISH. THE PROGRAM TULAY 9 ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH OUR APASS. I WANT TO SAY ANY 10 SUCCESS OF TULAY IS ALSO A SUCCESS OF APASS. 11 THIS OCCASION, IN THE WORDS OF TRUSTEE RIZZO 12 LAST WEEK, IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO AFFIRM ALL OF THE GOOD 13 WORK WE HAVE BEEN DOING TOGETHER. SO TONIGHT WE 14 CELEBRATE. WE AFFIRM. WE THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE 15 SUPPORT. AND IT IS ALSO A PRAYER THAT EVERYBODY PLEASE 16 CONTINUE GIVING US SUPPORT BECAUSE ALL ALONG THE PROCESS 17 IT HAS BEEN -- 18 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 19 -- A COLLEGIAL ISSUE. 20 LET ME NOW PRESENT -- 21 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 22 -- FOUR-TIME PUBLIC UTILITIES PRESIDENT. AND 23 HE'S SERVED UNDER FIVE CITY MAYORS. HE WAS COMMISSIONER 24 FOR THE LIBRARY AND THE PUC AND THE CIVIL SERVICE, AND NOW 25 HE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. MAY 27, 2010 8 1 THAT'S COMMISSIONER DENNIS NORMANDY. 2 MR. NORMANDY: PRESIDENT MARKS, VICE PRESIDENT 3 RIZZO, CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN, AND HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE 4 BOARD OF TRUSTEES. GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS DENNIS 5 NORMANDY. 6 I LONG HAVE BEEN AN ADMIRER AND SUPPORTER OF 7 CITY COLLEGE, ITS CHANCELLOR'S, AND ITS BOARDS OF 8 TRUSTEES. 9 I RECALL WITH PLEASURE WHEN IN MY CAPACITY AS 10 PRESIDENT OF THE SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC UTILITIES 11 COMMISSION, I FACILITATED THE MEETING OF MINDS BETWEEN 12 CITY COLLEGE AND OUR WATER ENTERPRISE, AS TO THE 13 RECONFIGURATION AND FUTURE USE OF BALBOA RESERVOIR WHICH 14 ADJOINS YOUR MAIN CAMPUS. 15 TONIGHT I JOIN THE APPLAUSE AND THE CHORUS OF 16 APPRECIATION FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND FUNDING OF TULAY, WHICH 17 MEANS "BRIDGE," WHICH IS THE FILIPINO-AMERICAN STUDENT 18 SUCCESS PROGRAM. 19 I ALSO AM HERE TO PLEDGE THE RESOURCES OF OUR 20 FILIPINO-AMERICAN COMMUNITY INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY 21 TO PARTNER WITH YOU TO ASSURE THE LONG-TERM SUCCESS OF 22 TULAY. 23 WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS A TESTAMENT TO YOUR WISDOM 24 AND VISION, AS WELL AS PROOF OF THIS VENERABLE 25 INSTITUTION'S CONTINUING VALUE TO ITS CONSTITUENTS MAY 27, 2010 9 1 THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO. WE THANK 2 YOU. MABUHAY. 3 TRUSTEE BERG: MABUHAY. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 5 MS. MACK: GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMY MACK. 6 I'M HERE TO THANK CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN AND ALL THE 7 BOARD MEMBERS FOR SUPPORTING TULAY FILIPINO-AMERICAN 8 STUDENT SUCCESS PROGRAM. I AM A FULL-TIME COUNSELOR FOR 9 THE NEW STUDENT COUNSELING DEPARTMENT. BUT 20 YEARS AGO, 10 I WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED FILIPINO-AMERICAN STUDENT 11 ASSOCIATION. I WAS A RECIPIENT OF THE UPASA SCHOLARSHIP. 12 I WAS A STUDENT IN BASIC SKILLS COURSES. AND I AM PROUD 13 NOW TO BE A COUNSELOR HERE. I'M PROUD ALSO TO FACILITATE 14 THE FILIPINO RETENTION TASK GROUP FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 15 SEVERAL TASK GROUP MEMBERS WILL BE SPEAKING 16 TODAY, BUT I WANT TO SPEAK TODAY REGARDING WHAT OUR 17 PROGRAM IS ABOUT AND SOME FIL-AM STATISTICS. 18 AS YOU KNOW IN 2008-2009 FILIPINO-AMERICAN 19 STUDENTS COMPRISED 7 PERCENT OF CREDIT STUDENTS 20 SPECIFICALLY, 3,780. AND WE ARE TWO PERCENT OF THE 21 NONCREDIT PROGRAMS, SPECIFICALLY 888 STUDENTS. 22 AGAIN, WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE GUIDANCE AND 23 SUPPORT FROM CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN THE PAST TWO YEARS FOR 24 SECURING OUR SPACE AT TULAY PROGRAM IN CLOUD 363. 25 THE TULAY PROGRAM HAS SERVED HUNDREDS OF MAY 27, 2010 10 1 STUDENTS, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING MORE AS WE 2 CONTINUE PEER MENTORING, TUTORING IN MATH AND ENGLISH, 3 COUNSELING, CULTURAL INSTRUCTIONAL COMPONENTS THAT WILL 4 GREATLY BENEFIT STUDENTS. 5 WE WILL BE RECRUITING SLOTS IN ENGLISH 91, 92, 6 93; MATH E3, 840, 860; IDST 50 AND ACCLIMATE ACHIEVEMENT 7 PROGRAM ORIENTATION OF THE COLLEGE. MUCH LIKE THE EFFORTS 8 OF PUENTE AND THE KABABAYAN PROGRAM AT CITY COLLEGE, THE 9 TULAY PROGRAM WILL FOCUS ON CREATING AN ACTIVE AND 10 CULTURAL STRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS FIL-AM STUDENTS IN 11 PURSUIT OF EDUCATION. 12 THE TULAY PROGRAM HAS FOUR INTEGRATED 13 COMPONENTS: COUNSELING, MENTORING, FILIPINO CULTURAL 14 AWARENESS AND INSTRUCTION. IN THESE COMPONENTS, THE TULAY 15 PROGRAM -- 16 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 17 -- INTEGRATES THE FILIPINO CURRICULUM COMMUNITY 18 SERVICE, COUNSELING SERVICE, PEER MENTORING, AND 19 IDENTIFIES SKILLED COURSES LINKED WITH COLLEGE AND 20 PHILIPPIAN STUDIES COURSES. 21 THANK YOU, AGAIN, CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN AND THE 22 BOARD, FOR SUPPORTING TULAY. 23 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 24 MS. ROQUE: GOOD EVENING, BOARD OF TRUSTEES, 25 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN AND GUESTS. MY NAME IS ROSALIE SANTOS MAY 27, 2010 11 1 ROQUE, AND I AM A CLASSIFIED STAFF AT THE DISTRICT 2 BUSINESS OFFICE HERE AT CITY COLLEGE. 3 AS A BOARD MEMBER OF THE FILIPINO-AMERICAN 4 ASSOCIATION, I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND OUR SINCERE THANKS FOR 5 YOUR SUPPORT IN THE TULAY PROGRAM. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO 6 MAY NOT KNOW, THE FIL-AM ASSOCIATION HERE AT THE COLLEGE 7 WAS FORMED IN THE EARLY 80'S WITH THE MISSION TO SUPPORT 8 THE NEEDS OF FILIPINO STUDENTS. THE ASSOCIATION HAS 9 SEVERAL ONGOING ACTIVITIES THAT INCLUDES SCHOLARSHIPS, 10 FUND-RAISINGS, MENTORSHIP AND SOCIAL EVENTS. 11 NOW THAT WE HAVE THE TULAY PROGRAM IN PLACE, WE 12 PLAN TO PROVIDE OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY TO 13 MEET THE OBJECTIVES OF THIS PROGRAM, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY 14 HELP AND GUIDE THE FILIPINO STUDENTS TOWARD THE SUCCESS OF 15 THEIR EDUCATIONAL GOALS. 16 ON A PERSONAL NOTE, CITY COLLEGE HAS BEEN A BIG 17 PART OF MY LIFE. I AM A GRADUATE OF CITY COLLEGE AND A 18 FORMER MEMBER OF UPASA, A FILIPINO-AMERICAN STUDENT 19 ORGANIZATION. CITY COLLEGE HAS GUIDED ME THROUGH MY 20 EDUCATIONAL AND CAREER GOALS THROUGH THE MENTORSHIP OF 21 COUNSELORS -- 22 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 23 -- TEACHERS, AND SUPERVISORS. AFTER RECEIVING A 24 TWO-YEAR DEGREE AT CITY COLLEGE, I WAS ABLE TO TRANSFER 25 AND ACHIEVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE FROM SAN FRANCISCO STATE. MAY 27, 2010 12 1 THEREAFTER, I CONTINUED TO WORK FULL TIME AT CITY COLLEGE, 2 RAISE A FAMILY AND PURSUE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN PUBLIC 3 ADMINISTRATION AT GOLDEN GATE UNIVERSITY TO FURTHER 4 ADVANCE MY CAREER. 5 WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY AND MY 6 SUPERVISORS JOHN BILMONT AND AMELIA SANDRO, THIS WOULD NOT 7 HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE. 8 WITH THAT SAID, I BELIEVE THAT WITH THIS KIND OF 9 SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT THAT I HAVE RECEIVED, WE ARE 10 LOOKING AT A BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR EVERYONE AND THAT IS 11 EXACTLY WHAT THIS PROGRAM WILL FOCUS ON. 12 WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT AND 13 GUIDANCE FOR THE TULAY PROGRAM AS WE COLLABORATE IN 14 WORKING TOWARDS IMPROVED RETENTION AND HIGHER EDUCATION 15 FOR OUR STUDENTS. 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 17 MR. CANTORA: CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN, MEMBERS OF THE 18 BOARD, CITY COLLEGE COMMUNITY. MY NAME IS RICK CANTORA. 19 I FIRST BEGAN WORKING ON TRYING TO ESTABLISH A 20 FILIPINO RETENTION PROGRAM DURING MY TIME HERE AS A 21 STUDENT A LITTLE OVER SIX YEARS AGO. NOW I WORK HERE AT 22 CCSF AS A CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEE. IN ALL HONESTY, I HAVE 23 BEEN FRUSTRATED AT TIMES THAT IT HAS TAKEN THIS LONG FOR 24 TULAY TO BECOME A REALITY. 25 AS EDUCATORS, IT ASTONISHED ME THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY 27, 2010 13 1 WERE OKAY WITH WAITING YEARS FOR DATA TO BE DEVELOPED. 2 MEANWHILE, STUDENTS CONTINUED TO TOIL UNSUCCESSFULLY IN 3 THEIR ENGLISH AND MATH CLASSES IF WE WERE LUCKY. AND IF 4 WE WERE WEREN'T SO LUCKY, WE MIGHT NOT SEE THEM ON OUR 5 CAMPUSES EVER AGAIN. 6 THE FRUSTRATION I FELT WAS VERY PERSONAL FOR ME 7 AS A STUDENT BECAUSE I KNEW THE NAMES AND FACES, NANAYS 8 AND LOLAS OF THESE DESIRED STATISTICS. 9 I SAW CLOSE FRIENDS SPEND TEN PLUS HERE BECAUSE 10 OF THE LACK OF RESOURCES FOR OUR COMMUNITY. NOW AS A 11 CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEE OF THE COLLEGE, I SEE THE ISSUE FROM 12 AN ADDITIONAL LENS. I STILL SEE THE NEEDS OF FILIPINO 13 STUDENTS. BUT IN ADDITION, I SEE THE EXTRAORDINARY EFFORT 14 AND WORK OF STUDENTS -- 15 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 16 -- TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE THAT GO FAR 17 BEYOND THE REGULAR RIGGERS AND DEMANDS OF THE STUDENTS 18 LIFE. 19 I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME OF THESE STUDENTS. 20 MANY OF WHOM ARE MEMBERS OF THE STUDENT ORGANIZATION 21 FILIPINOS FOR EDUCATION, ART, CULTURE, AND EMPOWERMENT. 22 JEFFREY TRINIDAD, GENE APELLIDO, MARILYN DUGYAWI, BRIAN 23 BAUTISTA, VINCI-PAOLO VILBAR, PEDRO ALFORQUE, FRANCESCA 24 MAURICIO, MARIELLE BAUTISTA, PAUL VALDERRAMA, CHRISTIAN 25 VIVERO, JOEL ZABANAL, MARCO TULLY-SMITH, CHRISSY LEUMA, MAY 27, 2010 14 1 AND DOMINIQUE AIAVA. 2 THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE STUDENTS WHO HAVE 3 BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN THIS PROCESS OVER THE YEARS. THE 4 WORK AND PASSION OF THESE STUDENTS HAS BEEN GREAT. BUT 5 ALONG SIDE THEIR EXEMPLARY EFFORTS HAS BEEN THE WORK OF 6 OUR CURRENT CHANCELLOR DON GRIFFIN. 7 THANK YOU, CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN, FOR ALL OF YOUR 8 ENERGY AND TIME SPENT DEDICATED TO MAKING THIS PROGRAM A 9 REALITY AT CCSF. YOUR VISION AND INCITE ARE APPRECIATED, 10 WHILE YOUR COMMITMENT TO STUDENT SUCCESS IS RESPECTED. 11 THE FRUSTRATION THAT I ONCE FELT HAS FOUND SOME CLOSURE 12 HERE TODAY WITH THIS STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 13 THANK YOU TO THE BOARD FOR HOSTING THE EQUITY 14 HEARINGS. WE'VE PROVIDED MANY STUDENTS A FORUM FOR THE 15 FIRST TIME TO AIR SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS AND ISSUES. I 16 KNOW MANY OF YOU RECEIVED FLAK FOR THESE HEARINGS, BUT I 17 RESPECT YOUR ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS A STATUS QUO THAT HAS BEEN 18 SUB PAR AND THAT HAS BEEN FAILING MANY OF OUR STUDENTS. 19 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 20 MR. CANTORA: THANK YOU. 21 MR. ALFORQUE: GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PEDRO 22 ALFORQUE. I'M A STUDENT AND A MEMBER OF THE STUDENT 23 COUNCIL. 24 AND EVEN THOUGH I AM UNSURE OF HOW MANY SPECIFIC 25 BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THE TULAY RETENTION MAY 27, 2010 15 1 PROGRAM ISSUES, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD IN GENERAL 2 FOR THEIR OVERALL SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS IN SHARED 3 GOVERNANCE. 4 AS A STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE AND A FORMER TULAY 5 MENTOR, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT HAVING A UNIQUE CENTER 6 THAT FOCUSES ON FILIPINO RETENTION WILL DEFINITELY BENEFIT 7 ALL THE STUDENTS, NOT JUST THE FILIPINO ONES. 8 IT WILL BE ANOTHER ADDITIONAL SPACE ON CAMPUS 9 WHERE STUDENTS WILL BENEFIT FROM COUNSELING, STUDY GROUPS, 10 COMPUTERS, TULAY-RELATED EVENTS, AND WORKSHOPS THAT WE 11 WILL HAVE. 12 ALSO BEING AT CLOUD HALL, WE DEFINITELY LOOK 13 FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE LSN'S SPECIFICALLY AND ALSO 14 OTHER GROUPS WITHIN THE AREA. 15 WE ALSO LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH MEMBERS OF 16 THE POLYNESIAN COMMUNITY. AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED WITH 17 THEM ABOUT PROJECTS FOR THE UPCOMING SEMESTER. 18 PERSONALLY, I ONLY JOINED THE TULAY TASK FORCE 19 RECENTLY, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN A LONG-STANDING 20 EFFORT, EVEN BEFORE I CAME. SO I'M JUST REALLY GRATEFUL 21 FOR ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT -- 22 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 23 THANK YOU. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 25 MS. O'MARIO: HONORABLE COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME MAY 27, 2010 16 1 IS MARLENE O'MARIO AND I AM A TEACHER AND COORDINATOR OF 2 PINOY/PINAY EDUCATIONAL PARTNERSHIPS. 3 AND I HAVE BEEN ASKED BY MY DIRECTOR ALLYSON 4 TINTIANGO-CUBLES TO SHARE A LETTER FROM HER REGARDING YOUR 5 SUPPORT FOR TULAY. 6 "DEAR COMMUNITY COLLEGE BOARD MEMBERS, MY NAME 7 IS ALLYSON TINTIANGO-CUBLES. I'M A TENURED PROFESSOR OF 8 ASIAN-AMERICAN STUDIES, ETHNIC STUDIES, AND EDUCATION AT 9 SAN FRANCISCO STATE UNIVERSITY AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF 10 PINOY/PINAY EDUCATIONAL PARTNERSHIPS OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 11 PEP. 12 "PEP IS THE ONLY PROGRAM IN THE NATION THAT AIMS 13 TO SERVE FILIPINOS AND SIMILARLY MARGINALIZED KINDERGARTEN 14 TO DOCTORIAL STUDENTS. PEP WAS CREATED IN 2001 TO ADDRESS 15 THE NEEDS OF FILIPINO STUDENTS BECAUSE AT THAT TIME 16 STUDENTS WERE NOT FEELING SUPPORTED BY EXISTING PROGRAMS 17 IN SCHOOLS. 18 "HAVING DONE THEIR RESEARCH PROJECT ON FILIPINO 19 YOUTH WITH THE NATIONAL FEDERATION OF FILIPINO-AMERICAN 20 ASSOCIATIONS, WE FOUND THAT FILIPINOS HAVE HIGHER 21 INCIDENTS OF DROP OUT, SUICIDE, DEPRESSION, IN COMPARISON 22 TO THEIR ASIAN COUNTERPARTS. 23 "THESE ISSUES, ALONG WITH THE LACK OF FILIPINO 24 TEACHERS, COUNSELORS, AND CURRICULUM LOCALLY AND 25 NATIONALLY" -- MAY 27, 2010 17 1 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 2 -- "PROVIDED THE CONTEXT TO DEVELOP THE PROGRAMS 3 LIKE PEP. 4 "FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, PEP AND I HAVE 5 PARTNERED WITH LEO PAZ AND TULAY FROM CCSF TO DEVELOP 6 COURSES THAT COMBINE BOTH FILIPINO LANGUAGE AND HISTORY 7 AND CULTURE OF FILIPINO AMERICANS. THIS PARTNERSHIP WAS 8 BUILT OUT OF THE NEEDS OF STUDENTS, BOTH AT CCSF AND 9 SURROUNDING HIGH SCHOOLS TO DEVELOP A STRONGER CONNECTION 10 TO THEIR HISTORIES AND CULTURE. 11 "IN PEP WE HAVE FOUND THAT FOR MANY FILIPINO 12 STUDENTS, THEIR ACADEMIC STRUGGLES ARE NOT EASILY REMEDIED 13 THROUGH ACADEMIC ADVISING AND GENERALIZED SUPPORT. 14 "THROUGH MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE FOR THE PAST TWO 15 DECADES WORKING DIRECTLY WITH FILIPINO STUDENTS AT UC 16 BERKELEY, UCLA, CAL STATE NORTH RIDGE, SF STATE AND 17 THROUGHOUT THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN SAN FRANCISCO, I'VE SEEN 18 TIME AND TIME AGAIN A NEED FOR THEM TO FEEL CONNECTED AND 19 PART OF SOMETHING LARGER THAN THEMSELVES. IN MANY 20 SETTINGS, THEY FEEL MARGINALIZED OR TREATED AS THOUGH THEY 21 ARE THE OTHER. THEY ARE OFTEN IN SEARCH OF WHAT WE CALL 22 COMMUNITY SPIRIT. 23 "FOR FILIPINO STUDENTS AT CCSF, TULAY WILL 24 DIRECTLY PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THEM 25 TO SURVIVE AND SUCCEED. MAY 27, 2010 18 1 "I AM VERY EXCITED AND GRATEFUL THAT YOUR BOARD 2 HAS SHOWN SUPPORT FOR TULAY. THIS SHOWS GREAT COMMITMENT 3 TO FILIPINO YOUTH STUDENTS AND TO OUR COMMUNITY AT LARGE. 4 "PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME FOR SUPPORT OR 5 RESOURCES REGARDING FILIPINO YOUTH AND STUDENTS. 6 "IN SOLIDARITY, DR. ALLYSON TINTIANGO-CUBLES." 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 8 MS. VITORELO: GOOD EVENING, CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN, 9 PRESIDENT MARKS, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES. MY 10 NAME IS JOAN VITORELO. I HAVE BEEN A COUNSELING FACULTY 11 MEMBER OF THE INTERNATIONAL STUDENT COUNSELING DEPARTMENT 12 FOR A LITTLE OVER 20 YEARS. 13 THIS FALL, 2010, WILL MARK MY 40TH YEAR IN 14 EDUCATION. I AM HONORED TO SAY THAT 33 OF THOSE YEARS 15 HAVE BEEN RIGHT HERE AT CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO. I 16 AM ALSO ONE OF THE FORMER CHAIRS OF THE PHILIPPIAN STUDIES 17 DEPARTMENT AND HAVE THE DISTINCTION OF BEING THE FIRST AND 18 SO FAR THE ONLY WOMAN TO HAVE SERVED IN THE CHAIR'S 19 POSITION SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE DEPARTMENT IN THE 20 EARLY 70'S. 21 IT IS NOT OFTEN THAT I WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION 22 TO OUR BOARD OF TRUSTEES. I ONLY STAND BEFORE THE BOARD 23 WHEN I FEEL THERE ARE ISSUES THAT ARE NEAR AND DEAR TO MY 24 HEART. THE CREATION OF AREA H, ETHNIC STUDIES, WOMEN 25 STUDIES OR GAY AND LESBIAN STUDIES AND BISEXUAL STUDIES MAY 27, 2010 19 1 REQUIREMENT TO LOBBY THE BOARD FOR A FULL-TIME POSITION IN 2 PHILIPPIAN STUDIES AND NOW. 3 THROUGHOUT MY YEARS AT CITY COLLEGE OF SAN 4 FRANCISCO, I HAVE SEEN AND ACTUALLY BEEN A MEMBER OF MANY 5 COMMUNITIES AND COMMITTEES THAT WERE FORMED BY VARIOUS 6 MEMBERS OF THE CCSF FIL-AM COMMUNITY. THESE COMMITTEES 7 INCLUDED: ADMINISTRATORS, FACULTY, STAFF, AND MOST 8 IMPORTANTLY, OUR STUDENTS. 9 OUR FILIPINO-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, BOTH 10 COLLEGE-WIDE AND CITY-WIDE, HAVE ALWAYS REALIZED A NEED 11 AND ATTEMPTED TO PLAN, IMPLEMENT, AND FINANCE, THE 12 CREATION OF SUPPORT SERVICES AND RETENTION PROGRAMS FOR 13 OUR FILIPINO-AMERICAN STUDENTS. 14 OUR COMMUNITY NEVER STOPPED TRYING THROUGH ALL 15 THOSE YEARS, EVEN THOUGH ALL OF THESE ATTEMPTS WERE NOT 16 QUITE SUCCESSFUL. 17 IN 2005, ANOTHER COMMITTEE STARTED TO DREAM OF 18 PROGRAMS FOR OUR STUDENTS AGAIN AND IT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL. 19 TULAY, FILIPINO-AMERICAN STUDENT SUCCESS 20 PROGRAM, CAME INTO EXISTENCE THREE YEARS LATER IN 2008. 21 THE FILIPINO-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF US AT 22 CITY COLLEGE, HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT MOMENT AND THIS 23 MOMENT FOR MANY YEARS. THIS IS TRULY A HISTORIC MOMENT 24 FOR ALL OF US AND ALSO FOR CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO. 25 (TIMER SOUND.) MAY 27, 2010 20 1 ON BEHALF OF MY FILIPINO-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, I 2 WANT TO THANK YOU, CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN, FOR YOUR CONTINUING 3 SUPPORT OF TULAY AND THE FILIPINO-AMERICAN COMMUNITY AT 4 CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO. 5 I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF 6 TRUSTEES FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF TULAY, THE FILIPINO-AMERICAN 7 STUDENT SUCCESS. BECAUSE OF ALL OF YOU, THIS FALL, 2010, 8 TULAY WILL BE ONE OF FOUR RETENTION PROGRAMS UNDER THE 9 UMBRELLA OF THE MULTICULTURAL RETENTION SERVICES PROGRAM. 10 THANK YOU. 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 12 MR. WHITIKER: DAVE WHITIKER, I'M DIAMOND DAVE. 13 HEY EVERYBODY, BOARD OF TRUSTEES. 14 HERE WE BE, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS THE LAST 15 MEETING CERTAINLY OF THE SEASON. I WANTED TO COME FIRST 16 OF ALL AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT I GOT REELECTED TO THE 17 ASSOCIATED STUDENTS, SO I WILL BE AROUND. 18 PRESIDENT MARKS: CONGRATULATIONS. 19 MR. WHITIKER: BECAUSE I CAN SEE SOME DIFFICULT 20 TIMES I CERTAINLY HAD. WE WENT TO SACRAMENTO. TWO 21 PERCENT WENT AND THEY SAID WHEN WE CAME BACK AND WE DON'T 22 KNOW HOW MANY -- $4 MILLION. WHERE ARE WE GOING TO FIND? 23 $4 MILLION. 24 I HAD TO RIDE ON THE BUS COMING HERE, THE NO. 9 25 PACKED WITH THREE BUS LOADS ON ONE. THESE FOLKS ARE MAY 27, 2010 21 1 EITHER GOING BACK TO WORK ALL DAY STANDING UP OR COMING 2 HOME AFTER STANDING UP ALL DAY. IT'S PACKED. CUTBACKS, 3 CUTBACKS, CUTBACKS. 4 HOW MANY OF OUR STUDENTS ARE AFFECTED BY NO 5 CHILD CARE, MENTAL HEALTH, WELFARE TO WORK, GONE, GONE, 6 GONE. THESE ARE SOME HARD TIMES AHEAD FOLKS. WHEN IS THE 7 TIPPING POINT GOING TO BE REACHED BECAUSE WE BETTER GET 8 TOGETHER. AND WE BETTER PLAN FOR ONE ANOTHER. WE BETTER 9 WAKE UP. I'M SAYING, "WAKE UP" BECAUSE TOUGH TIMES ARE 10 AHEAD. SO LET'S GET TOGETHER AND REACH OUT TO OUR 11 BROTHERS AND SISTERS BECAUSE THE WHOLE IS GREATER THAN SUM 12 OF US -- 13 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 14 -- AND WE CAN DO MORE TOGETHER THAN ANY OF US 15 CAN DO ON OUR OWN. 16 SO I'LL BE AROUND. AND I JUST WANT TO END WITH 17 THE IMMORTAL WORDS OF BOB MARLEY: EMANCIPATE YOURSELF 18 FROM MENTAL SLAVERY; NONE BUT OURSELVES CAN FREE YOUR 19 MIND. 20 PULL THOSE PLUGS OUT. GET TO WORK. WE BETTER 21 BE DOING IT BECAUSE IF NOT US, WHO? AND IF NOT HERE, 22 WHERE? AND IF NOT NOW, WHEN? 23 THANKS A LOT FOLKS. SEE YOU IN AUGUST. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 25 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IS THAT IT? MAY 27, 2010 22 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: PARDON ME? 2 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IS THAT ALL? 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: YEP. 4 MS. BOECKMANN: HI. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: HI. 6 MS. BOECKMANN: I'M SUSAN BOECKMANN. I AM 7 FULL-TIME STAFF AND ALSO PART-TIME STUDENT -- 8 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 9 -- AND ONE OF THE THINGS -- 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 11 MS. BOECKMANN: AND ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE 12 ABOUT WORKING AT CITY COLLEGE IS I CAN TAKE CLASSES IN MY 13 SPARE TIME. SO FOR THE PAST TWO SEMESTERS, I HAVE BEEN ON 14 THE STAFF OF ETC. MAGAZINE. OUR ISSUE THAT WE PRODUCED 15 THIS SEMESTER JUST CAME OUT TWO DAYS AGO. AND YOU ALL 16 HAVE A COPY ON YOUR DESK. 17 SO I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE WORKED 18 SO HARD ON THIS, BREAK NECK SPEED. THE LAST DAY WE WERE 19 UP UNTIL 1:00 A.M. IN THE MORNING WORKING ON IT. THERE 20 ARE A LOT OF GREAT STORIES ABOUT STUDENTS. 21 MR. TETI: KIND OF LIKE THE BOARD MEETING. 22 MS. BOECKMANN: KIND OF LIKE THE BOARD MEETING, 23 ONLY WE GOT OUT EARLIER, YES. 24 SO ENJOY YOUR COPY. AND WE HAVE MORE OVER THERE 25 (INDICATING), AND I HAVE A FEW OVER THERE (INDICATING). MAY 27, 2010 23 1 AND I WILL BE THE EDITOR NEXT SEMESTER. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: CONGRATULATIONS. 3 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: GREAT. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 5 NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES 6 FROM OUR APRIL 29TH MEETING. 7 ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES AS THEY 8 WERE PRESENTED TO US? 9 IF NOT, IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE 10 THEM. 11 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: SO MOVED. 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO. 13 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 14 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 15 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES, 16 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 17 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 18 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 19 TRUSTEE JACKSON: (ABSENT.) 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 21 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 22 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 23 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 24 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? MAY 27, 2010 24 1 THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. 2 COUNSELOR LEE, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE 3 RESOLUTIONS AGENDA AS IT WAS PRESENTED? 4 COUNSEL LEE: THERE ARE SOME CHANGES. THERE'S A 5 HANDOUT ENTITLED, "ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS OF THE 6 BOARD AGENDA." 7 THERE ARE REVISED RESOLUTIONS, B9 AND S3. ADDED 8 RESOLUTIONS, F11 AND F12. AND WITHDRAWN RESOLUTION OF N1. 9 THESE CHANGES WERE ALL MADE ON MONDAY, SO WE ARE 10 IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT. 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. 12 IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE 13 RESOLUTIONS AGENDA AS AMENDED. 14 TRUSTEE BERG: SO MOVED. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 16 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECOND. 17 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY VICE PRESIDENT 18 RIZZO. 19 ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? 20 OTHERWISE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THE 21 RESOLUTIONS AGENDA AS AMENDED, PLEASE SAY "AYE." 22 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 23 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 24 TRUSTEE JACKSON: (ABSENT.) 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. MAY 27, 2010 25 1 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 2 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 3 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 4 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 6 THE RESOLUTIONS AGENDA IS ADOPTED. 7 WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA 8 ITEMS. THEY ARE LISTED ON OUR AGENDA WITH AN ASTERISK 9 NEXT TO THEM. AND AS WE ALWAYS DO, ANY MEMBER OF THE 10 BOARD CAN REMOVE ONE OF THESE FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR 11 FOR DISCUSSION IN GREATER DEPTH AND ANY MEMBER OF THE 12 PUBLIC CAN DO THE SAME THING. 13 SO ARE THERE ANY OF THE RESOLUTIONS IN THE B -- 14 B1, B2, B3, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO REMOVE FROM THE 15 CONSENT CALENDAR -- 16 IF NOT, IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVING 17 B1, B2, AND B3 -- I WOULD LIKE TO DO ALL THREE OF THEM AT 18 ONE TIME. IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION FOR THOSE THREE 19 RESOLUTIONS. 20 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 21 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 22 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN: SECOND. 23 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY STUDENT TRUSTEE 24 NEILSEN. 25 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN, YOUR VOTE ON B1, B2, MAY 27, 2010 26 1 AND B3. 2 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THOSE 4 THREE, PLEASE SAY "AYE." 5 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 6 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 7 TRUSTEE JACKSON: (ABSENT.) 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 11 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 13 THOSE RESOLUTIONS PASS. 14 B8, B9 -- 15 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE 16 B8 OFF. 17 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. ACTUALLY, I AM GOING TO 18 KEEP GOING. B9 AND B12. WE DON'T WE STOP THERE. 19 TRUSTEE BERG: SO MOVED. I MOVE B9 AND B12. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE BERG, B9 AND 21 B12. 22 TRUSTEE NGO: SECOND. 23 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 24 DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO -- 25 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN, YOUR VOTE ON B9 AND MAY 27, 2010 27 1 B12. 2 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THOSE 4 TWO RESOLUTIONS, PLEASE SAY "AYE." 5 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 6 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 7 TRUSTEE JACKSON: (ABSENT.) 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 11 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 13 THOSE PASS. 14 IF ANYBODY WANTS TO REMOVE B14, B15, B16, B17, 15 B18, B19, B20, OR B21, PLEASE SAY SO. 16 TRUSTEE BERG: SO MOVED. 17 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: SECOND. 19 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 20 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 21 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ALL OF 23 THOSE RESOLUTIONS, PLEASE SAY "AYE." 24 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 25 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) MAY 27, 2010 28 1 TRUSTEE JACKSON: (ABSENT.) 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 3 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 4 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 5 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 7 THOSE PASS. 8 C1 AND C2. 9 TRUSTEE BERG: MOVE C1 AND C2. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 11 TRUSTEE NGO: SECOND. 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 13 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 14 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF C1 AND 16 C2, PLEASE SAY "AYE." 17 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 18 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 19 TRUSTEE JACKSON: (ABSENT.) 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 21 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 22 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 23 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 24 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? MAY 27, 2010 29 1 THOSE PASS. 2 G1-5, H1-3 -- 3 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: DOES ANYBODY WANT TO PULL ANY 5 OF THOSE. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT, MR. PRESIDENT. 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: PARDON ME? 8 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 10 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 12 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 13 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 14 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF G1-5, 15 H1-3, PLEASE SAY "AYE." 16 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 17 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 18 TRUSTEE JACKSON: (ABSENT.) 19 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 20 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 21 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 22 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 23 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 24 THOSE PASS. 25 AND THAT IS OUR CONSENT CALENDAR. MAY 27, 2010 30 1 WITH THE BOARD AND THE AUDIENCE'S PERMISSION, I 2 WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ONE OF THE RESOLUTIONS UP. ACTUALLY, 3 S4, RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE RESOLUTION ABOUT THE 4 POSSIBILITY OF A PARCEL TAX. 5 SO IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION FOR S4, PLEASE. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 8 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 10 SO LESLIE, ARE YOU GOING TO START? 11 MS. SMITH: YES. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD 12 THE GODFREY RESEARCH TEAM TO PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS IN A 13 POLLING THAT WAS CONDUCTED IN ORDER TO ASCERTAIN THE 14 PUBLIC OPINION REGARDING THE COLLEGE AND THE FEASIBILITY 15 OF PURSUING A PARCEL TAX. 16 IS THAT A SUFFICIENT INTRODUCTION, WOULD YOU 17 LIKE TO GO TO RESULTS. 18 PRESIDENT MARKS: YES. 19 MS. SMITH: I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE BRYAN 20 GODBE AND AMELIA DAVIDSON FROM GODBE RESEARCH. 21 PRESIDENT MARKS: WELCOME. 22 MR. GODBE: THANK YOU, LESLIE. 23 MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE ARE 24 HAPPY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING TO PRESENT THE RESULTS OF 25 THE SURVEY. MAY 27, 2010 31 1 AS YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO THAT WE MET 2 TO GET THIS PROCESS OFF. WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN 3 MEETING THE BOARD'S AMBITIOUS SCHEDULE. AND WE ARE HAPPY 4 TO DO THAT. 5 THIS EVENING WE HAVE AN ANALYSIS LEVEL FOR YOU 6 THAT IS SUITED TO MAKING A DECISION, DOES THIS MOVE 7 FORWARD OR NOT, WHICH IS, OF COURSE, THE BOARD'S PURVIEW. 8 A MUCH MORE DETAILED SEGMENTATION IS CERTAINLY AVAILABLE. 9 AND IT WILL BE FORTHCOMING IN SUBSEQUENT LAYERS. 10 THIS EVENING DR. AMELIA DAVIDSON, FROM OUR 11 STAFF, IS GOING TO WORK US THROUGH IT. BOTH OF US ARE 12 HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR YOU, AS WELL AS OUR PARTNERS 13 FROM TBWB STRATEGIES MICHAEL TERRIS AND CHARLES HEATH, WHO 14 ARE RIGHT HERE AS WELL. 15 WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WILL LET AMELIA TAKE 16 OVER. 17 DR. DAVIDSON: THANK YOU. 18 IN ADDITION TO ASSESSING POTENTIAL SUPPORT FOR A 19 PARCEL TAX MEASURE, THE SURVEY WAS ALSO DESIGNED TO 20 IDENTIFY THE TAX RATE AND DURATION AT WHICH VOTERS WILL 21 SUPPORT A MEASURE. ALSO PRIORITIZE POTENTIAL PROGRAMS AND 22 SERVICES TO BE FUNDED BASED ON VOTER RECEPTION, TEST THE 23 INFLUENCE OF SUPPORTING AND OPPOSING ARGUMENTS ON 24 POTENTIAL SUPPORT, AND ACCESS VOTER OPINIONS OF CITY 25 COLLEGE. MAY 27, 2010 32 1 WE CONDUCTED A TELEPHONE SURVEY AND WERE 2 SAMPLING FROM THE ROUGHLY 267,000 SAN FRANCISCO VOTERS WHO 3 ARE ESTIMATED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE UPCOMING NOVEMBER 4 ELECTION. DATA COLLECTION FOR THE SURVEY TOOK PLACE IN 5 THE MIDDLE OF MAY. ON AVERAGE, INTERVIEWS WERE 17 MINUTES 6 LONG. AND THEY WERE OFFERED IN ENGLISH, CANTONESE, AND 7 SPANISH. 8 A TOTAL OF 800 VOTERS PARTICIPATED IN THE STUDY. 9 AND IN ORDER TO ASSESS POTENTIAL SUPPORT FOR TWO DIFFERENT 10 TYPES OF PARCEL TAX RATES, WE SPLIT THE SAMPLE INTO TWO OF 11 400 VOTERS EACH. THIS PRODUCED A MARGIN OF ERROR OF 12 ROUGHLY PLUS OR MINUS FIVE PERCENT. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, 13 THE SAMPLE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF SAN FRANCISCO VOTERS IN 14 TERMS OF GENDER, AGE, HOME OWNERSHIP STATUS, AND POLITICAL 15 PARTY TYPE. 16 THE SURVEY REVEALED THAT FULLY HALF OF 17 REGISTERED VOTERS HAVE ATTENDED CITY COLLEGE OR HAVE A 18 HOUSEHOLD MEMBER WHO HAS ATTENDED. THIS SHOWS THAT A 19 SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF BOTH VOTERS HAVE AN AFFILIATION 20 WITH THE COLLEGE WHICH CAN BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO SUPPORT FOR 21 A REVENUE MEASURE. 22 VOTERS WERE ALSO ASKED TO RATE CITY COLLEGE'S 23 PERFORMANCE IN TWO AREAS. SHOWN AT THE TOP OF THE CHART, 24 FULLY THREE OUT OF FOUR VOTERS HAD A FAVORABLE OPINION OF 25 THE JOB CITY COLLEGE IS DOING TO PROVIDE A QUALITY MAY 27, 2010 33 1 EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE FOR STUDENTS. 2 AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CHART, ROUGHLY ONE-THIRD OF 3 VOTERS HAD A FAVORABLE OPINION OF THE JOB CITY COLLEGE IS 4 DOING TO MANAGE AND SPEND TAXPAYER DOLLARS. 5 NOW HERE IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT VOTERS 6 WITH A FAVORABLE OPINION OUTNUMBERED THOSE WITH AN 7 UNFAVORABLE OPINION BY A RATIO OF CLOSE TO TWO TO ONE. 8 ALSO A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF "DON'T KNOW" 9 RESPONSES. 43 PERCENT FOR MANAGING AND SPENDING TAXPAYER 10 DOLLARS, WHICH INDICATES THAT HIGH PERCENTAGES OF VOTERS 11 WOULD BENEFIT FROM ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE 12 DISTRICT'S PERFORMANCE IN THESE AREAS. 13 TO ASSESS INITIAL VOTER REACTIONS TO A PARCEL 14 TAX MEASURE, VOTERS WERE READ A BRIEF SUMMARY OR A 15 SIMULATED BALLOT QUESTION. THIS IS THE POINT WHERE WE 16 SPLIT THE SAMPLE INTO TWO GROUPS OF 400. ONE GROUP 17 HEARING THE DETAILS OF A FLAT DOLLAR AMOUNT PER PARCEL AND 18 THE OTHER 400 VOTERS HEARING A PRICE PER TOTAL SQUARE FOOT 19 OF BUILDING AREA. 20 THE RESULTS INDICATE A BASE OF SUPPORT FOR A 21 PARCEL TAX MEASURE. BUT IN THESE TESTS, BOTH FELL BELOW 22 THE TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY REQUIRED IN ELECTION. 23 FOR A $95 PARCEL TAX, 59 PERCENT OF VOTERS 24 INDICATED SUPPORT. AND FOR A TWO-AND-A-HALF CENT PER 25 SQUARE FOOT PARCEL TAX, 61 PERCENT OF VOTERS INDICATED MAY 27, 2010 34 1 SUPPORT. 2 VOTERS WERE THEN READ A LIST OF DESCENDING TAX 3 RATES AND ASKED WHETHER THEY WOULD VOTE "YES" OR "NO" IN 4 AN ELECTION. SHOWN HERE ARE THE PERCENTAGE OF "YES" 5 RESPONSES. AGAIN, VOTERS HEARD EITHER A FLAT DOLLAR 6 AMOUNT PER PARCEL OR A PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT OF BUILDING 7 AREA. 8 SHOWN OVER ON THE FAR ARE THE LOWEST RATES 9 TESTED WHERE SUPPORT PEAKED. FOR A $49 PARCEL TAX, 71 10 PERCENT SUPPORT. AND FOR A ONE-AND-A-HALF CENT PER SQUARE 11 FOOT TAX, 67 PERCENT SUPPORT. 12 NOW WITH THE MARGIN OF ERROR, WE CAN 13 CONSERVATIVELY ESTIMATE THAT SUPPORT FOR A $49 PARCEL TAX 14 IS NOT BELOW 66 PERCENT. IT'S ON THE CUSP OF THE 15 TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY REQUIRED. 16 IN COMPARISON, WE CAN CONSERVATIVELY ESTIMATE 17 THAT SUPPORT FOR A PARCEL TAX OF ONE-AND-A-HALF CENTS PER 18 SQUARE FOOT IS NOT BELOW 62 PERCENT, THOUGH IT COULD BE 19 POTENTIALLY WELL BELOW THE TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY REQUIRED. 20 THE SURVEY ALSO TESTED THE INFLUENCE OF DURATION 21 ON VOTER SUPPORT. AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SLOPE OF THIS 22 GRAPH THAT THESE WERE HIGHLY SENSITIVE TO THE DURATION OF 23 THE MEASURE. 24 FOR A MEASURE LASTING 18 YEARS, 48 PERCENT OF 25 VOTERS INDICATED SUPPORT. THAT'S ADDING TOGETHER THE RED, MAY 27, 2010 35 1 "PROBABLY YES" AND THE GREEN "DEFINITELY YES" RESPONSES. 2 FOR A MEASURE LASTING 11 YEARS, 52 PERCENT 3 SUPPORT. AND FOR A MEASURE LASTING FOUR YEARS, 71 PERCENT 4 SUPPORT. 5 WE FOUND THAT VOTER PRIORITIES ARE CLOSELY 6 ALIGNED WITH THE FUNDING NEEDS OF CITY COLLEGE. VOTERS 7 WERE READ A LIST OF 16 PROGRAMS AND SERVICES TO BE FUNDED. 8 AND FOR EACH, THEY WERE ASKED IF THEY WOULD BE MORE OR 9 LESS LIKELY TO SUPPORT A MEASURE. 10 NOW HERE WE HAVE RECODED AND AVERAGED THE 11 RESPONSES. SUCH THAT THE HIGHER THE SCORE, THE MORE 12 INFLUENTIAL THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM OR SERVICE IS ON 13 SUPPORT FOR A PARCEL TAX MEASURE. 14 WE HAVE THEN ORDERED THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES 15 FROM "MOST INFLUENTIAL" TO "LEAST INFLUENTIAL" WHICH 16 CONTINUE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. 17 SHOWN HERE ARE THE TEN PROGRAMS AND SERVICES 18 THAT WERE MOST INFLUENTIAL ON VOTER SUPPORT. WITH THE TOP 19 PERFORMERS RANGING FROM MAINTAINING MATH, SCIENCE, 20 WRITING, AND CORE ACADEMICS TO PROVIDING DISABLED STUDENTS 21 WITH EQUAL ACCESS TO COLLEGE CLASSES AND PROGRAMS. 22 IN RESPONSE TO THOSE TOP PERFORMERS, THREE OUT 23 OF FOUR VOTERS WERE MORE LIKELY TO SUPPORT A MEASURE. 24 SHOWN HERE ARE THE SIX PROGRAMS AND SERVICES 25 THAT WERE RELATIVELY LESS INFLUENTIAL ON SUPPORT FOR A MAY 27, 2010 36 1 MEASURE. AT THE SAME TIME THE ONE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE 2 CHART MADE MORE THAN HALF OF VOTERS MORE UNLIKELY TO 3 SUPPORT A MEASURE. THAT WOULD BE PROGRAMS TO FOSTER 4 CAMPUS DIVERSITY AND SUPPORT UNDERREPRESENTED STUDENTS. 5 OVERALL, EACH OF THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES 6 TESTED QUITE POSITIVELY, BUT THOSE ON THE PREVIOUS SIDE 7 RESONATED TO A GREATER EXTENT OF VOTERS. 8 VOTERS ALSO WERE READ 11 ARGUMENTS IN SUPPORT OF 9 A MEASURE AND WERE ASKED IF THEY WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO 10 VOTE "YES." AGAIN, WE'VE RECODED AND CALCULATED MEAN 11 SCORES HERE. WITH THE HIGHER THE SCORE, THE MORE LIKELY 12 VOTERS ARE TO SUPPORT THE MEASURE AFTER HEARING THAT 13 PARTICULAR STATEMENT. 14 VOTERS WERE MOST INFLUENCED BY INFORMATION THAT 15 ALL FUNDS WILL STAY LOCAL. ALSO THAT THE MEASURE IS 16 NEEDED SO ALL STUDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO QUALITY EDUCATION, 17 INCLUDING LOW INCOME AND UNDERREPRESENTED STUDENTS. ALSO 18 THAT NO MONEY WOULD BE USED FOR ADMINISTRATOR SALARIES. 19 THE INCREASE AND DEMAND FOR COMMUNITY COLLEGE CLASSES AND 20 THE THOUSANDS WHO WERE WAIT LISTED THIS YEAR. 21 AND FINALLY, THAT CITY COLLEGE IS THE ONLY 22 ALTERNATIVE FOR MANY STUDENTS GIVEN THAT UNIVERSITY OF 23 CALIFORNIA AND CALIFORNIA STATE ARE INCREASING TUITION AND 24 TURNING STUDENTS AWAY. IN RESPONSE TO THESE, CLOSE TO 25 THREE OUT OF FOUR VOTERS WERE MORE LIKELY TO VOTE "YES." MAY 27, 2010 37 1 VOTERS ALSO HEARD POTENTIAL OPPOSITION MESSAGES, 2 AND THEY WERE ASKED IF EACH MADE THEM LIKELY TO VOTE "NO." 3 TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THE CHART, ON A POSITIVE 4 NOTE, THE STATEMENT THAT THE DISTRICT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 5 THE CURRENT BUDGET PROBLEMS WAS THE LEAST INFLUENTIAL 6 ARGUMENT. AND IN RESPONSE, ONLY ONE-THIRD OF THE VOTERS 7 WERE MORE LIKELY TO VOTE "NO." PREDOMINATELY THOSE VOTERS 8 WHO WERE "NO" VOTES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SURVEY. 9 AFTER HEARING MORE INFORMATION ON THE MEASURE, 10 VOTERS WERE ONCE AGAIN READ A SUMMARY OF THE PARCEL TAX 11 AND ASKED IF THEY WOULD VOTE "YES" OR "NO." 12 FOR THE $95 PARCEL TAX, SUPPORT FINISHED AT 13 65 PERCENT. IN COMPARISON, 30 PERCENT OF VOTERS WERE 14 OPPOSED. AND THE REMAINING FIVE PERCENT WERE UNDECIDED. 15 FOR A TWO-AND-A-HALF CENT PER SQUARE FOOT PARCEL 16 TAX, SUPPORT WAS AT 67 PERCENT. 27 PERCENT OPPOSED AND 17 SIX UNDECIDED. 18 ALTHOUGH THIS REPRESENTS A 6 POINT INCREASE FOR 19 EACH VERSION FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE SURVEY WITH THE 20 MARGIN OF ERROR OF SUPPORT HERE COULD FALL BELOW THE 21 TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY REQUIRED. 22 IN LINE WITH THE CURRENT ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, 23 THE SURVEY INDICATES THAT THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE MEASURE 24 IS KEY, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THAT THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES 25 THAT COULD BE FUNDED RESINATED SO STRONGLY WITH VOTERS AS MAY 27, 2010 38 1 WELL AS THOSE STATEMENTS IN SUPPORT. 2 OVERALL, THE RESULTS INDICATE POTENTIAL SUPPORT 3 FOR A PARCEL TAX AMONG THE LIKELY NOVEMBER 2010 VOTERS. 4 AND WE RECOMMEND THAT THE DISTRICT MOVE FORWARD WITH 5 PLACING A MEASURE ON THE BALLOT. 6 OUR FIRM SUGGESTED A PARCEL TAX BELOW $50 FOR 7 FOUR YEARS TO PRESERVE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES. GIVEN 8 VOTERS SENSITIVITY TO THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE MEASURE, A 9 LOWER TAX RATE WITHIN THIS RANGE WOULD STRENGTHEN SUPPORT. 10 AGAIN, WE SAW 71 PERCENT SUPPORT FOR A PARCEL 11 TAX OF $49, WHICH COULD BE AS LOW AS 66 PERCENT. JUST AT 12 THE CUSP OF THE TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY. FURTHER, 71 PERCENT 13 OF VOTERS INDICATED SUPPORT FOR A PARCEL TAX, LASTING FOUR 14 YEARS. 15 THE SURVEY FOUND INADEQUATE SUPPORT FOR A PARCEL 16 TAX MEASURE BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOT OF TOTAL BUILDING 17 AREA. IN THIS CASE, SUPPORT WAS AT 67 PERCENT FOR THE 18 LOWEST TESTED RATE OF ONE-AND-A-HALF CENTS PER SQUARE 19 FOOT, WHICH COULD BE AS LOW AS 62 PERCENT AMONG ALL LIKELY 20 NOVEMBER VOTERS. WE ESTIMATE THAT A SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER 21 TAX RATE PER SQUARE FOOT OF TOTAL BUILDING AREA WOULD BE 22 REQUIRED TO GARNER SUFFICIENT VOTER SUPPORT. 23 SHOULD THE DISTRICT MOVE FORWARD WITH PLACING A 24 MEASURE ON THE BALLOT, SUBSTANTIAL COMMUNICATIONS ARE 25 NEEDED TO MAXIMIZE SUCCESS BY BOTH A PRE-ELECTORIAL PHASE MAY 27, 2010 39 1 AND ALSO BY AN INDEPENDENT CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE AFTER THE 2 MEASURE HAS BEEN PLACED ON THE BALLOT. 3 ADDITIONALLY, BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS VOTER 4 CONCERNS OVER THE MANAGEMENT OF THE FUNDS AND THE CRITICAL 5 NEED FOR THE MEASURE GIVEN THE ECONOMIC CRISIS. 6 THE BALLOT QUESTION SHOULD FEATURE THE PROGRAMS 7 AND SERVICES. THEY ARE OF HIGHEST PRIORITY TO VOTERS IN 8 THE DISTRICT. 9 HERE THEY ARE PRESENTED WORD FOR WORD AS THEY 10 WERE READ IN A SURVEY. RANGING FROM MAINTAINING CORE 11 ACADEMICS, AGAIN, TO MAINTAINING PROGRAMS TO PROVIDE 12 DISABLED STUDENTS WITH EQUAL ACCESS. 13 AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN SHOULD ALSO EMPHASIZE 14 THESE KEY SUPPORTING MESSAGES, WHICH SPEAK TO BOTH THE 15 ACCOUNTABILITY AND PROPER MANAGEMENT OF FUNDS, AS WELL AS 16 THE ABILITY OF THE MEASURE TO GENERATE CRITICALLY NEEDED 17 FUNDS FOR PROGRAMS AND SERVICES. 18 HERE AS WELL, WE'VE PRESENTED THESE ARGUMENTS 19 WORD FOR WORD AS THEY WERE READ TO VOTERS IN THE SURVEY. 20 THIS BRINGS US THROUGH THE SUMMARY OF THE RESULTS OF THE 21 STUDY. WE ARE HAPPY TO RETURN TO ANY SECTIONS AND DISCUSS 22 THEM IN GREATER DETAIL. 23 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 24 ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? 25 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES. MAY 27, 2010 40 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO. 2 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: I THINK A PROBLEM WITH 3 THE POLL IS THAT IT DIDN'T CONNECT THE DOLLAR PER SQUARE 4 FOOT NUMBER WITH A NUMBER FOR WHAT THE TAX MIGHT BE 5 BECAUSE A DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT IS LIKELY TO RESULT IN A 6 SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER TAX FIGURE FOR MOST OF THE RESIDENTS 7 OF THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE PROGRESSIVE NATURE OF IT WHERE 8 LARGE FACILITIES WOULD BE PAYING MORE DOLLARS THAN 9 HOMEOWNERS WOULD. THIS POLL REALLY DIDN'T REFLECT THAT. 10 SO I AM REALLY RELUCTANT TO JUST DISCARD THAT 11 OPTION OF A PROGRESSIVE TAX. I STILL DON'T THINK IT IS 12 FAIR THAT A HOMEOWNER SHOULD PAY THE SAME AMOUNT AS THE 13 OWNER OF THE BANK OF AMERICA BUILDING. THERE'S A HOUSE IN 14 THE EXCELSIOR IS WORTH FAR LESS THAN THE BANK OF AMERICA 15 BUILDING AND IT'S JUST NOT FAIR. 16 SO I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN THIS POLL THAT 17 DEFINITIVELY RULES THAT OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT 18 CONNECTED. THERE WAS NO NUMBER GIVEN TO THE DOLLAR PER 19 SQUARE FOOT. 20 SO I MEAN IF YOU TOLD THE VOTERS THAT THIS 21 DOLLAR AND A HALF PER SQUARE FOOT IS GOING TO BE 20 BUCKS 22 OR WHATEVER. I MEAN, WOULD YOU RATHER PAY $20 OR WOULD 23 YOU RATHER PAY 50 BUCKS. THEY WILL TAKE THE 20. I THINK 24 WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT. 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND? MAY 27, 2010 41 1 MR. GODBE: YEAH, CERTAINLY. I ACTUALLY WOULD 2 AGREE WITH TRUSTEE RIZZO THAT IF PEOPLE KNEW HOW MUCH IT 3 COST THEM, THEIR RESPONSES MIGHT BE DIFFERENT. THE 4 CHALLENGE BECOMES IN THE METHOD OF TAXATION IS A PER 5 SQUARE FOOT. HOW DO YOU COMMUNICATE THAT TO SOME 200,000 6 VOTERS, SO IT'S UP TO EACH ONE OF THEM TO KNOW HOW MUCH 7 THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE IS. WE ONLY HAVE 75 WORDS IN THE 8 BALLOT QUESTION AND TO EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT CONTEXT, HOW 9 TO DO THAT MATH IS CHALLENGING. AND THAT'S WHAT THE 10 SURVEY SHOWED. 11 SO THAT BECOMES A COMMUNICATIONS ISSUE FOR THE 12 CAMPAIGN. YOU ARE STILL GOING TO WIND UP WITH A BALLOT 13 QUESTION THAT IS MUCH LIKE WHAT WE HAVE HERE, AND THERE IS 14 GOING TO BE CONFUSION. 15 NOW I WOULD CERTAINLY DEFER TO MY ESTEEM 16 COLLEAGUES WHO MANAGE CAMPAIGNS FOR TAX MEASURES TO SEE 17 HOW THEY MIGHT ADDRESS THAT, BUT I THINK THAT IS A 18 POTENTIAL PROBLEM. 19 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: COULDN'T YOU SAY THE 20 AVERAGE TAXPAYER WOULD PAY "X" DOLLARS. 21 MR. GODBE: YOU COULD IN A COMMUNICATIONS 22 EFFORT. SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DIRECT MAIL OR WE ARE 23 TALKING ABOUT EARNED MEDIA, AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 24 BUT YOU PROBABLY COULDN'T SAY THAT ON A BALLOT QUESTION 25 BECAUSE YOU ARE LIMITED TO 75 WORDS. AND YOU WOULDN'T MAY 27, 2010 42 1 WANT TO SPEND YOUR PRECIOUS 75 WORDS DESCRIBING HOW TO 2 CALCULATE A TAX. WE WOULD WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE 3 GOING TO GET FOR THE TAX. 4 IF WE WIND UP TALKING ALL ABOUT HOW YOU 5 CALCULATE THE TAX, WE ARE REINFORCING THAT IT IS A TAX, 6 NOT THE GOOD THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SPEND IT ON. SO THAT 7 IS A CHALLENGE. 8 AND IF EVERYBODY HAD THAT PERFECT KNOWLEDGE, I 9 AGREE THE NUMBERS WOULD BE HIGHER. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, I COUNT SIX WORDS 11 OUT OF THAT 75 WORDS. THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER WILL PAY 20 12 BUCKS. THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT OF VERBIAGE OUT OF 13 THAT 75. 14 MR. GODBE: IT IS AN ENTIRE BULLET. IT IS THE 15 SAME AS CORE ACADEMICS, MATH, SCIENCE, READING, WRITING. 16 AND I THINK THAT YOU NEED -- BECAUSE WE ARE AT A 17 MARGINAL LEVEL HERE, THIS IS NOT A SLAM DUNK. WE NEED 18 EVERY BIT WE CAN GET OUT OF OUR BALLOT QUESTION 19 PERFORMANCE. 20 AND I THINK FOCUSSING ON HOW TO FIGURE OUT THE 21 TAX IS THE WRONG THING TO BE DOING. I THINK THAT'S THE 22 JOB OF THE CAMPAIGN WHERE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. 23 I THINK THAT THE OTHER POINT TO MAKE IS THE 24 QUESTION ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HOUSE IN THE 25 EXCELSIOR AND THE BANK OF AMERICA BUILDING, AND THERE'S NO MAY 27, 2010 43 1 QUESTION THAT THOSE ARE WILDLY DIFFERENT TAX BILLS AND 2 ASSESSED EVALUATION. 3 AND IF WE LOOK AT ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT 4 DEALT WITH THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE, IT'S ACTUALLY -- HERE IT 5 IS: 6 "HIGH RISE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND LARGE 7 CORPORATIONS AND BUSINESSES WILL PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE 8 BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THEIR PROPERTY." 9 NOW YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT PROGRESSIVE TAXATION 10 BASED ON WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE TO DO WILDLY BETTER 11 BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND MY HOUSE IN THE EXCELSIOR 12 IS NOT WORTH BANK OF AMERICA. BUT WE ONLY GOT 66 PERCENT 13 OF THE VOTERS TO BE MORE LIKELY TO SUPPORT THE PROGRESSIVE 14 PER SQUARE FOOT TAX BASED ON THAT. 15 SO WE DO HAVE SOME EVIDENCE THEN EVEN KNOWING 16 THAT THE LARGE CORPORATIONS AND LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE 17 GOING TO PAY A VERY DISPROPORTIONATE -- NOT 18 DISPROPORTIONATE -- A VERY MUCH LARGER SHARE, 19 PROPORTIONATE SHARE IN FACT STILL DOESN'T GET US ABOVE THE 20 TWO-THIRDS LEVEL WITH AN ERROR RATE CUSHION. IT'S 66 21 PERCENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. WE ARE STILL AT 61 22 PERCENT. SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF 23 THE COMMUNICATIONS WITHOUT A DOUBT. 24 IF IT WERE A PERFECT WORLD, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO 25 GET THERE. BUT I DON'T THINK WE ARE IN A PERFECT WORLD MAY 27, 2010 44 1 FOR BALLOT MEASURES, PARTICULARLY IN A GUBERNATORIAL 2 ELECTION WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT GOING ON AT THE 3 TOP. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: TRUSTEE NGO, DID YOU HAVE 5 ANY -- 6 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH, THE NUMBER THAT WE ARE AT 7 NOW IS AT $49 IN THE FOUR YEARS. YOU SAID, "THERE WERE 71 8 PERCENT." 9 DR. DAVIDSON: YES. 10 TRUSTEE NGO: I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A 11 CORRESPONDING CHART THAT YOU HAVE HERE FOR THE 95 PER 12 PARCEL -- FOR THE 49 PER PARCEL. I DIDN'T SEE IT IN 13 THE -- WHAT PAGE IS IT ON? 14 OH, THERE IT IS. 15 DR. DAVIDSON: YES. 16 TRUSTEE NGO: SO IT'S 71. DO YOU HAVE THOSE 17 NUMBERS BREAKING DOWN BY THE SOMEWHAT LIKELY OPPOSED 18 VERSUS -- 19 DR. DAVIDSON: I DO. 20 TRUSTEE NGO: -- UNDECIDED? 21 ANY YOU CAN TURN THE LIGHTS BACK ON. 22 DR. DAVIDSON: THAT'S AN AREA. 23 TRUSTEE NGO: I WANT TO SEE WHO I AM TALKING TO. 24 DR. DAVIDSON: I APPRECIATE THAT. 25 THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE DID SEE SOME MAY 27, 2010 45 1 DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE FLAT DOLLAR AMOUNT PER PARCEL AND 2 THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT. 3 AT $49, 71 PERCENT OF VOTERS INDICATED THAT THEY 4 WOULD VOTE "YES." AT THAT POINT IN THE SURVEY, WE ASKED 5 THEM TO CLARIFY THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE MEASURE. 53 PERCENT 6 DEFINITELY "YES" AND 18 PERCENT "PROBABLY YES." BUT ALL 7 OF THOSE VOTERS INITIALLY SAID "YES" AT THE OUTSET BEFORE 8 WE FORCED THEM INTO DECIDING THEIR SUPPORT LEVEL. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: WHAT WERE THE UNDECIDEDS? 10 DR. DAVIDSON: THOSE -- 11 TRUSTEE NGO: I MEAN -- NOT UNDECIDEDS. IF THEY 12 ARE "YES," THERE ARE NO "UNDECIDEDS," I GUESS. BUT IS 13 THERE ANY OTHER GRADATION WITHIN THAT 71 PERCENT. 14 DR. DAVIDSON: LET ME GIVE UP THE "NOS" AND THE 15 "UNDECIDEDS" AS WELL AS THOSE WITH THE "YES" PERCENTAGES. 16 "PROBABLY NO" WERE SIX PERCENT. "DEFINITELY NO" 17 16 PERCENT. AND IN THIS CASE, JUST SIX PERCENT OF VOTERS 18 "UNDECIDED." 19 FOR THE PRICE FOR ONE-AND-A-HALF CENTS PER 20 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH WOULD GENERATE A COMPARABLE AMOUNT OF 21 FUNDING FOR CITY COLLEGE, RATHER THAN 53 PERCENT 22 "DEFINITELY YES." WE SAW 43 PERCENT "DEFINITELY YES." 23 24 PERCENT, "PROBABLY YES." 8 PERCENT, "PROBABLY NO." 24 SIX PERCENT, "DEFINITELY NO." THE "UNDECIDEDS" IS JUST A 25 HAIR HIGHER AT NINE PERCENT. MAY 27, 2010 46 1 TRUSTEE NGO: SO I MEAN HOW WOULD YOU 2 CHARACTERIZE THE PROBABLYS AS OPPOSED TO THE VERY FIRM 3 YESES. RIGHT, YOU HAVE 18 "PROBABLY YES." AND YOU HAVE 4 SIX PERCENT, "PROBABLY NO" FOR THE 71 -- I MEAN FOR THE 5 $49, FOUR-YEAR PROPOSAL. 6 I MEAN ARE THEY REALLY THAT WHAT THEY SAY THEY 7 ARE? ARE THEY SOMEWHAT, AND THEREFORE, MOVABLE BASED ON 8 HOW MUCH THEY CAN BE -- THEY COULD GET MAIL OR TV OR 9 WHATEVER RELATIVE TO THE HARD NOS TO THE HARD YESES. I 10 MEAN HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THOSE FOLKS? 11 DR. DAVIDSON: SO SINCE THEY ALL HAVE SAID "YES" 12 AT THE OUTSET, IT'S SAFE TO RULE THOSE TOGETHER AND CREATE 13 AN OVERALL SUMMARY OF SUPPORT. 14 BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU ARE CORRECT. MOST OF 15 YOUR MOVEMENT IS LIKELY TO COME FROM YOUR "PROBABLY YES" 16 VOTERS AND TO A LESSER EXTENT YOUR "PROBABLY NOS." 17 I WILL LET BRYAN SPEAK TO KEEPING THE PROBABLY 18 YESES AND WHAT THAT TAKES. 19 MR. GODBE: WHAT IT REALLY SAYS IS THAT THE 20 DEFINITE "YESES" ARE OURS. THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE 21 BETWEEN NOW AND ELECTION DAY WITH OR WITHOUT A CAMPAIGN. 22 HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR THE "PROBABLY 23 YESES." OUR RULE OF THUMB IN DOING OVER 120 TAX MEASURES 24 IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, IS THAT IF YOU DON'T DO A CAMPAIGN, 25 YOU WILL LOSE HALF OF THE "PROBABLY YESES." MAY 27, 2010 47 1 SO WE GO FROM A NARROW VICTORY WITHOUT A MARGIN 2 OF ERROR TO A CLEAR LOSS. THERE HAS TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL 3 CAMPAIGN AS WE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO 4 HOLD -- AND THE JOB OF THAT CAMPAIGN IS REALLY TO HOLD 5 THOSE 18 PERCENT FOR THE $49 AND THOSE 24 PERCENT FOR THE 6 1.5 CENTS. 7 THERE'S MORE PEOPLE IN THE SECOND CATEGORY. 8 THAT MEANS IT'S A BIT HARDER JOB. AND WITH ERROR RATES, 9 WHICH THAT LEVEL WILL GO UP SUBSTANTIALLY AS WELL, IT 10 BECOMES A BIT OF A CHALLENGE. AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE 11 TAKING A SLIGHTLY MORE CONSERVATIVE ROLE AND SAYING WE 12 NEED TO LOOK AT THE ERROR RATES. AND AT ONE AND A HALF 13 CENTS WE DON'T GET IN THIS CHART A CUSHION. WE JUST GET 14 THE CUSHION OF THE ERROR RATE WITH THE MARGIN OF ERROR. 15 AND BECAUSE THERE IS A SMALLER PERCENTAGE OF "PROBABLE 16 YESES" FOR THE FLAT RATE, THAT JUST MAKES THE JOB OF THE 17 CAMPAIGN THAT MUCH EASIER. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: WELL, YEAH, I'M ASKING BECAUSE THE 19 THRESHOLD IS HIGH. 20 MR. GODBE: RIGHT. 21 TRUSTEE NGO: AND THEY JUST HAVE TO FLIP 3.2 22 PERCENT OF THE -- 23 MR. GODBE: THAT'S RIGHT. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: -- "PROBABLY YESES." 25 MR. GODBE: THAT'S RIGHT. MAY 27, 2010 48 1 TRUSTEE NGO: THAT'S IT. AND IT'S OVER. 2 MR. GODBE: (INAUDIBLE). 3 TRUSTEE NGO: IT'S DONE, RIGHT? 4 MR. GODBE: THAT'S RIGHT. 33.4 PERCENT WINS. 5 TRUSTEE NGO: CORRECT. SO THEY HAVE TO FLIP 3.2 6 PERCENT OF THE 18 PERCENT "PROBABLY YESES." AND THAT'S 7 WITH THE $49, FOUR-YEAR PROPOSAL. 8 MR. GODBE: RIGHT. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY -- YOU ALSO 10 STILL HAVE A MARGIN OF ERROR, SO WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S UP 11 OR DOWN. 12 DR. DAVIDSON: YES. 13 TRUSTEE NGO: OBVIOUSLY, THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT 14 THIS IS THE MEDIAN, AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. 15 AND THAT'S -- I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NORMAL OR 16 NOT. IN YOUR WORK, HAVE YOU COME ACROSS HIGHER NUMBERS? 17 MR. GODBE: WE'VE COME ACROSS HIGHER NUMBERS. 18 YOU DON'T SEE HIGH 70'S AND HIGH 80'S VERY OFTEN IN A 19 PARCEL TAX. I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, GETTING 20 66.7 PERCENT IS A LANDSLIDE VICTORY IN VIRTUALLY ANY OTHER 21 ELECTION. 22 TRUSTEE NGO: RIGHT. 23 MR. GODBE: HERE IT IS A NARROW VICTORY. SO WE 24 DON'T SEE OVERWHELMING VICTORIES IN OUR POLLING NUMBERS. 25 IF WE GET TO THE 71 OR 72 PERCENT LEVEL, WE FEEL PRETTY MAY 27, 2010 49 1 COMFORTABLE THAT GIVEN A CAMPAIGN -- AND I CERTAINLY HAVE 2 TREMENDOUS FAITH IN MICHAEL AND CHARLES IN THEIR ABILITY 3 TO EXECUTE THAT. 4 I THINK THAT WE ARE BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE 5 CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE OF THAT TEARING INTO MINORITY AND 6 SAYING THAT WITH A LARGE VOTER POPULATION LIKE YOU HAVE IN 7 THE CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO, YOU'VE GOT TO RUN A 8 SUBSTANTIAL CAMPAIGN. AND IT'S REALLY EASIER FOR THE 9 OPPOSITION TO COME AND TAKE AWAY ONE OR TWO PERCENT JUST 10 BY CONFUSING THEM AND SCARING THEM. 11 TRUSTEE NGO: JUST 3.2 PERCENT. 12 MR. GODBE: AND SAYING OUTRAGEOUS THINGS, WHICH 13 THEY MIGHT DO. 14 TRUSTEE NGO: RIGHT. WELL, THIS IS MY NEXT 15 QUESTION, WHICH IS THE NUMBERS YOU HAVE HERE FOR ARGUMENTS 16 IN SUPPORT AND ARGUMENTS IN OPPOSITION, I DON'T KNOW -- I 17 THINK IT WOULD HELP ME IF -- HAVE YOU ASSIGNED -- ARE 18 THERE COEFFICIENTS? 19 CAN YOU MAKE THEM COEFFICIENTS? 20 I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET 21 THE 1.2 PERCENT VERSUS THE .7 PERCENT. 22 DR. DAVIDSON: SURE. 23 TRUSTEE NGO: IN OTHER WORDS, ZERO PERCENT TO NO 24 EFFECT TO 1 PERCENT SOMEWHAT MORE LIKELY. 25 DR. DAVIDSON: YES. MAY 27, 2010 50 1 TRUSTEE NGO: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? 2 DR. DAVIDSON: AS A RULE OF THUMB, WHAT WE LOOK 3 FOR IS A MEAN SCORE THAT REACHES 1.0 OR ABOVE, WHICH 4 INDICATES THAT THE AVERAGE VOTER WOULD BE SOMEWHAT MORE 5 LIKELY TO SUPPORT A MEASURE THAT WAS USED TO FUND THAT 6 PARTICULAR PROGRAM OR SERVICE. 7 NOW TO PUT THESE MEAN SCORES IN PERSPECTIVE, 8 THOSE WITH A MEAN SCORE BETWEEN 1.0 AND 1.1, 75 PERCENT OF 9 VOTERS INDICATE THAT THEY WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO SUPPORT 10 A MEASURE THAT WOULD FUND THOSE TOP PERFORMING PROGRAMS 11 AND SERVICES. 12 GOING ONTO THIS NEXT CHART, FOR THE MEAN SCORE 13 .5, 59 PERCENT OF VOTERS WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO SUPPORT A 14 MEASURE THAT FUNDED THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM. 15 SO WE ARE SEEING ROUGHLY A 20 POINT DIFFERENCE 16 BETWEEN YOUR HIGH MEANS SCORE AND YOUR LOW MEANS SCORE. 17 FOR ARGUMENTS SIMILARLY, YOUR TOP PERFORMERS 18 SWAYED THREE OUT OF FOUR VOTERS MAKING THEM MORE LIKELY TO 19 SUPPORT THE MEASURE. 20 ALSO HERE, WE TYPICALLY LOOK FOR MEAN SCORES 21 THAT REACH 1.0. AND ALL, BUT ONE OF YOURS, MET THAT MARK. 22 SO THESE ARE HIGH SCORES FOR THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES AND 23 ALSO FOR THE ARGUMENTS IN SUPPORT OF THE MEASURE. THOSE 24 ARE QUITE STRONG. AND AMONG SOME OF OUR TOP PERFORMERS, 25 PARTICULARLY AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE LEVEL. SO IT'S -- MAY 27, 2010 51 1 TRUSTEE NGO: I'M SORRY. WERE YOU DONE? 2 DR. DAVIDSON: I WAS GOING TO SAY, IT'S NOT THAT 3 THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES AREN'T RESONATING WITH VOTERS, 4 IT'S REALLY THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE MEASURE WHICH IS KEY. 5 TRUSTEE NGO: I UNDERSTAND. SO THE SAME 6 QUESTION IS FOR THE OPPOSITE -- 7 DR. DAVIDSON: YES. 8 TRUSTEE NGO: -- WHICH IS THE OPPOSING 9 ARGUMENTS. AND IF THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A CAMPAIGN TO REALLY 10 KILL THIS THING, AND THEY ONLY NEED TO FLIP 3.2 PERCENT, I 11 WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE REVERSE THE SAME WAY. 12 THE .8 PERCENT OR 0.8 FOR THE INDICTMENT OF THE 13 ADMINISTRATORS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS? 14 DR. DAVIDSON: ABSOLUTELY. 15 TRUSTEE NGO: THE IMPACT OF THAT ON A VOTER. 16 DR. DAVIDSON: WE FOUND THAT EACH OF THE 17 POTENTIAL OPPOSITION MESSAGES COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO 18 SUPPORT BECAUSE THEY MADE MORE THAN ONE-THIRD OF VOTERS 19 MORE LIKELY TO OPPOSE THE MEASURE. 20 FOR THE MEANS SCORE OF .8, THAT CORRESPONDS TO 21 HALF OF VOTERS BEING MORE LIKELY TO VOTE "NO." 22 DOWN TO THE MEANS SCORE OF .5, WHICH WAS 23 35 PERCENT OF VOTERS BEING MORE LIKELY TO VOTE "NO." 24 MR. GODBE: IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER IN ALL 25 OF THESE ITEMS, THE RANKINGS AREN'T COEFFICIENTS. THEY MAY 27, 2010 52 1 ARE MEAN SCORES, WHICH GIVES YOU A WAY TO LOOK AT THEM AND 2 SEE HOW THEY COMPARE TO EACH OTHER. YOU'VE GOT NUMBERS ON 3 BOTH SIDES THAT ARE FAR IN ADVANCE OF THE 66.7 PERCENT ON 4 THE POSITIVE SIDE OR THE 33.4 PERCENT ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE 5 TO DEFEAT THE MEASURE. 6 WHAT YOU ARE GETTING AN IDEA IS THE INTENSITY. 7 IF YOUR WORLD WAS A VACUUM AND JUST ONE ISSUE THAT WE'VE 8 TESTED, EITHER PRO OR CON, WOULD BE THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN, 9 THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO HAPPEN. THAT'S NOT 10 THE REAL WORLD. THE REAL WORLD IS THROWING ALL OF THESE 11 THINGS TOGETHER, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE. AND SO THE 12 IMPACT, THE REAL IMPACT OF ALL OF THESE NEGATIVES IS NOT 13 IN THIS CHART. IT'S IN THIS CHART (INDICATING). 14 DR. DAVIDSON: AND IT'S -- 15 MR. GODBE: BECAUSE THIS IS WEIGHING THOSE 16 NEGATIVES AGAINST ALL OF THE POSITIVES AND THE THINGS WE 17 ARE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY ON AND NOT REALLY CLARITY ON 18 HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO BE. EVEN THOUGH THIS QUESTION SAYS 19 IT'S GOING TO BE 95 OR IT'S GOING TO BE 2.5 PERCENT, WE'VE 20 STILL RAISED THOSE OTHER TAX RATES. SO THOSE ARE STILL 21 SORT OF RATTLING AROUND IN THEIR BRAIN. 22 JUST LIKE THEY MIGHT BE ON ELECTION DAY WHEN 23 WE'VE HAD A GAME OF TELEPHONE. WE'LL, OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE 24 ESTABLISHED A TAX RATE, BUT YOU KNOW ONE PERSON THINKS 25 IT'S "X" AND ONE PERSON THINKS IT'S "X" PLUS TWO AND "X" MAY 27, 2010 53 1 PLUS THREE, AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS SOME UNCERTAINTY IN 2 THAT. 3 SO THIS IS THE BETTER ESTIMATION OF WHAT 4 ACTUALLY HAPPENS AFTER YOU THROW ALL THAT TOGETHER. 5 TRUSTEE NGO: I UNDERSTAND. 6 LAST QUESTION, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT FOR YOU, BUT 7 THE $49, WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY AMOUNT TO IN TERMS OF 8 RESOURCES FOR THE DISTRICT. 9 DR. DAVIDSON: FOR $49, THAT WOULD BE ROUGHLY 10 9.3 MILLION. 11 TRUSTEE NGO: ANNUALLY? 12 DR. DAVIDSON: ANNUALLY, YES. WE PROJECT THAT 13 THAT FOR A PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT 14 BELOW 1 CENT TO GARNER SUFFICIENT VOTER SUPPORT, WHICH 15 WOULD BE 7 MILLION OR LESS IN REVENUE. 16 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY. I'M SORRY ONE LAST 17 QUESTION. 18 DID YOU ASK QUESTIONS -- DID YOU ASK A QUESTION 19 ACCOUNTING FOR OTHER TAX MEASURES ON THE BALLOT THIS FALL? 20 I DON'T KNOW IF WE -- 21 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: NO. 22 TRUSTEE NGO: -- PUT THAT IN THERE OR NOT. 23 MR. GODBE: YES, WE DID. 24 DR. DAVIDSON: THIS IS MORE PRESSING PRIORITIES. 25 MR. GODBE: IT'S THE THIRD ONE FROM THE BOTTOM MAY 27, 2010 54 1 HERE. 2 DR. DAVIDSON: HERE IT'S THE THIRD FROM THE 3 BOTTOM. AND WE OUTLINED THAT OTHER TAX MEASURES WOULD 4 ALSO BE ON THE BALLOT AND THAT THERE ARE MORE PRESSING 5 PRIORITIES THAN COMMUNITY COLLEGE PROGRAMS. THERE IN 6 RESPONSE, I BELIEVE, IT WAS 41 PERCENT OF VOTERS WHO WERE 7 MORE LIKELY TO VOTE "NO." 8 TRUSTEE NGO: THANK YOU. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: I JUST WANTED TO SAY A COUPLE 10 OF THINGS. 11 AND IF I SUMMARIZE WHAT WAS SAID THE OTHER DAY 12 IN THE MEETING, JUST LET ME KNOW THAT I AM SAYING IT 13 WRONG. I DON'T REALLY NEED TO HAVE ANSWERS RIGHT NOW. 14 I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONTINUE 15 LOOKING AT THIS. I'M NOT CERTAIN WE ARE READY YET TO SAY 16 WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO GO ON THE BALLOT, BUT I THINK 17 WE NEED TO AUTHORIZE THE DISTRICT TO MOVE FORWARD AND DO A 18 FURTHER INVESTIGATION. 19 JUST FOLLOWING UP WITH WHAT TRUSTEE NGO SAID, 20 AND AS I SAID THE OTHER DAY, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE 21 COMPETING MEASURES OR WHAT MIGHT BE SEEN AS COMPETING 22 MEASURES. AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE-AND-A-HALF CENT 23 AND THEN SOME OTHERS, IF YOU TAKE REAL SPECIFICS AND YOU 24 HAVE A SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND YOU A CITY, AND MAYBE YOU HAVE 25 THE PARKS, AND THE COLLEGE DISTRICT, AND THEY ALL GET MAY 27, 2010 55 1 ADDED UP, PEOPLE MAY HAVE A HARD TIME SEPARATING THEM. 2 I DO UNDERSTAND FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT 3 VOTERS ARE ABLE TO SEPARATE INSTITUTIONS THAT THEY LIKE 4 FROM ONES THAT THEY DON'T LIKE, AND SO IT'S JUST A CONCERN 5 THAT I HAVE. 6 THE SECOND IS THAT -- AND, ROBYN, YOU ANSWERED 7 THIS THE OTHER DAY. USING THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THAT 8 TENDED TO RESONATE THE BEST WITH THE PEOPLE BEING SURVEYED 9 DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE DISTRICT WOULD BE LIMITED TO 10 SPENDING MONEY ON MATH PROGRAMS AND LIBRARIES. THIS WOULD 11 BE MORE OF A CAMPAIGN STRATEGY, RATHER THAN A LIST OF 12 ITEMS. AND I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT 13 WOULDN'T BE THAT SAME KIND OF RESTRICTION. 14 AND THE THIRD IS I JUST WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN 15 WHEN WE -- IF WE WERE TO VOTE TO PUT THIS ON A BALLOT, 16 IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD BE THE ENTITY OF 17 DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THERE COULD BE ANY PASS THROUGH 18 TO TENANTS. 19 IS THAT CORRECT? 20 OR WOULD SOMEBODY ELSE -- 21 COUNSEL LEE: YOU KNOW, I SPOKE TO THE DEPUTY 22 CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE RENT BOARD. AND THE WAY THIS WOULD 23 WORK IS IT WOULD BE ON THE BALLOT MEASURE ITSELF AS 24 AMENDING, I THINK, THE SAN FRANCISCO ADMINISTRATIVE CODE 25 OR SOME CODE, BUT IT WOULD BE IN THE BALLOT MEASURE ITSELF MAY 27, 2010 56 1 WHEN VOTERS VOTED. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: BUT WHAT WE WOULD VOTE ON 3 WOULD SAY WHETHER OR NOT IT COULD BE PASSED THROUGH -- 4 COUNSEL LEE: OH, YES. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: WE ARE THE ENTITY DOING THAT. 6 COUNSEL LEE: YEAH, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES WOULD 7 INDICATE WHAT WOULD BE ON THE BALLOT, YES. 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: SO ARE THERE ANY -- 9 TRUSTEE NGO: JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT COUNSEL LEE 10 SAID. 11 YOU ARE SAYING THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO 12 WRITE INTO THE PARCEL TAX MEASURE A PROHIBITION ON PASSING 13 IT ONTO TENANTS, RIGHT? 14 AND THAT WOULD BE VOTED ON BY VOTERS. 15 COUNSEL LEE: WELL, NO. YOU'VE GOT TO AUTHORIZE 16 IT SO THE VOTERS COULD VOTE TO PASS IT ON TO THE TENANTS. 17 IF YOU SAY NOTHING, IT DOESN'T GET PASSED ON. 18 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 19 TRUSTEE NGO: I SEE. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. 21 ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? 22 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES. 23 PRESIDENT MARKS: GO AHEAD. AND THEN I WANTED 24 TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING. 25 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, I WOULD JUST POINT MAY 27, 2010 57 1 OUT THAT FOR REFERENCE, PROPOSITION A ON THE JUNE BALLOT 2 THE SCHOOL'S REVENUE MEASURE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S 3 REVENUE MEASURE IS A PROGRESSIVE TAX. IT'S TWO STEPS. 4 THEY HAVE 32/20 FOR SINGLE UNIT HOUSING. AND 16/10 FOR 5 MULTI -- FOR EACH DWELLING UNIT IN MULTI-FAMILY UNITS. 6 THEY ARE NOT TAXING COMMERICIAL AT ALL IN THIS. AND THERE 7 IS NO TENANT PASSTHROUGH IN PROPOSITION A. 8 SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN BEING TOLD CAN'T BE DONE IS 9 BEING DONE BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE WERE HEARING THAT 10 WE HAVE TO PASS IT THROUGH TO TENANTS AND THAT WE HAVE TO 11 HAVE THIS REGRESSIVE TAX, BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS NOT 12 DOING IT THAT WAY, SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT TO MY 13 FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. 14 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. 15 ROBYN, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. 16 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: ROBYN HELMLINGER, WITH 17 SIDLEY AUSTIN. 18 IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, TRUSTEE RIZZO, THE 19 UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT'S TAX IS ACTUALLY NOT BEING DONE 20 AS A TRADITIONAL PARCEL TAX, WHICH IS WHAT THE DISTRICT, 21 THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT IS CONSIDERING. THAT'S 22 ACTUALLY A TAX THAT'S BEING DONE UNDER THE MELLO ROOS 23 COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT STATUTE. 24 SO THE APPLICATION, THE DETERMINATION IS BOUND 25 BY A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THEN WHAT IS BEFORE AND WHAT MAY 27, 2010 58 1 IS BEING CONSIDERED BY THIS DISTRICT. 2 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: I ALSO PROPOSED TO DO 3 DIFFERENT TAX RATES FOR DIFFERENT ZONING AREAS. FOR 4 INSTANCE, C3 DOWNTOWN HIGH RISE DISTRICT WOULD BE A HIGHER 5 TAX RATE THAN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. BUT THAT WAS DISMISSED. 6 THAT IDEA WAS DISMISSED, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE 7 PRESENT THE CODE THAT SAYS WE CAN'T DO THAT. 8 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE 9 HAD, AND I APOLOGIZE IF IT'S NOT BEEN CLEAR, ARE THAT THE 10 STATUTE SAYS THAT -- 11 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WHAT STATUTE IS THAT? 12 AND CAN WE SEE IT? 13 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEND IT 14 TO YOU. 15 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: PLEASE DO. 16 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: IT'S PART OF 50075 OF THE 17 GOVERNMENT CODE. AND IT SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZES, IF YOU 18 LOOK AT I THINK IT'S 500 -- 19 COUNSEL LEE: -- 75.1 I THINK IS -- 20 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: -- 75.1 -- 21 COUNSEL LEE: -- FOR COMMUNITY COLLEGES. 22 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: -- IS FOR THE UNIFIED 23 SCHOOL DISTRICT. 24 COUNSEL LEE: NO, 00 IS FOR -- 50075 IS FOR THE 25 UNIFIED. AND I THINK 50075.1 -- MAY 27, 2010 59 1 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: IS FOR THE COMMUNITY 2 COLLEGE. 3 COUNSEL LEE: -- IS FOR THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. 4 I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE RIGHT NUMBERS. 5 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO 6 SEND IT AROUND TO ALL OF YOU -- 7 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: PLEASE. 8 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: -- TOMORROW. 9 BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT 10 "UNIFORM." AND AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, THERE REALLY -- THERE 11 IS NO -- THERE'S NO CASE LAW THAT INTERPRETS WHAT 12 "UNIFORM" IS. 13 ALL THAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT HISTORICALLY A 14 PARCEL TAX THAT HAS BEEN ENACTED UNDER THOSE PROVISIONS 15 HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY A SET DOLLAR AMOUNT PER PARCEL. 16 NOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DISTRICTS IN THE STATE 17 THAT HAVE KIND OF PUSHED THIS, AND THEY'VE STARTED DOING 18 THESE CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT TYPE OF A PARCEL TAX. AND AS 19 I UNDERSTAND, THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN CHALLENGED. 20 THERE IS A DISTRICT IN THE STATE THAT HAS DONE 21 A -- KIND OF EVEN MORE. THEY'VE DONE A FLAT DOLLAR FOR 22 RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND THEN A CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT FOR 23 COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY. AND THAT WAS 24 CHALLENGED IN COURT. I DON'T THINK WE KNOW -- WE HAVE AN 25 IDEA TO WHERE THAT IS GOING TO COME OUT, BUT I DON'T THINK MAY 27, 2010 60 1 WE KNOW. 2 SO IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, I WOULD NOT TELL 3 YOU YOU'RE PROHIBITED FROM PURSUING THAT. IF THAT'S THE 4 STRUCTURE THAT YOU WANT TO PUT ON THE BALLOT, YOU ARE NOT 5 PROHIBITED FROM PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT. IT MAY BE 6 SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION AS TO WHETHER THAT ULTIMATELY IS 7 A UNIFORM TAX THAT COMPLIES WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THE 8 STATUTE. 9 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: ISN'T IT TRUE THAT 10 THERE'S ALSO NEVER BEEN A COMMUNITY COLLEGE PARCEL TAX 11 THAT HAS BEEN PASSED IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA? 12 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. 13 THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE BALLOT. 14 SO FURTHER QUESTIONS? 15 TRUSTEE NGO: MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY WHAT THE -- 16 IS IT THE MELLO ROOS STATUTE THAT PROP A IS PETITIONING 17 UNDER. THAT IS -- HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ARE 18 DOING IN SUBSTANTIVE TERMS, NOT IN TERMS OF THOSE OTHER 19 ISSUES? 20 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: BACK IN 1990, THE UNIFIED 21 SCHOOL DISTRICT CREATED A COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT, 22 WHICH IS TYPICALLY -- YOU OFTEN SEE IT MORE IN A 23 DEVELOPMENT TYPE OF A SETTING. 24 SO THE UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT CREATED A 25 COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT AND THEN THEY WENT TO THE MAY 27, 2010 61 1 VOTERS AND THEY GOT THE AUTHORIZATION TO IMPOSE A TAX BACK 2 IN 1990 UNDER THE MELLO ROOS STATUTE. THAT TAX IS NOW 3 EXPIRING, AND SO THEY ARE COMING BACK BASICALLY AND ASKING 4 FOR A RE-UP OF THAT TAX. 5 TRUSTEE NGO: SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE COMMUNITY 6 COLLEGE DISTRICT CAN'T DO THAT. WE WOULD HAVE TO GO 7 THROUGH THE PROCEDURAL HOOPS AND ESTABLISH SOME ADDITIONS 8 FIRST. 9 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: THAT'S EXACTLY IT. 10 TRUSTEE NGO: AND THEN APPLY OR PETITION FOR 11 THAT -- 12 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: THAT'S EXACTLY -- 13 TRUSTEE NGO: -- TYPE OF TAX. 14 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT. 15 AND EARLY ON THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT 16 WHETHER THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMUNITY 17 COLLEGE DISTRICT TO CONSIDER IN PART TO ADDRESS TRUSTEE 18 RIZZO'S QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF THE 19 TAX. 20 AND AT THE TIME IT WAS DISMISSED AS SOMETHING 21 THAT THE DISTRICT DID NOT WANT TO CONSIDER BECAUSE THE 22 PROCEEDS OF THAT TYPE OF TAX ARE NOT THE TYPES OF -- YOU 23 REALLY HAVE TO SPEND THEM PRIMARILY ON FACILITIES. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: RIGHT. 25 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: AND THE DISTRICT IS REALLY MAY 27, 2010 62 1 LOOKING TO FUND SALARIES AND PROGRAMS. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: RIGHT. 3 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: AND SO THE USE TO WHICH THE 4 DISTRICT WANTED TO PUT THOSE REVENUES DIDN'T SEEM TO MESH 5 WITH THE CONCEPT OF MELLO ROOS. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: THANK YOU. 7 AND JUST TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ONE BECAUSE 8 I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS 9 IS FASHIONING A MEASURE THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE BOARD 10 AND TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC 11 REPRESENTED HERE ON THIS BOARD. 12 THAT PROVISION YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 50075 AND 13 50075.1, THERE ACTUALLY IS IN LANGUAGE, THERE'S CARVE OUT 14 FOR DISTRICTS, UNIFIED DISTRICTS THAT IS NOT THERE FOR 15 COLLEGE DISTRICTS AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? 16 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. 17 TRUSTEE NGO: SO THE STANDARD IS UNIFORMITY. 18 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: YES. 19 TRUSTEE NGO: WHEREAS IN THE UNIFIED CONTEXT, 20 YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE THAT, AND WITH THE 21 COMMUNITY COLLEGES, YOU DO. 22 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: RIGHT. THE SAME LANGUAGE 23 FOR UNIFORMITY IS IN BOTH COMPONENTS. HOWEVER, THERE ARE 24 ADDITIONAL EXEMPTION PERMISSIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED FOR THE 25 UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT ARE NOT CONTAINED IN THE MAY 27, 2010 63 1 COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICTS. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: RIGHT. 3 AND THE CHALLENGE THEN IN OUR CASE, AND TO 4 ADDRESS TRUSTEE RIZZO'S POINT, IS THAT WE HAVE TO -- IT'S 5 NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE CAN'T FASHION A MEASURE THAT'S 6 CONSISTENT WITH THAT LANGUAGE, THE STANDARD OF UNIFORMITY. 7 IT'S HOW WE DO IT AND WHETHER THERE'S PRECEDENT FOR IT. 8 AND IN FACT YOU ARE SAYING THERE HAS BEEN SOME 9 PRECEDENT, THOUGH IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR WHETHER IT'S VIABLE 10 STILL, RIGHT? 11 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: YES. 12 TRUSTEE NGO: AND MOVING FORWARD WITH A MEASURE 13 LIKE THIS, DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN WE CAN'T FASHION 14 SOMETHING THAT MAY STILL BE VIABLE GIVEN THE LANGUAGE OF 15 THE STATUTE AND WHATEVER CASE LAW IS OUT THERE. 16 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 17 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY. 18 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 19 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: BUT, TRUSTEE NGO, THERE'S 20 ALSO NO PRECEDENT FOR A COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT PUTTING 21 ON A PARCEL TAX. 22 TRUSTEE NGO: ABSOLUTELY. I ACTUALLY -- I AGREE 23 WITH. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T DO IT. 24 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: I MEAN ARE WE GOING TO 25 CHOOSE WHICH? MAY 27, 2010 64 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: NO. NO. NO. TRY NOT TO HAVE 2 A CONVERSATION. 3 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T PICK 4 AND CHOOSE WHICH PRECEDENT WE ARE GOING TO -- 5 TRUSTEE NGO: NO, I AGREE. 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, THIS PRECEDENT IS NO 7 GOOD, BUT THIS ONE WE WILL TAKE. 8 TRUSTEE NGO: RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: I JUST WANT TO STOP YOU FOR A 10 SECOND. I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY WE ARE NOT VOTING 11 WHETHER OR NOT TO PUT THIS ON A BALLOT TODAY. I 12 UNDERSTAND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION 13 ABOUT THE VARIOUS CONCERNS WE HAVE AND TO INFORM THE 14 DISTRICT ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD WANT THEM TO EXPLORE AND BOND 15 COUNSEL AND THE CAMPAIGN CONSULTANTS AND THE PEOPLE 16 ANALYZING PUBLIC OPINION. BUT WE ARE NOT VOTING TO PUT 17 THIS ON THE BALLOT TONIGHT. 18 YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE ANY NUMBER OF MEETINGS TO 19 DISCUSS THIS. WE'VE PUT MEASURES ON THE BALLOT BEFORE 20 WHERE WE'VE HAD VERY, VERY LITTLE TIME TO DISCUSS IT AND 21 THAT CAN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. 22 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, IF WE DON'T DISCUSS 23 IT NOW, THE ONLY TIME TO DISCUSS IT WILL BE IN JULY. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: THAT'S NOT TRUE. THAT'S NOT 25 TRUE. WE CAN HAVE ANY NUMBER OF MEETINGS TO DO IT. MAY 27, 2010 65 1 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL -- 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. AND 3 WE'VE -- 4 TRUSTEE NGO, DO YOU HAVE MORE YOU WANT TO SAY? 5 I WANTED TO GET -- 6 TRUSTEE NGO: I'M JUST CONFUSED -- POINT OF 7 ORDER, I GUESS. IT'S AN S RESOLUTION, RIGHT? 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: YES. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: SO IS THERE -- WHAT IS THE 10 RESOLUTION? 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: PARDON ME? 12 TRUSTEE NGO: THE RESOLVED IS -- 13 MS. SMITH: I WOULD LIKE TO END IT BECAUSE WE'VE 14 GOT COUNSEL OPINION. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: WE HAVE IT. 16 MS. SMITH: I MEAN COUNSEL IS ADVISING ME -- 17 PRESIDENT MARKS: YOU CAN. I SUGGEST YOU DO. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT THERE 19 WASN'T GOING TO BE A VOTE, SO I WASN'T SURE WHAT -- 20 MS. SMITH: SO CAN I -- DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER 21 THAT? 22 TRUSTEE NGO: YES. 23 MS. SMITH: THE PURPOSE IS PRECISELY JUST TO 24 KEEP THE DOOR OPEN. IN OTHER WORDS, BRINGING THE RESULTS 25 OF THE POLL AND HAVING THE CONVERSATION AS TO WHAT WAS MAY 27, 2010 66 1 DONE AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE DISTRICT WANTS TO 2 CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. IT IS NOT MAKING A DECISION TO 3 GO FORWARD OR NOT TO GO FORWARD. IT'S JUST TO CONTINUE TO 4 HAVE THE CONVERSATION. 5 BUT I DO WANT TO -- BOND COUNSEL HAS ADVISED ME 6 THAT ACTUALLY, AND I REALLY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE ROBYN -- 7 WE DON'T NEED TO DO THE 45-DAY ANNOUNCEMENT. WE NEED TO 8 DO A TEN-DAY ANNOUNCEMENT SO THAT STATEMENT IN THERE THAT 9 WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT BY JUNE 10TH IS 10 ACTUALLY INCORRECT. IT'S ONLY A 10-DAY ANNOUNCEMENT. 11 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WHY DID WE THINK IT WAS A 12 45 DAY -- 13 MS. SMITH: WE HAD A DIFFERENT LEGAL OPINION 14 THAT SAID 45 DAYS, BUT NOW WE HAVE DONE RESEARCH OF MORE 15 FIRMS -- AND YOUR COUNSEL NEEDS TO ADVISE YOU. THE VAST 16 MAJORITY OF FIRMS GO WITH TEN DAYS. THERE WAS ONE FIRM 17 THAT CAME TO US IN THE BEGINNING -- 18 I REALLY THINK IT SHOULD BE LEGAL ANSWERING THAT 19 QUESTION NOT ME. BUT CURRENT OPINION IS THAT TEN DAYS IS 20 THE APPROPRIATE STATUTE TO FOLLOW. 21 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, THIS REALLY 22 CONCERNS ME BECAUSE WE WERE ASSURED THAT IT HAD TO BE 45 23 DAYS. 24 MS. SMITH: IT'S RESEARCH ISSUE THAT -- 25 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS AN MAY 27, 2010 67 1 OPINION THOUGH. I MEAN IT EITHER IS OR IT ISN'T. THERE 2 IS A PIECE OF LAW THAT SAYS THIS NUMBER IS "X" OR "Y." 3 MS. SMITH: I ACTUALLY WOULD REALLY PREFER THAT 4 THE COUNSEL ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS 5 AT ALL. 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WHICH -- 7 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: THERE IS A STATUTE AND THE 8 DISTRICT WAS GIVEN SOME MATERIALS AT A CONFERENCE. AND 9 THOSE MATERIALS INDICATED THAT THERE WAS A STATUTE THAT 10 PROVIDED AND REQUIRED A 45-DAY PUBLIC -- A 45-DAY NOTICE 11 PRIOR TO A PUBLIC HEARING TO IMPOSE A PARCEL TAX. 12 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THE STATUTE? 13 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: IT IS -- I WILL GIVE IT. I 14 HAVE IT WRITTEN. IT IS -- 15 TRUSTEE NGO: TO IMPOSE OR ISSUE A MEASURE FOR 16 ONE? 17 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: TO -- 18 TRUSTEE NGO: YOU CAN'T IMPOSE IT. 19 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: NO. NO. I'M SORRY. 20 BASICALLY TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION CALLING AN ELECTION THAT 21 WOULD, IF PASSED, IMPOSE A PARCEL TAX. 22 54954.6 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE. 23 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 24 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: IT IS SYDLEY'S OPINION THAT 25 THAT STATUTE DOES NOT APPLY TO THE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WE MAY 27, 2010 68 1 ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. THE DISTRICT IS LOOKING TO 2 IMPOSE A SPECIAL TAX, NOT A GENERAL TAX. AND WE BELIEVE 3 THAT THERE IS A SPECIFIC EXCEPTION AS WELL IN THERE THAT 4 SAYS THAT IF IT IS GOING TO BE FOR AN ELECTION FOR A TAX 5 THAT IS VOTED ON BY THE VOTERS WITHIN THE AGENCY THAT WILL 6 BE ULTIMATELY BE IMPOSING THE TAX THAT THAT PROVISION DOES 7 NOT APPLY. 8 THEREFORE, IT IS OUR OPINION THAT YOU ARE NOT 9 REQUIRED TO HAVE A 45-DAY NOTICE. WE HAVE NEVER ASKED ANY 10 OF OUR CLIENTS WHO WE HAVE WORKED WITH ON PARCEL TAXES TO 11 HAVE A 45-DAY NOTICE, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM. 12 MS. SMITH: THE INFORMATION WE PRESENTED CAME 13 FROM THE PRESENTATION AT THE LEAGUE FROM COUNSEL AND THAT 14 WAS WHAT WAS HANDED OUT. BUT WHEN WE'VE GONE THROUGH OUR 15 OWN COUNSEL WITH FURTHER RESEARCH AND THEIR EXPERIENCE, 16 THEY'VE ADVISED US DIFFERENTLY. 17 PRESIDENT MARKS: SO HOW WOULD THIS NEED TO BE 18 AMENDED THEN, THE RESOLVED. 19 MS. SMITH: JUST CHANGE THE DATE. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: THE DATE OF JUNE 10TH? 21 MS. SMITH: RON IS ADVISING STOPPING AFTER A 22 CERTAIN POINT. 23 COUNSEL LEE: YOU CAN JUST STOP AT 24 "AUTHORIZATION BE HEREBY GIVEN THE STAFF TO DO EVERYTHING 25 NECESSARY IN PREPARATION FOR PURSUING A PARCEL TAX ON THE MAY 27, 2010 69 1 NOVEMBER 2ND, 2010 BALLOT" AND JUST STOP AT THAT POINT 2 BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO -- ANNOUNCE TO THE -- LET 3 THE PUBLIC KNOW NO LATER THAN JUNE 10TH, ET CETERA, ET 4 CETERA. 5 MS. SMITH: UNDER WHAT BOND COUNSEL IS ADVISING 6 WOULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN IS THAT ON THURSDAY -- LET ME COUNT 7 JUST A MINUTE -- JULY 15TH, WE SHOULD PLACE AN ADD WITH 8 THE EXAMINER THAT WOULD COME OUT ON MONDAY JULY 19TH 9 NOTICING THE PUBLIC OF A MEETING TO CONSIDER A PARCEL TAX. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: SO "JUNE 10TH" SHOULD BE 11 REPLACED BY "JULY 19TH." 12 MS. SMITH: YES. 13 PRESIDENT MARKS: IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE 14 SIMPLIST WAY TO DO IT. 15 DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO MOVE THAT? 16 COUNSEL LEE: NO LATER THAN -- WHAT DID YOU SAY? 17 MS. SMITH: JUST CHANGE THE DATE FROM 18 "JUNE 10TH" TO "JULY 19TH." 19 PRESIDENT MARKS: JULY 19TH. 20 COUNSEL LEE: JULY 15TH? 21 PRESIDENT MARKS: JULY 19TH. 22 COUNSEL LEE: JULY 19TH. 23 MS. SMITH: WE HAVE TO CALL -- EITHER GET IT IN 24 BY THE 19TH -- 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: THAT'S A TRANSACTIONAL THING. MAY 27, 2010 70 1 MS. SMITH: YES. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: THE 19TH. 3 COUNSEL LEE: JULY 19TH, OKAY. 4 MS. SMITH: TEN DAYS IN ADVANCE OF YOUR 5 JULY 29TH BOARD MEETING. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE THE AMENDMENT. 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 8 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: SO THAT MEANS -- 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: I NEED A SECOND FIRST. 10 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 12 THANK YOU. 13 GO AHEAD. 14 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: SO THAT MEANS THAT THE 15 JUNE MEETING WOULD BE THE ONLY OTHER TIME WE WOULD GET TO 16 TALK ABOUT THIS. 17 MS. SMITH: WELL, I WOULD ASSUME YOU WILL TALK 18 ABOUT IT AT THE JULY MEETING. 19 PRESIDENT MARKS: UNLESS WE CALLED MORE 20 MEETINGS. 21 MS. SMITH: OR HAD MORE MEETINGS. 22 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: SPECIAL MEETINGS. 23 PRESIDENT MARKS: SPECIAL MEETINGS. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: I STILL HAVE A POINT OF 25 INFORMATION, BUT IT INCLUDES A QUESTION. MAY 27, 2010 71 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: GO AHEAD. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: IF WE WERE TO ADOPT IT AT THE JULY 3 MEETING, THE LANGUAGE OF THE MEASURE WOULD NOT BE PREPARED 4 AT THAT POINT, CORRECT? 5 MS. SMITH: OKAY, I MEAN, IF YOU ARE DIRECTING 6 STAFF, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO HAVE A LONGER TIME FRAME TO 7 REALLY FLUSH OUT WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROACH THAT THE 8 DISTRICT REALLY WANTS TO PURSUE. I MEAN, THERE'S 9 DEFINITELY SOME OPINION ABOUT TRYING TO PURSUE A 10 PROGRESSIVE PARCEL TAX. THERE ARE SOME ISSUES. 11 NO ONE IN SAN FRANCISCO HAS DONE THE PER SQUARE 12 FOOT, THUS THE INFORMATION TO CHARGE THAT DOES NOT EXIST. 13 TRUSTEE NGO: WELL, LET ME -- THE QUESTION IS 14 WILL THERE BE WRITTEN -- A DRAFT MEASURE THAT WE WOULD 15 HAVE TO ADOPT AT THE JULY MEETING. 16 MS. SMITH: THAT WOULD BE THE IDEA. THAT YOU 17 WOULD HAVE TO REDRAFT IT AND WE REDRAFT IT BY BOND 18 COUNSEL. 19 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: YES. 20 TRUSTEE NGO: SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PRETTY TIGHT 21 TIME FRAME. I MEAN WE ARE AUTHORIZING TO WRITE SOMETHING 22 THAT WE HAVEN'T DECIDED YET, CORRECT? 23 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: SURE. LET ME EXPLAIN THE 24 TIME LINE. THE TIME LINE IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO BE -- IF 25 YOU WANT A PARCEL TAX MEASURE ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT, YOU MAY 27, 2010 72 1 MUST SUBMIT YOUR LANGUAGE AND YOUR RESOLUTION THAT 2 INCLUDES THE BALLOT LANGUAGE AND THAT BASICALLY CALLS THE 3 ELECTION AND ORDERS THE DEPARTMENT OF ELECTIONS TO 4 CONSOLIDATE YOU, ET CETERA. THAT DOCUMENT MUST BE 5 DELIVERED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ELECTIONS BY AUGUST 6TH. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY. 7 SO, TRUSTEE RIZZO, IS CORRECT IN SOME WAYS THAT 8 WE ARE AUTHORIZING A DRAFT DOCUMENT THAT WILL ONLY HAVE US 9 ENGAGE IN A NORMAL OPEN SESSION TO ADVISE YOU ON IN ONE 10 MONTH, IN JUNE, IN ONE INSTANCE, BEFORE THIS LANGUAGE 11 APPEARS BEFORE THE BOARD FOR A FINAL VOTE. I MEAN, THAT'S 12 CORRECT? 13 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: YES. 14 (TRUSTEE JACKSON ARRIVES AT THE MEETING.) 15 TRUSTEE NGO: SO I MEAN I DON'T KNOW -- WELL, I 16 WILL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT AND WE CAN JUST MOVE ONTO THE 17 AMENDMENT FIRST AND LET ME THINK ABOUT THE REST OF THIS. 18 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: I JUST WANTED TO POINT 19 OUT JUST LOOKING UP MELLO ROOS. IT SAYS THAT A MELLO 20 ROOS -- IT HAS TO BE A COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT. IT 21 DOESN'T SPECIFY SCHOOL DISTRICT OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. 22 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: NO. AND THAT'S -- 23 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: COMMUNITY FACILITIES 24 DISTRICT. 25 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: IN 1990, THE SAN FRANCISCO MAY 27, 2010 73 1 UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT ESTABLISHED -- 2 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 3 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: -- A COMMUNITY FACILITIES 4 DISTRICT THAT HAPPENS TO BE COTERMINOUS WITH THE 5 BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICT AND THEN REGISTERED OR 6 BASICALLY RECORDED THEN EVERY PARCEL WITHIN THE CITY AS 7 BEING PART OF THAT COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT. 8 SO WHEN THE VOTERS ESSENTIALLY AUTHORIZED THE 9 TAX, THEY ALSO AUTHORIZED THE CREATION OF THE COMMUNITY 10 FACILITIES DISTRICT. 11 YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. IF WE LIVE IN THE 12 BOUNDARIES OF SAN FRANCISCO, WE NOW ALSO LIVE IN THE 13 BOUNDARIES OF COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT. I BELIEVE 14 IT'S NO. 1. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: HOLD ON. LET'S SEE IF WE NEED 16 YOU. 17 GUS GOLDSTEIN, YOU PUT A CARD IN. 18 AND IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS, 19 IF YOU COULD JUST FILL OUT ONE OF THESE CARDS AND BRING IT 20 UP HERE THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 21 MS. GOLDSTEIN: THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY 22 NAME IS GUS GOLDSTEIN, PRESIDENT OF AFT 2121. 23 WE ARE VERY CONCERNED THAT THERE BE A PARCEL 24 TAX. WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY, ALONG WITH 25 YOU, TO SUPPORT THIS WHOLE IDEA. I'M TRYING TO SORT OUT MAY 27, 2010 74 1 THIS DATA. IT IS VERY COMPLEX OBVIOUSLY. AND I'M LOOKING 2 AT THE RESULTS AS PUT IN THE WHITE SECTION OF THE 3 PRESENTATION, THE SLIDE PRESENTATION ON PAGE 9 OF 15. 4 WHEN LOOKING AT SPLIT A AND SPLIT B ABOUT HOW 5 LIKELY IT IS TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF A PARCEL TAX, SPLIT A WAS 6 FOR A FLAT TAX. AND SO NOW THAT YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS, 7 HOW LIKELY WOULD YOU BE TO SUPPORT THE "DEFINITELYS" AND 8 THE "PROBABLYS" COME TO 65 PERCENT FOR A FLAT TAX AND TO 9 67 PERCENT FOR A PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT. IT IS NOT A LARGE 10 DIFFERENCE. IT'S ONLY A VERY SMALL MARGINAL DIFFERENCE. 11 BUT I DON'T SEE HOW WE COME OUT SO CLEARLY 12 FAVORING A FLAT TAX AS A CONSEQUENCE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT 13 THE ARGUMENT COULD BE VERY EASILY MADE TO SUPPORT THE PER 14 SQUARE FOOT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU PRESENT IT WELL TO THE 15 PUBLIC. 16 BEYOND THAT, I'M RATHER CONCERNED ABOUT THE 17 LENGTH THAT IS BEING -- THE DURATION THAT IS BEING 18 PROPOSED. I THINK FOUR YEARS TO DO ALL THIS WORK AND GAIN 19 THE TAX FOR ONLY FOUR YEARS, SEEMS A BIT -- I MEAN WE NEED 20 IT, BUT IT SEEMS A BIT OF A WASTE. AND I THINK THAT THE 21 JUMP FROM FOUR YEARS TO 11 YEARS IS QUITE LARGE. 22 BEYOND THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA THAT YOU 23 GET WHEN -- I THINK THAT'S ON THE NEXT PAGE, PAGE 10 OF 24 15. YOU HAVE TO LOOK NOT ONLY ACROSS FOR 18 -- IF WE LAST 25 18 YEARS, YOU HAVE "DEFINITELY YES" AND "PROBABLY YES" MAY 27, 2010 75 1 ADDING UP TO 48 PERCENT. YOU HAVE -- THOSE PEOPLE 2 ANSWERED FIRST. SO THEY ARE OUT OF THE PICTURE. THEY 3 HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED IF I UNDERSTAND HOW THE POLL IS 4 CONDUCTED. 5 THEN YOU ASK, NOW MAYBE WHEN YOU SAY "LAST 11 6 YEARS," YOU HAVE 28 PERCENT SAYING "DEFINITELY YES" AND 7 24 PERCENT SAYING "PROBABLY YES" AND THEN YOU HAVE -- 8 THAT'S 54 PERCENT. AND IF YOU TAKE THOSE TOGETHER, YOU'VE 9 GOT ALL THE "DEFINITELYS" AND THE "PROBABLYS" FOR 18 YEARS 10 AND FOR 11 YEARS, YOU HAVE A VERY HIGH PERCENT OF PEOPLE 11 WHO ARE WILLING TO GO OUT FOR WAY BEYOND FOUR YEARS. 12 SO I'M REALLY NOT CONVINCED THAT THE 13 RECOMMENDATION FOR FOUR YEARS MAKES SENSE. ALTHOUGH I 14 CAN'T -- I'M NOT WILLING TO GO OUT ONLY A LIMB AND SAY MY 15 UNDERSTANDING OF THE DATA IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. THESE 16 ARE MY CONCERNS. THANK YOU. 17 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 18 DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND? 19 DR. DAVIDSON: FOR THAT LAST ONE REGARDING 20 DURATION, THOSE PERCENTAGES REFLECT THE FULL 800 VOTERS 21 THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE SURVEY. SO IT IS 48 PERCENT 22 INDICATED "DEFINITELY YES." I'M SORRY, YES, FOR A MEASURE 23 LASTING 18 YEARS. THOSE WHO SAID, "YES" WERE DROPPED OUT 24 OF THE QUESTION. BUT WE'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT FOR 11 AND 25 FOUR YEARS. SO WE'VE COATED THEM AS "DEFINITELY" OR MAY 27, 2010 76 1 "PROBABLY YES" FOR THE SHORTER DURATIONS. 2 IF THEY SAID, "DEFINITELY YES," WE COATED THEM 3 AS "DEFINITELY YES" FOR THE SHORTER DURATIONS. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. 5 MR. GODBE: AND TO ANSWER THE FIRST POINT, THE 6 SPEAKER IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE STATISTICAL DIFFERENCE 7 BETWEEN 65 AND 67 IS NONEXISTENT. AND IN FACT THEY COULD 8 BE THE SAME. ONE COULD BE -- THE LOWER ONE COULD BE 9 HIGHER AND THE HIGHER ONE COULD BE LOWER. 10 OUR CONCERN WITH THIS CHART IS THAT IF WE ARE 11 CONSERVATIVE AND WE APPLIED A MARGIN OF ERROR TO BOTH OF 12 THEM ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE, WE HAVE 60 PERCENT FOR THE FLAT 13 RATE AND 62 PERCENT FOR THE SQUARE FOOT. SO THEY ARE BOTH 14 LOSERS. 15 SO THEN WE LOOKED AT THE TAX RATE QUESTION AND 16 SAY AT WHAT POINT DO WE GET A MARGIN OF ERROR TO MAKE US 17 COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN GET TO THE TWO-THIRDS. SO WE 18 LOOKED FOR THE 71 PERCENT, WHICH WOULD BE 66 MINUS -- 71 19 MINUS 566 AND SO THAT'S REASONABLE RIGHT AT THE TWO-THIRDS 20 LEVEL. AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT APPEARS TO BE GOOD. 21 THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE 1.5, WHERE IT'S 67 22 HERE MINUS 562. SO WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE MARGIN OF 23 ERROR SO WE THEN EXTRAPOLATED DOWN. AND TO GET TO THE 71 24 PERCENT THAT WE SEE FOR THE FLAT TAX HERE AT 49, WE HAVE 25 TO GO DOWN TO 1 CENT, WHICH IS GOING TO GET YOU 71 MAY 27, 2010 77 1 PERCENT. AND SO A 1 CENT PER SQUARE FOOT IS EQUAL TO A 2 $49 FLAT TAX. THE DIFFERENCE THOUGH IS THE $49 FLAT TAX 3 NETS YOU ABOUT $9.3 MILLION. THE 1 CENT PER SQUARE FOOT 4 IS $7.7 MILLION. SO IN ORDER TO GET THE SAME CUSHION 5 BASED ON THE MARGIN OF ERROR, YOU LOSE MONEY WITH THE PER 6 SQUARE FOOT TAX. THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE MATH 7 THAT SAYS GO FOR THE $49 RATHER THAN USING THIS QUESTION 8 TO SAY IT SHOULD BE TWO-AND-A-HALF CENTS. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 10 WE REALLY NEED TO GET THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE -- 11 WE'VE GOT TO BRING IT TO A CLOSE. 12 BUT I DO HAVE A CARD FROM ED MURRAY AND THEN IF 13 THERE'S NOBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK, I WOULD LIKE US 14 TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. 15 MR. MURRAY: ED MURRAY, VICE PRESIDENT AFT. AND 16 I WILL KEEP IT BRIEF. 17 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF HOW 18 PROGRESSIVE A TAX WE CAN MAKE IT AND STILL BE ABLE TO GET 19 THE MONEY. BECAUSE IF IT'S -- I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE 20 ABSOLUTELY AS PROGRESSIVE AS POSSIBLE AND, YOU KNOW, TAX 21 THE BANKS FIRST. 22 I AGREE WITH THAT PHILOSOPHICALLY, BUT IF WE 23 RISK HAVING THE MONEY TIED UP BY A COURT CHALLENGE AND ARE 24 NOT ABLE TO GET IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, THEN THAT REALLY 25 IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BALANCE AGAINST HOW PROGRESSIVE A MAY 27, 2010 78 1 TAX YOU WANT TO MAKE IT. 2 IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE GET A PARCEL TAX PASSED, 3 AND IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE GET THE MONEY JUST AS SOON AS WE 4 CAN. 5 WHETHER THE TAX IS PROGRESSIVE OR NOT, THE NEED 6 AND THE VALUE OF THE MONEY WILL BE SPENT ENTIRELY 7 PROGRESSIVELY. 8 I MEAN, CITY COLLEGE IS -- WE ALL AGREE IT'S A 9 TREMENDOUS RESOURCE FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT THE VERY LOWEST 10 PEOPLE ECONOMICALLY WILL PROFIT BY IT UP TO THROUGH THE 11 MIDDLE CLASS AND ABOVE. 12 WE ARE A VERY PROGRESSIVE INSTITUTION IN SO MANY 13 DIFFERENT WAYS THAT I BELIEVE THE NEED TO GET THE MONEY 14 AND SUPPORT THIS INSTITUTION REALLY OUTWEIGHS HOW 15 PROGRESSIVE WE CAN TAKE IT AND STILL BE GUARANTEED THE 16 MONEY. WE NEED IT NOW. 17 WE NEEDED THE MONEY IN THIS CURRENT YEAR. WE 18 ARE DOWN WE ARE CUTTING BONE NOW AND MUSCLE. THIS YEAR WE 19 ARE VERY DIMINISHED AS A COLLEGE. AND WE ARE NOT ABLE TO 20 SERVE OUR STUDENTS THE WAY THAT WE WANT TO AND IT'S 21 PAINFUL. NEXT YEAR, THE FISCAL YEAR COMING UP ON JULY 1ST 22 IS GOING TO BE WORSE. WE ARE GOING TO LOSE MORE BONE AND 23 MORE MUSCLE. 24 I HAVE BEEN AROUND AT THE UNION AND PERIPHERALLY 25 AT LEAST FOR 15 YEARS OF BARGAINING. AND THIS IS THE MOST MAY 27, 2010 79 1 PAINFUL BARGAINING THAT WE'VE EVER HAD TO DO, NOT THAT 2 IT'S RANCOROUS BECAUSE ON BOTH SIDES IT'S VERY PAINFUL FOR 3 THE DISTRICT TO HAVE TO PROPOSE THINGS THAT THEY ARE 4 PROPOSING TO US. AND IT'S REALLY PAINFUL FOR US TO HAVE 5 TO ANSWER BACK BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. WE 6 HAVE A TERRIBLE REVENUE DEFICIT PROBLEM. AND WE'VE GOT TO 7 SOLVE THAT. 8 SO I'M IMPLORING YOU TO PLEASE REALIZE THAT WE 9 NEED TO GET THE MONEY CLEAR AND FREE JUST ABSOLUTELY AS 10 FAST AS WE CAN GET IT. THANK YOU. 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 12 TRUSTEE JACKSON. 13 I WANTED THE RECORD TO NOTE THAT TRUSTEE JACKSON 14 HAS BEEN HERE FOR MOST OF THIS DISCUSSION. 15 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR BEING 16 LATE, BUT I HAD A WORK-RELATED MEETING. 17 MY FIRST QUESTION IS HOW IF THIS 9.3 MILLION FOR 18 THIS 71 PERCENT, I MEAN, OUR CURRENT BUDGET -- I MEAN, HOW 19 LONG DOES THAT -- I MEAN, DOES THAT DISAPPEAR AFTER THE 20 FIRST YEAR? 21 I MEAN, IN TERMS OF THE ANTICIPATED DEFICITS 22 THAT WE HAVE? 23 I MEAN, WHEN DOES THAT JUST BECOME OBSOLETE? 24 YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF FULFILLING OUR BUDGET GAP. 25 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: BASICALLY 9 MILLION OR 7.7 MAY 27, 2010 80 1 MILLION WILL NOT SUSTAIN US FOR A VERY LONG TIME UNDER THE 2 PRESENT BUDGET CLIMATE. WE, OBVIOUSLY, HAVE TO GET RELIEF 3 FROM AS MANY SOURCES AS POSSIBLE, INCLUDING SACRAMENTO. 4 SO MOST OF OUR PROBLEMS IS BECAUSE OF SACRAMENTO AND THE 5 CUTS THAT WE'VE HAD FROM SACRAMENTO. THE PROJECTIONS ARE 6 THAT IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO BEFORE 7 THERE'S SOME RELIEF AT THE STATE LEVEL. 8 SO THE PARCEL TAX WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL 9 DURING THAT PERIOD TO SUSTAIN US. AND THE 7.7 MILLION OR 10 THE 9 POINT WHATEVER MILLION IN THAT RANGE WOULD PROBABLY 11 BE SUFFICIENT FOR THAT DURATION, THAT PERIOD. 12 BUT BEYOND THAT, AT THE RATE OF GROWTH OF OUR 13 BENEFITS AND OTHER COSTS, IF WE DID NOT GET SOME SUPPORT 14 AND HELP FROM SACRAMENTO, THAT WOULD BE GONE WITHIN THAT 15 PERIOD OF TIME. 16 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS, AND 17 THIS MIGHT BE FOR THE FOLKS WHO DID THE POLL. 18 DID IT POLL BETTER THAT IT WOULD GO TOWARDS 19 CLASSES? 20 I SEE ARGUMENTS IN SUPPORT, BUT I'M TRYING TO 21 UNDERSTAND WHAT IS A 1.0 -- I MEAN, HOW MANY MORE -- I 22 MEAN, IF IT'S AT 71, HOW MUCH MORE LIKELY ARE THEY TO -- I 23 MEAN, IF WE JUST SAY AND MAKE AN ARGUMENT TOWARDS 24 CLASSES -- I MEAN, WHAT IS ARGUMENTS IN SUPPORT? WHAT IS 25 LIKE 1.2 AND 1.0 IS SOMEWHAT MORE LIKELY? WHAT IS 1.2? MAY 27, 2010 81 1 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN LIKE IN REAL NUMBERS AND REAL MOVEMENT 2 OF THE PERCENTAGES? 3 AND THEN MY THIRD QUESTION IS HAS THERE BEEN A 4 POLL OF THE SAN MATEO -- SINCE THEY'VE GONE, HAS THERE 5 BEEN ANY POLLING OR HOW ARE THEY ACTUALLY DOING IN -- YOU 6 KNOW, ANY STATUS ON THERE. SO IF YOU CAN ANSWER THOSE 7 QUESTIONS, PLEASE. 8 DR. DAVIDSON: FOR YOUR TOP PERFORMING FEATURES 9 OF THE MEASURE, THOSE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THAT MOST 10 RESINATED WITH VOTERS. AND ALSO THE ARGUMENTS IN SUPPORT 11 OF THE MEASURE, WE FOUND THAT THREE OUT OF FOUR VOTERS, 12 ROUGHLY, WERE MORE LIKELY TO SUPPORT A MEASURE AFTER 13 HEARING THOSE PARTICULAR STATEMENTS. 14 TO GIVE YOU SOME SENSE OF THE MEANS SCORE, THE 15 PERCENTAGE RESULTS ARE ALSO PRESENTED IN THE TOP LINE 16 REPORT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE JUST ACCESS TO THE MEAN SCORES. 17 THERE'S ALSO THE PERCENTAGE RESULTS FOR YOU IN ANOTHER 18 DOCUMENT. 19 TRUSTEE JACKSON: ALL RIGHT. THANKS. 20 AND THERE'S NO PROGRESS REPORT ON THOSE. 21 MR. GODBE: SAN MATEO, SINCE PUTTING IT ON THE 22 BALLOT HAS NOT DONE A TRACKING SURVEY OF ANY SORT. THEY 23 ARE ALSO NOT DOING A PHONE BANKING OPERATION WHERE THEY 24 MIGHT GET A SENSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. 25 WHILE WE WERE VERY OPTIMISTIC WHEN THE BOARD PUT MAY 27, 2010 82 1 THE MEASURE ON THE BALLOT WHEN THE HOWARD JARVIS TAXPAYER 2 ASSOCIATION PLACE THEIR ARGUMENT AGAINST IN THE VOTER 3 HANDBOOK. WE WERE CONCERNED THAT THEY MIGHT ALSO BE 4 COMMITTING RESOURCES. 5 AS OF TODAY, THAT HAS NOT MATERIALIZED, SO WE 6 ARE NOW MORE GUARDEDLY OPTIMISTIC THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO 7 PULL IT OFF. THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE THAT ARGUMENT AGAINST 8 THE CREDIBILITY OF THE TAXPAYERS ASSOCIATION STATEWIDE. 9 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, IT HAS BEEN COVERED 10 IN THE PRESS. I THINK THERE'S -- I THINK IT'S A MAY 10TH 11 ARTICLE ON THE PENINSULA, THE DAILY JOURNAL. IT TALKS 12 ABOUT TAXPAYER GROUPS, YOU KNOW, GOING AGAINST COLLEGES 13 AND THAT KIND OF THING. THERE IS OPPOSITION OUT THERE AND 14 I THINK WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, NOT WISE TO IGNORE THAT. 15 TRUSTEE JACKSON: CAN I ALSO ASK HOW MUCH 16 RESOURCES HAS SAN MATEO PUT TOWARDS THIS PARCEL TAX IN 17 TERMS OF THE SUPPORT? 18 PRESIDENT MARKS: FOR THE CAMPAIGN? 19 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YEAH, I JUST NEED A BALLPARK. 20 IS IT A 100,000? 200 -- I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH 21 DOES IT COST? 22 MR. GODBE: WITHOUT BEING SPECIFIC, BECAUSE I AM 23 NOT AUTHORIZED TO SAY, IT IS A PRIVATE INDEPENDENT 24 CAMPAIGN. IT'S MORE LIKE THE SECOND NUMBER THAN THE 25 FIRST. MAY 27, 2010 83 1 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OH, OKAY. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: GO AHEAD, TRUSTEE NGO. 3 TRUSTEE NGO: DO WE VOTE ON THE -- 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE 5 AMENDMENT OF CHANGING THE DATE. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: WE ALREADY DID. 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: NO, WE DIDN'T. 8 TRUSTEE NGO: I WOULD CALL THE QUESTION ON 9 CHANGING THE DATE. 10 COUNSEL LEE: WE ACTUALLY JUST -- AFTER 11 CONFERRING WITH BOND COUNSEL, BECAUSE THE DATES THAT ARE 12 IMPORTANT ARE AUGUST THE 4TH AND AUGUST THE 6TH. 13 SO IF I MAY SUGGEST, THAT IT READ "RESOLVED THAT 14 AUTHORIZATION BE HEREBY GIVEN TO STAFF TO DO EVERYTHING 15 NECESSARY IN PREPARATION FOR PURSUING A PARCEL TAX ON THE 16 NOVEMBER 2ND, 2010 BALLOT, WHICH INCLUDES MEETING AN 17 AUGUST 4TH, 2010 DEADLINE. THE NOTICE OF ELECTION TO BE 18 PUBLISHED IN A NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION AND 19 MEETING AN AUGUST 6TH, 2010 DEADLINE FOR THE DISTRICT TO 20 DELIVER A RESOLUTION AND TAX RATE STATEMENT TO THE 21 DEPARTMENT OF ELECTIONS." 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: I'M NOT CERTAIN I HEARD THE 23 JULY 19TH IN THERE. DID YOU -- 24 COUNSEL LEE: JULY 19TH IS NOT IN THERE BECAUSE 25 THE KEY DATES ARE AUGUST THE 4TH -- MAY 27, 2010 84 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: SO THE JULY 29TH WOULD BE OFF 2 TOO. WHAT YOU JUST READ WOULD REPLACE THIS ENTIRE CLAUSE? 3 COUNSEL LEE: YEAH, MY WORDING WOULD REPLACE 4 EVERYTHING AFTER "NOVEMBER 2ND, 2010 BALLOT." THOSE ARE 5 THE KEY THINGS. 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. 7 COUNSEL LEE: AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME BETWEEN 8 THOSE DATES, THE DISTRICT, OBVIOUSLY, WILL BE DOING OTHER 9 DISCUSSION AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. 11 COUNSEL LEE: BECAUSE THE KEY DEADLINES ARE 12 AUGUST 4TH AND AUGUST 6TH. 13 COUNSEL HELMLINGER: IF I MAY, I THINK THAT 14 COUNSEL LEE WAS TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE FLEXIBILITY TO 15 BASICALLY ADOPT THE RESOLUTION CALLING THE ELECTION 16 STRAIGHT. YOU WOULD HAVE UNTIL THEREFORE AUGUST 6TH TO 17 BASICALLY ADOPT THAT RESOLUTION, SO HE WAS TRYING TO BUILD 18 IN A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME. 19 PRESIDENT MARKS: SO DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO MOVE 20 THAT SO THAT COULD BE THE SUBSTITUTE? 21 TRUSTEE NGO: CAN I ACCEPT IT AS A FRIENDLY 22 AMENDMENT? 23 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YEAH. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT HE 25 JUST SAID. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. MAY 27, 2010 85 1 WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: I CALL THE QUESTION, SO I WILL 3 WITHDRAW CALLING THE QUESTION. AND I WILL MOVE COUNSEL 4 LEE'S LANGUAGE AS AN AMENDMENT. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO SECOND 6 IT? 7 TRUSTEE BERG: I WILL SECOND IT. 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO AND 9 SECONDED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 10 TRUSTEE NGO: CAN I CALL THE QUESTION ON THE 11 AMENDMENT. 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: YOU NEED A SECOND FOR THAT AND 13 A TWO-THIRDS VOTE. 14 TRUSTEE NGO: CALL THE QUESTION. 15 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OH, JESUS CHRIST. 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE TRUSTEE 17 JACKSON ASK HIS QUESTION AND THEN VOTE. 18 TRUSTEE JACKSON: MY QUESTION IS NOT PERTAINING 19 TO WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. IT'S TO THE MAIN POINT. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: LET'S DO THE VOTE FIRST ON THE 21 AMENDMENT. 22 SO IF THERE'S NOBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO HAS 23 ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE AMENDMENT -- 24 OKAY, SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT AS 25 READ BY COUNSEL LEE, INCLUDING THE DATE OF AUGUST 6TH, MAY 27, 2010 86 1 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 2 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 3 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 4 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 7 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 8 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 9 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 11 NOW, TRUSTEE JACKSON. 12 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I AM TRYING TO FIND IN THE 13 DOCUMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DID WE ASK ABOUT OTHER TAX 14 MEASURES BEING ON THE BALLOT? 15 I KNOW THERE'S A HOTEL TAX. AND SO I'M TRYING 16 TO FIND -- I CAN'T FIND, SO IF SOMEONE COULD HELP ME. 17 MR. GODBE: A TYPICAL WAY WE DO THAT IS NOT BY 18 LISTING ALL OF THE SEPARATE BALLOT MEASURES AND DOING 19 BALLOT CASTS FOR EACH OF THEM BECAUSE THAT GETS INTO A 20 TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF YOUR TIME IN THE SURVEY. SO WE ASKED 21 THE QUESTION, IT WAS A NEGATIVE ARGUMENT. I WILL HAVE 22 DR. DAVIDSON READ THAT TO YOU. 23 DR. DAVIDSON: IN THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU ARE 24 HOLDING RIGHT NOW. 25 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OKAY. MAY 27, 2010 87 1 DR. DAVIDSON: ON PAGE 8, 7C, THE WORDING WAS 2 "VOTERS ARE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE MULTIPLE TAX 3 INCREASES" -- IT CONTINUED ON, ENDING WITH "THERE ARE MORE 4 PRESSING PRIORITIES THEN COMMUNITY COLLEGE PROGRAMS." 5 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YES. 6 DR. DAVIDSON: IN RESPONSE TO THAT, 41 PERCENT 7 OF VOTERS REPORTED THAT THEY WOULD BE SOMEWHAT OR MUCH 8 MORE LIKELY TO VOTE "NO." 9 SO OVERALL, THAT WAS ONE OF THE MORE MIDDLE TO 10 LESS INFLUENTIAL OPPOSITION ARGUMENTS. 11 MR. GODBE: IT BECOMES PART OF THAT MIX THAT I 12 SPOKE OF EARLIER WHERE WE'VE GOT THINGS WE ARE GOING TO 13 SPEND THE MONEY ON. HOW MUCH IT WILL COST? THE ARGUMENTS 14 IN FAVOR AND THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST, THAT BECOMES AN 15 ARGUMENT AGAINST. THERE ARE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS ON THE 16 BALLOT. AND THEN DEPENDING HOW STRONG THAT IS AND THEN IT 17 BECOMES PART OF THE CALCULOUS THAT GOES INTO THEIR 18 DECISION ON SECOND TAX. 19 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OKAY. AND SO I KNOW THAT IT 20 SAID THAT IT WAS WHATEVER THE $49 AND THEN IT WAS LIKE .5 21 CENTS. SO KEEPING THAT THERE, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER REDUCED 22 TO 71 PERCENT TO? 23 MR. GODBE: IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY INTRODUCE THE 24 TAX RATE. THEY ARE INDEPENDENT QUESTIONS. AND THEY ARE 25 INDEPENDENT VARIABLES THAT THE VOTER ON ELECTION DAY HAS MAY 27, 2010 88 1 TO THINK ABOUT. 2 THE QUESTION IS WHEN YOU THROW ALL THOSE 3 VARIABLES INTO THE MIX, WHAT'S THE OUTPOURING, RATHER THAN 4 WHAT PERCENT EACH OF THE DIFFERENCE DOES. DOES THAT 5 EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE THE STATISTICS JUST DON'T WORK THAT 6 WAY. 7 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OKAY. 8 MR. GODBE: SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHEN 9 THOSE ADDITIONAL TAX MEASURES ARE IN THE MIX AS THEY ARE 10 IN THIS MODEL, THEN WE CAN SEE IF THESE ARE THE NUMBERS 11 WE'D GET FOR HIGHER RATES. AND IF WE KNOW WE NEED TO BE 12 AT A LOWER LEVEL TO GET A CUSHION, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE IN 13 THESE TESTS. 14 DR. DAVIDSON: IT'S VERY HEARTENING THAT 15 ALTHOUGH VOTERS HAVE HEARD THOSE OPPOSITION ARGUMENTS AND 16 THEY DID RESONATE TO SOME EXTENT, THERE WAS STILL A 6 17 PERCENT INCREASE IN SUPPORT FOR THE MEASURE FROM THE 18 BEGINNING OF THE SURVEY. SO WE COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY 19 CONCLUDE THAT WITH A VERY STRONG INFORMATION EFFORT, 20 COMMUNICATION EFFORT TO VOTERS, THAT 71 PERCENT SUPPORT 21 THAT YOU SAW FOR A $49 PARCEL TAX MAY ALSO GAIN SOME 22 PERCENTAGES. 23 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OKAY. 24 AND THAT WOULD ALSO MEAN THE MEASURES THAT WERE 25 $72 -- I'M SORRY. I AM GOING O GO BACK. SO THAT ALSO MAY 27, 2010 89 1 MEANS THE OTHER MEASURES THAT WERE MORE -- THAT WOULD 2 BRING IN MORE REVENUE SHOULD ALSO INCREASE IN A COUPLE OF 3 PERCENTAGES WITH HIGHER INFORMATION. SO THE ONE THAT'S 4 $72.02, WE COULD ASSUME THAT THAT MIGHT GO UP A COUPLE OF 5 PERCENTAGES 2 OR 6 PERCENT. 6 DR. DAVIDSON: SO THERE EVEN IF YOU DID HAVE 7 THAT FULL 6 PERCENT INCREASE IN SUPPORT, YOU WOULD STILL 8 BE BELOW TWO-THIRDS WITH THE MARGIN OF ERROR FOR THE 9 STUDY. 10 SO THOSE HIGHER TAX RATES, EVEN WHEN THEY GET A 11 BUMP FROM A REALLY STRONG INFORMATION EFFORT, WE ESTIMATE 12 THAT THEY WOULD STILL FALL SHORT OF THE TWO-THIRDS 13 MAJORITY REQUIRED. 14 MR. GODBE: AND I GUESS THE CONCLUSION IS HERE 15 THAT THIS IS ENCOURAGING. IT'S JUST ABOUT FINDING THE 16 RIGHT TAX RATE AND WHAT'S AFFORDABLE. 17 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OKAY. 18 MR. GODBE: AND NOT TO TRIVIALIZE THE COLLEGE'S 19 EFFORTS, THERE'S A REASON WHY A MCDONALD'S HAMBURGER COSTS 20 WHAT TWO DOES. BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T PAY TEN CENTS MORE FOR 21 IT. AND THAT'S TRUE AMONG COMMUNITY GOODS, AS WELL AS 22 AMONG COMMERICIAL RATES. 23 THERE'S AN AMOUNT THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO 24 PAY. AND WE BELIEVE FROM ALL OF OUR RESEARCH, THAT THIS 25 IS THE BEST MODEL TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS TO MAXIMIZE MAY 27, 2010 90 1 THE DOLLARS THAT WE COLLECT. AND ALSO MINIMIZE BOTH THE 2 SURVEY RISK, AS WELL AS THE POLITICAL RISKS. WE DON'T 3 TALK ABOUT THE POLITICAL RISKS. 4 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OKAY. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: IN THE DAILY JOURNAL, THE 7 ARGUMENT IN THIS ARTICLE THAT THE TAXPAYER GROUPS ARE 8 PUTTING FORWARD IS THAT THE SERVICES, THE PEOPLE PAYING 9 FOR THE SERVICES, THE PEOPLE OF SAN MATEO COUNTY, ARE 10 PAYING FOR SERVICES THAT PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY ARE 11 GETTING, AND THAT WASN'T PART OF OUR POLL. 12 SO IF SOME OF THESE TAXPAYERS GROUPS MADE THE 13 SAME PITCH HERE, WE DON'T HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW THAT WOULD 14 EFFECT US. 15 DR. DAVIDSON: HERE IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE 16 TESTED IN THE SURVEY. 17 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 18 DR. DAVIDSON: BUT WHAT WE DO HAVE WORKING 19 TOWARD YOUR ADVANTAGE IS THAT FULLY HALF OF VOTERS HAVE 20 TAKEN A CLASS THEMSELVES OR HAVE A MEMBER OF THEIR 21 HOUSEHOLD WHO HAS, SO THEY KNOW FROM DIRECT EXPERIENCE 22 THAT CITY COLLEGE IS BENEFITTING THEIR HOUSEHOLD OR 23 THEMSELVES. 24 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 25 DR. DAVIDSON: ALSO THAT ARGUMENT WE TESTED IN MAY 27, 2010 91 1 ANOTHER COMMUNITY, AND WE FOUND THAT IT HAD VERY LITTLE 2 INFLUENCE ON VOTER SUPPORT. IT WAS AMONG THE LEAST 3 RESONATING OPPOSITION MESSAGES. 4 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 5 MR. GODBE: AND WE COULD TELL YOU AT YOUR BOARD 6 MEETING IN A COUPLE WEEKS TO HEAR THOSE RESULTS. THAT'S 7 WHY SHE'S BEING CAGEY ABOUT NOT GIVING A NUMBER. 8 DR. DAVIDSON: I'M NOT BEING CAGEY. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: WE'VE LOST OUR QUORUM, SO WE 10 CAN'T VOTE. 11 TRUSTEE JACKSON. THANK YOU. 12 SO WE HAVE AN AMENDED RESOLUTION BEFORE US, AND 13 I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- 14 TRUSTEE NGO: I'M SORRY. MAY I MAKE ANOTHER 15 AMENDMENT? 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: I AM JUST GOING TO SAY ONE 17 THING. OUR POLICIES, I BELIEVE, SAY NO ITEM SHOULD GO ON 18 LONGER FOR LONGER THAN 30 MINUTES. AND I AM PLEDGING FOR 19 THE REST OF MY TERM, THAT NO ITEM IS GOING TO GO ON FOR 20 MORE THAN 30 MINUTES, UNLESS THE BOARD VOTES TO DO IT 21 BECAUSE THIS HAS NOW GONE ON FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF. IT'S 22 A VERY IMPORTANT THING, BUT THERE ARE WAYS OF MAKING THIS 23 SHORTER. 24 TRUSTEE NGO, GO AHEAD. 25 TRUSTEE NGO: I WON'T AMEND IT THEN. BUT CAN I MAY 27, 2010 92 1 EXPRESS -- 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: GO AHEAD. 3 TRUSTEE NGO: -- A SENTIMENT THAT WHEN WE OR 4 HOPE IF WE DO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION THAT WHOEVER IS 5 DRAFTING THE LANGUAGE OR DOING THE WORK BEHIND THIS THAT 6 YOU PAY ATTENTION TO OUR POLICIES ON CAMPAIGN FINANCE AND 7 ETHICS, STATE CODE AND LOCAL RULES. AND BE VERY MINDFUL 8 OF THAT. WE HAD DRAFTED POLICIES AND IMPLEMENTED THEM. 9 WE WANT THEM TO BE RELEVANT DURING THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. 10 AND I HOPE THAT YOU PAY ALL DUE CONSIDERATION FOR THEM AND 11 ABIDE THEM ABSOLUTELY. 12 MS. SMITH: I THINK THAT THE ENTIRE DISTRICT IS 13 IN ACCORD WITH YOUR STATEMENTS. 14 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. 16 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN, YOUR VOTE ON S4, AS 17 AMENDED. 18 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 19 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF S4, 20 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 21 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 22 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 23 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 25 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. MAY 27, 2010 93 1 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 2 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 4 I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT TRUSTEE BERG IS NOT 5 HERE FOR THAT VOTE, SO IT'S FOUR TO NOTHING WITH THE 6 STUDENT TRUSTEE VOTING "YES" AS WELL. 7 THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL OF YOU. 8 MR. GODBE: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: NOW WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO 10 ROMAN NUMERAL 7, SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS. THESE ARE RELATED 11 TO RESOLUTIONS, SO IF WE COULD -- IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION 12 FOR RESOLUTIONS -- WE ARE GOING TO DO THEM ALL AT ONE 13 TIME, S10, S11, AND S12. 14 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE 16 CAN'T DO ANYTHING. 17 I HATE TO DO THIS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, 18 BUT LET'S GO ON TO THE CONSTITUENT GROUPS. 19 ATTILA GABOR, FROM THE CLASSIFIED SENATE, ARE 20 YOU HERE? 21 WELL, NOW WE GOT OUR QUORUM BACK. WE ARE GOING 22 TO DO THIS NOW. 23 SO IF SOMEBODY COULD MOVE AS A GROUP AND THEN WE 24 WILL TALK ABOUT EVERYBODY INDIVIDUALLY, S10, S11, AND S12. 25 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: I WILL MOVE. MAY 27, 2010 94 1 TRUSTEE JACKSON: SECOND. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO; 3 SECONDED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 4 ACTUALLY, BEFORE WE VOTE ON THOSE -- OR MAYBE WE 5 SHOULD VOTE ON THEM. LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION FIRST AND 6 THEN WE WILL VOTE ON THEM. 7 SO THE FIRST ONE ON THIS PRESENTATION IS FOR THE 8 OUTGOING PRESIDENT OF AFT 2121 PRESIDENT GUS GOLDSTEIN. 9 AND WE HAVE -- WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT 10 WE REALLY DO NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR FORCEFULNESS, YOUR 11 ATTENTION TO DETAIL, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CHALLENGE US AND 12 TO REALLY MOVE US AND DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE DISTRICT. 13 SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'VE DONE THIS 14 PAST YEAR. 15 I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE -- I THINK THE 16 RESOLUTION -- IT SAYS THE SAME THING. AND IT TALKS ABOUT 17 YOUR WORK AS THE PRESIDENT OF AFT. AND THAT YOU'VE 18 ACTUALLY BEEN ELECTED TO SERVE AS EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT 19 FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. AND THAT YOU'VE WORKED TIRELESSLY 20 TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF FACULTY TO FAIR AND EQUAL 21 TREATMENT IN ALL REGARDS REGARDING THEIR WORKING 22 CONDITIONS. AND YOU'VE ADVOCATED FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE 23 TEACHING AND LEARNING CONDITIONS. AND PLAYED A LEADING 24 ROLE IN IMMOBILIZING FACULTY, STUDENTS, AND LABOR, AND 25 COMMUNITY SUPPORT AGAINST STATE BUDGET CUTS TO EDUCATION. MAY 27, 2010 95 1 AND THAT YOU'VE RALLIED SUPPORT OF NEW FUNDING FOR HUMAN 2 AND SOCIAL SERVICES, BOTH LOCALLY AND STATEWIDE. 3 SO WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. WE ARE GLAD 4 YOU ARE GOING TO CONTINUE YOUR SERVICE. AND I WANTED TO 5 PRESENT THIS TO YOU ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD AND THE 6 CHANCELLOR. 7 I WILL GIVE THIS TO YOU. 8 MS. GOLDSTEIN: THANK YOU. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: WE WILL GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 10 AND IF GUS AND EVERYBODY ELSE, IF YOU WANT TO SAY 11 SOMETHING, YOU CERTAINLY CAN. 12 THE NEXT PERSON IS HAL HUNTSMAN, WHO IS THE 13 OUTGOING PRESIDENT OF THE ACADEMIC SENATE. 14 SO HAL, YOU'VE SERVED AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE 15 ACADEMIC SENATE FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. IT'S BEEN AN 16 ACTIVE TWO YEARS. IT'S BEEN NOT NECESSARILY A QUIET TWO 17 YEARS OF YOUR TERM. AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT 18 YOU'VE ON OCCASION HAD TO CALL US TO TASK, THAT YOU STOOD 19 UP FOR THE FACULTY, AND THAT YOU STOOD UP FOR THE WHOLE 20 VALUES OF TEACHING AND THE VALUES OF EDUCATION. AND 21 YOU'VE NOT LET US FORGET THAT THIS IS AN EDUCATIONAL 22 INSTITUTION WHERE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE 23 THEIR LIVES CHANGED PROFOUNDLY THROUGH TEACHERS. 24 SO THIS PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZES THAT YOU'VE 25 SERVED AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE ACADEMIC SENATE FOR THE MAY 27, 2010 96 1 PAST TWO YEARS. THAT YOU'VE BEEN RESPONSIVE, CONSISTENT, 2 APPROACHABLE AND PROACTIVE IN YOUR ROLE AS ACADEMIC 3 SENATE. YOU'VE CONSISTENTLY GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND YOUR 4 JOB RESPONSIBILITY TO CENTER AND RESPOND TO STUDENT VOICES 5 AND CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY UNDERREPRESENTED STUDENTS. 6 YOU'VE DEMONSTRATED YOUR INTEGRITY AND COMMITMENT TO 7 TRANSPARENT GOVERNANCE. AND YOU'VE ENCOURAGED FACULTY TO 8 EMBRACE CHANGE AND INNOVATION IN ORDER TO BETTER SERVE OUR 9 STUDENTS. 10 YOU ALSO WERE GIVEN YOUR TENURE THIS YEAR, SO 11 THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO FINISH YOUR TERM AS ACADEMIC SENATE 12 PRESIDENT AND THEN TO GO BACK TO TEACHING. 13 SO THANK YOU, HAL, AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU 14 THIS. 15 MR. HUNTSMAN: THANK YOU. 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: WE ALSO HAVE OUR COLLEAGUE, 17 JOSHUA NEILSEN, WHO IS LEAVING THE BOARD AS THE STUDENT 18 TRUSTEE. 19 JEFFREY, YOU'RE COMING -- JEFFREY FANG IS COMING 20 IN AS THE STUDENT TRUSTEE AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING. SO 21 WELCOME, WE WILL SEE YOU UP HERE NEXT MONTH. 22 I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD SINCE 2001. AND WE'VE 23 HAD A LOT OF STUDENT TRUSTEES IN THAT TIME. BUT I CAN'T 24 THINK OF ANY OTHER STUDENT TRUSTEE WHO HAS HAD THE KIND OF 25 IMPACT THAT YOU'VE HAD PARTICULARLY AROUND THE WHOLE ISSUE MAY 27, 2010 97 1 OF EQUITY. YOU WORKED CLOSELY WITH YOUR FELLOW STUDENTS 2 AND WITH FACULTY MEMBERS. YOU PUSHED AND PUSHED FOR THE 3 BOARD TO APPROVE THE EQUITY RESOLUTION THAT WE DID I GUESS 4 A YEAR AGO. AND YOU WERE A KEY ORGANIZER OF THE EQUITY 5 HEARINGS. 6 AND YOU IN THE FACE OF OPPOSITION AT A MEETING, 7 YOU STOOD UP AND WANTED TO VOICE AND DID VOICE THE 8 CONCERNS AND THE ISSUES FOR STUDENTS, SO YOU ARE CERTAINLY 9 NOT AFRAID TO TAKE ON BIG ISSUES AND TO SPEAK PUBLICLY 10 ABOUT THEM, SO WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. 11 THE PROCLAMATION TALKS ABOUT YOUR WORKING AS AN 12 ADVOCATE FOR STUDENT CONCERNS AND, SPECIFICALLY, FOR 13 STUDENT EQUITY. AND THAT YOU ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED IN ALL 14 THREE OF THE STUDENT EQUITY HEARINGS. YOU WORKED TO 15 STRENGTHEN RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN AND ACROSS STUDENT 16 ORGANIZATIONS. AND THAT YOU'VE SERVED AS THE ASSOCIATE 17 STUDENT PRESIDENT IN THE PAST. 18 CERTAINLY YOU ARE -- YOU HAVE BEEN A SERIOUS AND 19 FOCUSSED TRUSTEE. WE WISH YOU WELL AS YOU CONTINUE YOUR 20 STUDIES AT UC BERKELEY. AND WE WANT TO -- WE CERTAINLY 21 HOPE THAT YOU WILL FIND A WAY TO CONTINUE TO BE CONNECTED 22 WITH YOUR FELLOW STUDENTS AT CITY COLLEGE AS WE WORK TO 23 IMPROVE THE LIVES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE FOLLOWING YOU, SO 24 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 25 GUS, HAL, JOSHUA, DOES ANYONE WANT TO SAY MAY 27, 2010 98 1 SOMETHING? 2 THERE'S NOT ONE SHY PERSON AMONG THE THREE OF 3 YOU. 4 MS. GOLDSTEIN: ACTUALLY, I AM FEELING A LITTLE 5 SHY TONIGHT. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR 6 YOUR KINDNESS. AND IT'S BEEN A VERY INTERESTING 7 ADVENTURE. I WON'T BE FINISHED AS YOU SAID. I WILL STILL 8 BE AROUND. AND I WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE A FEW COMMENTS 9 AFTER HAL'S CONSTITUENT REPORT. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A 10 FEW COMMENTS AT THAT TIME. OKAY? 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. 12 MS. GOLDSTEIN: THANK YOU. 13 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 14 MR. HUNTSMAN: THANK YOU, TRUSTEES. IT'S BEEN A 15 GOOD TWO YEARS. I'VE LEARNED A LOT. AND I EXPECT TO 16 CONTINUE TO LEARN MORE. AND CERTAINLY, I AM A BELIEVER IN 17 CONTINUING EDUCATION. 18 I'D ALSO VERY MUCH LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL MY 19 COLLEAGUES AND ALL THE SUPPORT I'VE HAD IN THE LAST TWO 20 YEARS AND, THAT I CONTINUE TO HAVE. IT'S BEEN A GREAT 21 PRIVILEGE TO EXPERIENCE THAT OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT. SO I 22 WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE, AND I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BEFORE 23 YOU IF IT WEREN'T FOR ALL THAT. 24 I AM VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING BACK TO 25 THE CLASSROOM FULL TIME. IT'S GOING TO BE FUN. AND AT MAY 27, 2010 99 1 THE SAME TIME, YOU CAN COUNT ON THE FACT THAT YOU WILL BE 2 CONTINUING TO SEE ME IN THE FUTURE, SO TAKE CARE. 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 4 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN: SO IT KIND OF CAUGHT 5 ME OFF GUARD. I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO SPEAK 6 TO THIS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I APPRECIATE IT. IT'S BEEN 7 A PLEASURE WORKING WITH EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD HERE, AS 8 WELL AS THE STUDENTS THAT I HAVE ENCOUNTERED, 9 ADMINISTRATION, FACULTY, AND CLASSIFIED WITHIN THE 10 COLLEGE. 11 AND, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER I GUESS ABOUT TWO 12 YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST CAME ON AS PRESIDENT AT OCEAN 13 CAMPUS, I WAS LITTLE MORE NERVOUS. I WASN'T AS OUTSPOKEN. 14 I THINK THIS WHOLE ENTIRE EXPERIENCE HAS JUST MOLDED ME TO 15 BE THE MAN I AM. 16 AND I AM JUST REALLY GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING I 17 HAVE BEEN AFFORDED HERE WITHIN THE COLLEGE. THESE EQUITY 18 HEARINGS THAT JUST HAPPENED. I KNOW IT WAS LIKE THE FIRST 19 TIME ANY COMMUNITY COLLEGE ACROSS THE STATE ACTUALLY 20 CONDUCTED ONE OF THESE. AND I MEAN JUST TO BE THERE WITH 21 YOU GUYS. I WAS ACTUALLY CO-CHAIRING THE ENTIRE HEARING, 22 ONE OF THEM WITH CHRIS JACKSON. ALL OF THOSE EXPERIENCES 23 THAT I'VE BEEN EMBRACED UPON, IT'S JUST BEEN REMARKABLE. 24 AND I AM VERY PLEASED AND APPRECIATIVE THAT I HAD THAT 25 OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. MAY 27, 2010 100 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 2 IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, WE HAVE THREE 3 RESOLUTIONS S10, S11, AND S12, WHICH WE COULD JUST VOTE ON 4 AS A GROUP, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY. 5 SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF S10, S11, AND S12, 6 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 7 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 8 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 9 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 11 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 12 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 13 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 14 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 16 THOSE THREE PASS. 17 REPORTS FROM CONSTITUENT GROUPS. 18 NOW WE HAVE TO GET ATTILA GABOR BACK. 19 ATTILA GABOR, FROM THE CLASSIFIED SENATE. 20 MR. GABOR: GOOD EVENING, TRUSTEES. IN THE 21 INTEREST OF TIME, I AM GOING TO KEEP IT VERY SHORT 22 TONIGHT. 23 I JUST ALSO WANT TO THANK THE OUTGOING STUDENT 24 TRUSTEE, GUS, AND HAL FOR THEIR WORK, HARD WORK THAT THEY 25 DEDICATED TO THE DISTRICT AND THEIR COOPERATION THAT MAY 27, 2010 101 1 POSSIBLY THAT THEY HAD SUCH AN OPEN COMMUNICATION WITH US. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 3 HAL HUNTSMAN. 4 MR. HUNTSMAN: GOOD EVENING, AGAIN. 5 I THINK THAT THE PAST YEAR AND THE YEAR COMING 6 UP THEY ARE SORT OF THE STORY OF TWO GAPS, THE BUDGET GAP 7 AND THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. AND I THINK THOSE ARE GOING TO 8 CONTINUE TO BE TOP PRIORITIES HERE AT THE COLLEGE. 9 AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING PARALLELS 10 BETWEEN THE TWO. THEY PRESENT CHALLENGES TO THE COLLEGE. 11 THEY ALSO ARE GOING TO PROBABLY REQUIRE CHANGES, BOTH OF 12 THEM. AND PROBABLY A LITTLE PAIN FROM HERE AND THERE. 13 BUT I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE FACULTY AND THE 14 REST OF THE COLLEGE HAVE THE SKILL, THE EXPERIENCE, THE 15 WILL TO CLOSE BOTH OF THOSE GAPS AND THAT WE WILL. I AM 16 GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. 17 AND I AM GOING TO ANNOUNCE WITH GREAT PLEASURE 18 OUR NEW OFFICERS. FIRST OF ALL, THE ACADEMIC SENATE HAS 19 ELECTED KAREN SAGINOR AS THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE 20 ACADEMIC SENATE AND SHE IS NOT HERE TONIGHT. BUT WE 21 SHOULD GIVE HER A ROUND OF APPLAUSE ANYWAYS. 22 AND IN TO GIVE, AT LEAST A BRIEF REPORT, I 23 BELIEVE KIM WISE HAS BEEN ELECTED OUR FIRST VICE 24 PRESIDENT. 25 KIM. MAY 27, 2010 102 1 MS. WISE: GOOD EVENING. I AM GOING TO READ TO 2 YOU JUST A BRIEF STATEMENT FROM KAREN. 3 "I AM VERY SORRY THAT I CANNOT BE HERE IN PERSON 4 THIS EVENING. I LOOK FORWARD AND EAGER TO ATTENDING EVERY 5 FUTURE MEETING AND TO WORK WITH THE BOARD. 6 "ALTHOUGH I'VE ONLY BEEN AN ACADEMIC SENATE 7 PRESIDENT FOR ABOUT A WEEK, CITY COLLEGE FACULTY IN 8 COMMUNICATING TO ME THAT THE PRIORITY OF OUR INSTRUCTORS, 9 COUNCILS AND LIBRARIANS CONTINUE TO BE EMPOWERING STUDENT 10 SUCCESS TO CLOSE THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. 11 "OUR EFFORTS THIS YEAR WILL BE MADE MORE 12 DIFFICULT BY THE SEVERE FINANCIAL CHALLENGES THAT THE 13 COLLEGE IS FACING. FACULTIES ARE PREPARING THEMSELVES TO 14 MEET THE CHALLENGE AND TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN FOR OUR 15 STUDENTS WITH WHATEVER RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE." 16 I JUST SAY TO YOU ALL, I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING 17 ON THE ACADEMIC SENATE AND SERVING IN THE CAPACITY TO 18 SERVE OUR STUDENTS BECAUSE AFTER ALL THE STUDENTS COME 19 FIRST. 20 I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE TO YOU TED FREDDIE (SIC) 21 WHO IS ALSO ONE OF THE NEW OFFICERS. 22 MR. TETI: GOOD EVENING, TRUSTEES. LIKE SOME 23 HIDEOUS THING OUT OF GREEK MYTHOLOGY, I AM BACK. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: WELCOME BACK. 25 MR. TETI: THANK YOU. MAY 27, 2010 103 1 WE ELECTED ALSO -- SO I'M THE SECOND VICE 2 PRESIDENT THIS ACADEMIC YEAR OR NEXT ACADEMIC YEAR. WE 3 ALSO ELECTED VENETTE COOK AS THE ACADEMIC SENATE 4 SECRETARY. SHE REGRETS THAT SHE COULD NOT BE HERE THIS 5 EVENING BECAUSE OF A FAMILY OBLIGATION. AND SHE ASKED ME 6 TO READ THIS STATEMENT. 7 VENETTE COOK SENDS HER REGRETS THIS EVENING AND 8 LOOKS FORWARD TO SERVING AS ACADEMIC SENATE SECRETARY IN 9 THE COMING YEAR. 10 HERE IS HER STATEMENT: "I," MEANING VENETTE, 11 "HAVE BEEN AN ESL TEACHER WITH THE COLLEGE SINCE 1980 AND 12 CURRENTLY TEACH NONCREDIT AT THE CIVIC CENTER CAMPUS. I 13 HAVE ALSO TAUGHT CREDIT AND WORKPLACE COURSES. 14 "I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THE NEW STUDENT 15 TRUSTEE THIS LAST SEMESTER WHEN HE CAME TO TWO OF MY 16 CAMPUSES. AND WE HAD THE CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT HIS 17 INNOVATIVE SUGGESTIONS FOR HELPING STUDENTS SUCCEED. 18 "AS THE COLLEGE, THE BOARD, AND STUDENTS FACE 19 MANY CHALLENGES FINANCIALLY AND ACADEMICALLY IN THE COMING 20 YEAR, I TRULY LOOK FORWARD TO PROMOTING EQUITY, WORKPLACE 21 READINESS, AND LIFELONG LEARNING WITH RESPECT, CAREFUL 22 LISTENING, AND THOUGHTFUL STRATEGIES. WE HAVE NO TIME TO 23 WASTE IN SERVING OUR STUDENTS." 24 I WOULD NOW LIKE TO SEED THE REST OF OUR TIME TO 25 AFT 2121. THANK YOU. MAY 27, 2010 104 1 MS. GOLDSTEIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FRED. 2 ONCE AGAIN, GOOD EVENING. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY 3 ON BEHALF OF AFT 2121 THAT WE ARE NEGOTIATING AS WELL AS 4 WE CAN GIVEN THE BUDGET, BUDGET LIMITATIONS, THAT WE ARE 5 ALL FACING. I THINK WE CAN SEE SOME POSSIBLE WAYS TO MOVE 6 FORWARD. IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS 7 TO SOLVE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST COME UP WITH SOME WAYS OF 8 HANDLING NEXT YEAR. 9 I AM SORRY. I CAN'T READ MY OWN WRITING. OH, I 10 WANT TO SAY THAT WE DO STRONGLY SUPPORT, AS I SAID BEFORE, 11 THE PARCEL TAX. AND AS MUCH AS I AM SYMPATHETIC WITH THE 12 IDEA OF A PER SQUARE FOOT APPROACH, ED IS PRETTY MUCH 13 CONVINCING ME THAT THE PRACTICALITY OF GETTING THIS PASSED 14 IN A SURE FIRE WAY, YOU KNOW, THE SUREST WAY POSSIBLE AND 15 LISTENING TO WHAT'S BEING SAID ABOUT HOW LONG WE 16 ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE IT FOR. WE MUST HAVE IT FOR FOUR 17 YEARS TO GET US THROUGH A GAP THAT WE THINK MAYBE WILL BE 18 SUFFICIENT. IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WE NEED TO BE 19 PRACTICAL, BUT WE DO WANT TO SEE AND GO FORWARD ON THE 20 PARCEL TAX. 21 MEANWHILE, OUR LEADERSHIP IS ALSO CHANGING AS 22 YOU KNOW. AND I WANTED TO COMMENT ON ONE PARTICULARLY 23 IMPORTANT PERSON IN OUR LEADERSHIP, WHICH IS ED MURRAY. 24 ED HAS SERVED WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF AFT 2121 25 FOR OVER 15 YEARS. AS UNION ACTION EDITOR, AS EXECUTIVE MAY 27, 2010 105 1 BOARD MEMBER, AS GRIEVANCE OFFICER, AS VICE PRESIDENT, AND 2 AS PRESIDENT, AS WELL AS SERVING ON THE STATE LEVEL ON THE 3 EXECUTIVE COUNCIL, THE CFT, HE WILL BE LEAVING THESE ROLES 4 TO RESUME FULL-TIME TEACHING IN THE CLASSROOM. 5 AND IN HIS WORK WITH THE UNION, ED HAS SHOWN 6 TENACITY, DEDICATION, AND DEVOTION TO FAIR TREATMENT OF 7 FACULTY. HE HAS DEVOTED COUNTLESS HOURS. AND THIS IS NOT 8 JUST A PLATITUDE. I AM TELLING YOU COUNTLESS HOURS OF HIS 9 LIFE, FAR BEYOND ANY REALISTIC EXPECTATION ONE MIGHT HAVE 10 OF ANYONE ELSE SERVING IN HIS VARIOUS POSITIONS. HOURS 11 FOR WHICH WITH HIS ONLY RECOMPENSE HAS BEEN THE HOPE THAT 12 HE IS DOING ALL HE CAN DO TO HELP THE UNION RUN WELL TO 13 THE BENEFIT OF ALL FACULTY AND, ULTIMATELY, TO THE BENEFIT 14 OF STUDENTS. HIS POWERFUL SENSE OF JUSTICE HAS DRIVEN HIS 15 CHOICES THROUGHOUT HIS SERVICE. 16 PERSONALLY, I WILL MISS HIS ADVICE AND HIS 17 INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY ON WHICH I HAVE RELIED COUNTLESS 18 TIMES. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT BECAUSE I 19 CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WORKING IN THIS OFFICE WITHOUT HIM, 20 WHICH IS AS IT IS GOING TO BE. 21 HOWEVER, WE HAVE ELECTED A VERY COMPETENT 22 PRESIDENT. I RECOMMENDED TO HER THAT SHE RUN FOR 23 PRESIDENT WHILE I WOULD SUPPORT HER AS A VICE PRESIDENT. 24 I AM SURE SHE WILL DO A WONDERFUL JOB FOR US. AND I WOULD 25 LIKE TO INTRODUCE ALISA MESSER, WHO MAY NOT BE PREPARED TO MAY 27, 2010 106 1 SPEAK THIS EVENING BECAUSE I DIDN'T -- I'M SPRINGING THIS 2 ON HER. 3 COULD YOU STAND UP, ALISA, SO PEOPLE CAN SEE 4 YOUR FACE AND KNOW WHO YOU ARE. 5 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 7 I SAW RYAN. I'M NOT CERTAIN -- 8 RYAN VANDERPOL, THE PRESIDENT OF THE OCEAN 9 AVENUE CAMPUS. 10 MR. VANDERPOL: GOOD EVENING, TRUSTEES, 11 CHANCELLOR, AND EVERYBODY ELSE. RYAN VANDERPOL, PRESIDENT 12 OF OCEAN CAMPUS ASSOCIATED STUDENTS. 13 THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ALL 14 ABOUT IS INVITING YOU TO THE OPEN COLLEGE. I DON'T KNOW 15 IF YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS OR ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT. IT'S 16 REALLY EXCITING. IT'S INNOVATIVE. THE STUDENTS, IN THE 17 FACE OF BUDGET CUTS AND OF COURSE NO SUMMER SCHOOL, THEY 18 ARE KIND OF ORGANIZING, ALONG WITH FACULTY AND STAFF AND 19 CLASSIFIED, TO PUT ON CLASSES. IT'S GOING TO BE FUN. 20 THEY ARE GOING TO BE THREE DAYS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER 21 WHERE THERE ARE GOING TO BE -- IT LOOKS LIKE I'VE HEARD 22 AROUND 500 STUDENTS ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO OCEAN CAMPUS 23 AND ATTENDING -- I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE LIKE 30 24 CLASSES FROM ESL, SCIENCE, GEOLOGY, AND SO IT SHOULD BE 25 REALLY FUN. MAY 27, 2010 107 1 THE FIRST ONE IS ON JUNE 2ND. IT'S COMING UP. 2 AND YOU SHOULD CERTAINLY SWING BY. IT'S GOING TO BE FUN. 3 AND AGAIN, IT JUST SHOWS HOW CITY COLLEGE STUDENTS ARE 4 EXCITED ABOUT THEIR EDUCATION AND INTO IT. 5 THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS THE 6 ELECTIONS. AS YOU'VE ALL HAVE HEARD, WE HAVE GOT A NEW 7 STUDENT TRUSTEE. WE HAVE GOT A NEW OCEAN CAMPUS BOARD AND 8 SENATE AND SUCH. AND IT'S EXCITING. IT WAS QUITE AN 9 ELECTION. THERE WAS DOUBLE THE TURNOUT FROM LAST YEAR 10 BECAUSE OF ONLINE VOTING. THERE WERE SOME HICCUPS, AND 11 THERE ARE SOME OTHER STUDENTS WHO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 12 BUT IT'S EXCITING THAT THAT MANY STUDENTS CAME 13 OUT AND VOTED AND SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO BE INVOLVED 14 WITH POLITICS, WITH CITY COLLEGE STUDENT GOVERNANCE. 15 THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS NEXT 16 YEAR'S BUDGET. WE ALL KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FUN. 17 IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EXCITING. I CERTAINLY WANTED TO 18 THANK THE CHANCELLOR AND PBC FOR HAVING KIND OF A BUDGET 19 HEARING WHERE THEY INVITED STUDENTS TO COME OUT AND HEAR 20 ABOUT THE TRIP THAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT YEAR. THE POSSIBLE 21 SHORTFALL AND BRAINSTORM, SO WE NEED TO CERTAINLY KEEP UP 22 COMMUNICATION WITH STUDENTS TO LET STUDENTS KNOW THAT IT'S 23 NOT GOING TO BE EASY. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FUN. AND WE 24 ALL, YOU KNOW, STUDENTS INCLUDED, NEED TO WORK TOWARDS 25 CLOSING THIS GAP. MAY 27, 2010 108 1 AND THE LAST THING IS I WANTED TO THANK THE 2 CHANCELLOR, ESPECIALLY, FOR THE STUDENT UNION HOURS. 3 ACTUALLY, THE STUDENTS WERE KIND OF WONDERING IF OUR 4 STUDENT UNION WAS GOING TO BE OPEN OR NOT. AND BASICALLY, 5 JUST ASKED THE CHANCELLOR, AND HE SAID, YES, TELL US -- WE 6 TOLD HIM WHEN WE WANTED IT OPENED. AND ALAS IT'S OPEN. 7 SO THANK YOU FOR THE COOPERATION THERE AND BEING 8 CONCERNED ABOUT THE STUDENTS AND THEIR CONCERNS, SO THANK 9 YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 11 MR. VANDERPOL: OH, AND I AM GOING TO YIELD TO, 12 I THINK LENA, LENA CAREW OR INGRID. 13 MS. CAREW: YIELD TO DOWNTOWN. 14 MR. VANDERPOL: DOWNTOWN, I WILL YIELD TO 15 DOWNTOWN. 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: IS SHE HERE STILL? 17 MR. VANDERPOL: OKAY, KATIE. 18 KATIE GELARDI, STEP ON DOWN. 19 MS. GELARDI: THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 20 I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FIRST OF ALL THAT THE GREAT 21 NEWS IS THAT OUR CHANCELLOR GAVE THE MOST HEARTWARMING 22 RECOGNITION TO OUR BELOVED DEAN GLICK AT A RECENT HONORING 23 OF DEAN GLICK, A RECENT RECEPTION. 24 I WOULD LIKE TO THANK JOSH NEILSEN FOR HIS 25 EXTRAORDINARY LEADERSHIP THAT ACTUALLY BROUGHT CAMPUSES MAY 27, 2010 109 1 TOGETHER FOR THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL, STUDENT COUNCIL, WHO 2 DEMONSTRATED LEADERSHIP AND UNDER ALL SORTS OF 3 CIRCUMSTANCES. 4 I WOULD LIKE TO THANK, HAL, FOR -- I'VE HAD THE 5 GREAT OPPORTUNITY OF ATTENDING ACADEMIC SENATE MEETINGS, 6 AS WELL AS YOUR GOOD MEETINGS. AND IT HAS BEEN AN 7 EXTRAORDINARY LESSON FOR ME WITH YOUR LEADERSHIP. THANK 8 YOU. AND THE STUDENTS WILL LOVE HAVING YOU BACK AS A 9 FULL-TIME TEACHER. 10 AND LET ME THANK, RYAN, WHO HAS BEEN AN 11 EXTRAORDINARY LEADER FOR ALL OF US WITH THE STUDENT 12 COUNCIL AS WELL. WE ARE GOING TO MISS YOU, RYAN. 13 AND TO THANK RUDY PADILLA, WHO HAS BEEN THE 14 ADVISOR FOR THE DOWNTOWN CAMPUS FOR FOUR YEARS, FOR HIS 15 EXTRAORDINARY EFFORTS IN SHOWING US WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A 16 LEADER. 17 AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO JEFF FANG, WHO IS OUR 18 NEW STUDENT TRUSTEE WHO WON BY A LANDSLIDE AS FAR AS I AM 19 CONCERNED. HE HAS SHOES TO FILL, BUT I AM SURE WITH YOUR 20 SUPPORT, HE WILL DO JUST FINE. THANK YOU. 21 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 22 MS. WYNN: THANK YOU, KATIE. WE REALLY 23 APPRECIATE YOU. SHE WAS AWARDED AMBASSADOR FOR THE 24 DOWNTOWN CAMPUS, AND WE ARE ALL SO PROUD OF KATIE. 25 SO THANK YOU, MS. KATIE GELARDI. MAY 27, 2010 110 1 JOSH, CONGRATULATIONS. I AM SO PROUD OF YOU. I 2 AM YOUR BIGGEST FAN RIGHT NOW. 3 AND RYAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP 4 FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE AT THE OCEAN CAMPUS. 5 AND ONE THING I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW ABOUT. 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: I JUST NEED YOU TO STATE YOUR 7 NAME SO -- 8 MS. WYNN: I AM INGRID. I AM THE A.S.E. 9 PRESIDENT FOR EVANS CAMPUS. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 11 MS. WYNN: SORRY ABOUT THAT. 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: IT'S OKAY. 13 MS. WYNN: ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ABOUT 14 JOSH IS THAT HE BROUGHT ALL THE EXECUTIVE LEADERS TOGETHER 15 FROM ALL THE CAMPUSES SO THAT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED 16 BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME EVER SINCE I HAVE BEEN AT 17 CCSF THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD A LEADER WHO TOOK TIME TO SAY, 18 HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS WHO I AM. THIS IS WHAT I DO 19 AS A BOARD TRUSTEE. AND I WANT EVERYONE TO GET TOGETHER 20 AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS AND YOUR CONCERNS AND WORK 21 TOGETHER, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, 22 JOSH. 23 WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT WE WOULD LIKE 24 TO DISCUSS AS FAR AS -- I HAVE THREE. 25 ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE HAD AN ELECTION. AND AT MAY 27, 2010 111 1 OUR ELECTION THAT WE HAD FOR STUDENT TRUSTEE, IT WAS AN 2 ONLINE ELECTION. AND WITHIN THIS ONLINE ELECTION, IT WAS 3 DIFFICULT BECAUSE WHAT WE HAD TO DO -- AND WE ALL WORKED 4 VERY HARD AT DOING IT. WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WENT 5 TO OUR OWN HOME CAMPUSES AND LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THESE 6 ONLINE ELECTIONS AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO VOTE. SO WITH 7 THAT, WE'VE DONE THAT. 8 OUTSIDE OF THE ELECTIONS, THERE WAS MORE THAN 9 JUST A FEW HICCUPS. THERE WAS A LOT OF HICCUPS. AND WE 10 WANT TO SEE THAT ADDRESSED BECAUSE FOR MYSELF, IT WAS 11 THREE DAYS OF TRYING TO INFORM PEOPLE WITH FOUR COMPUTERS 12 THAT WE HAD WORKING AT ALL TIME THROUGH THE ENTIRE CAMPUS 13 FOR 1500 STUDENTS TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE. AND OUT OF THE 14 1500, WE GOT 91 PEOPLE TO VOTE, WHICH WAS BETTER THAN THE 15 LAST TWO YEARS, I HAVE TO ADMIT. WE HAD ZERO LAST YEAR. 16 AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT WE HAD FOUR. SO COMMUNICATION 17 WAS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ISSUES. 18 IN MEETING WITH THE CHANCELLOR, HE DID MAKE SURE 19 THAT THE ADMINISTRATION OF RECORDS COMPUTERS WERE 20 ACCESSIBLE. BUT THEN WE HAD PEOPLE THAT DID NOT KNOW HOW 21 TO USE COMPUTERS. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DO HAVE THAT TODAY. 22 I CAN'T BLAME PEOPLE FOR NOT KNOWING HOW TO USE COMPUTERS. 23 I JUST FEEL THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD AN OPTION TO SAVE 24 PAPER AND ONLINE. 25 WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD ONE LAPTOP FOR MAY 27, 2010 112 1 ALL THE STUDENTS UPSTAIRS. AND WE HAVE BIG CLASSES 2 UPSTAIRS AS WELL. AND WITH THAT ONE LAPTOP, THE MOUSE WAS 3 BROKEN, SO THAT DIDN'T WORK. AND WE HAD PEOPLE THAT 4 DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT AND WERE LIKE, WE WILL CATCH YOU NEXT 5 TIME. 6 SO FOR THE ELECTIONS, WE DID PUT IN A LOT OF 7 WORK. I PUT IN THREE STRAIGHT DAYS. AND IT WAS JUST 8 EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. SO I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE SO 9 FOR FUTURE ONLINE VOTING, I WANT TO BRING BACK PAPER UNTIL 10 WE HAVE ADEQUATE COMPUTERS FOR EVERYBODY AND THAT IT IS 11 ACCESSIBLE. 12 ALSO, TONIGHT WE HAVE AERONAUTICS HERE. OUR 13 AERONAUTICS DEPARTMENT IS AT SFO AIRPORT. AND WE HAVE 14 CONCERNS WITH OUR DEPARTMENTS AS FAR AS REPRESENTATION. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: I JUST NEED TO STOP YOU FOR A 16 SECOND HERE. NORMALLY WHAT WE DO, PEOPLE WOULD BE 17 SPEAKING IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OR THE END 18 OF THE MEETING. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW LONG -- I'M NOT IN 19 ANYWAY TRYING TO DIMINISH THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT YOU ARE 20 SAYING AND THE AERONAUTICS AND ALL OF IT, BUT I AM JUST 21 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE DO IT IN TERMS OF THE 22 PROTOCOL. 23 MS. WYNN: THE PROTOCOL WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT 24 FROM OCEAN CAMPUS SPEAK -- 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: RIGHT. MAY 27, 2010 113 1 MS. WYNN: -- BUT ALL THE CAMPUSES ARE ALLOWED 2 TO SPEAK. SO FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE CAMPUSES THAT 3 ARE HERE TONIGHT TO REPRESENT THEIR CONCERNS BECAUSE OVER 4 THE YEARS AND MONTHS, YOU GUYS JUST HAVE ONE CAMPUS. BUT 5 THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE REST OF US DON'T EXIST. 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: I AGREE WITH YOU. 7 MS. WYNN: SO I DO NOT LIKE EVER TO BE EXCLUDED 8 AS A CAMPUS BECAUSE WE ARE ALSO A PART OF CCSF. THAT 9 MAKES CCSF. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: I AGREE WITH YOU. I AGREE 11 WITH YOU. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE GOING TO BE DOING 12 IT -- I KNOW I TALKED TO YOU OUT THERE. I DIDN'T KNOW 13 BEFORE TONIGHT I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO BE SPEAKING AT 14 A DIFFERENT PART OF THE MEETING. THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING. 15 MS. WYNN: NO, WE JUST WANT TO USE ALL OUR TIME. 16 SO WE WAITED UNTIL TONIGHT IN OUR SECTION WITH ALL THE 17 PRESIDENTS, SO THAT'S WHERE WE FALL AT. 18 SO BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER, I AM GOING TO YIELD 19 SOME TIME TO LENA CAREW, WHO IS ALSO SHARED GOVERNANCE. 20 AND SHE HAS SOME THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THE ELECTIONS BEFORE 21 I INTRODUCE JOHN FROM OUR SFO AIRPORT CAMPUS. HE IS ALSO 22 THE PRESIDENT THERE AS WELL. 23 MS. CAREW: THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SPEAK. 24 AGAIN, I AM LENA CAREW. I'M THE STUDENT CHAIR 25 GOVERNANCE COORDINATOR FROM THE OCEAN CAMPUS. AND I AM MAY 27, 2010 114 1 JUST GOING TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE ELECTIONS THAT WE 2 HAD FOR STUDENT TRUSTEE. 3 LIKE INGRID SAID, THERE WERE MANY, MANY CONCERNS 4 WITH THE WAY THAT ELECTIONS WERE HANDLED THIS YEAR. I AM 5 SURE THAT'S NOT UNIQUE TO THIS YEAR. I'M SURE THINGS 6 HAPPEN. BUT THIS WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE DID ONLINE 7 ELECTIONS. BUT NOT ONLY THAT, IT WAS ALSO MANDATED. 8 SO CAMPUSES NORMALLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE 9 HOW TO CONDUCT THEIR OWN CAMPUS ELECTIONS, BUT NOT THIS 10 YEAR. THIS YEAR FOR STUDENT TRUSTEE, IT WAS ONLINE ONLY. 11 AND THERE WAS A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT. 12 I HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED, A FORMAL 13 COMPLAINT, TO OUR GOVERNING STUDENT BODIES, BUT I'M -- AND 14 THERE'S TEN ISSUES IN THERE. BUT I AM JUST GOING TO COME 15 WITH ONE VERY, VERY BIG ONE. 16 AND THAT IS THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, STUDENTS WERE 17 DISENFRANCHISED BY THE ONLINE ELECTIONS. AND I AM COMING 18 TO THE BOARD AND ASKING IF YOU CAN INITIATE AN 19 INVESTIGATION INTO THE ELECTIONS PROCESS AND HOW IT LEFT 20 CERTAIN STUDENT GROUPS DISADVANTAGED BY THE FACT THAT THEY 21 DON'T HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO TECHNOLOGY. 22 AS INGRID TESTIFIED TO, A LOT OF STUDENTS STILL 23 DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE A COMPUTER. AND SOME STUDENTS ARE 24 EXTREMELY COMPUTER SAVVY. SO IT REALLY SKEWED THE PLAYING 25 FIELD. AND IT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THE MAY 27, 2010 115 1 DEMOGRAPHICS OF VOTER TURNOUT WERE FOR DIFFERENT GROUPS 2 LAST YEAR COMPARED TO THIS YEAR. 3 AND YOU KNOW, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ELECTIONS, 4 I LIKE MANY WERE VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT HAVING ONLINE 5 VOTING AND THE POSSIBILITIES OF HAVING -- YOU KNOW, WE 6 HAVE 110,000 STUDENTS AND NOT EVEN 2000 VOTE, SO I WAS 7 REALLY HOPING TO SEE MORE VOTES. 8 BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF 9 THAT IS THAT MY SUSPICION IS, YES, WE HAD MORE STUDENTS 10 VOTING, BUT WHO WAS VOTING AND WHO WAS LEFT OUT OF THE 11 PROCESS? AND THAT'S A TRAGEDY AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE 12 CAN TOLERATE THAT. 13 SO I AM ASKING TONIGHT THAT THE BOARD INITIATE 14 AN INVESTIGATION. LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND SEE WHAT 15 REALLY HAPPENED AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO PREVENT SUCH A 16 MANDATE MARKS IN THE FUTURE AND REALLY SEE IF ONLINE 17 VOTING IS AS WONDERFUL AS MANY PEOPLE ASSUME IT IS. SO 18 THAT'S MY REQUEST THIS EVENING TO THE BOARD. 19 TRUSTEE BERG: CAN I ASK A QUESTION? 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: GO AHEAD. 21 MS. CAREW: PLEASE. 22 TRUSTEE BERG: WHOSE IDEA WAS IT TO GO TO ONLINE 23 VOTING. 24 MS. CAREW: AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, MOST LIKELY 25 OUR INTERIM ASSOCIATE DEAN OF STUDENT AFFAIRS -- EXCUSE MAY 27, 2010 116 1 ME, STUDENT OF ACTIVITIES AND THE CURRENT DEAN OF STUDENT 2 AFFAIRS. 3 TRUSTEE BERG: AND THIS WAS DONE WITHOUT 4 CONSULTATION WITH ANY STUDENT GOVERNMENT -- 5 MS. CAREW: ABSOLUTELY NOT MANDATED. 6 MR. VANDERPOL: THAT'S INCORRECT. THE A.S. WAS 7 CONSULTED. 8 MS. CAREW: THE A.S. WAS CONSULTED. AND I 9 SHOULD CLARIFY THAT CAMPUSES DID HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE 10 HOW TO CONDUCT THEIR A.S. ELECTIONS, SO NOT EVERY CAMPUS 11 HOLDS A.S. ELECTIONS AT THE SAME TIME. BUT STUDENT 12 TRUSTEE WAS MANDATED BECAUSE IT'S DISTRICT-WIDE. SO EVERY 13 CAMPUS -- 14 LET ME BACKTRACK, SO IF A CAMPUS DECIDED TO HOLD 15 THEIR ASSOCIATED STUDENT ELECTIONS ONLINE, THEN THAT WAS 16 THEIR RIGHT, BUT LET'S SAY THEY CHOSE PAPER BALLOT, THEN A 17 STUDENT AT THAT CAMPUS WOULD HAVE TO VOTE FOR THEIR A.S. 18 ON PAPER BALLOT AND THEN GO ONLINE TO VOTE FOR THE STUDENT 19 TRUSTEE SINCE ITS DISTRICT-WIDE. 20 THAT WAS VERY CONFUSING TO A LOT OF STUDENT 21 LEADERS THAT IT WAS MANDATED. A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT 22 GOING INTO -- DURING CAMPAIGN TWO WEEKS BEFORE ELECTIONS 23 AND VOTING WHEN THE POLLS WERE OPEN, THEY FELT THEY MAY 24 HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE THEIR METHOD. WE ALL KNEW THAT 25 THIS WAS AN ADDED METHOD, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THE MAY 27, 2010 117 1 ONLY METHOD FOR THE DISTRICT-WIDE STUDENT TRUSTEE, SO 2 THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION WAS. 3 TRUSTEE BERG: THANK YOU. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE DONE. 5 MS. CAREW: I SUPPOSE I AM. 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. 7 JOSHUA, IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, BUT THIS 8 ISN'T -- I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE SOME TIME WHERE WE 9 COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, BUT THIS IS 10 NOT THE TIME TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. IT'S A TIME TO 11 INTRODUCE SOME THINGS AND TO THEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO 12 PROCEED AND HOW TO AVOID PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE AND TO SEE 13 WHY CERTAIN DECISIONS WERE MADE. 14 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN: YEAH, I UNDERSTAND 15 THERE'S NO DISCUSSION WHATSOEVER IN REGARDS TO THIS, BUT I 16 DO WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING JUST VERY BRIEFLY. AND 17 IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO ME BY A LARGE CONSTITUENCY AT OCEAN 18 CAMPUS AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHERS. 19 JUST REALLY BRIEFLY, I PROMISE. I JUST WANTED 20 TO PASS THIS OUT. IT'S A PROPOSAL WRITTEN BY A NUMBER OF 21 STUDENTS DONE AT THE OCEAN CAMPUS AS WELL AS THE OTHERS. 22 YOU GUYS COULD ACTUALLY JUST HAVE A COPY OF THIS -- 23 PRESIDENT MARKS: THE REASON WHY I SAID WE CAN'T 24 TALK ABOUT IT IS BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN NOTICED AND PEOPLE 25 HAVEN'T BEEN INFORMED THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING A MAY 27, 2010 118 1 CONVERSATION LIKE THAT. IT'S THE BROWN ACT. IT'S NOT MY 2 DECISION ABOUT THAT. 3 DID YOU WANT TO HAND THAT OUT? 4 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN: YES, PLEASE. 5 CAN I ADD REAL QUICK SOMETHING TO THAT? 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: YES. 7 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN: SO BASICALLY, THIS WAS 8 BROUGHT TO ME BY NUMBER OF STUDENTS AT THE OCEAN CAMPUS IN 9 REGARDS TO THE ENTIRE ELECTION PROCESS THAT WAS MANDATED 10 DISTRICT-WIDE FOR ONLINE VOTING. 11 I WANTED TO JUST TELL YOU THE CONCERNS THAT 12 STUDENTS HAVE BROUGHT FORTH TO YOU TODAY THAT HAVE BEEN 13 VOICED AND FILED THROUGHOUT THE STUDENT ACTIVITIES OFFICE 14 AT OCEAN CAMPUS. THEY HAVE SPOKEN TO THE STUDENT 15 ACTIVITIES DEAN OF AFFAIRS AND STUDENT BODY EXECUTIVE 16 COUNCIL WITH MYSELF AS THE CHAIR. AND NOW THEY ARE COMING 17 TO YOU. 18 THERE ARE TEN VIOLATIONS STATED WITHIN THIS 19 PROPOSAL THAT DO NOT ABIDE WITH THE STUDENT ELECTION 20 GUIDELINES AT THE COLLEGE NOR ANY NATIONAL ELECTION 21 PROCESS EVER IN HISTORY. 22 JUST TO LIST A FEW OF THE VIOLATIONS STATED 23 WITHIN THIS PROPOSAL ARE ENDORSEMENTS BY FACULTY, 24 ADMINISTRATION; CANDIDATES WORKING IN THE STUDENT 25 ELECTIONS OFFICE; AND THE MANDATE OF ONLY HAVING ONLINE MAY 27, 2010 119 1 VOTING AS AN OPTION AND NOT SUPPLYING AN ADDITIONAL OPTION 2 OF PAPER BALLOTS. 3 THREE WEEKS PRIOR TO THE ELECTION, IT IS 4 ACCURATE WHAT LENA CAREW HAD STATED EARLIER THAT THIS WAS 5 MANDATED BY THE INTERIM DEAN OF STUDENT ACTIVITIES AND BY 6 THE DEAN OF STUDENT AFFAIRS. THIS WAS NEVER, EVER 7 CONSULTED WITH THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN 8 CONSULTED WITH THE A.S. COUNCIL AT THE OCEAN CAMPUS AS FAR 9 AS WHAT THEIR VOTING PROCEDURES ARE, BUT FOR A 10 DISTRICT-WIDE ELECTION, THE STUDENT TRUSTEE DOES NOT ONLY 11 ABIDE TO THE OCEAN CAMPUS. IT ABIDES TO ALL THE CAMPUSES. 12 AND I FEEL LIKE IT IS A VERY CRITICAL POSITION THAT NEEDED 13 TO BE CONSULTED WITH EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY THE STUDENTS. 14 I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A 15 STUDENT ISSUE, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE. 16 AND I WOULD REALLY URGE THE BOARD, I KNOW WE 17 CANNOT DISCUSS ANYTHING HERE THAT WE ACTUALLY TRY TO 18 IMPLEMENT SOME TYPE OF INVESTIGATION. 19 I DO BELIEVE LOOKING AHEAD FROM NOW. I DON'T 20 WANT TO SEE THIS COLLEGE IN ANOTHER LAWSUIT. AND IT COULD 21 BE A POTENTIAL SITUATION THAT WE MAY BE COMING INTO. SO I 22 THINK ITS BEST THAT WE AT LEAST LISTEN TO THESE CONCERNS 23 AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO SOME 24 TYPE OF INVESTIGATION, WHETHER IT IS JUST TO LIST WITHIN 25 THIS PROPOSAL THE TEN VIOLATIONS THAT ARE STATED, I THINK MAY 27, 2010 120 1 WE OWE IT TO THE STUDENTS TO DO THAT FOR THEM. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK 3 THAT EITHER WE HAVE A MORE FORMAL PROPOSAL THAT COMES TO 4 US NEXT MONTH THAT WE CAN THEN DIRECT THE CHANCELLOR TO 5 HAVE AN INVESTIGATION OR THE CHANCELLOR CAN TAKE THESE AND 6 DECIDE THAT FOR HIMSELF RIGHT NOW. BUT WE CAN'T DIRECT 7 HIM TO DO IT WITHOUT IT HAVING BEEN NOTICED BEFORE. 8 I'M SORRY. IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE? 9 MS. WYNN: YES. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: GO AHEAD. 11 MS. WYNN: SO IN ANSWERING DR. BERG'S QUESTION, 12 IT WAS A UNILATERAL DECISION THAT WAS MADE WITHOUT ALL OF 13 THE CAMPUSES INVOLVED. 14 WE HAVE CONCERNS FROM OUR EVANS CAMPUS AS FAR AS 15 OUR CLASSES ARE CONCERNED. THERE HAVE BEEN DECISIONS MADE 16 WITHOUT STUDENT INVOLVEMENT. THERE HAS BEEN PROMISES MADE 17 THAT WE ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE CLASSES THAT ARE NOW 18 PUT ON THE BACK BURNER UNTIL NEXT YEAR OR PROBABLY THE 19 YEAR AFTER. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS AND ISSUES AT 20 EVANS CAMPUS THAT I WILL ADDRESS TO THE CHANCELLOR, AS 21 WELL AS YOURSELVES, SO IT CAN BE ON THE AGENDA NEXT MONTH. 22 AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE 23 PRESIDENT FOR SAN FRANCISCO AIRPORT AND GIVE TIME TO HIM. 24 JOHN. 25 MR. CHILTON: GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE MAY 27, 2010 121 1 BOARD. MY NAME IS JOHN CHILTON. I'M ACTUALLY THE 2 PRESIDENT OF THE STUDENT BODY AT THE AVIATION DEPARTMENT. 3 FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME 4 AND JUST INFORM YOU THAT THERE'S A SEVERE AMOUNT OF 5 PROBLEMS THAT ARE HAPPENING OUT IN THE AERONAUTICS 6 DEPARTMENT. 7 I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SHIFT OVER TO STEFAN 8 AND LET HIM GO OVER THE BULLET POINTS JUST SO WE KEEP THIS 9 WITHIN A TIME CONSTRAINT. 10 MR. STEFAN: I'M A STUDENT -- 11 COUNSEL LEE: IF I MAY, YOU KNOW WHAT'S AGENIZED 12 IS ESSENTIALLY BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM THE A.S. I 13 SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS THIS SHOULD BE A REQUEST TO SPEAK IN 14 THE OTHER PART OF THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT REALLY IS NOT 15 AGENDIZED. AND THE BOARD SHOULDN'T REALLY ENGAGE IN ANY 16 KIND OF BACK AND FORTH. 17 PRESIDENT MARKS: MAKE YOUR POINTS. I DON'T 18 KNOW IF IT'S OTHER THINGS BEYOND WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY AND 19 THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT TO PROCEED FROM THERE. 20 MR. STEFAN: IT'S SUCH A LONG LIST. I AM JUST 21 GOING TO GO THROUGH THE BULLET POINTS DESCRIBING OUR 22 SITUATION AT AERONAUTICS. 23 WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE IS A DEPARTMENT HEAD. A 24 DEPARTMENT HEAD IS NEEDED AT THE AERONAUTICS DEPARTMENT IN 25 ORDER FOR THE STUDENTS TO GO TO THE FAA EXAM. THAT MAY 27, 2010 122 1 DEPARTMENT HEAD NEEDS TO HAVE AN FAA LICENSE. SO WE DO 2 NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNING US OFF IN ORDER TO TAKE AN FAA 3 EXAM. 4 MR. CHILTON: WE DON'T HAVE A DEPARTMENT CHAIR 5 OR A DEAN. AND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THE DEAN OR THE 6 DEPARTMENT CHAIR ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN ACTUALLY 7 SIGN OFF THE CERTIFICATE TO THE FAA CERTIFYING THAT THE 8 CERTIFICATE IS VALID AND EVERYBODY HAS DONE EVERYTHING 9 THAT THEY NEED TO DO. 10 MR. STEFAN: WE DO NOT HAVE A DEAN. 11 ANOTHER ONE IS THE FAA PROGRAM OF THE 12 AERONAUTICS DEPARTMENT IS IN JEOPARDY. WE DO NOT KNOW IF 13 THE FAA DOES SIGN OFF ON THE PROGRAM. THE FAA REQUESTS 14 SIGNED TIMESHEETS FOR THE LAST SEMESTER. THE TIMESHEETS 15 HAVE NOT BEEN SIGNED OFF, PARTICULARLY OF THE TWO RETIRED 16 TEACHERS THAT'S OUTSTANDING. SO THAT HAS BEEN NEEDED FOR 17 THE STUDENTS IN ORDER TO TAKE THE FAA EXAM. 18 THEY REQUIRE WRITTEN CURRICULUM IF YOU WANT TO 19 DO ANY CHANGES IN THE PROGRAM. SO CURRENTLY, IT LOOKS 20 LIKE THE PROGRAM IS BEING CUT DOWN FROM FOUR TO TWO 21 CLASSES. AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN STATED IN THE CURRICULUM, 22 SO THE FAA DOESN'T HAVE TO SIGN ANYTHING. THEY DIDN'T GET 23 ANYTHING. 24 WE DO NOT KNOW ABOUT OUR FUNDING. SO THE SAN 25 FRANCISCO AIRPORT COMMISSION PROVIDES $250,000 EACH YEAR MAY 27, 2010 123 1 TO THE DEPARTMENT OR ACTUALLY TO THE SCHOOL. AND WE DON'T 2 SEE ANYTHING OF THAT MONEY GOING INTO THE SCHOOL. WE DO 3 NOT HAVE ANY EQUIPMENT TO REPLACE. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY 4 MATERIALS. ACTUALLY, THE STUDENTS BUY MOST OF THE STUFF 5 THEMSELVES. 6 MR. CHILTON: PAINTS, SUPPLIES, RIVETS. I'VE 7 ACTUALLY PERSONALLY GONE OUT -- I'VE SEEN STUDENTS. I'VE 8 SENT STUDENTS TO THE STORE TO PURCHASE WITH OUR OWN MONEY 9 SUPPLIES TO PAINT, PROPELLERS, TO PAINT AIRCRAFT DOORS, TO 10 DO THE PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MEET THE FAA 11 REQUIREMENTS FOR THEIR CERTIFICATE. 12 WE HAVE 11 STUDENTS RIGHT NOW THAT CURRENTLY 13 SHOULD BE GRADUATING. THE CERTIFICATE PROGRAM IS FAA 14 GOVERNED. SO IF THE CERTIFICATE DOESN'T MEET THE 15 GUIDELINES THAT THE FAA HAS STIPULATED, THE CERTIFICATE IS 16 GENERALLY -- ITS ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSE WORK WITH US. 17 THE WHOLE POINT OF GOING THROUGH THIS PROGRAM 18 AND GETTING THE CERTIFICATE IS TO TAKE THE A&P TEST AT THE 19 END AND GETTING THE A&P LICENSE. 20 RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT'S EVEN -- I 21 TALKED TO DENNY POLLARD, WHO IS THE FAA INVESTIGATOR AND 22 HE SUPERVISES. I TALKED TO HIM TODAY. HE STILL HAS NO 23 INFORMATION REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT THEIR RECORDS HAVE 24 BEEN KEPT. HE HASN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING AS FAR AS THE 25 TIMESHEETS. HE HAS GOT NO CURRICULUM CHANGE INFORMATION. MAY 27, 2010 124 1 HE HASN'T GOTTEN ANY OF THAT. I TALKED TO HIM 2 SPECIFICALLY TODAY, MYSELF, PERSONALLY. 3 TRUSTEE NGO: IF I MAY, IT'S NOT A SUBSTANTIVE 4 ISSUE. IT'S A PROCEDURAL ISSUE FOR ME. AND I THINK 5 GENERAL COUNSEL LEE HAS RAISED A GOOD POINT, WHICH IS THE 6 HAND OFF SPEAKERS IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL. I'M NOT SURE IF 7 IT'S CONSISTENT WITH BROWN OR NOT, BUT IT DOES SOUND LIKE 8 YOU ARE NOT MAKING A PRESENTATION, BUT YOU ARE ASKING FOR 9 A PARTICULAR ACTION. AND YOU ARE TAKING TIME IN PLACE OF 10 OTHER AGENDA ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE ON THE 11 AGENDA FOR PUBLIC NOTICE WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT I 12 THINK THEN -- 13 MR. CHILTON: THEN WHAT PROCEDURALLY -- 14 TRUSTEE NGO: PROCEDURALLY THEN REQUESTS TO 15 SPEAK FROM PRESIDENTS OF -- THE PRESIDENT OF THE OCEAN 16 CAMPUS. THAT WAS NOTICED, RIGHT? 17 SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU SPEAKING AT 18 ALL. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER YOU SHOULD SPEAK AT THIS 19 MOMENT IN THE SUBSTANCE THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING AT THIS TIME 20 AS OPPOSED TO PUBLIC COMMENT OR IF YOU SHOULD GET ONE OF 21 THE BOARD MEMBERS TO AGENDIZE AN ITEM FOR YOU OR YOU 22 SHOULD TALK TO THE CHANCELLOR. 23 BUT IF WE DO THINGS THIS WAY, THEORETICALLY 24 ANYONE IN THIS AUDIENCE COULD HAND OFF A SPEAKER, RIGHT? 25 AND THEN EVERYONE'S OTHER AGENDA ITEMS WOULD MAY 27, 2010 125 1 JUST NEVER BE HEARD, SO I THINK TO GET YOUR ISSUE DUE 2 PROCESS AND DUE CONCERN, I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO DO IT 3 DIFFERENTLY, BUT I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE -- IT'S NOT 4 ANYTHING AGAINST YOU. I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF PROCESS, 5 IN SOME WAYS THERE'S AN INFRINGEMENT ON OTHER ISSUES THAT 6 HAVE BEEN AGENDIZED THAT WON'T GET DISCUSSED -- 7 MR. CHILTON: I APOLOGIZE FOR THE BREAK IN 8 PROCEDURE. I DIDN'T REALIZE -- 9 TRUSTEE NGO: BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING THIS KIND OF 10 TRANSFER OF SPEAKERSHIP TYPE OF PHENOMENON, WHICH I DON'T 11 THINK IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT OUR RULES ARE. 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: IT HAS BEEN UNUSUAL. I'M NOT 13 CERTAIN I CAN QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY IT HAS ONLY BEEN THE 14 OCEAN CAMPUS PRESIDENT WHO'S ON THE AGENDA MONTH AFTER 15 MONTH. WHEN WE GO TO DIFFERENT CAMPUSES, WE OFTENTIMES 16 WILL HEAR FROM THE LEADERS OF THAT CAMPUS, BUT I DON'T 17 KNOW, AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CHANGE IT, 18 WHY IT'S JUST THE OCEAN CAMPUS THAT GETS TO SPEAK TO US 19 EVERY MONTH. 20 MR. CHILTON: MR. MARKS, I APOLOGIZE. TO 21 CLARIFY, THE REASON WHY WE HAVE DONE THIS IN THIS WAY AND 22 IN THIS MANNER IS WE DON'T HAVE A DEAN. WE DON'T HAVE A 23 DEPARTMENT CHAIR. WE, BASICALLY, WERE TOLD THAT WE ARE 24 HAVING AN OPEN BOARD SESSION TO COME AND TALK. THIS IS 25 THE LAST SESSION THAT WE HAVE. THIS IS BASICALLY THE ONLY MAY 27, 2010 126 1 TIME THE STUDENTS OF SFO DEPARTMENT HAD BEEN ABLE TO 2 ACTUALLY COME AND VOICE WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING TO US 3 AND OUR PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON WITH OUR 4 DEPARTMENT. 5 ESSENTIALLY, I APOLOGIZE IF THERE WAS A BREAK IN 6 PROCEDURE. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IS BASICALLY THIS IS -- 7 TRUSTEE NGO: (INAUDIBLE) ISSUE OF SAYING. IT 8 SHOULD PROBABLY COME INTO THE REQUEST TO SPEAK TIME WHICH 9 IS IN THE BEGINNING OR THE END. 10 MR. CHILTON: WOULD YOU LIKE US TO TAKE TIME 11 OUT -- 12 TRUSTEE NGO: WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY THAT -- I 13 DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WAS ALLOTTED FOR THIS. IF YOU 14 ASK ME HOW MUCH -- WHAT OTHER ISSUES YOU WANT TO RAISE NOW 15 UNTIL WE GET TO THE OTHER RESOLUTIONS. 16 MR. CHILTON: BASICALLY, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO 17 TELL YOU WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M NOT 19 SAYING SUBSTANTIVE I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH WHAT YOU ARE 20 SAYING. I AM SAYING PROCEDURALLY I AM NOT SURE IT FITS IN 21 THIS PARTICULAR PLACE IN THE AGENDA. 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE 23 TALKED ABOUT DOING IS HAVING AN OMBUDSMAN FOR STUDENTS -- 24 SO PEOPLE CAN BRING PROBLEMS AND DISCUSS THEM AND HAVE 25 SOMEBODY MANAGE THE PROCESS OF LISTENING TO THEM AND MAY 27, 2010 127 1 RECTIFYING THEM. 2 WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS THAT WE ARE BEING KIND 3 OF PUT IN A POSITION OF LOOKING LIKE WE ARE NOT RESPECTING 4 WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OR SOMEHOW TREATING YOU DIFFERENTLY, 5 AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE. IT'S JUST VERY UNUSUAL THAT YOU 6 ARE TALKING TO US IN THIS WAY. AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO 7 LISTEN TO YOU, AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP YOU, BUT WE 8 ARE KIND OF STUCK. WE ARE CONSTRAINED BY THE BROWN ACT 9 AND -- 10 COUNSEL LEE: I SUGGEST WE DO THIS UNDER REQUEST 11 TO SPEAK. I THINK THAT WOULD FIT. 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: SO GO AHEAD. 13 MS. WYNN: LAST MONTH WHEN I CAME UP HERE AND I 14 SPOKE BEFORE YOU, I MENTIONED IT LAST MONTH AS WELL THAT 15 THE STUDENTS FROM EVERY CAMPUS A.S.E. ARE ALLOWED TO 16 SPEAK. 17 ACCORDING TO YOUR PROCEDURES, THIS IS WHAT WE 18 WERE UNDERSTANDING. SO IT'S NOT JUST OCEAN CAMPUS THAT 19 SHOULD BE ON THIS AGENDA. NOW IF IT'S BEEN NEGLECTED TO 20 PUT THE REST OF US -- BECAUSE, YES, RIGHT NOW WE DO FEEL 21 THAT WE ARE NOT BEING HEARD. AGAIN, WE ARE THE STUDENTS 22 THAT TAKE THESE CLASSES, THAT MAKE THESE THINGS HAPPEN. 23 WE NEED TO BE HEARD BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING 24 ON. 25 THIS IS THE FIRST TIME EVANS CAMPUS ACTUALLY HAD MAY 27, 2010 128 1 SOMEBODY WHO'S GRADUATING -- A FEW PEOPLE GRADUATING FROM 2 THE AUTOMOTIVE DEPARTMENT. DO THEY HAVE ANY 3 REPRESENTATION THIS SATURDAY? NO. THAT DISHEARTENED ME. 4 WHEN WE HAVE THESE STUDENTS UP HERE THAT ARE 5 JUST THAT QUICK FROM GRADUATING, GETTING A CERTIFICATE TO 6 MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES, THESE ARE THEIR LIVELIHOOD. WHY 7 CAN'T WE ADDRESS THEIR ISSUES? IT'S NOT JUST ONE CAMPUS. 8 LIKE I SAID, WE COMPRISE OURSELVES OF MANY 9 CAMPUSES AND IT'S NOT FAIR. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE HEARD. 10 ALL STUDENTS SHOULD BE HEARD. IF IT'S THE A.S.E. 11 PRESIDENT YOU WANT TO HERE, JOHN CAN SPEAK. HE IS MORE 12 THAN CAPABLE OF SPEAKING UP HERE BY HIMSELF. 13 TRUSTEE NGO: I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT I AM 14 SAYING AT ALL. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT I DON'T KNOW 15 WHERE YOU ARE POINTING TO IN TERMS OF THE RULE THAT EVERY 16 CAMPUS HAS TO SPEAK. I AM NOT SAYING THEY CAN'T. BUT WE 17 JUST -- WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. I'M NOT SAYING WE 18 SHOULDN'T, BUT THERE'S AN AGENDA. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO 19 SPEAK AND BE HEARD, INCLUDING EVERY OTHER AGENDA ITEM ON 20 HERE, NOT JUST THIS PARTICULAR TIME PERIOD. 21 SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF 22 EVERYONE'S TIME TO SPEAK, NOT JUST A PARTICULAR PLACE OR A 23 PARTICULAR CAMPUS. 24 SO HOWEVER THAT IS ADMINISTRATIVELY OR 25 LOGISTICALLY DONE, WE SHOULD DO IT. BUT WE ARE RUNNING MAY 27, 2010 129 1 INTO LITERALLY SOME BROWN ACT ISSUES HERE IF YOU ARE 2 ASKING US TO ENGAGE IN SOME SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT 3 SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN AGENDIZED. 4 SO I AM ASSUMING WE DON'T WANT TO VIOLATE THE 5 LAW. I AM NOT ASKING US TO DO THAT. SO FOR FUTURE 6 MEETINGS, WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IS IF THERE ISN'T -- THERE 7 SHOULD BE A PROTOCOL FOR EVERY CAMPUS SPEAKING THAT SHOULD 8 BE WORKED OUT BEFOREHAND AND AGENDIZED. IT COULD BE 9 EXPRESSED THROUGH THE STUDENT TRUSTEE, WHICH REPRESENTS 10 ALL STUDENTS, OR I KNOW THERE'S AN OCEAN CAMPUS PRESIDENT, 11 BUT MAYBE THERE COULD BE A ROTATION SYSTEM. BUT IT IS 12 JUST NOT IN OUR PROTOCOLS RIGHT NOW. 13 AND I THINK WE'VE HEARD A GREAT DEAL TONIGHT. 14 NOT EVERYTHING NECESSARILY, BUT THERE ARE ALSO OTHER 15 PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE AGENDA. 16 SO AGAIN, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SUBSTANCE. I 17 AM TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS HERE. AND THE MORE WE TALK 18 ABOUT THIS, THE MORE WE ARE RUNNING INTO BROWN ACT ISSUES. 19 MR. STEFAN: I WANT TO SAY IT'S TIME CRITICAL 20 THE FAA -- 21 TRUSTEE NGO: HOLD ON. IF YOU ARE SAYING IT'S 22 TIME CRITICAL, AND YOU ARE ASKING US TO DO SOMETHING, THEN 23 YOU ARE CERTAINLY VIOLATING BROWN ACT. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: ARE YOU ASKING US TO DO 25 SOMETHING TONIGHT? MAY 27, 2010 130 1 MR. STEFAN: THE FAA IS GOING TO REVOKE THE 2 CERTIFICATE FOR THE SCHOOL. SO THAT'S A TIME -- 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: AND I FIND THAT TO BE A 4 TERRIBLE SITUATION, BUT I'M JUST ASKING, ARE YOU ASKING US 5 TO DO SOMETHING TONIGHT? 6 MR. CHILTON: RIGHT NOW, WE ARE BASICALLY -- 7 WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT OUR 8 PERSPECTIVE IS ON WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING WITH OUR 9 DEPARTMENT. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: RIGHT. 11 MR. CHILTON: THE PROBLEM IS -- 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: YOU MADE A VERY GOOD POINT OF 13 THAT. 14 MR. CHILTON: I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE BEEN 15 GIVEN A VALID TIME TO ACTUALLY SPEAK OUR PEACE TO, ONE, 16 THE FACT WE HAVE NO DEAN. WE HAVE NO DEPARTMENT CHAIR. 17 WHO ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TALK TO? 18 WHEN WE SENT OUT LETTERS, WE GET NO E-MAILS 19 BACK. THE PROBLEM IS WHEN ARE WE ALLOWED TO ACTUALLY 20 STATE OUR CASE AND SAY WHAT WE ACTUALLY SEE IS HAPPENING 21 WITH THE DEPARTMENT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE BEING 22 TAUGHT. 23 AS MUCH AS -- ALL THE INSTRUCTORS, WE HAVE TWO 24 INSTRUCTORS RIGHT NOW THAT BASICALLY ARE COVERING 25 EVERYTHING THAT THEY POSSIBLY CAN. ONE IS A FULL-TIME AND MAY 27, 2010 131 1 ONE IS PART-TIME. THE OTHER TWO FULL-TIME INSTRUCTORS 2 RETIRED TWO MONTHS AGO. WHO ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TALK TO 3 OTHER THAN YOU? 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: WE ARE JUST SAYING YOU CAN. 5 WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT -- IF I WOULD HAVE 6 KNOWN IN ADVANCE THAT YOU WERE COMING TONIGHT, I KNOW YOU 7 SENT US LETTERS AND E-MAILS, BUT WE NEEDED A MORE FORMAL 8 PROCESS TO GET YOU ON THE AGENDA. THAT'S ALL WE ARE 9 SAYING. 10 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, I DID 11 MEET WITH INGRID IN TERMS OF EVANS AND THE ELECTION. I 12 JUST WANTED TO GET TO THAT PART. WE HAD A LONG 13 CONVERSATION ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS AND 14 COMPUTERS BEING OUT THERE. 15 NO. 2, WE DO HAVE TWO INSTRUCTORS FROM THE 16 AERONAUTICS PROGRAM THAT HAVE RESIGNED. I DON'T THINK IT 17 IS TWO MONTHS AGO. I THINK IT IS VERY RECENTLY. 18 WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT FOR A DEAN TO BE 19 AT THE EVANS CAMPUS. I BELIEVE THAT'S ON THE AGENDA 20 TONIGHT. FOR THE DEPARTMENT CHAIR, BECAUSE OF HIS WIFE 21 BEING CRITICALLY ILL, HAS ENTERED A RESIGNATION FROM THE 22 DEPARTMENT A FEW WEEKS AGO. 23 MR. CHILTON: YES, SIR. 24 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO 25 MEET WITH YOU GUYS TOMORROW MORNING TO DEAL WITH ALL OF MAY 27, 2010 132 1 YOUR ISSUES AND CONCERNS. I KNOW THAT THE VICE CHANCELLOR 2 ALICE MURILLO HAS BEEN WORKING ON THOSE THINGS. 3 I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ANYONE IS GOING TO BE 4 DEPRIVED OF THEIR ABILITY TO GET THROUGH THE PROGRAM AND 5 RECEIVE ALL THE CERTIFICATIONS THAT THEY NEED. 6 THERE IS IN FACT A PROBLEM. AND IT HAS BEEN A 7 PROBLEM IN THE AERONAUTICS PROGRAM FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS 8 THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ADDRESS. 9 BUT IF WE HAVE A REGULAR SITUATION EITHER IN A 10 DISCUSSION OR A PRESENTATION, I WOULD HAPPILY ASK 11 DR. MURILLO TO ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS. 12 BUT I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU 13 TOMORROW AT MY OFFICE TO GO OVER THIS WITH HER AND WITH 14 YOU TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. IF THEY ARE NOT 15 SUFFICIENTLY ANSWERED, THEN WE CAN GO BEYOND THAT. 16 MR. CHILTON: SIR, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. 17 HONESTLY, I CAN'T. I HAVE TO BE OUT AT THE AIRPORT CAMPUS 18 AT 7:30 FOR CLASSES THAT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE DONE. SO I 19 ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE OUT THERE TO MAKE UP TIME FOR CLASSES 20 THAT I SHOULD HAVE COMPLETED AFTER THE FINAL. I'VE 21 ALREADY DONE MY FINAL. I STILL HAVE TO DO MAKE UP TIME. 22 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: OKAY. WELL, I WILL COME TO 23 EVANS. I CAN COME TO EVANS AS WELL TOMORROW. BUT I NEED 24 TO DEAL WITH -- 25 MS. WYNN: AIRPORT. MAY 27, 2010 133 1 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: THE AIRPORT RATHER. I CAN 2 BE AT THE AIRPORT TOMORROW, AS WELL AS EVANS OR ANY OF THE 3 CAMPUSES IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY TO DEAL WITH THE 4 ISSUES. BUT THIS IS NOT THE BEST TIME AND WAY TO DO IT 5 BECAUSE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN TALKING TO YOU IN MY OFFICE 6 ABOUT THESE ISSUES. DR. MURILLO SHOULD HAVE BEEN TALKING 7 TO YOU ABOUT THESE ISSUES. 8 AND THIS IS A WAY OF NOT GETTING YOUR PROBLEM 9 SOLVED IN AS QUICK A WAY AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET IT 10 SOLVED. YOU HAVE TO COME DIRECTLY TO THE ADMINISTRATION. 11 I KNOW YOU ARE FAMILIAR -- 12 MR. CHILTON: I'VE TALKED TO GOHAR TWICE IN THE 13 PAST WEEK. AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET A MEETING WITH 14 YOU ABOUT THIS. 15 LIKE STEFAN HAS SAID AND STATED, IT IS TIME 16 CRITICAL AS FAR AS WE HAVE 11 STUDENTS THAT DO NOT KNOW IF 17 THE CERTIFICATE IS GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO TAKE THE FAA 18 TEST THAT THEY NEED. THEY'VE ALREADY TAKEN THEIR FINALS. 19 THEY'VE ALREADY DONE EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEEDED TO DO FOR 20 THE TWO-YEAR PROGRAM. AND BASICALLY, WHAT'S GOING ON IS 21 THEY DON'T KNOW -- THERE'S NO -- 22 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I DON'T WANT TO TALK -- I 23 REALLY CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT HERE TONIGHT. BUT I AM WILLING 24 TO TALK TO YOU TOMORROW AT THE AERONAUTICS -- 25 MR. CHILTON: THANK YOU. MAY 27, 2010 134 1 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: -- DEPARTMENT IF YOU WOULD 2 LIKE. WE CAN MAKE A APPOINTMENT. GOHAR IS HERE. SHE CAN 3 TAKE TIME. WE CAN GET TOGETHER. 4 MR. CHILTON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. 5 MS. WYNN: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BOARD. WE 6 APPRECIATE IT. HOPEFULLY, NEXT SEMESTER WE CAN AT LEAST 7 INCLUDE ALL CAMPUSES ON THE AGENDA. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR 8 HEARING US OUT AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING. 9 TRUSTEE BERG: CAN WE MOVE THE RESOLUTIONS NOW? 10 WE DON'T HAVE QUORUM. 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: I WANT TO DO THE RESOLUTIONS 12 AND THEN WE WILL DO THE REST OF IT AFTER THAT. 13 TRUSTEE BERG: YOU WANT WHAT? 14 PRESIDENT MARKS: WE CAN'T. WE'VE LOST OUR 15 QUORUM AGAIN. 16 TRUSTEE BERG: LET'S BRING THEM BACK IN. 17 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I HAVE A POINT OF INFORMATION. 18 IN THE FUTURE, WE SHOULD JUST ACTUALLY LIST THE 19 CAMPUSES AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I WOULD 20 THINK JUST LISTING THEM I THINK, MAYBE SOME OF THIS COULD 21 BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CALMER. SO IN THE FUTURE, WE SHOULD 22 JUST LIST IN REPORTS EACH OF THE CAMPUSES, THE CAMPUS 23 PRESIDENTS. YOU KNOW, JUST ALLOW THEM SPACE TO GIVE A 24 TWO-MINUTE REPORT. 25 (PRESIDENT MARKS STEPS AWAY FROM THE MEETING.) MAY 27, 2010 135 1 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: I'M TEMPORARY CHAIR RIGHT 2 NOW. 3 SO I'VE BEEN TOLD B4 IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO 4 TAKE UP NOW. RESOLUTION B4, RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF 5 TRUSTEES -- 6 TRUSTEE BERG: I MOVE B4. 7 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL SECOND IT. 8 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? 9 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- 10 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 11 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 12 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 13 PRESIDENT MARKS: (ABSENT.) 14 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 15 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 16 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 17 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 18 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 19 B4 PASSES. 20 B5, IS ANYONE GOING TO MOVE B5? 21 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 22 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 23 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO 24 MENTION THAT THIS NEXT SET OF RESOLUTIONS THERE WAS NO 25 QUORUM AT THE FACILITIES COMMITTEE, BUT THEY DID -- SO MAY 27, 2010 136 1 THERE WAS NO VOTE. BUT THESE WERE DISCUSSED IN A PUBLIC 2 SETTING, ANYWAY SO -- 3 SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON B5? 4 HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. 5 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 6 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 7 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: (ABSENT.) 9 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 11 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 12 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 13 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 14 PUBLIC COMMENT? I'M SORRY. 15 OKAY, B5 PASSES. 16 B6. 17 TRUSTEE JACKSON: POINT OF INFORMATION. 18 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 19 TRUSTEE JACKSON: ACTUALLY, I WILL -- 20 TRUSTEE BERG: SO MOVED. 21 TRUSTEE JACKSON: -- SECOND IT. AND I JUST 22 WANTED TO ASK IS THERE A REASON WHY B8 AN B9 ARE CONSENT 23 CALENDARED, BUT B5-B7 AREN'T? 24 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: B8, WE PULLED OFF OF THE 25 CONSENT CALENDAR. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE PUT ON THE MAY 27, 2010 137 1 CONSENT CALENDAR THOUGH. 2 TRUSTEE JACKSON: IS THERE A REASON WHY THESE 3 AREN'T JUST CONSENT CALENDAR BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST -- I 4 MEAN, I AM JUST LOOKING AT THIS, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY 5 ARE JUST CONSENT CALENDAR MATERIAL. 6 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT B -- 7 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I'M TALKING ABOUT B5 THROUGH 8 ALMOST B -- 9 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: I DON'T CONSIDER THEM 10 CONTROVERSIAL, BUT SOME OF THEM WERE LARGE DOLLAR ITEMS SO 11 THEY WERE NOT ON CONSENT. 12 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OKAY. IN THE FUTURE CAN WE 13 JUST CONSENT CALENDAR THESE, UNLESS THEY ARE CHANGE ORDERS 14 I GUESS. 15 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, B6 IS A COST NOT TO 16 EXCEED $103 MILLION. I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE ON THE 17 CONSENT CALENDAR. 18 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THAT'S WHY IT WAS NOT. 19 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: S103 MILLION SHOULD BE -- 20 TRUSTEE NGO: IT WAS MOVED AND SECONDED. 21 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 22 IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? 23 WE ARE ON B6. 24 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I AM READY. 25 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. ALL THOSE IN MAY 27, 2010 138 1 FAVOR -- 2 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 3 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 4 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: (ABSENT.) 6 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 7 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 8 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 9 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 11 B6 PASSES. 12 B7. 13 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 14 TRUSTEE JACKSON: SECOND. 15 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY DISCUSSION? 16 ANY PUBLIC DISCUSSION? 17 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF B7. 18 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 19 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 20 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 21 PRESIDENT MARKS: (ABSENT.) 22 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 23 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 24 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 25 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. MAY 27, 2010 139 1 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 2 B7 PASSES. 3 B8. 4 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT. 5 TRUSTEE JACKSON: SECOND. 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: CAN YOU TELL US -- THIS 7 IS ANOTHER BIG NUMBER. GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE TOTAL 8 COST NOT TO EXCEED $77 MILLION. THAT'S WHY I PULLED IT 9 OFF OF CONSENT BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT AT LEAST DESERVED AN 10 EXPLANATION. 11 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: SURE. A BRIEF COMMENT ON BOTH 12 THE ONE YOU PASSED AND THIS ONE. BY APPROVING THESE, A 13 GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE WITH BOVIS, BOTH OF THESE 14 PROJECTS WILL BE WITHIN BUDGET WITHIN THE OVERALL BUDGET. 15 ALTHOUGH CHINATOWN JUST BARELY, SO WE ARE LOOKING TO 16 CREATE A CUSHION WITH SOME ADDITIONAL SAVINGS RIGHT NOW. 17 THIS ONE HERE, THE MULTI-USE BUILDING, WILL BE 18 FINISHED ON TIME AND WITHIN THE BUDGET. 19 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 20 ANY FURTHER COMMENT? 21 ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? 22 OKAY. ON B8, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- 23 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 24 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 25 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. MAY 27, 2010 140 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: (ABSENT.) 2 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 3 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 4 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 5 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: CAN I ASK THE PEOPLE IN 7 THE HALLWAY TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE DOOR. WE ARE HAVING A 8 HARD TIME HEARING IN HERE OR MAYBE WE COULD SHUT THE 9 DOORS. 10 TRUSTEE BERG: YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. 11 TRUSTEE JACKSON: THAT'S A FIRE HAZARD. 12 TRUSTEE BERG: IT GETS VERY STUFFY IN HERE. 13 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL RIGHT. SO B10, THIS 14 IS ANOTHER CHANGE ORDER. 15 TRUSTEE BERG: I WILL MOVE B10. 16 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: A RELATIVELY SMALL ONE. 17 IS THERE A MOTION FOR B10? 18 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL SECOND IT. IT WAS MOVED BY 19 TRUSTEE BERG. 20 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 21 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL SECOND IT. 22 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY DISCUSSION? 23 ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? 24 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- 25 TRUSTEE JACKSON: HOLD ON. MAY 27, 2010 141 1 TRUSTEE NGO: IT REQUIRES A UNANIMOUS VOTE OF 2 SEVEN OR -- 3 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: DOES IT? 4 COUNSEL LEE: YES. 5 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WHY IS THAT? 6 COUNSEL LEE: BECAUSE IT'S A CHANGE ORDER THAT 7 EXCEEDS 10 PERCENT. 8 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: 10 PERCENT, OKAY. THAT'S 9 RIGHT. THANK YOU. 10 COUNSEL LEE: I SUGGEST YOU DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. 11 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL RIGHT. LET'S DO A 12 ROLL CALL VOTE. 13 TRUSTEE JACKSON: CAN I ASK A QUESTION? 14 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES. 15 TRUSTEE JACKSON: THIS IS OCEAN CAMPUS CREATIVE 16 ARTS. 17 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN: I MEAN WHERE -- 18 TRUSTEE JACKSON: WE ARE ON B10, RIGHT? 19 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES. 20 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AND SO IT SAYS, "ADA UPGRADES 21 OCEAN CAMPUS CREATIVE ARTS." I'M JUST WONDERING THE 22 AMOUNT WHERE DID IT COME FROM -- HOW IS IT -- 23 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: LANI CAN ANSWER THAT. 24 LANI BATTISTE TO THE MICROPHONE. 25 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES. MAY 27, 2010 142 1 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT 2 THE AMOUNT. HOW DID THE CHANGE ORDER HAPPEN JUST LIKE I 3 GUESS -- 4 MR. HENRY: THIS SPECIFIC CHANGE ORDER. 5 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YEAH, I JUST MAKE IT A RULE OF 6 THUMB IN TERMS OF CHANGE ORDERS. THEY ARE PRETTY BAD. I 7 KNOW THEY HAPPEN. I AT LEAST WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT 8 HAPPENED IN THE CHANGE ORDER, SO THE PUBLIC CAN KNOW WHAT 9 HAPPENED ON SOME OF THESE CHANGE ORDERS. 10 MR. HENRY: IT WAS ACTUALLY THREE SMALL ITEMS 11 THAT COMPRISED THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF 6698. ONE HAS TO DO 12 WITH THE CORAL ROOM. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE FIT 13 COMMITTEE. WE HAVE MET WITH NUMEROUS OCCASIONS WITH 14 MADELINE MUELLER TO COME UP WITH AN IDEAL LAYOUT FOR THE 15 NEW ADA SEATING THAT WE HAD TO PUT INTO THE CORAL ROOM. 16 THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, PLACED THEM ALL IN THE FRONT, 17 WHICH WAS COST EFFICIENT, BUT MADELINE AS POINTED OUT IN A 18 CORAL SETTING, THOSE FRONT SEATS ARE NOT TERRIBLY 19 DESIRABLE BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY GET SPIT ON I GUESS FROM 20 THE FOLKS IN THE CHORUS. 21 MS. MUELLER: NOT ON PURPOSE. 22 MR. HENRY: NOT OF PURPOSE, SORRY. 23 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: IF THE ADDICTION ISN'T 24 GOOD. 25 MR. HENRY: SO ANYWAY, WE CAME UP WITH AN MAY 27, 2010 143 1 ALTERNATE SOLUTION OF PUTTING TWO OF THE WHEEL CHAIR SEATS 2 IN THE FRONT AND TWO IN THE BACK, SO THE WHEELCHAIR FOLKS 3 HAVE AN OPTION WHICH TO SEAT. BUT IN ORDER TO PUT THEM IN 4 THE BACK, WE HAD TO DO SOME EXISTING MODIFICATIONS TO THE 5 EXISTING SEATING. SO THERE WAS A CHANGE ORDER IN TOTAL 6 THERE. IT ALSO REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT OF CONCRETE WORK. 7 THAT'S 3700, SO THAT'S A LITTLE OVER HALF OF THE CHANGE 8 ORDERS IS RELATED TO THAT ISSUE. 9 THE SECOND ITEM HAD TO DO WITH -- IT'S A DSA 10 RELATED ISSUE RELATED TO EXISTING OUT OF THE THEATER. WE 11 ACTUALLY HAVE A JANITORS CLOSET THAT HAS A DOOR THAT 12 SWINGS INTO THE EXIT PATH OF THE THEATER DOOR. THEY 13 REQUIRED US TO SWING THE DOOR IN, BUT THE DOOR COULDN'T 14 SWING IN BECAUSE THERE'S A MOP SINK IN THE JANITOR CLOSET. 15 THE CLOSET IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SIZE OF A 16 DOOR, SO IF WE SWUNG THE DOOR IN, THERE WOULD NOT BE A 17 CLOSET. SO WE ARE ACTUALLY HAVING TO INSTALL A BARN STYLE 18 DOOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SWING. IT SLIDES. THOSE ARE 19 MORE EXPENSIVE THAN JUST FLIPPING THE DOOR IN. 20 ONE SMALL OTHER ITEM $600 HAD TO DEAL WITH 21 THE -- WE HAVE TO PUT A NEW INCLINE LIFT UP AN EXISTING 22 RAMP BECAUSE OF THE GRADE CHANGE WITHIN THAT BUILDING AS 23 YOU GO FROM THE KIND OF THE ARTS AREA TO WHERE THE MUSIC 24 AND THEATER IS, SO WE HAD TO TEAR OUT THE EXISTING 25 DOORWAY, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY EMBEDDED IN CONCRETE. SO WHEN MAY 27, 2010 144 1 WE FINISHED THAT, IT LEFT A RATHER ROUGH FINISH. SO THE 2 $600 IS TO INSTALL A SHEET METAL TRIM AROUND THAT SO 3 PEOPLE DON'T CATCH THEIR SLEEVES ON ROUGH CONCRETE GOING 4 THROUGH THAT OPENING. 5 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OKAY. 6 MR. HENRY: AND AGAIN, THE REASON THIS ALL 7 REQUIRES A UNANIMOUS BECAUSE IT TAKES US OVER THE 8 10 PERCENT. 9 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YEAH, OKAY. THANK YOU. I 10 JUST WANTED THE PUBLIC TO KNOW EACH INDIVIDUAL WHAT IT 11 COSTS TO GO OVER. THANKS. I APPRECIATE IT. 12 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. IS THERE FURTHER 13 COMMENT FROM THE BOARD? 14 ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? 15 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- 16 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 17 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 18 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 19 PRESIDENT MARKS: (ABSENT.) 20 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 21 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 22 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 23 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 24 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 25 TRUSTEE NGO: YOU NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE, TRUSTEE MAY 27, 2010 145 1 RIZZO. 2 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: ROLL CALL VOTE, YES, 3 SORRY. 4 WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE? 5 COUNSEL LEE: TRUSTEE NGO. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 7 COUNSEL LEE: TRUSTEE BERG. 8 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 9 COUNSEL LEE: TRUSTEE RIZZO. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 11 COUNSEL LEE: TRUSTEE JACKSON. 12 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 13 COUNSEL LEE: AND THAT'S IT. ALL OTHER BOARD 14 MEMBERS ARE ABSENT. THANK YOU. 15 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 16 B11 IS A GROUP OF 12 CONTRACT MODIFICATIONS OF 17 $600,000. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT. 19 TRUSTEE JACKSON: SECOND. 20 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY DISCUSSION? 21 ALL RIGHT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? 22 HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- 23 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 24 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 25 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. MAY 27, 2010 146 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: (ABSENT.) 2 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 3 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 4 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 5 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 7 B11 PASSES. 8 B13, IT'S A CHANGE ORDER OF $8100. AND THIS 9 ALSO EXCEEDS 10 PERCENT OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT. 10 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 11 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECOND? 12 TRUSTEE JACKSON: SECOND. 13 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? 14 TRUSTEE JACKSON: CAN WE JUST EXPLAIN THIS 15 REALLY QUICKLY. 16 MR. HENRY: I FORGOT TO SAY MY NAME LAST TIME. 17 DOUG HENRY, FOR SWINERTON. I WORK AS A PROJECT MANAGER 18 FOR THE FACILITIES OFFICE. 19 THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT 20 ITSELF WAS ONLY FOR 103,000, SO IT WAS PRETTY EASY TO GET 21 TO THE 10 PERCENT. BUT I MADE SURE OF THIS CHANGE ORDER 22 THAT BOTH HAVE TO DO WITH THE HORTICULTURE BUILDING. 23 THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. ONE HAS TO DO -- 24 WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE CONCRETE WALKWAY FROM THE SIDEWALK 25 WHICH RUNS ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE MAY 27, 2010 147 1 HORTICULTURE BUILDING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET ADA 2 COMPLIANCE. SO WE HAVE IN OUR PROJECT TO REPAVE THAT WITH 3 CONCRETE. 4 THE ONE THING THE ARCHITECT DID NOT CAPTURE, 5 WHICH WE NOTICED WHEN WE GOT OUT THERE, IS THAT THE 6 HORTICULTURE DEPARTMENT HAS A VERY LOVELY LANDSCAPE 7 ROLLING MOUNDS THAT RUN ALONG SIDE. SO THERE WOULD BE 8 CERTAIN POINTS WHERE THOSE MOUNDS WOULD ACTUALLY SPILL ON 9 TO OUR NEW -- SINCE WE'VE GRADE THE PATHWAY, WE WOULD 10 ACTUALLY UNDERMINE SOME OF THAT. SO WE HAVE TO ADD A 11 SIX-INCH CURB ALONG EITHER SIDE WHICH WOULD REQUIRE AN ADD 12 TO THE CONTRACTOR'S SCOPE. 13 THE OTHER ITEM WAS ALSO AN ITEM THAT THE 14 ARCHITECT IN MAKING SEVERAL OTHER SINKS WHICH WE HAVE TO 15 MAKE COMPLIANT FOR WHEELCHAIR USERS. WE JUST PICKED A 16 VERY SMALL HAND SINK. WHEN IN FACT, THEY DEAL WITH VERY 17 LARGE FLORAL ARRANGEMENTS AND NEED MUCH LARGER SINKS. SO 18 WE HAD TO -- THERE'S ONLY A FEW MODELS OF SINKS THAT GIVE 19 YOU A LARGE SINK, BUT ALSO PROVIDE THE KNEE SPACE 20 UNDERNEATH. SO WE HAD TO UPGRADE I THINK FOUR SINKS. 21 THAT MAKES UP THE OTHER HALF OF THAT PARTICULAR CHANGE 22 ORDER. 23 TRUSTEE JACKSON: THANK YOU. 24 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? 25 DR. LEE, WOULD YOU LEAD A ROLL CALL VOTE? MAY 27, 2010 148 1 COUNSEL LEE: I'M SORRY, YES. 2 TRUSTEE NGO. 3 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 4 COUNSEL LEE: TRUSTEE BERG. 5 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 6 COUNSEL LEE: TRUSTEE RIZZO. 7 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 8 COUNSEL LEE: TRUSTEE JACKSON. 9 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 10 COUNSEL LEE: AND ALL THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS 11 ARE ABSENT. 12 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: I THINK THAT TAKES US TO 13 B22, AUTHORIZATION TO SEEK A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR AND 14 ENTER INTO CONTRACT OF $8,000. 15 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 16 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: IT'S MOVED. 17 IS THERE A SECOND? 18 TRUSTEE JACKSON: SECOND. 19 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: DISCUSSION? 20 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: THERE HAS BEEN A STUDENT 21 WHO HAS COME BEFORE THE BOARD. I THINK TWICE IN THE LAST 22 TWO MONTHS REQUESTING AN IN INVESTIGATION INTO 23 INVESTIGATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN REGARDS TO HIMSELF, 24 AS WELL AS OTHER STUDENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROGRAM. 25 HIS ALLEGATION IS THAT THE STUDENT SERVICES MAY 27, 2010 149 1 ADMINISTRATION'S ADMINISTRATORS WHO LOOKED INTO THE ISSUE 2 WERE NOT AS THOROUGH OR WERE BIAS IN SOME WAY, AND SO HE 3 WOULD REQUEST AN INVESTIGATION. 4 WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO DO AN 5 INVESTIGATION BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE OUTSIDE OF 6 THE DISTRICT BY AN OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT PERSON. 7 SO THE IDEA IS IF THE BOARD WISHES TO HAVE AN 8 INVESTIGATION CONDUCTED, THEN THE BOARD HAS TO 9 SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZE DOLLARS FOR THAT INVESTIGATION. 10 IN MY OPINION, THE INVESTIGATION IS NOT 11 PARTICULARLY WARRANTED. BUT NONETHELESS, I FELT IT 12 IMPORTANT TO PUT THIS ON THERE BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO 13 INVESTIGATE THIS, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE SPECIFIC 14 AUTHORIZATION FROM THE BOARD. 15 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY DISCUSSION? 16 TRUSTEE BERG: YEAH. 17 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE BERG. 18 TRUSTEE BERG: YES, I OPPOSE THIS RESOLUTION. I 19 HEARTILY OPPOSE THIS RESOLUTION. 20 FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE IN FACT CONDUCTED AN 21 INTERNAL INVESTIGATION, HAVE WE NOT? 22 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: YES, WE HAVE. 23 TRUSTEE BERG: YES, WE HAVE. 24 SO IF THIS GENTLEMAN IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE 25 INVESTIGATION OR INVESTIGATIVE PROCEDURES OF THE COLLEGE, MAY 27, 2010 150 1 THEN I SUGGEST IF HE WANTS INVESTIGATION, THAT HE PAYS THE 2 MONEY. THIS IS $8,000 THAT WOULD BUY US AT LEAST ONE 3 CLASS AND PART OF ANOTHER CLASS. AND I DON'T SEE WHY THE 4 DISTRICT SHOULD BE PAYING HIS BILL. I THINK THAT'S 5 PATENTLY ABSURD. IF HE WANTS AN INVESTIGATION, LET HIM 6 PAY FOR IT. WE CONDUCTED OUR INVESTIGATION. WE STAND BY 7 OUR INVESTIGATION. I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE THIS DOWN. 8 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. ANY OTHER 9 DISCUSSION? 10 TRUSTEE NGO: WE NEED FOUR VOTES TO PASS IT. 11 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE WOULD NEED FOUR VOTES, 12 YEAH. 13 TRUSTEE BERG: I'M "NO" VOTE. I WILL NOT VOTE 14 FOR IT. 15 TRUSTEE NGO: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CHANCELLOR 16 HIS OPINION AGAIN GIVEN TRUSTEE BERG'S CONCERNS. 17 TRUSTEE BERG: HE SAID HE WAS AGAINST IT. 18 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I CAN NOT -- THIS SOUNDS 19 WEIRD. I DON'T SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION I HAVE HERE. BUT 20 IF I WERE TO GO OUT AND DO AN INVESTIGATION WITHOUT 21 AUTHORITY TO DO SO, HE WOULD NOT BE CORRECT. 22 THE PERSON HAS COME TWICE TO THE BOARD. TEN 23 TIMES TO MY OFFICE. I HAVE MET WITH HIM FOR A NUMBER OF 24 HOURS. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS WARRANTED, BUT IF THE 25 BOARD WANTS TO AUTHORIZE IT, THEN THEY SHOULD AUTHORIZE IT MAY 27, 2010 151 1 AND THEN I WILL GO FORWARD. 2 I DON'T REALLY SUPPORT IT. BUT I THINK THE 3 STUDENT NO DOUBT WILL BE COMING BACK TO THE BOARD ASKING 4 AGAIN FOR AN OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION. 5 TRUSTEE BERG: LET HIM PAY FOR IT. 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 7 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I GUESS I WILL MOVE TO TABLE 8 THIS UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET MORE THAN FOUR PEOPLE. 9 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 10 TRUSTEE BERG: WHY? 11 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOTION TO TABLE -- 12 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I WOULD JUST TABLE THIS UNTIL 13 NEXT MONTH. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MORE HEALTHIER 14 CONVERSATION. I AM NOT SAYING IF I AM SUPPORT OR NOT WITH 15 THIS, BUT I THINK MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS THIS -- 16 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL SECOND. 17 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YEAH. 18 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 19 TRUSTEE JACKSON: BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE. 20 I MEAN, HONESTLY, I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THIS WARRANTS AT 21 LEAST A FULL BOARD DISCUSSION, NOT JUST FOUR PEOPLE. 22 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. MOTION TO TABLE. 23 TRUSTEE JACKSON: BUT I RESPECT TRUSTEES BERG'S 24 COMMENTS REGARDING MISUSE OF MONEY. 25 TRUSTEE BERG: I AM VOTING "NO" ON THIS. MAY 27, 2010 152 1 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I DO RESPECT YOUR COMMENTS 2 ABOUT THAT. I REALLY DO. 3 TRUSTEE BERG: THANK YOU. I VOTE "NO." 4 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: IT'S A NON-DEBATABLE 5 MOTION. 6 TRUSTEE BERG: I AM JUST VOTING "NO." 7 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN 8 FAVOR OF TABLING THIS -- 9 TRUSTEE JACKSON: UNTIL NEXT MONTH. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- UNTIL NEXT MONTH. 11 TRUSTEE BERG: NO. 12 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 13 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 14 PRESIDENT MARKS: (ABSENT.) 15 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 16 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 17 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 18 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 19 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 20 TRUSTEE BERG, ARE YOU -- 21 TRUSTEE BERG: I'M OPPOSED. 22 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YOU ARE OPPOSED TO 23 TABLING? 24 TRUSTEE BERG: YES. 25 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, SO THE VOTE IS MAY 27, 2010 153 1 THREE TO ONE, SO THE MOTION TO TABLE CARRIES. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: OH, IT DOES CARRY. I THOUGHT YOU 3 NEED -- 4 COUNSEL LEE: NO, YOU NEED FOUR VOTES. 5 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, YOU NEED FOUR VOTES, 6 SO IT IS NOT TABLED. 7 THEN THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS ON THE TABLE. 8 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I WOULD MOVE TO JUST WITHDRAW 9 THIS. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THE MOTION IS MOVED. 11 AS A SECONDARY, ARE YOU WITHDRAWING YOUR SECOND? 12 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YEAH, IT'S MOOT. IF WE ARE 13 NOT GOING TO TABLE IT AND WE DON'T HAVE FOUR VOTES, 14 THERE'S NO POINT IN VOTING FOR IT. IT'S A MOOT POINT. SO 15 THERE'S NO POINT IN -- 16 TRUSTEE BERG: WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE FOUR VOTES 17 MEANS THE MOTION FAILS. THAT THE RESOLUTION FAILS. IT 18 MEANS, IT'S NOT PASSED. 19 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: BUT IF THE -- 20 TRUSTEE JACKSON: BUT I HAVE ISSUES WITH A THREE 21 TO ONE VOTE WHICH IS TECHNICALLY A MAJORITY. BUT JUST 22 BECAUSE -- ONE OF OUR TRUSTEES HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR -- 23 TRUSTEE BERG: WELL, HE IS PRESENT. SO IF 24 SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO GET HIM AND HE PLANS TO VOTE, THEN 25 THAT WOULD BE FINE. AFTER ALL, HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE MAY 27, 2010 154 1 BOARD, I THINK HE SHOULD BE PRESENT. LET HIM COME. JUST 2 GO GET HIM. 3 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 4 TRUSTEE BERG: I MEAN THE BOARD MEETING IS HERE. 5 IT'S NOT IN THE HALLWAY. 6 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AND I ACTUALLY -- I UNDERSTAND 7 THAT. 8 TRUSTEE BERG: I'M SORRY. YOU KNOW, LOOK IT'S 9 10:00 O'CLOCK. WE ARE JUST STARTING THE AGENDA. I REALLY 10 WOULD LIKE TO GO HOME BEFORE MIDNIGHT. 11 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I WAS UP FOR THE RETREAT. ALL 12 I KNOW IS THAT A THREE TO ONE VOTE THAT FAILS DOESN'T SEEM 13 RIGHT, SO EITHER WE STRIKE THIS OR WE HAVE -- 14 TRUSTEE BERG: I RESPECT THAT. THAT'S FINE. 15 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. SO WE HAVE OUR 16 FIFTH MEMBER COMING BACK. 17 SO TRUSTEE JACKSON, YOU ARE NOT WITHDRAWING YOUR 18 SECOND THEN. WE ARE ON B22. 19 (PRESIDENT MARKS REJOINS THE MEETING.) 20 TRUSTEE JACKSON: WE NEED TO SEE HOW PRESIDENT 21 MARKS FEELS ABOUT IT BECAUSE IF HE DOESN'T FEEL INCLINED, 22 IT IS STILL A MOOT POINT. 23 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, I MEAN -- 24 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I'M INDIFFERENT, BUT I JUST 25 WANT TO SEE HOW -- MAY 27, 2010 155 1 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: PROCEDURALLY, WE CAN VOTE 2 AND IT CAN FAIL OR PASS OR THE MOTION AND SECOND COULD 3 WITHDRAW THEIR MOTION AND THEN NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: CAN SOMEONE SUMMARIZE WHAT'S 5 GOING ON HERE? 6 IS THERE AN ISSUE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR 7 RESOLUTION? 8 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE BERG SAYS SHE 9 OPPOSES. AND THERE WAS ONLY FOUR OF US IN HERE AND SO -- 10 TRUSTEE BERG: WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO RESTATE MY 11 REASONS FOR OPPOSING THIS. 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: GO AHEAD, YEAH. 13 TRUSTEE BERG: I AM OPPOSED TO THIS BECAUSE THIS 14 GENTLEMAN HAS HAD A PROPER DISTRICT INVESTIGATION. IT'S 15 BEEN CONDUCTED. IT'S BEEN FINISHED. IT'S BEEN COMPLETED. 16 AND I SEE ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHY WE WOULD SPEND $8,000 17 OF OUR MONEY WHICH WOULD FUND A FULL CLASS FOR A FULL 18 SEMESTER TO PAY FOR HIS INVESTIGATION WHICH HE WANTS. IF 19 HE WANTS IT, LET HIM PAY FOR IT. THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS. 20 WE'VE CONDUCTED AN INVESTIGATION. WE HAVE IN FACT 21 COMPLETED WHAT WE ARE OBLIGATED TO DO. SO I DON'T 22 UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS EVEN ON THE AGENDA. 23 SINCE WHEN HAVE WE EVER, EVER IN OUR HISTORY 24 PAID TO CONDUCT SOMEBODY ELSE'S INVESTIGATION FOR THAT 25 PERSON. I HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AND I CAN NEVER MAY 27, 2010 156 1 REMEMBER THIS -- 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: THE REASON WHY THE 3 INVESTIGATOR IS BEING PROPOSED TO THE OUTSIDE IS THAT THE 4 PEOPLE WHO THIS STUDENT HAS ISSUES WITH ARE THE PEOPLE WHO 5 WOULD DO THE INVESTIGATION. 6 TRUSTEE BERG: THAT'S FINE. HE CAN PAY FOR HIS 7 OWN INVESTIGATION. THAT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM. THAT'S HIS. 8 WE HAVE A BONA FIDE PROCEDURE IN THIS DISTRICT THAT WE 9 CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION ALL THE TIME FOR EVERY GRIEVANCE 10 THAT COMES THROUGH THIS DISTRICT. 11 IF HE'S UNHAPPY WITH IT, THEN THAT IS HIS 12 PROBLEM AND RESPONSIBILITY. IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM TO PAY 13 $8,000 FOR HIS INVESTIGATION BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE 14 OURS -- 15 TRUSTEE JACKSON: TRUSTEE MARKS. 16 TRUSTEE BERG: -- HE SHOULD PAY FOR HIS OWN. 17 PRESIDENT MARKS: CHANCELLOR. 18 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: YES. 19 TRUSTEE JACKSON: MR. PRESIDENT. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: I JUST WANT TO -- 21 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OH, GO AHEAD. 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: -- ASK SOME QUESTIONS. YOU 23 AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS. AND 24 I'VE HAD EVEN MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THIS PARTICULAR 25 STUDENT THEN YOU AND I HAVE HAD ABOUT IT. MAY 27, 2010 157 1 MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN TERMS OF AN 2 INVESTIGATION, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN AN 3 INVESTIGATION. 4 I SAID TO YOU, HAS THE STUDENT DONE WHAT HE 5 NEEDS TO DO IN ORDER TO SEEK AN INVESTIGATION? HAS HE 6 PROPERLY MADE THE COMPLAINT? ALL I AM TRYING TO DO IS TO 7 KEEP THE PROCESS GOING. 8 I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN -- TRUSTEE BERG 9 SAYS THAT THERE'S BEEN AN INVESTIGATION. I SHOULDN'T BE 10 PURVEY TO THESE THINGS. IF THERE HAS BEEN AN 11 INVESTIGATION, AND IT GETS TO THE CHANCELLOR, AND THE 12 CHANCELLOR SAYS THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO BE, THEN FINE. 13 IF WE DON'T NEED THIS, THEN TAKE IT OFF OF THE AGENDA. 14 BUT I DON'T KNOW. I'M UNCLEAR. 15 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: HE'S ENDLESS. HE IS 16 ENDLESS IN TERMS OF HIS -- NOW HE WANTS TO INVESTIGATE 17 BOARD MEMBERS. HE WANTS TO INVESTIGATE ME BECAUSE I HAVE 18 HAD SEVERAL HOURS OF CONVERSATION WITH HIM ABOUT THIS. HE 19 WANTS TO -- TRUST ME THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO END WITH AN 20 INVESTIGATION. SO IF WE GET ENGAGED THIS WAY AROUND THIS, 21 THEN IT'S JUST GOING TO CONTINUE. 22 I'VE LOOKED AT THE RECORD. I'VE GONE THROUGH 23 WITH HIM IN DETAIL THE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS DONE OR THE, 24 HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE 25 RECORDS THAT WE HAVE. WE'VE COMBED THROUGH THEM TOGETHER. MAY 27, 2010 158 1 I'VE TAKEN OUT STUFF THAT HE'S NOT HAPPY WITH. I AM IN 2 THE PROCESS OF PUTTING IN STUFF THAT HE WANTS TO PUT INTO 3 HIS PERSONNEL FOLDER. 4 ONE DAY HE IS COMING IN, HE'S QUITE ANXIOUS. 5 THE NEXT DAY HE'S SAYING HE DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING 6 TO DO WITH ANYBODY AND SO FORTH. SO THESE ARE THE KIND OF 7 DETAILS THAT DESCRIBE ANOTHER SITUATION, NOT ONE THAT I 8 THINK WE SHOULD BE DEALING WITH. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. IF YOU -- IT SOUNDS TO 10 ME LIKE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THE PROCESS HAS RUN ITS 11 COURSE. AND IT'S BEEN AN APPROPRIATE PROCESS. AND HE'S 12 BEEN HEARD AND HE'S BEEN GIVEN WHATEVER RESOLUTION HE'S 13 ENTITLED TO. IF THAT'S WHERE WE ARE, THEN WE VOTE AGAINST 14 THIS. AND WHEN HE CALLS ME TOMORROW, I REFER HIM TO, I 15 BELIEVE, TO RON LEE. 16 NO. NO. IT'S A LEGAL THING. IF HE DOESN'T 17 THINK THIS IS GOING PROPERLY, THEN RON LEE, THE ATTORNEY, 18 SAYS YOU NEED TO PURSUE THIS OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT. 19 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: THROUGH OTHER LEGAL MEANS. 21 THAT'S FINE. 22 GO AHEAD. 23 TRUSTEE NGO: I WAS GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: PARDON ME? 25 TRUSTEE NGO: CALL THE QUESTION. MAY 27, 2010 159 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY, SO STUDENT TRUSTEE 2 NEILSEN. 3 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): I WILL 4 ABSTAIN. 5 TRUSTEE BERG: WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: WE ARE VOTING ON THIS 7 RESOLUTION. 8 TRUSTEE BERG: WAIT. WAIT. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING 10 THEY WANT -- 11 TRUSTEE BERG: DID WE VOTE ON CALLING THE 12 QUESTION? YOU HAVE TO VOTE -- 13 PRESIDENT MARKS: YOU DON'T NEED TO CALL THE 14 QUESTION IF I'M ASKING FOR THE VOTES. 15 TRUSTEE NGO: RIGHT. RIGHT. 16 TRUSTEE BERG: SO YOU ARE REMOVING IT? 17 TRUSTEE NGO: SURE. 18 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THERE WAS NO SECOND. 19 TRUSTEE BERG: OKAY. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF B22, 21 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 22 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 23 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 24 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 25 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): (ABSTAIN.) MAY 27, 2010 160 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAY "NO." 2 TRUSTEE BERG: NO. 3 TRUSTEE JACKSON: NO. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: NO. 5 TRUSTEE NGO: NO. 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY, TRUSTEE RIZZO, "NO." 7 THE OTHER FOUR OF US, "NO." 8 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: SO THE MOVER AND THE 9 SECONDER IT VOTED, "NO." WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST WITHDRAW 10 YOUR MOTION? 11 TRUSTEE NGO: DID I MOVE IT? 12 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: I THOUGHT YOU DID. 13 PRESIDENT MARKS: THAT'S ONLY TO GET IT INTO THE 14 PLACE WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS IT. 15 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YEAH. 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: IT DOESN'T SIGNIFY SUPPORT FOR 17 IT. 18 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AND PRESIDENT MARKS' ELOQUENT 19 WORDS CONVINCED ME -- 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: PARDON ME? 21 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AND PRESIDENT MARKS' ELOQUENT 22 WORDS CONVINCED ME OTHERWISE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME HUMOR 23 AT 10:15. I MEAN, WE ARE NOT HAVING A RETREAT. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: SO WE ARE ON F1. 25 IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION FOR F1, PLEASE. MAY 27, 2010 161 1 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 3 TRUSTEE JACKSON: SECOND. 4 TRUSTEE BERG: WAIT A MINUTE. WHAT HAPPENED TO 5 THIS ONE? 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: DID TRUSTEE JACKSON SECOND IT? 7 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YEAH. 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. 9 ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RESIGNATION -- 10 SORRY. 11 TRUSTEE BERG: YES. 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: -- OF MAMIE HOW. 13 TRUSTEE BERG: YES, I AM IN OPPOSITION TO THIS. 14 TRUSTEE NGO: WHAT HAPPENS IF WE VOTE IT DOWN? 15 TRUSTEE BERG: I DON'T WANT HER TO RETIRE. WHAT 16 IF WE VOTED HER DOWN? WHAT IF WE MADE HER STAY? 17 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I DON'T THINK YOU CAN FORCE 18 THEM TO STAY. 19 TRUSTEE BERG: SHE'S NOT EVEN HERE. I CAN DO IT 20 IN HER ABSENCE. 21 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- 22 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 23 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF F1, 25 PLEASE SAY "AYE." MAY 27, 2010 162 1 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 2 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 3 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 5 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 7 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 9 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING 10 THAT WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THESE PEOPLE THEIR JUST AND 11 DESERVED TRIBUTE NEXT MONTH. 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: NEXT MONTH, RIGHT. 13 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 14 PRESIDENT MARKS: HOW WOULD PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT -- 15 TRUSTEE NGO: I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: -- DOING F1, F2, F3, F4, F5, 17 AND F6 -- NO, NO, NOT F6, THAT'S AN APPOINTMENT. 18 TRUSTEE JACKSON: JUST F1-F5, I WILL MOVE. 19 TRUSTEE NGO: F2-F5. 20 TRUSTEE JACKSON: F2-F5, YEAH, I WILL SECOND 21 THAT. 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I THINK 23 THERE WERE TWO THAT WERE ADDED, WEREN'T THERE? 24 TRUSTEE BERG: RIGHT. 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: OR ARE THOSE IN HERE? MAY 27, 2010 163 1 TRUSTEE NGO: 11 AND 12. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: 11 AND 12. 3 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE F2-F5 AND F11 AND 12. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 5 TRUSTEE NGO: I WOULD APPRECIATE A SECOND. 6 TRUSTEE JACKSON: SECOND. 7 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: TRUSTEE JACKSON SECONDS. 9 ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS MASSIVE BLOCK OF 10 RETIREMENTS? 11 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 12 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 13 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF F2-F5 14 AND F11 AND 12, PLEASE SAY "AYE." 15 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 16 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 17 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 18 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 19 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 20 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 21 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 23 THOSE HAVE PASSED. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: MR. PRESIDENT, MAY I MOVE F6, F8 25 AND F9 TOGETHER? MAY 27, 2010 164 1 TRUSTEE JACKSON: SECOND. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: SO TRUSTEE NGO MOVED F6, F7 -- 3 TRUSTEE NGO: NO. F6, F8 AND F9. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: F6, F8, AND F9. SORRY. AND 5 SECONDED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 6 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YES. 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: RODGER, ARE YOU COMING UP TO 8 SPEAK ON THESE THINGS OR SOMETHING ELSE? 9 MR. SCOTT: SOMETHING ELSE. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: SO STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN, ON 11 F6, F8, AND F9. 12 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 13 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF F6, F8 14 AND F9, PLEASE SAY "AYE." 15 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 16 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 17 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 18 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 19 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 20 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 21 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 23 CAN SOMEONE MOVE F7 OR HAS IT BEEN ALREADY DONE? 24 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT. 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. MAY 27, 2010 165 1 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 3 RODGER SCOTT. 4 MR. SCOTT: WELL -- 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING 6 ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE? 7 MR. SCOTT: (INAUDIBLE.) 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: YES, IT IS. 9 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: YES, SIR. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: RIGHT IN TIME. 11 MR. SCOTT: GOOD EVENING, RODGER SCOTT. 12 I'VE WORKED FOR PROBABLY NINE YEARS NOW WITH 13 DR. HENRY AUGUSTINE. AND IT'S AN HONOR TO SPEAK ON HIS 14 BEHALF. ADMINISTRATORS HAVEN'T ALWAYS BEEN MY FAVORITE 15 CLASS OF PEOPLE. HOWEVER, I FIND HIM TO BE A PERSON OF 16 GREAT INTELLIGENCE, HUMANITY AND IMAGINATION. AND I THINK 17 HE'S DONE AS GOOD A JOB AS ANYBODY I KNOW OF MEETING THE 18 EDUCATIONAL AND HUMAN NEEDS OF OUR STUDENTS. 19 AND I HAVE TO SAY ON A PERSONAL NOTE ALSO, 20 NOBODY, NO SUPERVISOR OR ADMINISTRATOR HAS EVER TREATED ME 21 AS WELL AS DR. AUGUSTINE HAS. 22 SO I THINK IT'S A COMMENTARY ON YOUR GOOD 23 JUDGEMENT THAT YOU ARE APPOINTING HIM INTERIM DEAN AT THE 24 EVANS CAMPUS. THE ONLY DRAWBACK IS MAYBE IT SHOULDN'T BE 25 INTERIM DEAN, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER BATTLE. THANK YOU. MAY 27, 2010 166 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 2 ANY OTHER COMMENTS? 3 IF NOT -- 4 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: TRUSTEE RIZZO. 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: I WASN'T AWARE THAT THIS 7 POSITION WAS VACANT. DID THE PREVIOUS DEAN LEAVE OR -- 8 TRUSTEE NGO: SHE WAS REASSIGNED TO THE -- 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: REASSIGNED. 10 TRUSTEE NGO: AS AN ADMINISTRATOR UNDER THE 11 POLICY RESEARCH OFFICE. 12 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: POLICY RESEARCH OFFICE? 13 TRUSTEE NGO: YES. 14 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 15 HOW LONG OF AN INTERIM POSITION WOULD THIS BE? 16 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: LESS THAN A YEAR. THE 17 INTENTION IS TO HAVE IN THE FALL THAT'S COMING UP THE 18 PERMANENT JOB ANNOUNCEMENT OUT FOR THIS POSITION AS WELL 19 AS MANY OF THESE OTHERS THAT ARE INTERIM. 20 BY THE WAY, HENRY AUGUSTINE IS AN EXISTING 21 ADMINISTRATOR. HE IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN 22 RETENTION SCHOLASTIC PROGRAM I SHOULD SAY AND HAS BEEN AN 23 ADMINISTRATOR FOR I WANT TO SAY SEVEN YEARS HERE. 24 MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE: EIGHT. 25 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: EIGHT YEARS. AND THIS IS MAY 27, 2010 167 1 ESSENTIALLY PROVIDING HIM A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY TAKE ON TWO 2 RESPONSIBILITIES TO CONTINUE TO BE SORT OF LIKE THE 3 DIRECTOR OF A LITTLE BIT LESS, BUT ALMOST THE SAME 4 RESPONSIBILITY AS DIRECTOR, BUT ALSO TAKE ON THE INTERIM 5 RESPONSIBILITY AS DEAN OF EVANS CAMPUS. IT'S WHAT WE CALL 6 A TWOFER. 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: TRUSTEE JACKSON. 8 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AND I AM GOING TO BE 9 SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MOTION. AND I DO KNOW THAT EVANS 10 CAMPUS, ALONG WITH SOUTHEAST CAMPUS, HAS A LOT OF 11 CHALLENGES TO IT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL TO THESE 12 TWO CAMPUSES. AND I DEFINITELY HOPE THAT WHEN WE GO OUT 13 FOR THE WIDER SEARCH OF THE PERMANENT DEAN THAT WE DO A 14 VERY WIDE AND DEEP SEARCH, ESPECIALLY FROM WITHIN THE 15 SURROUNDING COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE ARE VERY TALENTED 16 FOLKS. 17 AND EVEN IF IT IS OUR INTENT TO PICK 18 DR. AUGUSTINE AS A PERMANENT DEAN OF EVANS CAMPUS, I STILL 19 THINK THE IDEAS THAT WE COULD GET FROM HAVING A WIDE AND 20 DEEP SEARCH FROM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OR HOW TO IMPROVE 21 THAT CAMPUS AND HOW TO MAKE THAT CAMPUS MORE 22 REPRESENTATIVE OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S 23 BEEN A VERY BIG -- THAT'S BEEN A VERY BIG, YOU KNOW, BONE 24 OF CONTENTION WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT EVANS CAMPUS DOES 25 NOT LOOK LIKE THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY THAT IT'S SUPPOSED MAY 27, 2010 168 1 TO SERVE. 2 AND I REALLY DO HOPE THAT WHEN WE DO HAVE THE 3 SEARCH FOR THE PERMANENT DEAN THAT WE REALLY REACH OUT, 4 ENTICE FOLKS FROM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. NOT JUST THE 5 CAMPUS COMMUNITY, BUT THE REAL COMMUNITY TO APPLY FOR THIS 6 DEAN POSITION BECAUSE I THINK THAT HAVING A LARGE 7 VOCATIONAL TRAINING CENTER IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAS 8 45 PERCENT UNEMPLOYMENT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND, YOU 9 KNOW, IT MUST HAVE MORE FOLKS FROM THAT COMMUNITY IN THAT 10 CAMPUS. AND WE NEED SOMEONE WITH THE ENERGY AND THE 11 VISION AND THE IMAGINATION TO GET THOSE FOLKS IN THERE. 12 SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS INTERIM DEANSHIP. 13 AND I DEFINITELY HOPE THAT THIS IS A FIRST STEP OF MOVING 14 THIS CAMPUS FORWARD. THANK YOU. 15 TRUSTEE BERG: HAVE WE VOTED ON THIS? 16 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WE HAVE NOT VOTED ON THIS, 17 NO. 18 PRESIDENT MARKS: NO. 19 SO STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN ON -- 20 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 21 PRESIDENT MARKS: -- F7. 22 AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF F7, PLEASE SAY "AYE." 23 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 24 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 25 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. MAY 27, 2010 169 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 3 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 4 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 6 F7 PASSES. 7 IF I COULD HAVE A -- 8 TRUSTEE NGO: F10. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: YES. 10 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT. 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 12 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 13 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 14 I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IS THERE ANY STATE LAW 15 THAT LIMITS THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS SOMEBODY CAN HAVE -- 16 THERE'S SLASHES INSTRUCTIONAL, CURRICULUM, TENURE REVIEW, 17 FACULTY EVALUATION, AND NOW EDUCATIONAL TECHNOLOGY, IT'S 18 SO MANY THINGS. I KNOW TOM WAS HERE EARLIER. 19 MR. TETI: THE FIRST SEVEN ALL GO TOGETHER. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: PARDON ME? 21 MR. TETI: THE FIRST SEVEN ALL GO TOGETHER. 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY, ALL THOSE GO TOGETHER. 23 MR. TETI: I CALL HIM THE DEAN OF SEVEN THINGS. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: THAT'S A LOT OF THINGS. 25 OKAY, ANY DISCUSSION ON F10? MAY 27, 2010 170 1 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF F10, PLEASE SAY, "AYE." 2 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 3 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 4 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 7 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 8 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 9 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 11 IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION FOR P1, PLEASE. 12 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT. 13 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 14 TRUSTEE NGO: I WOULD APPRECIATE A SECOND. 15 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 16 TRUSTEE NGO: THANK YOU. 17 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 18 TRUSTEE NGO, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT 19 THIS? 20 TRUSTEE NGO: YES. THIS POLICY WAS INTRODUCED 21 LAST FALL AND HAS BEEN HEARD FINALLY IN THE POLICY 22 IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE WITH FEEDBACK FROM SHARED 23 GOVERNANCE. AND IN FACT SHARED GOVERNANCE HAS PROVIDED 24 SOME VERY SPECIFIC EDITS TO IT. THIS IS THE FIRST 25 READING. I HOPE TO BRING IT BACK FOR A SECOND TIME NEXT MAY 27, 2010 171 1 MONTH AND WOULD URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO ADOPT IT. BUT FOR 2 NOW THIS IS JUST A FIRST READING, AND IT WILL BE HEARD 3 AGAIN. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: DOES ANYONE HAVE COMMENTS? 5 IF NOT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF P1, PLEASE SAY 6 "AYE." 7 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 8 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 9 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 10 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 11 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 12 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 13 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 14 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: P1 PASSES. 16 Q1. 17 COULD I HAVE A MOTION ON Q1, PLEASE? 18 SOMEBODY? 19 I NEED A MOTION. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT. 20 TRUSTEE JACKSON: SO MOVED. 21 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 22 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WE NEED A SECOND. 23 TRUSTEE NGO: SECOND. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 25 ANY DISCUSSION ON Q1? MAY 27, 2010 172 1 IF NOT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF Q1, PLEASE SAY 2 "AYE." 3 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 4 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 5 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 7 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 8 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 9 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 10 STUDENT TRUSTEE NIELSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 12 Q1 PASSES. 13 S1, SOMEONE MOVE IT. 14 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 16 COUNSEL LEE: IF I MAY PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT, 17 THERE WAS A TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR. 18 PRESIDENT MARKS: IN S1? 19 COUNSEL LEE: IN S1, YES. ON PAGE 77, UNDER 20 "INACTIVE CARDS AND CREDIT LIMIT," THERE'S ANOTHER ONE 21 THAT SHOULD BE NUMBERED 2563 INACTIVE FOR $1,000. AND 22 THEN IT ADDS UP TO 28,500. 23 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AND I HAVE A COMMENT. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: TRUSTEE JACKSON. 25 TRUSTEE JACKSON: IS THERE ANY REASON WHY IT'S A MAY 27, 2010 173 1 CREDIT CARD AND IT'S NOT JUST A DEBIT CARD WITH MONEY IN 2 IT BECAUSE MY KNOWLEDGE IS THAT CREDIT CARDS CARRY 3 INTEREST RATES. 4 CFO BILMONT: SURE. 5 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AND A DEBIT CARD WOULD JUST BE 6 JUST LIKE A POOL OF MONEY. 7 CFO BILMONT: I CAN ANSWER THAT. 8 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OKAY, GO AHEAD. 9 CFO BILMONT: JOHN BILMONT, CHIEF FINANCIAL 10 OFFICER. 11 SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE TODAY IS A 12 RESOLUTION. IT'S ESSENTIALLY A CLEAN-UP RESOLUTION JUST 13 FORMALIZING A PROCESS THAT, THROUGH THE BOARD, HAS BEEN IN 14 PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. UNDER THE PREVIOUS 15 CHANCELLOR'S ADMINISTRATION, THIS WAS HANDLED DIRECTLY 16 THROUGH THE THEN PREVIOUS CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. AND IN 17 ANTICIPATION OF THIS YEAR'S AUDIT, I PUT THIS RESOLUTION 18 TOGETHER JUST SO WE COULD GET THIS STUFF SQUARED AWAY AND 19 APPROVED THROUGH THE BOARD. 20 TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THEY ARE DEBIT CARDS 21 DRAWN DIRECTLY AGAINST THE LINE OF CREDIT THAT'S 22 ESTABLISHED HERE. THEY DO NOT CARRY INTEREST RATES. 23 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OH, OKAY. 24 CFO BILMONT: OKAY, BUT GOOD QUESTION. 25 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OKAY. MAY 27, 2010 174 1 CFO BILMONT: IN THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION, I 2 SUBMITTED IT DID HAVE THE OMISSION INCLUDED THAT COUNSELOR 3 LEE POINTED OUT, BUT SOMEHOW IN THE EDIT PROCESS, IT GOT 4 ELIMINATED AGAIN. 5 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THE RESOLUTION SAYS, 7 "LINE OF CREDIT OR CREDIT CARDS." THOSE TWO THINGS ARE 8 NOT THE SAME THING. A LINE OF CREDIT IS NOT THE SAME AS A 9 CREDIT CARD IN THE RESOLVED CLAUSE. 10 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: SHOULD HAVE SAID, "CREDIT 11 LIMIT." 12 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YEAH, THE FIRST RESOLVED SAYS, 13 "LINE OF CREDIT 28,500 OR CREDIT CARDS WITH WELLS FARGO 14 BANK." 15 CFO BILMONT: I WOULD JUST STRIKE THE CREDIT 16 CARDS THEN AND LEAVE IT AS THE LINE OF CREDIT. I MEAN, 17 ESSENTIALLY IT DRAWS DOWN DIRECTLY AGAINST THE BANK. IT 18 IS LIMITED TO 28,500 IN TOTAL TO BE ALLOCATED BASED ON THE 19 BOARD DESIGNATION. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO MOVE 21 TO -- 22 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE TO AMEND THAT 23 ACCORDINGLY. 24 CFO BILMONT: THANK YOU. 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. MAY 27, 2010 175 1 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD 2 CLARIFICATION. 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: WOULD YOU LIKE TO SECOND THAT? 4 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: NO, I WOULDN'T. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: WELL, WE THEN WE CAN'T DO 6 ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNLESS WE HAVE A SECOND. 7 COUNSEL LEE: SHOULD IT SAY, "FOR DEBIT CARDS" 8 AS OPPOSED TO -- "FOR THE LINE OF CREDIT OF 28,500 FOR 9 DEBIT CARDS" BECAUSE YOU SAID IT WAS A DEBIT CARD. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: A LINE OF CREDIT IS ALSO 11 NOT A DEBIT CARD. 12 COUNSEL LEE: BUT THIS IS A DEBIT CARD THOUGH, 13 RIGHT? 14 TRUSTEE BERG: CAN I SPEAK? 15 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: A LINE OF CREDIT IS A 16 LOAN. 17 COUNSEL LEE: YEAH. 18 TRUSTEE BERG: WELL, I WANT TO SPEAK. 19 PRESIDENT MARKS: LET JOHN BILMONT SPEAK, 20 TRUSTEE BERG. 21 CFO BILMONT: I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: GO AHEAD. 23 TRUSTEE BERG: THE LINE OF CREDIT I WOULD ASSUME 24 MEANS UP TO WHAT POINT YOU CAN CHARGE ON THAT CREDIT CARD. 25 CFO BILMONT: IT'S THE CREDIT LIMIT. MAY 27, 2010 176 1 TRUSTEE BERG: BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE A $2,000 2 CREDIT OR YOU CAN HAVE A $22,000 CREDIT, SO THAT'S THE WAY 3 I READ THAT. IT WAS THAT THIS IS APPROVING A CREDIT CARD 4 UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY WHICH IS IN EFFECT A LINE 5 OF CREDIT FOR THAT CREDIT CAR. I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT 6 YOU MEANT. 7 CFO BILMONT: I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR 8 INTERPRETATION. 9 TRUSTEE BERG: I'M SORRY. 10 CFO BILMONT: I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR 11 INTERPRETATION. I THINK YOU ARE CORRECT. YOU COULD READ 12 IT THAT WAY ALSO, WHICH WAS THE INTENT. 13 TRUSTEE JACKSON: CAN I ASK -- 14 PRESIDENT MARKS: YES. 15 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 16 I MEAN, THE PRACTICE I AM USED TO IS SOMEONE 17 BUYS SOMETHING, THEY SEE THE RECEIPT AND THEN THEY ARE 18 JUST REIMBURSED BASED OFF THE RECEIPT. 19 IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH THAT AS OPPOSED TO JUST 20 HAVING THE CARDS? 21 I MEAN, PART OF IT IS I WOULD LOVE US JUST TO 22 HAVE DEBIT CARDS AND THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY COOL. THAT 23 WOULD BE GREAT. BUT IS THERE ANY PROBLEM WITH JUST BUYING 24 IT, BUYING WHAT WE NEED AND THEN THE PERSON JUST SUBMITS A 25 RECEIPT AND THEN THEY ARE JUST REIMBURSED IN THEIR NEXT MAY 27, 2010 177 1 CHECK. I KNOW AT MY JOB THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO. 2 IS THERE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? 3 CFO BILMONT: I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY -- 4 THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. AS I SAID 5 EARLIER, THIS WAS A -- 6 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I KNOW IT'S CLEAN UP, SO I 7 KNOW -- 8 CFO BILMONT: IT'S A SET OF PURCHASING 9 ACTIVITIES THAT CARRIED OVER. 10 THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT DO NEED -- WELL, SOME 11 PEOPLE DO USE LIKE KATHY WHITE, I MEAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE 12 THAT SHE WOULD BUY UP TO $4,000 IN SUPPLIES FOR THE CHILD 13 DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AND THEN SUBMIT IT AS INDIVIDUAL 14 REIMBURSEMENTS. 15 YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW 16 THIS THESE DEBIT CARDS FACILITATE BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS AT 17 A LEVEL THAT PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE CARING THAT KIND OF MONEY 18 AROUND OR EVEN MAINTAINING THEIR OWN LINES OF CREDIT THAT 19 WAY. SO IN THAT SENSE, I THINK IT WAS OKAY TO HAVE THESE 20 CARDS. 21 TRUSTEE NGO: POINT OF ORDER. WAS MY AMENDED 22 WAS NOT SECONDED? 23 I AM NOT SURE. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: IT WASN'T SECONDED. 25 TRUSTEE NGO: IT WAS NOT. MAY 27, 2010 178 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: NO. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY, THANK YOU. 3 TRUSTEE JACKSON: MAY I SPEAK? 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: GO AHEAD. 5 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I GUESS I WOULD FEEL MORE 6 COMFORTABLE IF IT JUST SAID, "DEBIT CARD." 7 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: MAY I SPEAK TO THAT? 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: YES. 9 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR 10 ABOUT ONE ISSUE. I DID NOT USE A CREDIT CARD. I DON'T 11 CHARGE TO CREDIT CARDS AS FAR AS THE DISTRICT IS 12 CONCERNED. AND I DON'T USE ONE. I DON'T THINK I'VE USED 13 ONE -- 14 CFO BILMONT: SINCE YOU'VE GOT ON BOARD HERE. 15 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: SO I DON'T KNOW WHY I AM 16 INACTIVE OR OFF THIS LIST. 17 CFO BILMONT: I WILL START OVER BECAUSE THE 18 BOARD COULD CERTAINLY AMEND THIS RESOLUTION. HISTORICALLY 19 AT THE INSTITUTION, THE CREDIT CARDS WERE JUST SET UP AND 20 HANDLED THROUGH THE PREVIOUS CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. 21 GOING THROUGH FOR THIS YEAR'S AUDIT, I DECIDED 22 TO PUT THIS RESOLUTION FORWARD AND PUT IT TO THE BOARD 23 THAT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE THAT STRUCTURE. 24 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN, THE PREVIOUS CHANCELLOR'S 25 CREDIT AUTHORIZATION JUST TRANSFERRED OVER TO YOU. AND I MAY 27, 2010 179 1 KNOW THAT YOU DON'T USE IT. BUT IN TERMS OF THIS 2 RESOLUTION, THIS HAS BEEN PUT OUT THERE. 3 KATHLEEN WHITE DOES USE HER CREDIT CARD OR DEBIT 4 CARD. 5 LESLIE. 6 MS. SMITH: I USE MINE. 7 8 CFO BILMONT: LESLIE, I IMAGINE YOU USE YOURS. 9 AND SO I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE BOARD 10 TO REAFFIRM THESE LIMITS SINCE IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN DEALT 11 WITH FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: CAN I JUST ASK DON A QUESTION 13 FOR A SECOND? 14 IN THE FIRST RESOLVED, AND MAYBE SOMEBODY 15 POINTED THIS OUT ALREADY AND I JUST MISSED IT. IT SAYS, 16 "28,500." BUT ISN'T IT ACTUALLY "19,250" FOR THESE FIVE 17 CREDIT CARDS. 18 CFO BILMONT: NO. THE AMOUNT, THE MAXIMUM DEBIT 19 LIMIT IN ANY CYCLE IS 28,500, WHAT WE ARE CALLING 20 CURRENTLY THE LINE OF CREDIT. 19,250 OF THAT IS ACTIVE 21 AND THEN 9,250 IS INACTIVE. 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: ARE WE AUTHORIZING THOSE 23 INACTIVE CREDIT LIMITS? 24 NO, WE ARE TAKING THEM AWAY, AREN'T WE? 25 CFO BILMONT: YOU ARE REAFFIRMING THEM AS MAY 27, 2010 180 1 INACTIVE. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: AS INACTIVE? 3 CFO BILMONT: YOU ARE REAFFIRMING THEM AS 4 INACTIVE, YES. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. 6 CFO BILMONT: IF WE CANCEL THEM -- 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: RIGHT. 8 CFO BILMONT: -- THEN THE OVERALL AUTHORIZATION 9 LIMIT WILL DROP FROM 28,500 TO 19,250. THIS IS HOW THIS 10 PROCESS WORKS WITH WELLS FARGO BANK. 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: I AM NOT CERTAIN THAT I -- 12 THAT WAS A TECHNICALITY. I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND 13 SOMETHING. 14 I AM NOT QUITE CERTAIN THAT I UNDERSTAND THE 15 CONCERN THAT SOME MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ARE EXPRESSING 16 ABOUT THESE FIVE CREDIT CARDS. AND MAYBE IF WE COULD HEAR 17 WHY PEOPLE -- I DIDN'T THINK THIS ITEM WAS GOING TO HAVE 18 THIS EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION, SO WHAT ARE THE ISSUES AROUND 19 THESE PARTICULAR CREDIT CARDS? 20 TRUSTEE NGO: MAY I? 21 YOU MEAN US OR -- 22 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I HAVE ANOTHER. 23 PRESIDENT MARKS: I KNOW. TRUSTEE NGO, DID HAVE 24 HIS HAND UP. 25 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I KNOW. THAT'S FINE. MAY 27, 2010 181 1 TRUSTEE NGO: I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THEM 2 TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT POLICY 3 GOVERNS WHO HAS THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHY KATHLEEN WHITE HAS 4 ONE AND NOT SOME OTHER DEPARTMENT CHAIR. 5 I UNDERSTAND LESLIE SMITH HAS ONE. I UNDERSTAND 6 WHY DON GRIFFIN HAS ONE AND MARTHA HAS ONE AND TONI HAS 7 ONE. THERE'S NO RHYME OR REASONS TO WHY KATHLEEN HAS ONE 8 OR WHY ANYONE ELSE SHOULDN'T BE ON HERE. AND I AM SO 9 UPSET THAT WE ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH WELLS FARGO. 10 TRUSTEE JACKSON: THANK YOU. 11 TRUSTEE NGO: GIVEN THAT THEY TRIED TO LOBBY 12 AGAINST THE PELL GRANTS IN CONGRESS. 13 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YES. YES. YES. 14 TRUSTEE NGO: BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- THERE'S 15 NO COHERENCY TO WHO HAS THEM AND WHY WE HAVE THEM. I 16 DON'T -- THAT'S ONE POINT. 17 THE SECOND POINT IS I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY 18 ISSUE OF WHETHER IT'S CALLED A DEBIT CARD OR A LINE OF 19 CREDIT OR WHATEVER. IT'S AUTHORIZING PARTICULAR 20 INDIVIDUALS, NO BASIS IN POLICY OR RATIONALE WHATSOEVER TO 21 MAKE THE DISTRICT VIABLE FOR PURCHASES UP TO A CERTAIN 22 AMOUNT. THAT'S BASICALLY IT. 23 SO MY ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE DISTINCTIONS THAT 24 TRUSTEE RIZZO AND JACKSON MADE. IT'S WHY WE HAVE A POLICY 25 LIKE THIS AND WHY THIS PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT CHAIR AND NO MAY 27, 2010 182 1 OTHER DEPARTMENT CHAIRS DO. 2 CFO BILMONT: WELL, TRUSTEE NGO, THERE IS NO 3 POLICY, WHICH IS WHY I AM BRINGING THIS RESOLUTION 4 FORWARD. 5 AGAIN, THIS IS A SET OF EXTENT CIRCUMSTANCES 6 FROM THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION THAT I HAVE NOW PUT 7 BEFORE THE BOARD FOR TREATMENT. MAYBE AT THIS POINT, THE 8 BEST THING TO DO IS PULL THE RESOLUTION AND -- 9 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: CAN I ADD SOMETHING? 10 CFO BILMONT: PLEASE. 11 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: IN THE CASE OF KATHY WHITE, YOU 12 ARE RIGHT. THAT IS THE ONLY DEPARTMENT CHAIR WHOSE NAME 13 APPEARS HERE. 14 AS I RECALL, THEY DIDN'T ALWAYS HAVE IT, BUT 15 WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO US WAS THAT A HARDSHIP WAS 16 DEVELOPING, NOT FOR MS. WHITE, BUT FOR THE OTHER FACULTY I 17 BELIEVE IN HER DEPARTMENT WHO HAVE TO ORDER FOOD ON A 18 REGULAR BASIS WHERE THEY ARE REQUIRED TO SERVE IT IN THE 19 CHILD CARE CENTERS. AND THEY WERE LAYING OUT THEIR OWN 20 MONEY AND GETTING REIMBURSED. AND THEIR DEAN ADVOCATED 21 FOR THEM, CAN'T WE SOMEHOW GET THESE FOLKS A CREDIT CARD 22 SO THEY ARE NOT CONSTANTLY LAYING OUT THEIR MONEY FOR FOOD 23 FOR THE CHILD CARE CENTERS. THAT'S THE HISTORY BEHIND 24 THAT CARD. 25 TRUSTEE NGO: I MEAN I GUESS MY CONTENTION IS I MAY 27, 2010 183 1 AM SURE THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE HARDSHIPS AS WELL. AND WE 2 ARE SPENDING MONEY ON SUPPLIES WHATNOT. THAT'S NOT AN 3 ISSUE OF CREDIT CARDS. IT'S AN ISSUE OF WHETHER WE ARE 4 PROPERLY FUNDING A DEPARTMENT. 5 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: NO, THEY WEREN'T ASKING FOR 6 MORE MONEY. THEY WERE ASKING FOR A MECHANISM SO THAT THEY 7 COULD GET THE FOOD -- 8 TRUSTEE NGO: BUT IT'S THE DISTRICT'S CREDIT, 9 RIGHT? 10 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: YES. 11 TRUSTEE NGO: WE ARE MAKING THE DISTRICT LIABLE 12 FOR THESE FUNDS. THEY ARE NOT PAYING THESE OUT OF POCKET, 13 WHICH IS WHY THEY ASKED FOR THE CARDS. 14 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: RIGHT, BUT THE DISTRICT WILL BE 15 PAYING EITHER WAY. 16 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH, I KNOW, WHICH IS WHY I AM 17 SAYING THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT WE NEED -- IT'S 18 NOT AN ISSUE OF WHETHER THEY HAVE CREDIT CARDS, IT'S 19 ACTUALLY WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE PROPERLY FUNDED. MAYBE 20 THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF AN ACCOUNT FOR THEM FOR THESE 21 FUNDS. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT 22 CHAIR WOULD HAVE -- I KNOW NOW. 23 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: RIGHT. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: BUT WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO APPLY 25 A POLICY. IF HARDSHIP IS THE POLICY, THEN LET'S TAKE THAT MAY 27, 2010 184 1 AS A POLICY. IF IT'S SOMETHING ELSE, WE SHOULD PROBABLY 2 MAKE IT CLEAR. SIMILARLY FOR THESE OTHER INDIVIDUALS. 3 I CAN SEE WHY WE USED THEM FOR THESE PARTICULAR 4 INDIVIDUALS, BUT LET'S OPERATIONALIZE IT IN SOME WAY SO 5 THAT SOME DEAN CAN'T PETITION FOR A CREDIT CARD. 6 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: SURE. 7 TRUSTEE NGO: AND THEY ARE MAKING IT 8 DISTRICT-WIDE FOR CHARGES JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT 9 HAPPENED. 10 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: RIGHT. 11 TRUSTEE NGO: AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. 12 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: YOU CAN SEE FROM THE RATHER 13 SHORT LIST THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVING THESE OUT TO 14 PEOPLE. 15 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY. 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: TRUSTEE JACKSON AND THEN RYAN. 17 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AND MY MAIN WANTING TO LOOK AT 18 THIS WAS FIRST THE CREDIT CARD ISSUE, BUT THAT'S BEEN 19 RELEGATED. 20 BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT WE 21 ARE GOING TO POTENTIALLY GO OUT FOR A PARCEL TAX, YOU KNOW 22 THE MEDIA IS GOING TO LOOK AT ANY RECEIPT, ANY CUP OF 23 SUGAR, ANYTHING TO FIND US LIABLE FOR SOMETHING SO THEY 24 COULD PUT IT IN THE FRONT PAGE OF THE PAPER SAYING, HEY, 25 YOU KNOW DISTRICT BUYS PIZZA ON DISTRICT FUNDS. I'M MAY 27, 2010 185 1 ACTUALLY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF GOING OUT 2 FOR A PARCEL TAX AND THEN OUR RECEIPTS, WHICH WE HAVE TO 3 ADMIT IN THE PAST WE HAVEN'T BEEN SO GOOD AT KEEPING SOME 4 OF THESE THINGS AND THEN HAVING THIS TYPE OF PURCHASE. 5 SO I MEAN THE CREDIT CARD PART IS SOMETHING THAT 6 GETS TO ME, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY SAID THAT THAT'S NOT THE 7 CASE. 8 WELLS FARGO, CLEARLY, WE SHOULD BE SHOPPING AT A 9 CREDIT UNION. BUT I JUST KIND OF THINK WE SHOULD JUST PUT 10 IT INTO THEIR ACCOUNT. AND THEY SHOULD JUST GET 11 REIMBURSED. I THINK THAT'S A MUCH SIMPLER PROCESS. 12 BUT IF IT IS HARDSHIP, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE 13 TRUSTEE NGO. IT SHOULD REALLY BE IN THEIR BUDGET, THEIR 14 FOOD BUDGET. 15 CFO BILMONT: I DON'T WANT TO OVERLY ADVOCATE 16 FOR THIS RESOLUTION OR NOT -- 17 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YEAH. 18 CFO BILMONT: -- IT'S SIMPLY IN FRONT OF YOU SO 19 THAT THE BOARD CAN ACTUALLY BEGIN TO OPERATIONALIZE IT. 20 BUT IN THE CASE OF CHILD DEVELOPMENT AND IN TERMS IF YOU 21 DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT HARDSHIP, RATHER THAN -- I THINK 22 ACTUALLY THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE MAJOR AREAS WHERE THEY 23 WOULD FIND IT MOST DIFFICULT TO GET SOME OF THE SIMPLE 24 SUPPLIES THAT THEY NEED AT AN IMMEDIATE BASIS. AND THAT 25 IS WHY THEY HAVE THAT PARTICULAR CARD. MAY 27, 2010 186 1 I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE JUST HAD AN OPEN 2 ACCOUNT AT SAFEWAY. AND THEY MIGHT HAVE TO SHOP AT 3 SAFEWAY ALL THE TIME, WHAT IF THEY NEEDED TO SHOP 4 SOMEWHERE ELSE? I MEAN THESE ARE SOME OF THE KIND OF 5 THINGS THAT THEY HAVE BROUGHT BACK TO THE DISTRICT 6 BUSINESS OFFICE AS ISSUES FOR THEM AS THEY TRY TO SERVE 7 THEIR BASE OF CHILDREN. 8 TRUSTEE NGO: WE COULD DEBATE THIS FOR A WHILE 9 IN TERMS OF WHETHER OPERATION IS ONE WAY TO DO IT OR IT 10 SHOULD BE MANAGED DIFFERENTLY FROM THE DEPARTMENT'S POINT 11 OF VIEW. 12 I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REVISE 13 THIS RESOLUTION IF POSSIBLE. 14 TRUSTEE BERG: I ACTUALLY WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR 15 OF THIS BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID. FIRST OF 16 ALL, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO KEEP TRACK OF HOW YOU SPEND MONEY 17 WHEN YOU HAVE A CREDIT CARD BILL THAT'S COMING IN AND 18 ITEMIZED EVERY WEEK. 19 AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO INVESTIGATE US AND YOU 20 GOT TO GO START LOOKING AROUND FOR RECEIPTS AND YOU CAN'T 21 FIND THEM, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY ARE HIDING IT. THEY 22 KNEW THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG AND THEY ARE HIDING IT. SO 23 I THINK YOU RUN A MUCH GREATER RISK OF INVESTIGATION WHEN 24 YOU DON'T HAVE ACCURATE RECORDS. THAT'S FIRST OF ALL. 25 SECONDLY, IN DEFENSE OF SOME OF THESE MAY 27, 2010 187 1 DEPARTMENTS, IT'S REALLY NOT FAIR TO ASK THEM TO LAY OUT, 2 WHAT AMOUNTS TO SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS A WEEK OR TWO 3 WEEKS. IF THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR CHILD CARE FOOD EVERY 4 SINGLE DAY, THAT'S NOT JUST ONE MEAL. IT'S LUNCH. IT'S 5 SNACKS IN THE MORNING. IT'S SNACKS IN THE AFTERNOON. AND 6 PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY. THEY DON'T HAVE A 7 $100 EXTRA OR $200 EXTRA. WE CAN'T EXPECT THEM TO DO 8 THAT. 9 IT'S MUCH BETTER TO FOLLOW THE EXPENSES THIS WAY 10 AND TO HAVE AN ACCOUNT THIS WAY THEN IT IS FOR SOMEBODY TO 11 HAVE CASH SOMEWHERE. 12 WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE 13 THEM A POT OF CASH AND THEN IT'S GOING TO HAVE -- I THINK 14 THAT'S FAR TRICKIER. I ALSO THINK IT'S FAR MORE DANGEROUS 15 AND MUCH LESS ACCOUNTABLE. 16 SO I WOULD REALLY ARGUE THAT THIS IS THE SAFEST 17 WAY TO DO THIS. AND ALSO THE FAIREST WAY FOR US TO DO IT 18 FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. 19 CFO BILMONT: THANK YOU. 20 MR. VANDERPOL: I FEEL VERY, VERY STRONGLY THAT 21 WE GET THE ASSOCIATE DEAN OF STUDENT ACTIVITIES ON ONE OF 22 THESE CREDIT CARDS. FOR THE MARCH IN MARCH, WHICH IS THE 23 SHIRT THAT I AM WEARING. I SPENT $1300 OUT OF MY OWN 24 POCKET FOR FOOD. 25 BASICALLY, IF WE WANT TO SPEND ON SOMETHING, WE MAY 27, 2010 188 1 HAVE TO GET 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE -- THREE WEEKS IN ADVANCE. 2 WE HAVE TO SUBMIT A CASH ORDER FORM. AND IT'S JUST 3 EXTREMELY MESSY. 4 CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, I JUST GOT AN E-MAIL FROM 5 THE ASSOCIATE DEAN OF STUDENT ACTIVITIES THAT SHE'S GOING 6 TO HAVE TO PAY OUT OF HER OWN POCKET FOR FOOD FOR OUR 7 TRANSITION MEETING FOR GREETING THE NEW COUNCIL AND 8 EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. 9 I MEAN, THE STATEWIDE STUDENT SENATE, THE 10 STATEWIDE STUDENT SENATE ACTUALLY PASSED A RESOLUTION A 11 NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO ENCOURAGING ASSOCIATED STUDENT DEANS 12 TO GET CREDIT CARDS. THIS IS NO JOKE, NO KIDDING. 13 STUDENTS ARE OFTEN, OFTEN, FREQUENTLY PAYING OUT 14 OF POCKET FOR FOOD. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A PIZZA PARTY 15 COMING UP AND SO A STUDENT WILL PAY FOR IT OUT OF POCKET 16 AND THEN THEY GET REIMBURSED. THIS ISN'T AN ISSUE OF 17 HAVING MONEY. WE HAVE THE MONEY IN OUR ACCOUNTS. 18 BUT AS I THINK PETER SAID IT VERY WELL. THIS IS 19 A MECHANISM. THIS IS A VERY EFFICIENT MECHANISM. AND I 20 FEEL VERY, VERY, VERY STRONGLY THAT WE NEED TO GET THE 21 ASSOCIATED DEAN OF STUDENT ACTIVITIES ON ONE OF THESE 22 INACTIVE CREDIT CARDS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A HUGELY, HUGELY 23 HELPFUL TOOL FOR STUDENTS. 24 SO PLEASE, IF THERE'S ANYWAY THAT WE COULD GET 25 THAT POSITION ON THERE, IT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY BENEFICIAL MAY 27, 2010 189 1 TO STUDENTS. THANK YOU. 2 TRUSTEE BERG: I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: TRUSTEE JACKSON AND I ALSO 4 WANT TO SPEAK. AND YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP BEFORE. 5 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I WITHDRAW. 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: TRUSTEE BERG AND THEN VICE 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO. 8 TRUSTEE BERG: I ACTUALLY I THINK YOU RAISED 9 GOOD POINTS. AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING 10 ABOUT. 11 BUT WHAT I WOULD REALLY RECOMMEND FOR THE 12 DISTRICT IS THAT WE DESIGN A POLICY SO WE KNOW WHICH 13 DEPARTMENTS ACTUALLY NEED TO HAVE CREDIT CARDS, WHY THEY 14 NEED TO HAVE CREDIT CARDS. 15 I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF FISCAL 16 POLICY SAYING IF YOU SPEND -- WE KNOW THAT THE STUDENTS 17 ARE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING 18 THIS SORT OF THING OR THE STUDENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND 19 I THINK THAT'S LEGITIMATE. I THINK THAT THE DEPARTMENTS 20 THAT REALLY DO NEED TO SPEND MONEY AND THAT IT COMES OUT 21 OF YOUR POCKET, THAT'S UNSEEMLY FOR YOU TO BE TAKING 22 THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OUT OF THEIR POCKET. AND THERE ARE A 23 LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO TAKE 24 OUT OF THEIR POCKET. 25 SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE STANDARD MAY 27, 2010 190 1 PROCEDURE. EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THOSE RULES ARE AND 2 YOU DEFINE WHO SHOULD GET CREDIT CARDS BASED ON HOW MUCH 3 MONEY IS NEEDED, HOW FAST IT'S NEEDED. I MEAN, YOU WILL 4 HAVE TO DEVISE THE POLICY, BUT THAT WAY EVERYBODY KNOWS 5 WHAT THE RULES ARE, AND WE KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE. 6 THAT'S A SUGGESTION. 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: TRUSTEE RIZZO. 8 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: I CANNOT VOTE FOR A 9 RESOLUTION ON A FINANCIAL MATTER THAT HAS SO MUCH WIGGLE 10 ROOM AS THIS. IT IS JUST UNCLEAR AS TO WHAT THIS ACTUALLY 11 IS. 12 THE RESOLUTION CALLS THIS "A LINE OF CREDIT" AND 13 "A CREDIT CARD." AND WE ALSO HEAR THAT THESE ARE ALSO A 14 "DEBIT CARDS." WELL, THOSE THREE THINGS ARE THREE 15 DIFFERENT THINGS. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING. 16 I DON'T THINK THIS IS A DEBIT CARD BECAUSE IT 17 TALKS ABOUT A BORROWING LIMIT. WHEN YOU ARE BORROWING, 18 IT'S CREDIT. IT'S NOT DEBIT. DEBIT IS WHEN YOU ALREADY 19 OWN THE MONEY. SO THIS IS NOT A DEBIT CARD. 20 NOW IS IT A CREDIT CARD OR IS IT A LINE OF 21 CREDIT. A LINE OF CREDIT AND A CREDIT CARD ARE NOT THE 22 SAME THING. BOTH HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO A BANK AND 23 ASK FOR ONE OR THE OTHER, YOU WILL GET TWO DIFFERENT 24 THINGS AS TO WHAT THE INTEREST RATE WOULD BE. I WOULD 25 LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE INTEREST RATE IS IN HERE. THIS IS MAY 27, 2010 191 1 JUST A VERY SLOPPY RESOLUTION THAT HAS JUST TOO MUCH 2 WIGGLE ROOM IN IT. 3 THE OTHER PROBLEM IS THAT DR. GRIFFIN SAYS HE 4 DOESN'T USE A CREDIT CARD. AND HIS NAME IS LISTED IN 5 HERE. AND I THINK THAT'S VERY EMBARRASSING FOR HIM. AND 6 WE SHOULDN'T BE APPROVING SOMETHING THAT SAYS HE'S USING 7 HIS CARD WHEN HE DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: NO. NO. IT SAYS, HE HAS THE 9 CARD. IT DOESN'T SAY, HE IS USING IT. ALL IT SAYS IS 10 THAT HE HAS THE AVAILABILITY OF A CARD. 11 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: HE DOESN'T USE ONE. HE 12 DOESN'T WANT ONE. WHY SHOULD WE APPROVE THAT? 13 PRESIDENT MARKS: TRUSTEE JACKSON. 14 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WHY SHOULD WE PUT THAT IN 15 THE PUBLIC AGAINST HIS WILL? 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: TRUSTEE JACKSON. 17 TRUSTEE JACKSON: MY MAIN THING IS, YOU KNOW, IF 18 WE ARE LOOKING AT CHILD DEVELOPMENT. THEY NEED A FOOD 19 BUDGET. THAT'S A BUDGETARY CONVERSATION IS WHAT I 20 BELIEVE. 21 AND I AGREE WITH RYAN. THERE ARE OTHER VERY 22 WORTHY FOLKS THAT NEED A CREDIT CARD. I THINK THIS BOARD 23 SHOULD HAVE A CREDIT CARD, BUT I WON'T PUSH FOR ONE. I 24 MEAN, I DO A LOT OF BOARD BUSINESS AND I COME OUT OF 25 POCKET. AND I'VE ACTUALLY COME OUT OF POCKET MORE THAN MAY 27, 2010 192 1 I'VE PROBABLY MADE ON THIS BOARD IN TERMS OF STIPENDS. 2 IN TERMS OF -- I MEAN, JUST TO TALK TO VARIOUS 3 ORGANIZATIONS ABOUT OUR PARCEL TAX. I ACTUALLY DID A LOT 4 OF WORK ON TALKING TO PEOPLE WITH OUR PARCEL TAX BECAUSE 5 ANY INDIVIDUALS THAT I AM ASSOCIATED WITH ARE ACTUALLY 6 ACTIVELY SPEAKING TO PUT OTHER TAXES ON THERE, SO I SPEND 7 A LOT OF TIME TALKING TO OTHER INDIVIDUALS LUNCHES AND 8 THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IT ALWAYS HAPPENS, AFTER THEY 9 FINISH EATING AND THE CHECK COMES, THEY ARE ALWAYS REALLY 10 SLOW TO THE GUN TO PUT THEIR DEBIT CARD ON THE THING, SO I 11 AM ALWAYS NICE. TRUST ME, I DON'T MAKE AS MUCH MONEY. 12 I DO A LOT OF WORK ON BEHALF OF THIS DISTRICT TO 13 ACTUALLY GENERATE REVENUE. AND SO WE COULD MAKE A VALID 14 CONVERSATION ABOUT WHY THE BOARD DESERVES A CREDIT CARD, 15 BUT THEN WE END UP ON THE FRONT OF THE CHRONICLE LIKE OUR 16 COUNTERPARTS AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DID. 17 BY WHAT I WILL SAY, IF THE CHANCELLOR DOESN'T 18 USE A CARD, IF THE LEADER OF OUR ORGANIZATION DOESN'T USE 19 A CREDIT CARD, THEN THAT SHOULD KIND OF SET THE TONE OF 20 HOW WE DO BUSINESS HERE. 21 AND I WOULD SAY THAT IF FOLKS -- IF IT'S FOOD, 22 THEN PUT THE FOOD BUDGET -- OPEN UP A LINE OF CREDIT 23 SOMEWHERE OR SUPERMARKETS. HOPEFULLY, ALL UNION 24 SUPERMARKETS. WE ARE NOT SHOPPING AT WHOLE FOODS FOR 25 THESE PLACES. BUT MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO MAY 27, 2010 193 1 SAFEWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD BE AMAZING, 2 BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE -- I DON'T LIKE TRUSTEE RIZZO SAID, 3 THE WIGGLE ROOM OF USING THESE CARDS. 4 I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST A LITTLE -- I JUST DON'T 5 FEEL EASY ABOUT IT. MAYBE NEXT MONTH I MIGHT FEEL A 6 LITTLE BIT EASIER ABOUT IT. I JUST DON'T FEEL EASY ABOUT 7 IT RIGHT NOW. 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: I JUST NEED TO SAY A COUPLE OF 9 THINGS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF, TRUSTEE NGO, IF YOU WANT TO 10 SAY SOMETHING TOO AFTER THAT. 11 BUT I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT ARE 12 GOING ON HERE. AND I'M NOT COMPLETELY CERTAIN -- I 13 UNDERSTAND THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT THE POLITICAL SIDE OF 14 HOW THIS MIGHT LOOK IF THERE'S ABUSE. 15 BUT BELIEVE ME, THERE'S A LOT MORE POTENTIAL FOR 16 VASTLY GREATER SUM OF ABUSE THAN $20,000 OR $28,000. THIS 17 IS MINISCULE. 18 AND IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET, IF TRUSTEE JACKSON, 19 YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE BOARD HAVE BUDGET LINE FOR 20 WHATEVER YOU ARE SPENDING OR ANYBODY ELSE IS SPENDING, 21 THEN WE PUT IT IN THE BUDGET. 22 THE CREDIT CARD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 23 BUDGET. THE CREDIT CARD IS ONLY -- IT'S A CHECK. IT'S A 24 CREDIT CARD. IT'S CASH. IT'S HOW YOU PAY FOR IT. IT HAS 25 NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UNDERLYING BUDGET ITEM. BUT IF MAY 27, 2010 194 1 PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE A BUDGET, AND I THINK THERE'S 2 JUSTIFICATION FOR US HAVING MORE OF A BUDGET THEN WE DO 3 HAVE, THEN WE SHOULD PUT THAT IN. 4 BUT THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S -- IT FEELS LIKE THIS 5 IS BEING BLOWN UP INTO SOMETHING HUGE, AND I DON'T QUITE 6 UNDERSTAND IT. AND ALL WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS ENABLE FIVE 7 PEOPLE WITHIN THE ENTIRE DISTRICT OF 3, 4,000 EMPLOYEES TO 8 HAVE CREDIT CARDS. IF THEY USE THEM OR NOT, IT'S KIND -- 9 THE ISSUE IS NOT THIS BIG. AND I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING 10 GOING ON THAT I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND. 11 TRUSTEE NGO. 12 TRUSTEE NGO: I MEAN, WHAT I AM TRYING TO FIGURE 13 OUT HERE IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS RESOLUTION HERE IS TO 14 CREATE -- TO AUTHORIZE AN EXISTING -- AUTHORIZE SOMETHING 15 THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN RETROSPECT OR TO DO IT -- 16 OBVIOUSLY, IT EXISTS NOW. 17 CFO BILMONT: INTERESTING QUESTION. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: SO YOU ARE ASKING US TO AUTHORIZE 19 IT, RATIFY IT, ESSENTIALLY, CORRECT? 20 CFO BILMONT: I WOULD CALL IT A REAUTHORIZATION. 21 THIS IS A SET OF CONDITIONS THAT WAS EXTENT AT THE 22 DISTRICT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. IT'S NEVER COME BEFORE 23 THE BOARD BEFORE. 24 TRUSTEE BERG: I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE. 25 CFO BILMONT: OH, OKAY. I STAND CORRECTED. MAY 27, 2010 195 1 TRUSTEE BERG: I THINK IT HAS COME BEFORE THE 2 BOARD. 3 CFO BILMONT: THANK YOU. BUT IN THIS CASE, 4 BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH CHANGE IN THE PERSONNEL 5 STRUCTURE TO SOME DEGREE, IT'S TIME TO GET IT REAUTHORIZED 6 JUST AS A MATTER OF REAUTHORIZATION, BRINGING IT BACK TO 7 THE BOARD, AND THAT'S ALL THAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS. 8 TRUSTEE NGO: AND JUST -- 9 CFO BILMONT: OTHER CHANGES -- 10 TRUSTEE NGO: THANK YOU. SO IF WE DON'T APPROVE 11 THIS IS RESOLUTION, IT DOES NOT GET REAUTHORIZED, CORRECT? 12 CFO BILMONT: IF THIS AUTHORIZATION WASN'T 13 APPROVED, THEN I WOULD IN CONSULTATION WITH THE 14 CHANCELLOR, I WOULD PROBABLY GO IN AND START TO DEACTIVATE 15 THESE ITEMS. 16 TRUSTEE NGO: PRESIDENT MARKS, I THINK I MADE MY 17 POINT EARLIER, WHICH WAS I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A 18 PROBLEM WITH THE CREDIT CARDS PER SE. THERE'S GOT TO BE 19 SOME RATIONALE. OBVIOUSLY, THE DEAN STUDENT AFFAIRS OR 20 ACTIVITIES AND THE STUDENTS THEMSELVES NEED SOME SORT OF 21 ACCESS TO CREDIT OR THIS MECHANISM, WHICH THEY DON'T GET. 22 I DON'T LIKE THAT SOME OF THESE PRIVILEGES MAY 23 HAVE JUST BEEN GIVEN JUST BECAUSE CERTAIN NEEDS HAVE 24 ADVOCATED FOR THEM, WHICH IS NOT WITHIN ITSELF WRONG, BUT 25 THERE SHOULD BE A POLICY PERSPECTIVELY TO DETERMINE MAY 27, 2010 196 1 WHETHER OR NOT THESE CREDIT CARDS SHOULD BE GIVEN TO ANY 2 PARTICULAR PERSON WHICH IS TRUSTEE BERG -- 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: AS THE CHAIR OF THE POLICY 4 COMMITTEE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WRITE THAT POLICY? 5 TRUSTEE NGO: THAT'S FINE WITH ME. BUT I DON'T 6 KNOW IF YOUR GOING TO LIKE IT. 7 CFO BILMONT: I WOULD BE GLAD TO WORK WITH 8 TRUSTEE NGO ON THAT POLICY, YES. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: I WELCOME ANY POLICY THAT YOU HAVE 10 THAT MAKES SENSE TO WHY THESE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS HAVE 11 THEM. RIGHT? 12 CFO BILMONT: SURE. 13 TRUSTEE NGO: SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND ACTUALLY 14 IS IF WE CAN TABLE THIS. AND IF THIS CAN BE ACCOMPANIED 15 BY EITHER ADMINISTRATIVE RANK OR SOME SORT OF POLICY, I 16 WOULD FEEL A LOT BETTER. THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. 17 TRUSTEE BERG: SO YOU ARE MOVING -- 18 CFO BILMONT: I WOULD BE GLAD TO WORK THE BOARD 19 IN ANY WAY -- 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: IS THAT A MOTION? 21 TRUSTEE NGO: THAT IS A MOTION. 22 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 23 TRUSTEE NGO: WITH RECOMMENDATION. 24 TRUSTEE BERG: I WILL SECOND THAT. 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: YOU ARE MOVING TO TABLE IT. MAY 27, 2010 197 1 TRUSTEE BERG: YES, AND I SECONDED IT. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: YES. 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: SO WE HAVE TO THEN VOTE ON THE 4 TABLING RIGHT NOW WITHOUT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. 5 SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS, PLEASE 6 SAY "AYE." 7 TRUSTEE NGO: THIRTY DAYS, RIGHT? 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: NO. NO. OH, YOU WANT TO 9 CONTINUE IT TO OUR NEXT MEETING. 10 TRUSTEE NGO: RIGHT, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE -- 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: THE JUNE MEETING. 12 TRUSTEE NGO: -- ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY RATIONALE 13 FOR WHO GETS THEM. 14 CFO BILMONT: SURE. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: BY THE JUNE MEETING, OKAY. 16 CONTINUING THIS TO OUR JUNE MEETING, STUDENT 17 TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 18 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 19 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF 20 CONTINUING TO OUR NEXT MEETING SAY "AYE." 21 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 22 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 23 TRUSTEE JACKSON: NO. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: NO. 25 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. MAY 27, 2010 198 1 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: NO. 2 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: AND I AM OPPOSED TO TABLING 4 IT. 5 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: I AM OPPOSED ALSO. 6 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I AM TOO. 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY, SO IT'S NOT TABLED. 8 I WOULD LIKE TO VOTE NOW ON THIS. 9 LET'S JUST SEE. I THINK THE WILL OF THE 10 MAJORITY OF THE BOARD IS THAT THERE ARE ISSUES AROUND 11 HAVING ANY CREDIT CARDS IN THE DISTRICT. LET'S JUST 12 EXPRESS THAT AND THEN MOVE ON. 13 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: MY ISSUE AGAIN IS THAT 14 IT'S UNCLEAR. IT CALLS IT "A LINE OF CREDIT." AND IT 15 CALLS IT "A CREDIT CARD." 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: LET'S VOTE. IF IT FAILS, 17 JOHN, HAS A DIRECTION. AND IF HE WANTS TO COME BACK TO US 18 IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAT MEETS EVERYBODY'S APPROVAL OR 19 ENOUGH PEOPLE, THEN HE CAN. BUT LET'S JUST VOTE -- 20 TRUSTEE JACKSON: CAN I -- POINT OF INFORMATION. 21 DO WE NEED FOUR VOTES ON THIS -- 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: WE NEED FOUR. 23 TRUSTEE JACKSON: -- OR DO YOU JUST NEED A 24 MAJORITY? 25 ALL RIGHT. OKAY. MAY 27, 2010 199 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: IT DOESN'T MATTER THE NUMBER 2 HERE. IT STILL HAS TO BE FOUR. 3 TRUSTEE JACKSON: OKAY. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: SO STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 5 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE, YOU SAID. 7 WHY DON'T YOU JUST DO A ROLL CALL BECAUSE IT'S 8 EASIER THAN THAT. 9 TRUSTEE JACKSON. 10 TRUSTEE JACKSON: NO. 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: TRUSTEE RIZZO. 12 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: NO. 13 PRESIDENT MARKS: I AM GOING TO VOTE "YES." 14 TRUSTEE BERG. 15 TRUSTEE BERG: NO. 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: TRUSTEE NGO. 17 TRUSTEE NGO: NO. BRING IT BACK. 18 CFO BILMONT: SURE. 19 TRUSTEE NGO: THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: CAN I HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD? 21 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I ALREADY CUT IT UP. 22 THIS ONE FAILS. 23 COULD I HAVE A MOTION FOR S2, PLEASE. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. MAY 27, 2010 200 1 TRUSTEE JACKSON: SECOND. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 3 DOES ANYBODY NEED TO PRESENT THIS OR COULD WE -- 4 COUNSEL LEE: IF I MAY, IN THE TABLE OF 5 CONTENTS, IT PROVIDES UNDER ROMAN NUMERAL 10 THAT WE 6 SOLICIT PUBLIC RESPONSE TO THE INITIAL PROPOSALS OF 7 STATIONARY ENGINEERS IN THE INITIAL PROPOSALS OF THE 8 DISTRICT FOR A SUCCESSOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. 9 SO I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO AT THIS POINT 10 EXPLICITLY SOLICIT ANY COMMENTS. 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BY 12 ANYBODY IN PUBLIC OR THE BOARD? 13 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 14 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF S2, 16 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 17 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 18 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 19 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 21 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 22 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 23 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 25 S2 PASSES. MAY 27, 2010 201 1 IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION FOR S3, PLEASE. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT, PRESIDENT MARKS. 3 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO; SECONDED 5 BY TRUSTEE BERG. 6 ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ITEM? 7 IF NOT, STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 8 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF S3, 10 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 11 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 12 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 13 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 14 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 15 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 16 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 17 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 18 PRESIDENT MARKS: OPPOSED? 19 S5, IF SOMEONE COULD MOVE S5, PLEASE. 20 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 21 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO; SECONDED 23 BY TRUSTEE BERG. 24 I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO HEAR ANYMORE 25 ABOUT THIS. MAY 27, 2010 202 1 IF NOT, STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 2 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF S5, 4 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 5 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 6 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 7 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 11 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 13 S6, PLEASE. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS IT -- THAT 14 WASN'T ON THE -- I JUST NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN. 15 COULD SOMEONE MOVE S6, PLEASE. 16 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 17 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 18 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 19 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 20 ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS? 21 IF NOT -- 22 TRUSTEE JACKSON. 23 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S THE 24 DISTRIBUTION OF THESE CLASSES. WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO 25 GO? WHICH CAMPUSES ARE THESE GOING TO GO TO? MAY 27, 2010 203 1 MR. BOEGEL: TOM BOEGEL, DEAN OF THE CURRICULUM 2 AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS. 3 AGAIN, WHAT WE ARE APPROVING OR WHAT'S BEFORE 4 THE BOARD TODAY IS AN APPROVAL OF COURSES. THIS IS NOT A 5 DISCUSSION OF SCHEDULING. THE COURSES AND PROGRAMS THAT 6 YOU SEE BEFORE YOU HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE CURRICULUM 7 COMMITTEE. THE CURRICULUM COMMITTEE DOES NOT TAKE INTO 8 ACCOUNT SCHEDULING. IT'S NOT UNDER THEIR PURVIEW. IT 9 WOULD BE UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS AND THE ACADEMIC 10 AFFAIRS DIVISION. 11 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I GUESS I JUST WANT TO PUT IN 12 MY STRONG OPINION THAT THESE CLASSES BE DISTRIBUTED AS 13 EQUALLY AS POSSIBLE AMONG ALL CAMPUSES. 14 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANY OTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT 15 THIS? 16 IF NOT, STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 17 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 18 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF S6, 19 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 20 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 21 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 22 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 23 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 25 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. MAY 27, 2010 204 1 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 3 S6 PASSES. 4 IF SOMEONE COULD MOVE S7, PLEASE. 5 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 7 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 9 DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? 10 I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU SAID A FEW 11 WORDS. 12 MR. BOEGEL: SURE. TOM BOEGEL, DEAN OF TENURE 13 REVIEW AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS. 14 THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU HAVE BEEN 15 AFFORDED CONSIDERATION FOR EARLY TENURE. THERE ARE A 16 VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH EARLY TENURE CAN BE 17 AFFORDED TO TENURE TRACK FACULTY. 18 IN SOME OF THE CASES IN FRONT OF YOU, WE HAVE 19 FACULTY MEMBERS WHO HAVE SERVED A LONG TIME AS PART-TIME 20 INSTRUCTORS BEFORE MOVING ON AS FULL TIME. 21 IN A NUMBER OF THE OTHER CASES, WE HAVE FACULTY 22 WHO HAVE DEMONSTRATED STATEWIDE, NATIONAL, OR 23 INTERNATIONAL OR ARE RENOWNED IN THEIR FIELD. WE ARE VERY 24 EXCITED TO HAVE THEM COME ON BOARD AS TENURED TRACK 25 EMPLOYEES. MAY 27, 2010 205 1 AT LEAST ONE -- SHELLY GLAZER YOU SEE THERE IS 2 ACTUALLY CHAIR OF THE OLDER ADULTS DEPARTMENT ALREADY. SO 3 WE HAVE SOME EXTRAORDINARY QUALIFIED FACULTY MEMBERS AND 4 WE ARE VERY EXCITED. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: QUESTION. 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: YES, TRUSTEE RIZZO. 8 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THERE'S ONE PERSON IN 9 FINANCIAL AID. HOW IS -- 10 MR. BOEGEL: YES, LET'S SEE. WE HAVE COUNSELORS 11 WHO WORK WITHIN THE FINANCIAL AID DEPARTMENT ARE 12 CATEGORIZED AS FACULTY. 13 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 14 PRESIDENT MARKS: STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 15 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF S7, 17 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 18 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 19 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 20 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 21 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 22 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 23 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 24 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? MAY 27, 2010 206 1 IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION FOR S8, PLEASE. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT. 3 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO; SECONDED 5 BY TRUSTEE BERG. 6 IT FEELS LIKE SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SAY SOMETHING. 7 I DON'T THINK WE COULD JUST VOTE WITHOUT SOMEBODY SAYING 8 SOMETHING ABOUT AUSTIN WHITE AND ABOUT HOW TO HONOR HIS 9 MEMORY. 10 TRUSTEE BERG: WHAT ARE YOU ASKING? 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: I JUST THOUGHT SOMEBODY SHOULD 12 SAY SOMETHING ABOUT AUSTIN. 13 TRUSTEE BERG: I WILL SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I 14 THINK IT'S FITTING THAT WE HONOR AUSTIN WHITE. HIS 15 SERVICE TO CITY COLLEGE IS LEGENDARY. AND HE SPENT MANY, 16 MANY YEARS LOVING AND NURTURING CITY COLLEGE. AND 17 EVERYBODY -- ALL OF HIS STUDENTS WERE TOUCHED BY HIM AND 18 HE LEFT AN AMAZING IMPACT. AND HE ALSO LEFT US WITH AN 19 AMAZING WIFE TO CARRY ON HIS LEGACY. 20 I AM REALLY PLEASED TO SEE THAT THIS IS ON THE 21 AGENDA, AND THAT THIS IS GOING TO GO FORWARD. HE REALLY 22 IS A WONDERFUL -- HE WAS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE FOR THIS 23 COLLEGE. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: I DON'T KNOW WHOSE IDEA THIS 25 WAS, BUT THE IDEA OF HONORING SOMEBODY WHO REALLY GAVE HIS MAY 27, 2010 207 1 LIFE TO THE COLLEGE AND WHO WAS HERE FOR SO MANY YEARS TO 2 HONOR HIM THROUGH THE CREATION OF A GARDEN WHERE THINGS 3 GROW AND THERE'S PERPETUITY AND RENEWAL. THAT'S QUITE A 4 FITTING CHOICE OF HOW TO MEMORIALIZE HIM. 5 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN, YOUR VOTE ON S8. 6 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL KNOWS IN OF FAVOR OF S8, 8 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 9 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 10 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 11 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 13 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 14 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 15 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 17 S8 PASSES. 18 A MOTION FOR S9, PLEASE. 19 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 20 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 21 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO; SECONDED 22 BY TRUSTEE BERG. 23 TRUSTEE NGO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? 24 TRUSTEE NGO: I'M NOT SURE IF TRUSTEE RIZZO 25 WANTED TO SIGN ON AS A SPONSOR. IF WE COULD MAKE SOME MAY 27, 2010 208 1 AMENDMENTS, I WOULD WELCOME THAT, ALONG WITH HIS 2 SPONSORSHIP OF THIS RESOLUTION GIVEN HIS ADVOCACY FOR 3 GREEN JOBS AND OTHER SIMILAR PROGRAMS AT THE COLLEGE AND 4 COMMUNITY AT LARGE. 5 THIS RESOLUTION IS LOOKING TO FOLLOW UP ON AN 6 ENERGY AUDIT THAT WAS CONDUCTED BY THE DISTRICT. IT 7 IDENTIFIES SOME POSSIBLE COST SAVINGS BY REDUCING OUR 8 ENERGY USAGE GIVEN OUR BUDGET DEFICIT THIS YEAR AND IN 9 COMING YEARS. THE AUDIT ESTIMATED APPROXIMATELY $2.5 10 MILLION OVER SEVEN YEARS IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR 11 THESE RETROFITS. 12 OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE NOT ASKING THE DISTRICT TO 13 SPEND ANY MONEY TO DO THAT. THERE ARE SOME PROGRAMS THAT 14 ARE OUT THERE, INCLUDING GREEN FINANCE SF, WHICH I THINK 15 WORKS WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS AND NOT PUBLIC ONES. 16 BUT IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO FIND OUT IF THEY CAN EXPAND 17 THAT PROGRAM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY GOOD FOR THE 18 DISTRICT. 19 ALSO THERE'S SOME STATE LEGISLATION WORKING ITS 20 WAY THROUGH THAT AUTHORIZES SOME FUNDING FOR THESE TYPE OF 21 PROJECTS. I DON'T KNOW IF COMMUNITY COLLEGES WILL 22 QUALIFIED, BUT IT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO LOOK INTO, 23 ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE NOT USING ANY OF OUR FUNDS. AND IT 24 COULD SAVE THE DISTRICT IN THESE DEFICIT RIDDEN TIMES OVER 25 SEVEN YEARS $2.5 MILLION. MAY 27, 2010 209 1 THERE IS ALSO A POSSIBILITY THAT WE CONDITION 2 RFP, WHICH I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT. BUT FROM WHAT I'VE 3 HEARD, IT COULD BE BENEFICIAL. IN ESSENCE, THERE ARE 4 COMPANIES THAT WOULD LOAN DISTRICT MONEY TO CONDUCT THESE 5 RETROFITS. AND BASED ON THE SAVINGS OVER THAT TIME, THEY 6 WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE PAID BACK BY GETTING A PORTION OF THE 7 ENERGY SAVINGS OF THE ELECTRICITY BILL SAVINGS OVER THAT 8 TIME PERIOD. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE DISTRICT TO LOOK 9 INTO THAT AS WELL. 10 NOT ONLY IS IT GOOD FOR A DEFICIT, IT'S ALSO 11 GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ADOPT 12 IT. 13 AND AGAIN, WELCOME TRUSTEE RIZZO WITH ANY 14 ADDITIONS AND TO WELCOME HIM ON AS A COSPONSOR WITH THOSE 15 ADDITIONS IF HE PREFERS. 16 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 17 MAY I? 18 PRESIDENT MARKS: YES. 19 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE 20 THAT. 21 BEFORE I GOT ON THE BOARD, I WAS WORKING WITH 22 PRESIDENT MARKS. AND I THINK WE WERE MEETING WITH THE 23 APOLLO ALLIANCE AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE. AND WE TALKED 24 ABOUT THIS, AND IT RESULTED IN A RESOLUTION THAT PRESIDENT 25 MARKS GOT PASSED TO DO THE ENERGY AUDIT, SO I APPRECIATE MAY 27, 2010 210 1 BEING ADDED ON THERE. 2 MY COMMENT I GUESS IS IN THE SECOND CLAUSE, THE 3 STIPULATION THAT NO DISTRICT FUNDS BE USED. I THINK THAT 4 MIGHT BE LIMITING BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE A GRANT OR SOMETHING 5 THAT WE MIGHT FIND THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME MATCHING FUNDS 6 FROM THE DISTRICT. AND IF IT WOULD RESULT IN SAVING MONEY 7 FOR THE DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, A NET GAIN, THEN WE PROBABLY 8 WOULD WANT TO DO THAT AND NOT JUST HAVE A FIRM, YOU KNOW, 9 NO DISTRICT FUNDING POSITION. 10 SO I MEAN, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE MAYBE 11 ELIMINATE THAT CLAUSE. 12 PRESIDENT MARKS: THE ENTIRE THING OR THE ENTIRE 13 CLAUSE? 14 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH, I THINK I WOULD. I 15 MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD EDIT IT OVERWISE. 16 TRUSTEE NGO: I COULD PROPOSE AN EDIT. 17 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: I WOULD SAY AT THE END OF 19 "APPROPRIATE" IN THAT CLAUSE, "UNLESS THE DISTRICT 20 BELIEVES IT COULD YIELD A NET REVENUE" -- 21 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, OKAY. 22 TRUSTEE NGO: -- "BENEFIT." 23 TRUSTEE BERG: IT'S AN AMENDMENT. IT'S A 24 SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE. THAT'S AN AMENDMENT. 25 TRUSTEE NGO: THAT WOULD BE THE AMENDMENT. MAY 27, 2010 211 1 TRUSTEE BERG: PRESIDENT MARKS, I WILL SECOND 2 THE AMENDMENT. 3 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL READ IT AGAIN. IT SAYS, 4 AFTER "APPROPRIATE, UNLESS THE DISTRICT BELIEVES IT COULD 5 YIELD A NET REVENUE BENEFIT." 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES, THAT'S GOOD. I WILL 7 SECOND THAT AMENDMENT. 8 TRUSTEE NGO: THANK YOU. 9 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 10 TRUSTEE NGO: IT'S ACTUALLY YOUR AMENDMENT. I 11 JUST PHRASED, SO I WILL SECOND IT. 12 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, MY AMENDMENT. YOU 13 SECOND IT. 14 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: SO ON THE AMENDMENT -- 16 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YOU NEED PUBLIC COMMENT? 17 IS THERE ANY COMMENT ON THE AMENDMENT? 18 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 19 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE 21 AMENDMENT, PLEASE SAY "AYE." 22 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 23 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 24 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. MAY 27, 2010 212 1 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 2 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 3 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 4 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 5 THE AMENDMENT PASSES. 6 ON THE RESOLUTION AS AMENDED, STUDENT TRUSTEE 7 NEILSEN. 8 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: BEFORE I DO THIS ACTUALLY -- 10 SO WE ARE ADDING TRUSTEE RIZZO. 11 AND, TRUSTEE JACKSON, YOU WANT TO BE ON HERE 12 TOO? 13 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YES. 14 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. 15 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF S9 AS AMENDED, PLEASE SAY 16 "AYE." 17 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 18 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 19 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 21 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 22 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 23 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 25 S9 PASSES. MAY 27, 2010 213 1 IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION FOR W1, PLEASE. 2 TRUSTEE JACKSON: SO MOVED. 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 4 TRUSTEE NGO: SECOND. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 6 ANY DISCUSSION ON W1? 7 IF NOT, STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 8 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF W1, 10 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 11 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 12 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 13 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 14 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 15 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 16 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 17 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 18 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 19 W1 PASSES. 20 MOTION FOR W2, PLEASE. 21 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 23 TRUSTEE BERG: SECOND. 24 PRESIDENT MARKS: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE BERG. 25 ANY DISCUSSION ON W2? MAY 27, 2010 214 1 IF NOT, STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 2 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 3 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF W2, 4 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 5 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 6 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 7 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 11 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 12 ANYBODY OPPOSED? 13 W2 PASSES. 14 IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION FOR W3, PLEASE. 15 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT. 16 TRUSTEE JACKSON: SECOND. 17 PRESIDENT MARKS: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO; SECONDED 18 BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 19 ANY DISCUSSION ON W3? 20 IF NOT, STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN. 21 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN (ADVISORY): AYE. 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF W3, 23 PLEASE SAY "AYE." 24 TRUSTEE BERG: AYE. 25 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) MAY 27, 2010 215 1 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AYE. 2 PRESIDENT MARKS: AYE. 3 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 4 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 5 TRUSTEE WONG: (ABSENT.) 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANYBODY OPPOSED? 7 W3 PASSES. 8 WE HAVE TO GO BACK NOW, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, TO 9 THE MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT WHICH WE NEVER DID. 10 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: IT CONTINUES TO BE GLOOM NOT 11 DOOM. CLOSING OUT THIS YEAR IS BEGINNING TO SHAPE UP. SO 12 HOPEFULLY, WE WILL CLOSE SOMETHING OUT, NOT SURE YET. 13 NEXT YEAR THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET HAS BEEN REVISED. NO 14 ADDITIONAL DIRECT CUTS OF COMMUNITY COLLEGES WHO ARE 15 WORKING VERY CLOSELY NEGOTIATING OUR REPRESENTATIVE LABOR 16 ORGANIZATIONS TO ACHIEVE SAVINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR 17 THE NEXT YEAR. OF COURSE, I CAN'T SPEAK ABOUT THAT AT 18 THIS TIME. AND FUND-RAISING IS ALSO A CORNERSTONE OF OUR 19 EFFORTS FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: ANY QUESTIONS? 21 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, I MEAN, WE ARE 22 SUPPOSED TO PASS A BUDGET NEXT MONTH. 23 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THAT'S CORRECT. A TENTATIVE 24 BUDGET. 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: PRELIMINARY BUDGET. MAY 27, 2010 216 1 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED THE 2 TENTATIVE BUDGET. 3 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: TENTATIVE BUDGET? 4 CFO BILMONT: I CALL IT THE COST CONTINUING 5 BUDGET. 6 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THE STATE CALLS IT THAT. 7 CFO BILMONT: AND IT'S THE TENTATIVE COST TO 8 CONTINUE BUDGET. 9 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: YEAH. THE FINAL BUDGET IS 10 SEPTEMBER. 11 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: I MEAN, THE BOARD REALLY 12 STILL DOESN'T HAVE MUCH OF AN IDEA OF WHAT'S IN IT. AND 13 THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING 14 YESTERDAY -- 15 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: RIGHT. 16 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 17 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: MAYBE WE WANT TO TRY TO 18 RESCHEDULE THAT BEFORE THE JUNE MEETING. I THINK THAT 19 WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. 20 TRUSTEE JACKSON: LET'S SCHEDULE IT NOW. 21 PRESIDENT MARKS: PARDON ME? 22 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I WAS JUST SAYING -- NEVER 23 MIND. 24 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WHEN WILL WE HAVE SOME 25 IDEA OF WHAT'S IN IT? MAY 27, 2010 217 1 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: WELL, SOME OF IT WILL BE VERY 2 MUCH AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE. THE ADDITION OF 3 APPROXIMATELY $3 MILLION ADDING CLASS SECTIONS BACK IS 4 PART OF OUR STRATEGY TO GO BACK ABOVE BASE ENROLLMENT NEXT 5 YEAR. AND AS LONG AS THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSED GROWTH 6 FUNDING REMAINS IN THERE TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT AS WELL. 7 BUT IN TERMS OF A SPECIFIC PRESENTATION, 8 CERTAINLY THE BIGGEST CHANGE, WE PROBABLY WOULD BE READY 9 IN TIME FOR A BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING EARLY TO MID-JUNE, 10 I WOULD THINK. 11 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. WHAT HAPPENED AT 12 THE LAST SHARED GOVERNANCE BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING? 13 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THEY DID NOT ACTUALLY VOTE ON A 14 FULL BUDGET. THEY ENDORSED CERTAIN SPECIFIC ACTIONS 15 RELATED TO LIMITED HIRING AND EFFORTS TO TRY TO ACHIEVE 16 SAVINGS IN NON-INSTRUCTIONAL AREAS. THOSE ARE TWO 17 SPECIFIC ACTIONS THAT THEY TOOK. 18 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: SHOULD WE NOT BE TALKING 19 ABOUT THESE THINGS? 20 PRESIDENT MARKS: I THINK WE SHOULD. 21 TRUSTEE JACKSON: ON THE NEXT BUDGET COMMITTEE 22 MEETING, WE WILL JUST HAVE A PERMANENT KIND OF PBC UPDATE 23 JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A SPACE TO TALK ABOUT -- WE KNOW WHAT 24 HAPPENED AT THE PBC. AND I ACTUALLY -- WE DON'T GET A LOT 25 OF INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE PBC MEETINGS, MAY 27, 2010 218 1 BUT I'M SURE THAT THEY -- I'M HOPING WE GET INFORMATION ON 2 WHAT HAPPENED AT THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES' BUDGET MEETING 3 SO -- 4 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: YEAH. 5 TRUSTEE JACKSON: -- IN TERMS OF KEEPING OPEN 6 AND TRANSPARENT COMMUNICATIONS, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT 7 HAPPENS AT THOSE MEETINGS, JUST LIKE THEY NEED TO KNOW 8 WHAT HAPPENS AT OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETINGS AS WELL. 9 AND SO I WILL PUT A PERMANENT STANDING ITEM ON 10 THE AGENDA TO JUST UPDATE US ON WHAT'S HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, 11 AT THE MOST RECENT PBC MEETINGS. 12 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF 13 TIME. I MEAN, WE ARE GOING TO PASS THE BUDGET IN A MONTH. 14 AND THINGS ARE BEING DISCUSSED WITH SHARED GOVERNANCE, BUT 15 NOT WITH US. AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE A DECISION. 16 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: WELL, WE CERTAINLY HAVE 17 COMMUNICATED THE PRIORITIES THAT THE BOARD ADOPTED FOR 18 THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO THE COMMITTEE. 19 I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT I CAN 20 REMEMBER THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE SHARED GOVERNANCE 21 COMMITTEE THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED IN SOME VERSION AT 22 THE BOARD. BUT CERTAINLY WITH THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING 23 ANOTHER BOARD BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING, WE CAN GO INTO 24 MORE DETAIL ON THAT. 25 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. MAY 27, 2010 219 1 PRESIDENT MARKS: THE ONE REQUEST THAT I WANT TO 2 RESTATE IS THAT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE 3 LOOKING NOT JUST AT THE NUMBERS, BUT ALSO THE IMPACT TO 4 THE PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES ARE AFFECTED BY THOSE NUMBERS GOING 5 UP OR DOWN. 6 SO IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO KNOW THE IMPACT ON 7 STUDENTS OR ON FACULTY OR ADMINISTRATORS OR CLASSIFIED 8 STAFF, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW. 9 AND ALSO, IF THERE'S ANY WAY OF PROJECTING THE 10 IMPACT ON THE ABILITY OF STUDENTS TO MOVE ALONG IN THEIR 11 EDUCATIONAL PATH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US AS 12 OPPOSED TO JUST A BUDGET WHERE THE NUMBERS BALANCED. 13 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: SO PART OF WHAT I THINK WE 14 REPORTED TO THE BOARD AND, HOPEFULLY, EVERYONE IS AWARE OF 15 IS THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A CONSIDERABLE 16 CONCERN ABOUT NOT HAVING A SUMMER SCHOOL THIS YEAR, SUMMER 17 '10 SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILT INTO THE BUDGET 18 FOR NEXT YEAR, SUMMER '11. 19 WE ALSO UNDERSTOOD THAT A NUMBER OF CLASSES HAD 20 BEEN CUT OUT AND SO THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC FOR STUDENTS. SO 21 WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE ADD $3 MILLION BACK IN CLASSES 22 FOR THAT. 23 THE ONLY OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THERE ARE OUR 24 BELIEF THAT WE COULD RAISE THROUGH FUND-RAISING A 25 CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT WE DID NOT RAISE THIS MAY 27, 2010 220 1 IS YEAR. SO THE BUDGET IS CALLING FOR $3 MILLION IN 2 FUND-RAISING, WHICH WE DID NOT HAVE IN OUR BUDGET THIS 3 YEAR. '09-'10, THERE WAS NO DOLLARS TO MY KNOWLEDGE -- 4 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THAT'S CORRECT. 5 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: -- FOR FUND-RAISING. AND 6 SO NOW WE ARE PUTTING IN $3 MILLION. SO THE BASIC THING 7 IS TO RESTORE SERVICES OR RATHER CLASSES AND PROGRAMMATIC 8 THINGS THAT WE CUT OUT, BUT TO RELY MORE HEAVILY UPON 9 FUND-RAISING. 10 EVERYTHING ELSE HAS TO DO WITH CONCESSIONS THAT 11 WOULD HAVE TO BE NEGOTIATED WITH UNIONS ABOUT THEIR WAGES, 12 AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. 13 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, SO I AM HEARING FOR 14 THE FIRST TIME THAT IT'S GOING TO COST $3 MILLION TO ADD 15 CLASSES BACK TODAY. 16 IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID, "IT WILL COST $3 17 MILLION?" 18 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE 19 BEEN WORKING WITH ACTUALLY FOR SOME TIME. I'M SORRY IF IT 20 HASN'T BEEN CLEAR BEFORE, BUT IT'S BEEN ON SOME OF THE 21 HANDOUTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN USING ON THE DETAILED BUDGET 22 SHEET. 23 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: ON THE MAY 11TH BUDGET 24 COMMITTEE MEETING, I THINK WE WERE TOLD THAT IT MIGHT COST 25 US TWO OR THREE -- AND MAYBE I HAVE IT WRONG -- BUT COST MAY 27, 2010 221 1 US 2 TO 3 MILLION IF WE DIDN'T ADD THEM BACK. 2 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: WELL, IF WE DON'T ADD THEM 3 BACK, IT'S ACTUALLY AN UNKNOWN OF HOW MUCH IT MIGHT COST 4 US. IT DEPENDS ON HOW SHORT WE ARE OF BASE ENROLLMENT. 5 IT COULD EVEN BE MORE THAN $3 MILLION IN LOST REVENUE. 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 7 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: REMEMBER WE ARE USING UP OUR 8 HOLD HARMLESS YEAR THIS YEAR AND HAVE TO GET BACK TO BASE 9 ENROLLMENT IN '10-'11. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. THERE WAS A LIST 11 OF EIGHT THINGS THAT THE CHANCELLOR LISTED THAT THE 12 CHANCELLOR SAID THE BOARD NEEDS TO DISCUSS ON ABOUT THE 13 BUDGET -- 14 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THAT'S CORRECT. 15 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- AND WHETHER OR NOT TO 16 ADD THE CLASSES BACK AND HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST IS ONE OF 17 THOSE THINGS THAT HE LISTED. 18 AND HERE IT IS AGAIN AT ANOTHER MEETING, AND 19 THIS ITEM IS UP. AND WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. WE 20 DON'T -- YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL THAT WE ARE GOING TO, ONCE 21 AGAIN, COME TO THE DAY TO VOTE AND HERE IT IS. AND, YOU 22 KNOW, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT 23 IT. BUT AGAIN, THOSE EIGHT ITEMS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE 24 NOT HERE. WHERE ARE THEY? 25 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: THE EIGHT ITEMS THAT WE ARE MAY 27, 2010 222 1 TALKING ABOUT, MANY OF THEM WERE UNDERLYING PRINCIPLES 2 THAT I THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS. 3 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: BUT WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING 4 THEM NOW, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. 5 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I THINK THE MAIN REASON 6 THAT WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THEM TONIGHT IS BECAUSE OF THE 7 TIME. 8 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, WE HAVE A MONTH 9 LEFT BEFORE THE FINAL BUDGET. IF NOT TONIGHT -- 10 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: AND I THINK WE SHOULD 11 DISCUSS THEM TONIGHT THEN. 12 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE KEEP PUNTING THIS AND 13 PUNTING IT. 14 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: AGAIN, WE CERTAINLY CAN GO 15 THROUGH THE LIST. 16 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: I DON'T HAVE THE LIST HANDY. 17 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I COULD PROBABLY 18 RECONSTRUCT MOST OF THEM. 19 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I MEAN, CAN WE -- I'M PRETTY 20 SURE WE WILL HAVE AN AGENDA UP FOR EITHER A TUESDAY OR 21 WEDNESDAY BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING. AND THAT WOULD 22 PROBABLY BE THE BEST TIME TO DISCUSS IT. 23 I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I AS A BUDGET 24 CHAIR, I AM INVITED TO THE PBC MEETINGS. 25 IS THAT CORRECT? MAY 27, 2010 223 1 AND SO IF I CAN'T GET THERE, BECAUSE TYPICALLY 2 THEY ARE DURING THE WORK HOURS, MAYBE ANOTHER TRUSTEE THAT 3 HAS FREE TIME CAN ACTUALLY SIT IN ON SOME OF THOSE PBC 4 MEETINGS AND THEN GIVE REPORTS BACK BECAUSE THEY DO MEET 5 TYPICALLY WHEN I WORK. SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT MIGHT BE 6 ANOTHER WAY, OR WE COULD JUST GET A FULL REPORT BACK FROM 7 THE PBC MEETINGS AT ALL OF OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETINGS. 8 I THINK IT IS THAT IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE ON TOP OF THE 9 BUDGET. 10 BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE A DOCUMENT IN FRONT 11 OF ME THAT I'VE NOT SEEN OR THAT LOOKS FOREIGN TO ME OR 12 THAT DOESN'T MATCH THE NOTES THAT I TOOK. 13 I UNDERSTAND TRUSTEE RIZZO'S FRUSTRATION. AND 14 SO, HOPEFULLY, THIS NEXT PLANNING AND BUDGET COMMITTEE 15 MEETING, WE COULD HAVE A RECAP OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE PBC 16 MEETING. 17 PRESIDENT MARKS: CAN WE SCHEDULE A PLANNING AND 18 BUDGETING COMMITTEE OF THE BOARD, A MEETING OF THAT 19 COMMITTEE FOR NEXT WEEK SOME TIME? 20 TRUSTEE NGO: WE HAD ONE SCHEDULED FOR 21 YESTERDAY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 22 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH, WE DID HAVE IT 23 SCHEDULED FOR YESTERDAY. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT GOT 25 CANCELLED. AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM MAY 27, 2010 224 1 ACTUALLY IS THAT I THINK UP UNTIL YESTERDAY, I FELT 2 ACTUALLY PRETTY IN TUNE WITH THE PROCESS. AND MY 3 ASSUMPTION WAS THAT YESTERDAY THE BOARD WOULD GO THROUGH 4 THOSE EIGHT ITEMS AND KIND OF GET A BETTER SENSE OF WHERE 5 WE ARE GOING SO THAT WHEN WE GET THAT BUDGET IN JUNE, WE 6 WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. 7 SO I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT BEFORE THE JUNE 8 MEETING, WE HAVE AT THE VERY LEAST, ONE MORE REAL SESSION. 9 AND I BELIEVE THAT TRUSTEE JACKSON IS CHAIR OF THE BUDGET 10 COMMITTEE TO SCHEDULE FOR US TO GET THAT SESSION DONE AND 11 HAVE A REAL DISCUSSION -- A DISCUSSION THAT WILL ADDRESS 12 TRUSTEE RIZZO'S I THINK PROCEDURAL AND SUBSTANTIVE 13 CONCERNS AND ALSO ALLOW ADMINISTRATION TO SHARE WHERE 14 THEY'RE GOING ON THE BUDGET WITH THESE ISSUES. 15 SO THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. AND I THINK THAT'S 16 WHERE THIS DISCONNECT HAPPENED ACTUALLY. 17 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YEAH. BUT MY ONLY CONCERN HAS 18 ALWAYS BEEN THAT IF WE THREE HAD THAT CONVERSATION, DO THE 19 OTHER FOUR FEEL THAT THEY WERE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION? 20 I WOULD ACTUALLY ASK IF WE HAVE A COMMITTEE OF 21 THE WHOLE BECAUSE WE THREE -- I MEAN, THIS HAPPENED WHEN 22 WE CREATED OUR BUDGET PRIORITIES. WE CREATED BUDGET 23 PRIORITIES AMONG US THREE. WE FORWARDED THOSE BUDGET 24 PRIORITIES TO THE FULL BOARD, AND THERE WAS HEALTHY 25 DISCUSSION AND HEALTHY SKEPTICISM ABOUT OUR PROCESS FOR MAY 27, 2010 225 1 DEVELOPING, EVEN THOUGH IT CAME FROM THE COMMITTEE LEVEL. 2 AND SO THAT'S WHY -- AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE THE 3 PREVIOUS BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING, THIS ENTIRE BOARD HAS 4 TO OWN THIS BUDGET. THEY REALLY DO HAVE TO OWN THIS 5 BUDGET. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD RATHER HAVE A COMMITTEE 6 OF THE WHOLE. BUT SINCE WE HAVE A TRUSTEE THAT JUST HAD 7 MINOR SURGERY AND A TRUSTEE THAT IS ON LOCATION, I 8 BELIEVE, WE DO NOT HAVE -- WE ONLY HAVE FIVE. AND I'M 9 HOPING IF TRUSTEE BERG IS AVAILABLE AND ALL OF US ARE 10 AVAILABLE, WE WILL AT LEAST HAVE FIVE TO PLUG INTO THIS. 11 BUT I FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING A BOARD 12 OF THE WHOLE ON THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET TALKING ABOUT THE 13 EIGHT ITEMS THAT THE CHANCELLOR DISCUSSED. I THINK WE 14 NEED TO HAVE FULL BUY-IN. 15 WE CAN VOTE, AND WE COULD MOVE THE BUDGET UP, 16 BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL CONFIDENT THAT MY 17 COLLEAGUES -- THAT OUR COLLEAGUES ARE GOING TO FEEL 18 INCLUDED. AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A PROTRACTED BUDGET 19 CONVERSATION. 20 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE 21 PROCESS, AND WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET. THIS IS 22 MY FRUSTRATION. 23 PRESIDENT MARKS: TELL US WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE. 24 I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT TELL US WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT 25 RIGHT NOW. MAY 27, 2010 226 1 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, YOU KNOW, I WISH I 2 HAD THAT LIST OF EIGHT THINGS. I WOULD TALK ABOUT THOSE. 3 FOR INSTANCE, THE ADDING BACK CLASSES. IT 4 SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO, BUT I WOULD REALLY 5 LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE REAL COST TO THAT? 6 YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T ADD CLASSES, HOW MUCH DO 7 WE LOSE? ARE WE SPENDING MORE? ARE WE SPENDING LESS? 8 BECAUSE INSTEAD OF -- IF IT'S LESS, IF THERE'S A 9 NET LOSS IN ADDING CLASSES BACK, WE SHOULD DISCUSS MAYBE 10 NOT ASKING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR LABOR FOR GIVE BACKS. 11 WE NEED TO KNOW THIS. THIS IS A BUILT-IN ASSUMPTION, BUT 12 WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT. 13 IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ON THE 14 CHANCELLOR'S LIST THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, AND WE ARE 15 NOT TALKING ABOUT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROCESS. WE HAVE 16 BEEN TALKING ABOUT PROCESS FOR SIX MONTHS. LET'S TALK 17 ABOUT THE BUDGET. 18 TRUSTEE JACKSON: YOU CAN TALK. 19 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: MAY I RESPOND TO THAT ONE? 20 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I MEAN I -- 21 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: MAY I RESPOND SPECIFICALLY 22 TO THAT? 23 TRUSTEE JACKSON: PLEASE, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE 24 TO RESPOND TOO. 25 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: GO AHEAD. MAY 27, 2010 227 1 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE 2 HAVE HAD BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETINGS. AND WE HAVE BEEN 3 TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET. I MEAN, I KNEW ABOUT THE 4 $3 MILLION. I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE. WE HAVE 5 BEEN GIVEN BUDGETS, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET. I 6 THINK WE NEED TO GO FURTHER TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET AND 7 WE NEED TO REALLY MAKE -- I MEAN, I WANT TO GO THROUGH 8 THOSE EIGHT DECISIONS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE 9 HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET. 10 I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE MIS-IMPRESSION THAT 11 WE'VE BEEN SPENDING THESE PAST BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETINGS 12 NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE 13 BUDGET. 14 I KNOW THAT I HAVE A DECENT UNDERSTANDING OF 15 WHAT OUR BUDGET SITUATION IS, AND I THINK THIS BOARD HAS A 16 FAR GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BUDGET SITUATION THAN 17 THEY HAVE HAD IN PREVIOUS YEARS. 18 I MEAN, I AM GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. WE 19 HAVE BEEN FAR MORE INVOLVED THAN OTHER BOARDS HAVE IN THIS 20 BUDGET PROCESS. I KNOW MY FIRST BUDGET I GOT ONE VERY 21 SOON, AND I HAD NO INVOLVEMENT IN THAT BUDGET. I KNOW 22 THIS BUDGET WE'VE AT LEAST HAD -- WE'VE AT LEAST BEEN ABLE 23 TO GIVE OUR VALUES. AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TALK WHAT'S IN 24 IT. NOW WE NEED TO TALK FURTHER ABOUT IT, BUT WE'VE HAD A 25 PROCESS. AND I'M OKAY WITH THE PROCESS WE'VE HAD. MAY 27, 2010 228 1 I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT I JUST PUSH BACK JUST A 2 LITTLE BIT ON JUST TALKING ABOUT PROCESS. WE HAVE TALKED 3 ABOUT THE SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES ABOUT THE BUDGET. AND, YOU 4 KNOW, $3 MILLION WILL BE GAINED FROM ADDING CLASSES BACK. 5 I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE ASSESSMENT WAS, AND YOU KNOW -- 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: NO. 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: NO. LET THE CHANCELLOR. 8 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: FIRST OF ALL THE ENROLLMENT 9 SITUATION IS VERY COMPLICATED. IT IS NOT A SIMILAR TOPIC. 10 WE HAVE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT. 11 NO. 1, WE MADE A DECISION LAST YEAR, WHICH I 12 HAVE TO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK WE BROUGHT IT TO THE BOARD 13 AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT TO THE BOARD IN TERMS 14 OF GOING BELOW BASE AND HOLDING HARMLESS THE DISTRICT. 15 SO WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO CURRENTLY, AND IT 16 MAY GET CHANGED AS FAR AS SACRAMENTO AND THE LAW IS 17 CONCERNED, IS EVERY OTHER YEAR WE COULD FALL BELOW BASE 18 AND WE WOULD STILL RECEIVE NEARLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY 19 AS WE WOULD IF WE HAD NOT FALLEN BELOW BASE. THIS YEAR WE 20 CHOOSE '09-'10. WE CHOSE TO BE BELOW BASE. 21 OUR ENROLLMENT FOR THE DISTRICT WAS AROUND 22 38,000 FTES. THE STATE SAID WE ARE NOT GOING TO FUND YOU 23 FOR THAT AMOUNT. WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO FUND YOU FOR A 24 LOWER NUMBER, WHICH WAS 36,000 INITIALLY WE WERE TOLD. 25 WELL, IT'S 36,228. BUT THEY SAID THEY WILL FUND US LOW MAY 27, 2010 229 1 BECAUSE THEY TOOK AWAY SO MUCH FUNDING FROM OUR DISTRICT 2 AS WELL AS MANY OTHER DISTRICTS. 3 SO THEREFORE, OUR NEW BASE WAS 36,228. LOOKING 4 AT THAT, WE SAID WE WOULD TRY TO GET TO BASE, BUT WE COULD 5 NOT DO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WHICH WAS TO HAVE A SUMMER 6 SCHOOL. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT 7 UP. 8 THIS YEAR WE ARE ONLY GOING TO HAVE AROUND 9 35,000 FTES FOR '09-'10, WHICH PUTS US A LITTLE OVER 11, 10 1200 BELOW BASE. 11 NOW NEXT YEAR WE ARE MANDATED TO COME UP TO BASE 12 AT LEAST. IF WE DON'T COME UP TO BASE, THEN EVERYTHING 13 BELOW BASE THAT WE FALL WE WILL LOSE FOR THAT. AND THAT 14 WOULD BE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, WELL IN ACCESS, 15 DEPENDING HOW FAR WE FALL, WELL IN ACCESS OF $3 MILLION. 16 EASILY IN EXCESS OF $3 MILLION IF WE FALL BELOW BASE. SO 17 IT IS OUR IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET BACK UP TO BASE 18 MINIMALLY. 19 SO IN OUR CALCULATIONS, WE HAVE CALCULATED THAT 20 WE WILL PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST 40 TO 50 PERCENT OF 21 THE SUMMER THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST IN THE 2011 YEAR 22 JUST TO GET UP TO BASE. WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD BACK CLASSES 23 IN THE FALL AND SPRING IF WE CAN CHOOSE TO WANT TO GET 24 SOME GROWTH DOLLARS. 25 NOW WE ARE ALLOWED TO GROW PROBABLY IF THE MAY 27, 2010 230 1 BUDGET THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED AND THE MAY REVISE GOES 2 THROUGH, THEN STATEWIDE THERE'S A 2.2 PERCENT GROWTH 3 POTENTIAL IN THERE. 4 OUR DISTRICT NEVER GETS THAT POTENTIAL. OUR 5 DISTRICT PROBABLY GETS 1 PERCENT. SO BASED UPON 1 PERCENT 6 GROWTH, WE HAVE PUT INTO THE BUDGET FOR THE COMING HERE 7 $1.7 MILLION WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO 1 PERCENT. 8 NOW WE SPEND THAT MONEY TO GET ALMOST A DOUBLE 9 RETURN IN TERMS OF DOLLARS FROM THE STATE. IN OTHER 10 WORDS, WE HAVE TO PUT IN 8,000 -- I'M SORRY. HALF OF THEM 11 WOULD BE $.85 MILLION TO GET $1.7 MILLION OF RETURN, SO 12 THAT'S HOW MANY CLASSES WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN TO GET 13 GROWTH. 14 BUT IN ADDITION TO THE GROWTH, WE STILL HAVE TO 15 PUT MONEY IN TO GET BACK UP TO BASE. AND THAT'S WHERE THE 16 PROBLEM IS BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT TO PUT IN PROBABLY $2.5 17 MILLION JUST TO GET BACK TO BASE. 18 SO YOU'VE GOT TWO COMPONENTS. THE COMPONENT TO 19 GET YOU BACK TO BASE AND THE OTHER COMPONENT TO TRY TO 20 ARRIVE AT THE GROWTH. SO THAT'S WHAT THE STRATEGY IS THAT 21 WE WANTED TO PROPOSE TO THE BOARD. WE NEED TO FUND ENOUGH 22 IN THERE SO THAT WE COULD DO THAT. 23 IN OUR CALCULATIONS, THAT COMES TO ROUGHLY 24 $3 MILLION APPROXIMATELY $2.5 MILLION TO HAVE A SUMMER IN 25 SUMMER '11 AND ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OF CLASSES FOR MAY 27, 2010 231 1 FALL AND SPRING. 2 NOW THIS CONCEPT OF GOING AFTER GROWTH IS 3 SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN UTILIZING IN THE DISTRICT FOR 4 14 YEARS SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE OF TRYING TO MANAGE 5 THE GROWTH. AND OF THAT 14 YEARS, 12 OF THOSE YEARS WE 6 HAVE ACHIEVED OUR GROWTH TARGET. THIS PAST YEAR, BECAUSE 7 THERE WAS NO GROWTH MONEY ON THE TABLE, WE GOT ZERO AND 8 NOBODY IN THE STATE GOT ZERO BECAUSE IT WAS NOT FUNDED. 9 THE PRIOR YEAR TO THAT, WE GOT $2.55 MILLION FOR 10 GROWTH. THE YEAR BEFORE THAT WE GOT $4 MILLION FOR 11 GROWTH. THOSE TWO AMOUNTS WHICH AMOUNTS TO ABOUT 12 6.6 MILLION IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US BEING EVEN MUCH 13 MORE SERIOUSLY HARMED THAN WE ARE NOW. THAT 6.6 MILLION 14 GOT INTO THE BASE AND KEPT GOING ON AND ON. 15 SO WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL A GROWTH STRATEGY AT THE 16 DISTRICT WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR ADDING CLASSES. 17 IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR BOND PROJECTS WHERE WE ARE 18 BUILDING BUILDINGS AND HAVING MORE CLASSROOM SPACE AND SO 19 FORTH. 20 AND SAN FRANCISCO AS A CITY ACTUALLY IS GROWING 21 IN TERMS OF THE POPULATION AND OUR POTENTIAL TO HAVE MORE 22 STUDENTS. SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR GROWTH CONCEPTS. AND WE 23 NEED TO GO THROUGH IT AND LOOK AT IT MORE SPECIFICALLY TO 24 TALK ABOUT IT IN MORE DETAIL. 25 NOW TWO OF THE OTHER CONCEPTS, WHICH I JUST WANT MAY 27, 2010 232 1 TO MENTION IF I COULD IN TERMS OF THE EIGHT THAT I PUT ON 2 THE LIST, WAS THE CONCEPT OF LAYOFFS AND THE CONCEPT OF 3 ATTRITION. THERE WAS A DECISION MADE LAST YEAR THAT 4 INSTEAD OF US PURSUING THINGS THROUGH LAYOFFS, WE WOULD DO 5 A COURSE OF ATTRITION. AND THE COURSE OF ATTRITION HAS 6 BEGUN TO FOLLOW. IT HAS COME TO FRUITION OVER THE YEARS. 7 WE HAVE THROUGH THIS YEAR '09-'10 ACHIEVED 8 APPROXIMATELY $1 MILLION IN ATTRITION IN THE CLASSIFIED 9 RANKS. $1 MILLION IN ATTRITION IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE 10 RANKS. AND WE'VE ACHIEVED ABOUT A FOUR PERCENT DECLINE IN 11 THE FACULTY RANKS, BUT IT WAS PARTIALLY THROUGH ATTRITION, 12 BUT MOSTLY THROUGH THE FACT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE SUMMER 13 SCHOOL. 14 EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD. ALL OF THE UNIONS HAVE 15 EXPRESSED THAT THEY WOULD PREFER ATTRITION TO LAYOFFS. 16 LAYOFFS WOULD BE A LAST RESORT. IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET 17 WHAT WE NEED THROUGH ATTRITION, THEN WE WOULD GO TO 18 LAYOFFS. 19 SO THOSE TWO CONCEPTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE 20 THE BOARD NEEDS TO BE FULLY COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE 21 CONCEPTS. SO THOSE WERE TWO OF THE CONCEPTS WE TALKED 22 ABOUT. 23 WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT PURSUING MORE DOLLARS 24 THROUGH A FUND-RAISING STRATEGY WHICH IS ACTUALLY 25 SOMETHING THAT'S RELATIVELY NEW TO THIS COLLEGE TO MAY 27, 2010 233 1 ACTUALLY FUND OPERATIONS THROUGH FUND-RAISING. AND SO 2 THAT'S WHY WE DEVELOPED A STRATEGY BOTH FOR THE INTERNAL 3 CONSTITUENCIES OF RAISING $1 MILLION INTERNALLY AND FROM 2 4 TO $3 MILLION WITH OUR FOUNDATION'S ASSISTANCE. 5 NOW IN TERMS OF A BUDGET, THE NUMBERS THAT WERE 6 PROJECTED WAS THAT WE INITIALLY SAID WE PUT $3 MILLION IN, 7 $1 MILLION FROM INTERNAL AND $2 MILLION FROM THE EXTERNAL, 8 WHICH CAME TO $3 MILLION. THE MORE CONSERVATIVE ITERATION 9 HAD US DOWN FOR ONLY 1.5 MILLION, WHICH WAS 1 MILLION FROM 10 THE OUTSIDE AND A HALF MILLION FROM THE INSIDE. 11 BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO REAFFIRM THE $3 MILLION AND 12 SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE OBTAINED THROUGH 13 FUND-RAISING $3 MILLION. AND WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE FOR 14 RAISING THAT $3 MILLION AS FAR AS FUND-RAISING. 15 ANOTHER ITEM ON MY LIST WAS WHAT IS THE 16 COLLEGE'S POSITION RELATIVE TO STUDENT SERVICES? 17 WE WERE ACTUALLY TAKEN AWAY FROM US BY THE 18 STATE, VERY SPECIFICALLY, WAS THE CATEGORICAL PROGRAMS. 19 IN THE CATEGORICAL PROGRAMS, WE LOST ESSENTIALLY, EVEN 20 WITH SOME OF OUR MONEY, WE LOST ESSENTIALLY ABOUT ONE AND 21 A HALF TO $1.8 MILLION. 22 WHAT'S THE EXACT NUMBER, JOHN, FOR THIS YEAR? 23 CFO BILMONT: I THINK IT WAS MORE LIKE 24 $8 MILLION. 25 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: $8 MILLION, BUT WE HAD SOME MAY 27, 2010 234 1 (AIR A). 2 CFO BILMONT: THERE WAS SOME (R O) BACKFILL AND 3 THERE WAS A CARRY FORWARD FROM THE PRIOR YEAR THAT -- 4 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: OKAY. THERE WAS A CERTAIN 5 AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT WE LOST FROM STUDENT SERVICES. WE 6 EXPECT TO HAVE EVEN PROBABLY JUST SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF 7 DOLLARS CONTINUING AND SOME MORE ADD-ON FOR THIS YEAR 8 '10-'11, SO THERE'S A SIZEABLE CHUNK OF MONEY. 9 AFTER YOU AVERAGE AND NET EVERYTHING OUT, YOU 10 ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT $3 MILLION OR SO FOR THE COMING 11 YEAR AS FAR AS THE LOSS FROM STUDENT SERVICES. 12 SO THE QUESTION BECOMES WHAT IS THE BOARD'S 13 POSITION? WHAT IS THE POLICY GOING TO BE RELATIVE TO THE 14 STUDENT SERVICES AND THE DILEMMA THAT IT PRESENTS FOR THE 15 DISTRICT. 16 ANOTHER ISSUE THAT'S REALLY CRITICALLY IMPORTANT 17 FOR ALL OF US, AND YOU HEARD SOME OF IT TONIGHT AND WILL 18 HEAR MORE ABOUT IT TONIGHT, WAS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO 19 ABOUT PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE COLLEGE? 20 WE HAVE ACADEMIC PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE COLLEGE 21 THAT WE NEED TO PUT UNDER THE MICROSCOPE IN TERMS OF HOW 22 THEY FUNCTIONING AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING RELATIVE TO 23 THOSE. 24 THESE ARE VERY HARD DECISIONS, BUT WE NEED TO 25 LOOK AT THEM AND TRY TO NOT IMPACT THE STUDENTS' MAY 27, 2010 235 1 NEGATIVELY, BUT LOOK AT WHICH PROGRAMS WE CAN ACTUALLY 2 CHANGE. 3 AND NONCREDIT ESL, FOR EXAMPLE THEY HAVE BEEN 4 DROPPING ABOUT 2 PERCENT PER YEAR IN THEIR SIZE FOR THE 5 LAST FOUR YEARS. THEY ARE DOWN 8 PERCENT VERSUS WHAT THEY 6 WERE JUST FOUR YEARS AGO. WE ANTICIPATE A CONTINUATION OF 7 THE DECLINE IN OUR NONCREDIT OFFERING OF ABOUT 2 PERCENT 8 PER YEAR. 9 WE HAVE GONE FROM 40 PERCENT OF OUR FUNDING IN 10 NONCREDIT A DOZEN YEARS AGO TO ABOUT 22 PERCENT OF OUR 11 FUNDING IN NONCREDIT TODAY. 12 THE CREDIT PROGRAMS CONTINUE TO GROW. WE WANT 13 TO GROW AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF OUR ECONOMIC SITUATION 14 AND BECAUSE OF THE ONLY VARIABLE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US 15 FROM THE STATE IS A 2.2 PERCENT GROWTH. THAT'S THE ONLY 16 EXTRA PLACE WHERE WE GET REVENUE COMING IN FROM THE STATE 17 THAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY. THAT WE NEED TO TAKE 18 ADVANTAGE OF OUR GROWTH POTENTIAL AND GROW IN PROGRAMS 19 LIKE MATH, WHICH WE GET A PRETTY HIGH FTES, ENGLISH, 20 FOREIGN LANGUAGES AND SOME OTHER AREAS THAT ARE VERY 21 CRITICAL TO OUR STUDENTS. BUT WE NEED TO GROW IN THOSE 22 AREAS. AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE ABOUT ADDING 23 CLASSES IN PLACES WHERE WE DO NOT GET VERY SIGNIFICANT 24 GROWTH. 25 AND SO OUR PLAN THAT WE HAVE NOT PRESENTED TO MAY 27, 2010 236 1 THE BOARD OR TO ANYBODY IN THE COLLEGE COMMUNITY IS TO 2 LOOK AT TRYING TO ADD CLASSES IN THOSE KEY AREAS. 3 THIS WAS PART OF THE EQUITY RESOLUTIONS. THE 4 EQUITY HEARINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO ADD CLASSES IN MATH AND 5 ENGLISH. STUDENTS HAVE COMPLAINED BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT 6 ABLE TO GET SPECIFICALLY INTO THOSE KIND OF CLASSES MATH 7 AND ENGLISH. 8 SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE FELT ARE 9 UNDERLYING WHAT UNDERPINS THE BUDGET. AND WHAT WE NEED TO 10 TALK ABOUT IN MUCH MORE DETAIL. THE NUMBERS AND HOW 11 THEY'VE MOVED AROUND ARE REALLY NOT THE BIG ISSUE THIS 12 YEAR AS IS THESE MAJOR ISSUES BECAUSE THE NUMBERS -- 13 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: SO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO 14 TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS IN MORE DETAIL? 15 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WELL, I WAS TRYING TO BE 16 DETAILED RIGHT NOW. 17 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, OKAY, BECAUSE YOU 18 JUST SAID THAT THESE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IN 19 MORE DETAIL. 20 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IN MORE DETAIL. 21 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YOU MEAN TONIGHT? 22 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: NO, WHENEVER YOU WANT TO, 23 BUT MORE DETAIL. I CAN TALK ABOUT A DETAIL VERY MUCH SO, 24 BUT THE THING ABOUT IS IF WE DON'T GET TO IT PRETTY SOON, 25 YOU ARE RIGHT -- MAY 27, 2010 237 1 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 2 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: -- IT'S A PROBLEM. 3 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 4 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IT'S PROBLEM. WE HAVE TO 5 GET TO IT. 6 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 7 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: BUT WE ARE NOT MAKING 8 DECISIONS. I WANT TO CORRECT THE IMPRESSION. WE ARE NOT 9 MAKING THE DECISIONS IN THE COLLEGE PBC ABOUT CHANGING ANY 10 OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. AND WE ARE NOT 11 ADDING ANYTHING NEW. 12 SO BASICALLY, THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR SO FAR IN 13 THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN EVOLVING AROUND, ADDING BACK 14 STUFF THAT WAS CUT OUT LAST YEAR, RELYING MORE HEAVILY ON 15 FUND-RAISING, AND LOOKING FOR SOME CONCESSIONS FROM THE 16 UNIONS. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE ARE SAYING FOR THIS 17 YEAR THAT'S COMING UP. 18 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AND WHAT ABOUT STUDENT 19 SERVICES, DO YOU HAVE A -- 20 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I DON'T HAVE A WAY -- WE 21 HAVE NO WAY OF -- RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO DIRECTION OTHER 22 THAN TO GO EXACTLY FORWARD AND NOT DO ANYTHING NEGATIVE TO 23 IMPACT STUDENT SERVICES. 24 THE ANSWER -- WHAT WE ARE SEEING AS MANAGERS IS 25 THAT WE'VE ALREADY NEGATIVELY IMPACTED STUDENT SERVICES. MAY 27, 2010 238 1 WE CAN'T MORE NEGATIVELY IMPACT THEM, UNLESS THERE IS A 2 MAJOR DECISION TO TAKE MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. 3 AT THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXTRA 4 DOLLARS TO ADD BACK TO STUFF IN STUDENT SERVICES EITHER. 5 SO WE ARE KIND OF IN BETWEEN HERE AS FAR AS -- I MEAN, WE 6 ARE GOING TO HEAR PEOPLE SAYING QUITE OFTEN UP HERE IN THE 7 NEXT YEAR, AND I WANT TO AVOID THAT, IS THAT OH, WE SHOULD 8 HAVE BEEN ADDING BACK AREAS IN STUDENT SERVICES BECAUSE WE 9 NEED THAT. WE ALL KNOW THAT WE REALLY NEED IT VERY MUCH 10 SO, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME OF THESE OTHER 11 DECISIONS. 12 AND IF WE WANT TO TAKE $2.5 MILLION FOR THE 13 SUMMER, YOU ARE NOT PRIMARILY ADDING BACK TO STUDENT 14 SERVICES. YOU ARE ADDING BACK TO CLASSES, NOT STUDENT 15 SERVICES. 16 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 17 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: AND SO THOSE DECISIONS NEED 18 TO BE TALKED ABOUT AND DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE. 19 I'M PERFECTLY WILLING TO FOLLOW DIRECTION THAT 20 WE'RE GIVEN IN TERMS OF THIS, BUT I THINK THERE ARE HARD 21 DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED FULLY, NOT JUST LIVID 22 LATER ON WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, WELL, YOU'VE MADE THESE 23 DECISIONS. 24 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 25 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: AND NOW WE ARE LIVING THE MAY 27, 2010 239 1 PAIN. AND WE ARE NOT OWNING IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T MAKE 2 THOSE DECISIONS. 3 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 4 I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT -- YOU SAID, 2.2 5 MILLION TO ADD THE SUMMER BACK. 6 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: 2.5. 7 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: 2.5 MILLION TO ADD THE 8 SUMMER BACK AND HALF A MILLION FOR FALL AND SPRING? 9 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: RIGHT. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THAT SEEMS VERY HEAVILY 11 WEIGHTED TOWARDS THE SUMMER CONSIDERING THAT'S SIX WEEKS 12 AND FALL AND SPRING ARE TWO FULL SEMESTERS. SO WE ARE 13 REALLY NOT PROPOSING TO ADD MUCH BACK TO FALL AND SPRING. 14 WELL, YOU ARE NOT PROPOSING I GUESS. 15 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WELL, HALF A MILLION IS 16 ROUGHLY $6,000 A POP, HOW MANY CLASSES. 17 IS THAT JOHN? 18 CFO BILMONT: ABOUT 95, 90. 19 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: YEAH, SO WE ARE ACTUALLY 20 ADDING BACK -- LET ME MODIFY THAT SLIGHTLY. WHAT WE 21 PROPOSED BACK TO ADD 200 SECTIONS IN FALL AND SPRING, 22 WHICH WOULD BE 1.2 MILLION, BUT WE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING 23 TOWARD THE DONATIONS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO TAKE CARE OF 24 PART OF THAT. 25 TRUSTEE JACKSON: AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ADD, MAY 27, 2010 240 1 AND THIS IS WHAT TRUSTEE GRIER LIKES TO ADD, IS THAT THERE 2 ARE A LOT OF STUDENTS AT SF UNIFIED THAT ACTUALLY TAKE OUR 3 SUMMER SCHOOL OFFERINGS SEPARATE FROM OUR COLLEGE OF TEENS 4 AND KIDS FOR COLLEGE PROGRAMS. SOME OF THEM WHO ACTUALLY 5 USE THE UNITS TO ADVANCE FORWARD OR THEY ACTUALLY USE THE 6 UNITS TO MAKE UP UNITS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE. AND SO 7 THAT'S ANOTHER POT IN TERMS OF SUMMER SCHOOL. YOU KNOW, 8 THAT'S ANOTHER WAY SUMMER SCHOOL IS A HUGE BENEFIT, 9 ESPECIALLY SINCE SF UNIFIED CLOSED THEIR DOORS. YOU KNOW 10 NOT ANTICIPATING FINDING ANY EXTRA REVENUE. THEY QUITE 11 POSSIBLY WILL BE CLOSING THEIR DOORS AGAIN NEXT YEAR. 12 BUT I MEAN A LOT OF THIS STUFF -- I'M A LITTLE 13 CONFUSED BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS STUFF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT 14 ALREADY. I MEAN, THE CHANCELLOR SAID THIS AT THE LAST 15 BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING THAT WE HAD AT COMMITTEE LEVEL. 16 AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M ACTUALLY READY TO TALK 17 ABOUT THOSE EIGHT POINTS NEXT WEEK. AND SO THAT'S 18 WHERE -- I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST TAKE THIS -- 19 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, I AM READY TO TALK 20 ABOUT SOME OF THESE RIGHT NOW. 21 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: RIGHT. 22 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: IS 2.5 THE RIGHT NUMBER? 23 I MEAN, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT? 24 THE 2.5 MILLION TO HALF A MILLION FALL, SPRING 25 IS THAT THE RIGHT NUMBER? MAY 27, 2010 241 1 SHOULD IT BE 2.75 MILLION FOR THE SUMMER? 2 SHOULD IT BE SPLIT 50/50? HOW IS THAT NUMBER -- 3 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IS 4 THAT -- WHAT SHIRLEY DID -- 5 TRUSTEE JACKSON: THIS IS A BUDGET COMMITTEE 6 MEETING. 7 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: SHOULD I -- 8 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE JACKSON IS 9 OBJECTING TO TALKING ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM THAT 10 THIS COMMITTEE DEALS WITH. 11 TRUSTEE JACKSON: THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE COMMITTEE 12 MEETINGS FOR. I MEAN THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMITTEE 13 MEETINGS WAS TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN DETAIL. 14 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE 15 YESTERDAY. 16 TRUSTEE JACKSON: I MEAN, I AM JUST SITTING 17 HERE, AND IT'S ALMOST 11:40. AND THIS IS ALMOST COMMITTEE 18 TALK. THIS IS WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN AT THE COMMITTEE. AND 19 WE ARE GOING TO SCHEDULE ONE FOR NEXT WEEK, SO I WOULD 20 MUCH RATHER HAVE THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION AT A COMMITTEE 21 LEVEL WHERE WE ARE FRESH, WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THIS 22 CONVERSATION, AND WE CAN ACTUALLY ASK THESE QUESTIONS. 23 PRESIDENT MARKS: I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS 24 WITH DOING THIS -- I DON'T DISAGREE, VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO, 25 ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF FISCAL MAY 27, 2010 242 1 OVERSIGHT TO OUR ROLE. I DON'T IN ANY WAY QUESTION THAT. 2 BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVEN'T PASSED ALONG 3 SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE BEING 4 ASKED TO COMMENT ON THINGS WHERE THEY ARE CERTAINLY WELL 5 VERSED INTO THINGS, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE 6 DETAILS. 7 AND I AGREE THIS SHOULD BE PART OF WHAT WE ARE 8 DOING. AND IF WE HAVE HAD THE RETREAT, I THINK WE 9 WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS. 10 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: BUT EVERY TIME I TRY TO 11 ASK THESE QUESTIONS, LIKE I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS 12 NOW -- 13 PRESIDENT MARKS: I'M NOT STOPPING YOU. 14 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, WE HAD A TRUSTEE 15 OBJECT. 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: ASK THE QUESTIONS YOU NEED TO 17 ASK. 18 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IT'S ACTUALLY THE -- 19 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING 20 FOR MONTHS. 21 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: THE ENROLLMENT QUESTION IS 22 A VERY GOOD QUESTION. IN TERMS OF HOW DO YOU DETERMINE 23 WHAT TO PUT INTO FALL, HOW MUCH YOU PUT IN SPRING AND HOW 24 MUCH YOU PUT IN SUMMER. 25 HISTORICALLY AT THE DISTRICT, WE HAVE TRIED TO MAY 27, 2010 243 1 USE THE SUMMER AS KIND OF AN ACCORDION TO CATCH -- IN 2 OTHER WORDS, LET'S SAY WE HAVE A FALL AND SPRING AND WE 3 DON'T GET ENOUGH ENROLLMENT TO REACH OUR BASE, THEN WE TRY 4 TO HAVE ENOUGH CLASSES IN THE SUMMER TO COMPENSATE FOR 5 THAT SO WE DO GET TO THE BASE. 6 ABOUT SIX YEARS, FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO, MAYBE A 7 LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THAT, THE SUMMER TOOK ON A 8 DIFFERENT ROLE WITH THE COLLEGE. IT BECAME MORE SUMMER TO 9 A THIRD SEMESTER THEN TO JUST BEING, YOU KNOW, A SUMMER. 10 AND I THINK PART OF WHY YOU GOT PEOPLE GETTING 11 QUITE UPSET ABOUT NOT HAVING A SUMMER THIS YEAR IS THAT A 12 LOT OF PEOPLE WERE FEELING THAT WAY ABOUT IT. IT'S THAT 13 I'VE TAKEN MY FIRST SEMESTER, WHICH IS FALL, AND I TAKE MY 14 SPRING, AND I WAS EXPECTING TO TAKE ANOTHER CLASS OR TWO 15 TO BE ABLE TO GRADUATE FROM OR GET MY AA DEGREE OR 16 WHATEVER. SO IT'S TAKEN ON A DIFFERENT ROLE, AND WE 17 DIDN'T GET ENOUGH -- WE WERE NOT UNDERSTANDING ENOUGH OF 18 THAT. ALTHOUGH, I DON'T THINK WE COULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING 19 ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF ELIMINATING THE SUMMER. 20 SO BASICALLY, YOU LOOK AT THE FALL ENROLLMENT 21 AND YOU SAY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ENROLLMENT IN THE 22 FALL PERCENTAGE WISE WHICH YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH TOWARD 23 GETTING YOUR BASE, THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO ADD A FEW MORE 24 CLASSES IN THE SPRING. 25 AND IF YOU DON'T GET SUFFICIENT ENROLLMENT FOR MAY 27, 2010 244 1 FALL AND SPRING COMBINED, AT THAT POINT YOU ARE ALREADY 2 PLANNING FOR WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO IN THE SUMMER. 3 FORTUNATELY, MOST OF OUR ENROLLMENT COMES FROM 4 CREDIT. SO BY CENSUS WEEK, WHICH IS 20 PERCENT INTO THE 5 SEMESTER, YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD SENSE OF WHETHER WE ARE 6 MAKING OUR SPRING ENROLLMENT OR NOT. AND WE CAN PLAN AND 7 DO OUR SUMMER ENROLLMENT. 8 NOW THE REASON WE MADE THE SPLIT THAT WE ARE 9 TALKING ABOUT, ONLY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS PLUS MONEY THAT 10 WE GET FROM FUND-RAISING WAS THAT WE CUT BY 6 PERCENT THE 11 NUMBER OF CLASSES IN THE FALL AND THE 6 PERCENT IN THE 12 SPRING THIS PAST YEAR. 13 THE ACTUAL ENROLLMENT NUMBERS THAT WE GOT WERE 14 ONLY DIFFERED BY ABOUT 100 FTES IN THE FALL AND LESS THAN 15 THAT IN THE SPRING. SO WE ACHIEVED ALMOST THE SAME 16 ENROLLMENT AS WE WOULD HAVE HAD IF WE HAD THAT 6 PERCENT 17 IN THERE BECAUSE FACULTY ADDED A LOT MORE STUDENTS TO THE 18 CLASSES. 19 SO WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I SAID IN TERMS OF 20 RESTORATION FOR THE COMING YEAR, IF WE COULD RESTORE EVEN 21 A COUPLE HUNDRED SECTIONS OF CLASSES IN FALL AND SPRING 22 COMBINED THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE SUFFICIENT, MAYBE EVEN 23 LESS THAN THAT TO GET THE SAME ENROLLMENT. 24 BUT THE SUMMER SCHOOL, WHICH IS VERY VITAL FROM 25 THE COMMUNITY FROM WHAT WE HEARD AND BECAUSE WE NEED THAT MAY 27, 2010 245 1 NUMBER TO BOTH GET TO OUR BASE AND TO ALSO GET GROWTH 2 ABOVE THIS YEAR, WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PUT AT 3 LEAST 400 TO 500 SECTIONS IN THE SUMMER WHICH WOULD 4 GENERATE MOST CLASSES IN THE SUMMER OR FALL GENERATE ABOUT 5 THREE FTES ON AVERAGE PER CLASS. SO I NEEDED TO GET FROM 6 THE NUMBERS THAT I CALCULATED, WE NEEDED AT LEAST 1200 7 FTES. SO IF I PUT 400 CLASSES IN THE SUMMER, MULTIPLY IT 8 TIMES THREE, I GET THE 1200 THAT I NEED. 9 HOW DO I KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO NEED 1200? 10 BECAUSE I LOOKED AT WHAT I LEARNED IN THE FALL 11 AND SPRING OF THIS YEAR, AND I EXPECT THAT THE FALL AND 12 SPRING OF NEXT YEAR WILL BE SOMEWHAT EQUIVALENT. AND SO 13 THAT'S HOW I GOT TO THE DIVISION OF THE NUMBERS. 14 AND SO FAR THIS STRATEGY PRETTY MUCH WORKS, AND 15 WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THAT WAY. 16 IT'S MORE THE METHOD THEN ANY REAL SUPER BRAINPOWER IN 17 TERMS OF LOOKING AT IT. YOU JUST LOOK AT IT SEMESTER BY 18 SEMESTER AND THEN YOU USE THE SUMMER THAT WAY. 19 (TRUSTEES BERG, JACKSON AND NGO LEAVE THE 20 MEETING.) 21 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: I SEE. 22 WITH STUDENT SERVICES, I DON'T SEE -- I MEAN, I 23 DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY ADD MORE STUDENT 24 SERVICES WHILE ADDING ALL THESE CLASSES BACK. I MEAN, HOW 25 DO WE -- MAY 27, 2010 246 1 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WE CANNOT. THERE'S NO 2 MONEY. I MEAN, UNLESS WE COULD FIGURE OUT SOME WAY OF 3 GETTING SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE EVEN BEYOND THE GROWTH, 4 BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE BEEN 5 TALKING ABOUT, WE ARE SAYING EVEN WITH THE $1.7 MILLION OF 6 GROWTH THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET BY ADDING THESE CLASSES 7 BACK, WE ARE STILL BARELY GOING TO BREAKEVEN, EVEN WITH 8 SOME CONCESSIONS OF OUR LABOR UNIONS. 9 SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING VERY MASSIVELY 10 DIFFERENT TO ADDING BACK THE STUDENT SERVICES. AND IT 11 JUST SEEM TO BE IN THE CARDS, UNLESS SOMEHOW THE BOARD 12 MAKES A DETERMINATION THAT THEY WANT US TO PURSUE SOME 13 SORT OTHER RADICAL ACTION, WHICH I CAN'T IMAGINE AT THIS 14 POINT WHAT THAT WOULD BE. 15 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. I THINK THAT 16 APPARENTLY OUR BUDGET IS NOT AN INTEREST TO OUR BOARD 17 MEMBERS. 18 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: COULD I OFFER JUST ONE POINT? 19 PRESIDENT MARKS: YOU DON'T KNOW THAT, VICE 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO. 21 VICE PRESIDENT RIZZO: THEY ARE STANDING OUT IN 22 THE HALLWAY. 23 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: I AM JUST GOING TO ADD ONE 24 COMMENT SO THAT YOU'VE A COMPLETE DISCUSSION. YOU TALKED 25 ABOUT THE TWO LARGEST PIECES OF THE OPERATION, MAY 27, 2010 247 1 INSTRUCTION, AND STUDENT SERVICES. 2 IN TERMS OF THE OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE 3 INFRASTRUCTURE, I THINK THE MESSAGE IS THAT'S SHRINKING. 4 THROUGH ATTRITION, THAT'S GETTING SMALLER. AND THAT'S 5 JUST THE WAY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MANAGE IN THE COMING 6 YEAR. 7 (TRUSTEE RIZZO LEAVES THE MEETING.) 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: I DIDN'T REALIZE THE MEETING 9 WAS OVER. 10 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING 11 YOU WANT TO VOTE ON? 12 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN: CAN I GO LAST? 13 PRESIDENT MARKS: PARDON ME? 14 STUDENT TRUSTEE NEILSEN: CAN I GO LAST? 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: YOU WANT TO GO LAST. SURE. I 16 WILL GO FIRST. 17 I WANTED TO READ SOMETHING HERE ABOUT SOMEONE AT 18 CITY COLLEGE WHO HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN CITY COLLEGE WHO 19 JUST PASSED AWAY. 20 A LONG TIME CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEE, QUEEN ESTER 21 WILLIAMS PASSED AWAY SUDDENLY ON MAY 22ND. QUEEN MADE HER 22 CAREER AT CITY COLLEGE IN THE CUSTODIAL DEPARTMENT 23 BEGINNING IN 1966 AND RETIRING IN 1998 WORKING MANY OF 24 THOSE YEARS IN BATMALE HALL. 25 DURING HER RETIREMENT, QUEEN WAS ACTIVE WITH MAY 27, 2010 248 1 SEIU 1021 AND LOVED TO GO TO RENO, NEVADA AND THE INDIAN 2 GAMING CASINOS. SHE HAD TAKEN A CASINO TRIP ON MAY 20TH 3 AND PASSED AWAY TWO DAYS LATER. 4 QUEEN ALSO LIKED TO TRAVEL TO HOUSTON, TEXAS 5 WHERE SHE WAS BORN AND RAISED TO VISIT HER SISTER MARY 6 BROUSSARD WHO SURVIVES HER. 7 QUEEN LIVED NEARBY CITY COLLEGE IN THE LAKEVIEW 8 DISTRICT AND USUALLY WALKED TO WORK HERE. 9 QUEEN WAS BORN IN 1934 AND CAME TO SAN FRANCISCO 10 IN 1945. SHE WAS A DEDICATED MEMBER OF THIRD BAPTIST 11 CHURCH. HER FAMILY AND MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH ARRANGED A 12 SURPRISE BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR QUEEN IN 2009. 13 QUEEN USUALLY KNOWS EVERYTHING, BUT I GOT HER 14 THAT TIME. SHE WAS REALLY SURPRISED THAT BARRY JONES HER 15 NIECE. 16 QUEEN'S HUSBAND OSCAR WILLIAMS PREDECEASED HER. 17 QUEEN IS ALSO SURVIVED BY TWO BROTHERS, HERMAN BROUSSARD 18 AND JOHN BROUSSARD, BOTH OF HOUSTON AND NIECES AND 19 NEPHEWS. TWO BROTHERS PREDECEASED HER. 20 SO I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO ADJOURN TONIGHT IN HER 21 MEMORY. I THINK THAT WHEN WE SIT HERE TALKING AT BOARD 22 MEETINGS, A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION IS QUITE IN THE 23 ABSTRACT AND REALLY DIVORCED FROM PEOPLE. AND I THINK 24 TONIGHT WE HEARD PEOPLE GETTING UP AND TALKING ABOUT HOW 25 THEIR LIVES ARE IMPACTED BY THE PLACE, BOTH POSITIVELY AND MAY 27, 2010 249 1 NEGATIVELY. AND WE LOSE TOUCH WITH THE PEOPLE HERE I 2 THINK FAR TOO OFTEN. 3 IT TAKES PEOPLE EITHER COMING TO US AND SAYING 4 HOW MUCH THEIR LIVES ARE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED OR THE DEATH 5 OF SOMEBODY WHO IS A LONG-TERM STAFF MEMBER OF THE COLLEGE 6 FOR US, I THINK, TO BE KIND OF SHAKEN BACK INTO THE 7 UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS ABOUT SERVING PEOPLE. THIS IS 8 ABOUT A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COME TO WORK AND DEVOTE THEIR 9 ENTIRE CAREERS. AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE NUMBERS, IT'S 10 ABOUT THE UNDERLYING PEOPLE WHO ARE SERVED AND WHO WORK AT 11 THIS INSTITUTION. 12 CHANCELLOR. 13 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: NO, THANKS. THERE ARE 14 STILL PEOPLE HERE. 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: COUNSEL LEE, DO WE HAVE ANY 16 CLOSED SESSION ANNOUNCEMENTS? 17 COUNSEL LEE: YES, I DO. 18 THE BOARD MET IN CLOSED SESSION TODAY, MAY 27, 19 2010 AND TOOK THE FOLLOWING ACTION: 20 THE BOARD AUTHORIZED A DEFENSE FOR THE DISTRICT 21 AND THE TWO NAMED DEFENDANTS IN THE CASE OF ROBINSON 22 VERSUS SAN FRANCISCO COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT, ET AL. 23 THE BOARD ALSO AUTHORIZED ANY APPROPRIATE 24 COUNTER-CLAIMS AGAINST THE PLAINTIFF. 25 THIS IS A NEW LAWSUIT IN WHICH PLAINTIFF ALLEGES MAY 27, 2010 250 1 DEFAMATION, INTENTIONAL INTERFERENCE WITH PROSPECTIVE 2 ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE, NEGLIGENT INTERFERENCE WITH 3 PROSPECTIVE ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE, VIOLATION OF PRIVACY, 4 VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS RIGHTS AND INTENTIONAL INFLICTION 5 OF EMOTIONAL DISTRESS. 6 THE VOTE WAS AS FOLLOWS: THE TRUSTEES WHO VOTED 7 "YES" WERE BERG, MARKS, NGO, AND RIZZO. 8 ABSENT TRUSTEES: GRIER, JACKSON, AND WONG. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: OKAY. I HAVE SOME CARDS UNDER 10 THE REQUEST TO SPEAK, MAYBE WE SHOULD START WITH VICE 11 CHANCELLOR MURILLO. 12 VCAA MURILLO: GOOD EVENING. I'M VICE 13 CHANCELLOR ALICE MURILLO, VICE CHANCELLOR OF ACADEMIC 14 AFFAIRS. 15 WE HAD A GROUP OF STUDENTS WHO WERE TALKING 16 ABOUT THE AERO PROGRAM, AND I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD GIVE IT 17 A BALANCED VIEW AND PROVIDE YOU WITH MORE INFORMATION. 18 I HAVE SIX POINTS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE 19 THAT'S CLEAR FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION IF YOU NEED TO LATER. 20 BUT I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT WE DID HAVE THIS SEMESTER 21 TWO FULL-TIME FACULTY WHO IN APRIL REQUESTED LEAVE. AND 22 THEREFORE, COULD NOT CONTINUE THEIR CLASSES AND HAVE SINCE 23 IN TODAY'S BOARD AGENDA, YOU SEE THEM. THEY HAVE RETIRED. 24 DUE TO THE FACT THAT ONE OF THOSE CLASSES DID 25 NOT COMPLETE THE MATERIAL AS SPECIFIED BY FAA GUIDELINES, MAY 27, 2010 251 1 ALTHOUGH THE COURSE WAS COMPLETED AND THE HOURS COMPLETED 2 BY THE STUDENTS, AND THEY ARE GETTING THEIR GRADE. WE 3 NEEDED TO PUT IN ADDITIONAL HOURS. SO THIS WEEK AND NEXT, 4 WE'VE ADDED IN 47 ADDITIONAL HOURS SO THE STUDENTS CAN 5 COMPLETE THE CONTENT IN PREPARATION FOR THE FAA EXAM. 6 ALSO I WANT TO MENTION THAT THE STUDENTS TALKED 7 ABOUT NOT HAVING A DEAN. ASSOCIATE VICE CHANCELLOR 8 MCGUIRE, ALTHOUGH REASSIGNED TO THE POLICY AND RESEARCH 9 AREA, HAS COMMITTED TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ME IN TERMS 10 OF THE AERO PROGRAM IN MAKING SURE THAT WE MEET ALL THE 11 EXPECTATIONS OF THE FAA. AND WHILE THEY MAY SAY THEY 12 DON'T HAVE A DEAN, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN ASSOCIATE VICE 13 CHANCELLOR, AND THEY HAVE A CHANCELLOR -- EXCUSE ME, A 14 VICE CHANCELLOR BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY 15 WITH THEM. 16 I HAVE HAD ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE MEETINGS WITH THE 17 FAA AND THE FACULTY. AND I'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH THE 18 STUDENTS. AND ASSOCIATE VICE CHANCELLOR MCGUIRE HAS HAD 19 ONE MEETING WITH THE STUDENTS. THIS HAS BEEN SINCE THE 20 MIDDLE OF APRIL. 21 I ALSO WANT TO ADD THAT THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE 22 CURRICULUM, FAA REVISES ITS GUIDELINES OVER THE YEARS. 23 AND THEY ASKED US TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT OUR CURRICULUM 24 AND MATCH THEM TOWARDS THE FAA GUIDELINES. THAT WORK WAS 25 COMPLETED LAST FRIDAY BY ALL THE FACULTY AND CLASSIFIED MAY 27, 2010 252 1 WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT. WE SUBMITTED TO THE FAA TWO OF 2 THOSE ON MONDAY, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE CLASSES WE WANT TO 3 OFFER IN THE FALL. THOSE WERE APPROVED BY THE FAA. THE 4 OTHER SIX WERE SENT TO THE FAA. 5 AND I BELIEVE, MILTON MARKS, YOU ARE COPIED ON 6 THAT E-MAIL, SO YOU WILL SEE ALL EIGHT OF THOSE OUTLINES. 7 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 8 VCAA MURILLO: THEY ALSO ASKED US TO LOOK AT THE 9 INVENTORY LIST, EQUIPMENT LIST, AND ASSESS THE VIABILITY 10 OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THE LAB MOCKUPS. WE'VE COMPLETED THE 11 TWO FOR THE COURSES THAT ARE SCHEDULED FOR THE FALL. 12 THOSE TWO HAVE ALSO BEEN APPROVED BY THE FAA. THOSE WERE 13 APPROVED ON MONDAY. AND WE ARE WORKING ON THE OTHER SIX 14 AND HOPE TO HAVE THEM DONE BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK. AND 15 THAT IS IN TENTATIVELY FOR FUTURE CLASSES THAT WE OFFER. 16 ALSO I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT -- ONE OF OUR 17 CHALLENGES IS THAT IN APRIL THE DEPARTING DEPARTMENT CHAIR 18 SUBMITTED THE NAMES OF THE STUDENTS WHO WERE ELIGIBLE FOR 19 THEIR CERTIFICATION TO THE FAA. THE FAA DECLINED TO 20 ACCEPT THAT RECOMMENDATION. 21 AND THE REASON BEHIND THAT WAS WE HAD IN PRIOR 22 YEARS WITH THE APPROVAL OF FAA, COMPILED ATTENDANCE 23 RECORDS USING THE OLD FORMAT, A PAPER COPY. AND THEY 24 REALLY WANTED TO HAVE AN ELECTRONIC VERSION. AND THE 25 DETAIL THAT WAS EXPECTED WAS DIFFERENT. THEY WANTED THE MAY 27, 2010 253 1 DETAIL HOUR BY HOUR FOR LECTURE AND LAB BY THE TOPIC. 2 THEY WERE DRILLING DOWN MORE SPECIFICALLY BY HOURS. SO 3 THEY ASKED US TO REDO ALL THE ATTENDANCE ROSTERS. BUT NOT 4 ONLY FOR THIS YEAR, THEY ASKED US TO GO BACK TO 2007. 5 SO BECAUSE OF HAVING TO DO THAT, THESE REQUESTS 6 FOR CERTIFICATION WERE PUT ON HOLD. THEY WERE NOT 7 APPROVED. WE BEGAN WORKING ON THOSE REVISED ATTENDANCE 8 ROSTERS. 9 AND I HATE TO BE SO MATHEMATICAL -- 10 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 11 I HOPE I CAN HAVE ANOTHER MINUTE. I HATE TO BE 12 SO MATHEMATICAL, BUT IN LOOKING AT WHAT THEY ARE ASKING 13 FOR ENDED UP BEING ENTRIES INTO THESE NEW ROSTERS, A TOTAL 14 OF 91,350. AND SO YOU CAN'T GET THAT DONE IN FOUR WEEKS 15 WHEN YOU ARE COUNTING ON FACULTY AND CLASSIFIED TO HELP 16 YOU. AND YOU ARE TRYING TO FINISH UP THE SEMESTER. AND 17 THE TWO FACULTY WHO ARE STILL WITH US ARE COVERING THE 18 LOAD FOR TWO FACULTY THAT HAVE LEFT. SO THE BURDEN WAS 19 JUST INTENSE. 20 THE REALITY, WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN, FROM 21 THAT LIST, ONE STUDENT WAS APPROVED BY THE FAA. BASED ON 22 THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL APPROVAL, I REALIZED AND FOUND OUT IN 23 CONVERSATIONS WITH THE INSPECTOR FROM THE FAA THAT THEY 24 ACTUALLY USED THE OLD RECORDS TO CERTIFY THIS ONE STUDENT. 25 AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO MAY 27, 2010 254 1 NEGOTIATE FOR THESE PARTICULAR STUDENTS, THE TEN THAT ARE 2 REMAINING. THAT THEY WILL ENTRUST ME WITH REVIEWING THOSE 3 RECORDS AND LOOKING BACK AT THE OLD RECORDS TO CERTIFY THE 4 STUDENTS. AND UNLESS THERE ARE SOME GLARING ABSENCES FOR 5 THESE TEN STUDENTS, WE SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM. 6 I AM PACKAGING UP THAT LETTER AND WILL BE 7 SUBMITTING IT TO THE FAA ON TUESDAY SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE 8 THE CERTIFICATES BY THURSDAY. 9 AND THEN THE LAST POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS 10 AUTHORIZATION FOR THESE CERTIFICATES, YES, IT HAS BEEN IN 11 THE PAST THE DEPARTMENT CHAIR. BUT THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY 12 THE DEPARTMENT CHAIR AND DECLINED BY THE FAA. SO I'VE 13 BEEN ASKED TO KIND OF IDENTIFY THOSE FOLKS WHO WILL ASSUME 14 THAT ROLE THIS YEAR. 15 FOR THE SPRING TERM, IT WILL BE THE INSTRUCTOR, 16 THE FULL-TIME INSTRUCTOR WHO'S LEFT WITH MYSELF AS THE 17 ADMINISTRATOR. 18 FOR NEXT SEMESTER AND THEREAFTER, SINCE IN THE 19 REORGANIZATION, THE PROGRAM IS MOVING INTO THE SCHOOL OF 20 MATH AND SCIENCE UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE AUTO PROGRAM 21 AND THEN WE WILL IDENTIFY THE DEPARTMENT CHAIR FOR THE 22 AUTO PROGRAM, THE FACULTY MEMBER, THE FULL-TIME IN THE 23 PROGRAM, AND THE NEW INCOMING DEAN FOR MATH AND SCIENCE TO 24 BE THE AUTHORIZED SIGNING AUTHORITIES FOR THOSE 25 CERTIFICATES. MAY 27, 2010 255 1 SO BASICALLY, WE HAVE PLAN. AND WE EXPECT 2 EVERYTHING WILL BE IN PLACE BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK. THE 3 TIMING I THINK HAS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR US BECAUSE IT'S BEEN 4 AT THE LAST PART OF THE SEMESTER WHEN WE LOST TWO 5 FULL-TIME FACULTY. 6 SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD A BROADER 7 COMPLETE PICTURE OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING SINCE 8 APRIL 9TH. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 10 I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE YOU STARTED 11 SPEAKING VICE CHANCELLOR, BUT COULD OUR COLLEAGUES COME 12 BACK HERE, PLEASE. IF YOU ARE GOING TO STAND THERE, I 13 THINK PEOPLE HAVE THINGS TO SAY, AND I THINK IT IS 14 IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO HEAR THEM. 15 JOHN CHILTON. 16 MR. CHILTON: THANK YOU. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR 17 THE MISUNDERSTANDING EARLIER. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION 18 WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE THAT I WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO 19 SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING, AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF PUBLIC 20 SPEAKING. I PUT IN MY CARD AND WHEN I BELIEVE -- 21 PRESIDENT MARKS: JUST GO ON. WE'VE ALREADY 22 FORGOTTEN ALL OF THAT. 23 MR. CHILTON: TO BEGIN WITH, AS FAR AS I 24 UNDERSTAND WE DID MEET WITH ALICE MURILLO YESTERDAY AS A 25 STUDENT BODY. IT WASN'T THE ENTIRE STUDENT BODY. THE MAY 27, 2010 256 1 MAJORITY OF THE STUDENTS HAVE ALREADY TAKEN THEIR FINAL 2 AND HAVE ALREADY GONE HOME. BUT SHE MET WITH THE 108 3 STUDENTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY STILL THERE. 4 WHAT SHE DID SAY IS THAT WE ARE CUTTING CLASSES. 5 WE ARE NOT AFFORDING NEW STUDENTS TO SIGN UP FOR THE 6 CLASSES THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO OFFER FOR THE 7 UPCOMING SEMESTER, NOT SUMMER INCLUDED. WE ALREADY KNEW 8 THAT THERE WAS NO SUMMER SCHOOL. 9 ON TOP OF THAT, BASICALLY I TALKED TO THE FAA 10 INSPECTOR THIS MORNING. HE ACTUALLY CAME DOWN TO THE 11 SCHOOL AND SPOKE TO MYSELF AND STEFAN AND STATED TO US 12 THAT EVERYTHING THAT HE'S ASKED FOR SPECIFICALLY, THEIR 13 RECORDS BEING MET, THE RECORDS BEING ELECTRONICALLY -- I 14 ALREADY KNEW THAT BASICALLY WHAT HE WANTED WAS FROM THE 15 ACTUAL PAPER COPIES TO BE ABLE TO BE AFFORDED INTO OR IN 16 SOME WAY MAINTAINED IN AN ELECTRONIC FORMAT. HE HASN'T 17 RECEIVED ANYTHING AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED. 18 SHE'S RIGHT. WE DO HAVE ONE STUDENT WHO IS 19 ACTUALLY CERTIFIED BY THE FAA TO TAKE THE TEST WITH -- 20 THAT'S HINES. 21 MR. STEFAN: IT'S HINES. IT'S BASED ON HIS 22 SICKNESS. 23 MR. CHILTON: HE HAS CANCER IN HIS FOOT. 24 MR. STEFAN: HE HAS CANCER. 25 PRESIDENT MARKS: LET HIM FINISH. MAY 27, 2010 257 1 MR. CHILTON: THE SITUATION BEING AS FAR AS 2 WHAT'S GOING ON, WE DO HAVE STUDENTS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW 3 THAT ARE VERY NEARLY COMPLETED, BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO 4 BE AFFORDED THE CLASSES THAT THEY NEED TO TAKE FOR ANOTHER 5 AT LEAST TWO SEMESTERS. 6 AND WHAT WE WERE UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING FROM 7 ALICE WHAT SHE SAID TO US YESTERDAY WAS THE FACT THAT -- 8 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 9 -- WE ARE GOING TO GO, AND THEY ARE GOING TO 10 ASSESS IN THE FALL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE SPRING. 11 SO IF THERE'S NO STUDENTS IN OUR DEPARTMENT, THAT MEANS 12 THAT THERE'S NO DEPARTMENT, AND THAT'S THE GIST OF IT. 13 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 14 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 15 STEFAN. 16 MR. STEFAN: THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO 17 BE FAA LICENSED. SO IF AN FAA LICENSED PERSON CAN 18 CERTIFICATE THE STUDENTS IN ORDER TO TAKE THE EXAM, NOBODY 19 IS. IF ANYTHING FROM AUTOMOTIVE OR ANYBODY ELSE IS GOING 20 TO BE THE HEAD AND WANTS TO SIGN OFF, THE FAA DOES NOT 21 APPROVE THAT. SO THE HEAD OF DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO HAVE THE 22 FAA LICENSE. 23 THE OTHER THING IS THE NEW CURRICULUM WHICH HAS 24 TO BE WRITTEN. IT HAS TO BE ASSIGNED. IT HAS TO BE 25 CERTIFIED BY THE FAA. AND AS OF THE FAA THIS MORNING, MAY 27, 2010 258 1 NOTHING HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO THE FAA, NEITHER TIMESHEETS, 2 NOR PROJECT SHEETS, NOTHING, NO CURRICULUM, NOTHING. HE 3 HAS BEEN READY SINCE NOVEMBER. AND THE FAA WAS COMING IN 4 SINCE MORE FREQUENTLY ASKING FOR SOME STUFF FAA REQUIRES. 5 NOTHING HAS BEEN DELIVERED AS OF THIS MORNING. 6 THE STUDENTS, WE HAVE BEEN IN A (INAUDIBLE) 7 ACTION. WE PUT TOGETHER THE TIMESHEETS. AND WE ARE 8 NEARLY FINISHED WITH ALL THESE TIMESHEETS. AND THEN WE 9 ARE CUT OFF BY ALICE SAYING WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THIS, 10 SO SHE TOOK IT ALL ON. SO WE ALREADY HAD ALL THESE 11 TIMESHEETS IN PLACE ELECTRONICALLY. SO THAT'S THE STATUS 12 THAT WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW. 13 IT LOOKS LIKE THE CLASSES ARE CUT DOWN TO TWO 14 INSTEAD OF FOUR. AND THAT MEANS THE PROGRAM IS RUNNING 15 OVER FOUR YEARS. AND SOME STUDENTS STILL HAVE TO WAIT TWO 16 SEMESTERS TO TAKE THE LAST CLASS IN ORDER TO FINISH THEIR 17 EXAM. BUT THE EXAM GOES OVER THE WHOLE -- ALL THE 18 SUBJECTS. THAT MEANS, THE STUDENTS MOST LIKELY FORGET ALL 19 THE STUFF THEY HAVE LEARNED ONE-YEAR BEFOREHAND. 20 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 21 THANKS. 22 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 23 INGRID WYNN. 24 AND THAT'S THE LAST CARD I HAVE. I DON'T KNOW 25 IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING AFTER THIS. MAY 27, 2010 259 1 MS. WYNN: HI, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY 2 YIELD MY TIME BACK TO JOHN. 3 MR. CHILTON: THE LAST THING THAT I WOULD LIKE 4 TO STATE, AND I WILL BE VERY BRIEF, IS THE ONE THING I 5 PERSONALLY AS A STUDENT BODY PRESIDENT HAVE GOTTEN MORE 6 INFORMATION FROM THE FAA TO CLARIFY OUR SITUATION THEN I 7 HAVE FROM OUR ADMINISTRATION. AND HONESTLY, I THINK 8 THAT'S A SHAME. THANK YOU. 9 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 10 MR. VANDERPOL: CAN I REALLY QUICK? 11 PRESIDENT MARKS: GO AHEAD. 12 MR. VANDERPOL: THANK YOU. 13 I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, ESPECIALLY IN RESPONSE 14 TO -- 15 PRESIDENT MARKS: JUST SAY YOUR NAME SO THAT 16 THEY CAN IDENTIFY YOU ON TAPE. 17 MR. VANDERPOL: SORRY. THANK YOU. RYAN 18 VANDERPOL, ASSOCIATED STUDENTS OF OCEAN CAMPUS. 19 NUMEROUS TIMES THROUGHOUT THE ACADEMIC YEAR, I 20 REQUESTED OF THE STUDENT TRUSTEE AND THE DEAN OF STUDENT 21 ACTIVITIES TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE FROM ANOTHER CAMPUS TO 22 COME AND DO THE CONSTITUENCY REPORT. 23 I'M KEENLY AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE A 24 LOT OF OTHER A.S. COUNCILS OUT THERE AND A LOT OF OTHER 25 STUDENTS OUT THERE. BUT I WAS BASICALLY MET WITH -- I MAY 27, 2010 260 1 NEVER GOT ANYWHERE. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE 2 REALIZE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE OTHER CAMPUSES 3 WITH OTHER ASSOCIATED STUDENTS, SO THANK YOU. 4 MS. WYNN: THANK YOU, RYAN. 5 PRESIDENT MARKS: MS. WYNN, DO YOU WANT ME TO 6 HAND THESE OVER TO THE CHANCELLOR? 7 MS. WYNN: YES, PLEASE. 8 PRESIDENT MARKS: SHE HAD GIVEN ME PETITIONS 9 THAT STUDENTS AT THE EVANS CAMPUS HAD SIGNED ABOUT 10 CONCERNS ABOUT CLASSES THAT WERE PROMISED ABOUT ELECTRICAL 11 CLASSES AND ABOUT PLUMBING CLASSES. AND I JUST WANTED TO 12 HAND THEM OVER TO THE CHANCELLOR AND SEE IF THEY CAN JUST 13 BE RESPONDED TO ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. 14 GO AHEAD. 15 MS. WYNN: HI, MY NAME IS INGRID WYNN, A.S.E. 16 PRESIDENT FOR THE EVANS CAMPUS. 17 TECHNICALLY WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS 18 SIGNATURES FROM STUDENTS. AND I HAD SENT AN E-MAIL OUT 19 BECAUSE ON MONDAY I WAS BOMBARDED BY STUDENTS AT OUR 20 CAMPUS, AS WELL AS AIRPORT, WITH STRONG CONCERNS ABOUT 21 WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEIR PROGRAMS, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH 22 THEIR CURRICULUM, AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH WHAT THEY WERE 23 PROMISED TO HELP THEM SUCCEED AS FAR AS CLASSES THAT WERE 24 NEEDED. 25 THERE WERE A LOT OF CLASSES THAT WERE EXCLUDED MAY 27, 2010 261 1 BECAUSE BASICALLY WE'RE TRYING TO GO INTO A PROGRAM -- 2 THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD -- THAT WE'RE GOING INTO A PROGRAM 3 AND WE WERE LOOKING AT REQUIREMENTS FOR GRADUATION. 4 CUSTOM PAINTING IS NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT IT IS 5 SOMETHING THAT -- IF PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE THIS CLASS, AND 6 IT KEEPS THEM FROM PAINTING CARS ON THE STREETS AND 7 GRAFFITI, THEN BY ALL MEANS, WE ARE A CAMPUS THAT TEACHES. 8 SO I FEEL, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A GRADUATION REQUIREMENT, THE 9 STUDENTS FEEL THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TO TAKE. 10 AUTOMOTIVE ELECTRICAL CLASS, THEY WERE PROMISED 11 TWICE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GET THIS CLASS. THE SECOND 12 TIME AROUND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE FALL. NOW TO OUR 13 UNDERSTANDING, WE HAVE A HYBRID CLASS IN THE SPRING WHICH 14 IS GREAT. WE ARE LEARNING TO GO GREEN AND DEAL WITH THE 15 WHAT THE FUTURE ECONOMY IS GOING TO BE DEALING WITH, BUT 16 IN THE FALL IF YOU ARE TAKING TRANSMISSION TO GO INTO THE 17 SPRING AND TAKE HYBRID, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND ANYBODY 18 HIRING US AS STUDENT WORKERS OR EVEN AS WORKERS ONCE WE 19 COMPLETE THE COURSE. THERE'S NO WAY YOU GO FROM 20 TRANSMISSION TO HYBRID. ELECTRICAL TO HYBRID MAKES SENSE. 21 THERE ARE STUDENTS UPSTAIRS IN OUR CONSTRUCTION 22 PROGRAM TECHNICALLY THEY WANT PLUMBING. I DON'T SEE 23 WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM BEING ABLE TO TAKE PLUMBING. IT'S 24 BEEN CUT FROM THE PROGRAM UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. 25 IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE STUDENTS ARE MAY 27, 2010 262 1 REQUESTING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND A STATEMENT AS WELL, SORRY, 2 BUT IT'S ALREADY IN PRINT. IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE. IF 3 YOU HAVE MORE THAN 50 STUDENTS PER CLASS REQUESTING THIS 4 IS WHAT THEY WANT, I DON'T SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. 5 THANK YOU. 6 PRESIDENT MARKS: THANK YOU. 7 IT IS NOW FIVE AFTER 12:00. WE STARTED -- WE 8 WERE GOING TO START OUR RETREAT AT 7:30. CLEARLY, THAT 9 PARTICULAR PLAN WOULDN'T HAVE WORKED. SO WE'VE GOT TO 10 RESCHEDULE THAT. 11 I AM GOING TO REMIND US THAT WE ARE ADJOURNING 12 TONIGHT IN THE MEMORY OF QUEEN ESTER WILLIAMS. IF WE 13 COULD JUST HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE BEFORE WE ADJOURN AND 14 GO HOME. THANK YOU. 15 (A MOMENT OF SILENCE OBSERVED.) 16 PRESIDENT MARKS: GOOD NIGHT OR MORNING. 17 (MEETING ADJOURNED AT 12:05 A.M.) 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MAY 27, 2010 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER I, THE UNDERSIGNED, A DULY AUTHORIZED CERTIFIED SHORTHAND REPORTER, DO HEREBY CERTIFY THAT THE FOREGOING PROCEEDINGS WERE TAKEN DOWN BY ME IN STENOTYPE AND THEREAFTER TRANSCRIBED INTO TYPEWRITING BY COMPUTER, UNDER MY DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION, AND THAT THIS TRANSCRIPT IS A TRUE RECORD OF THE SAID PROCEEDINGS. DATED: JUNE 14, 2010 ______________________________ MICHELE M. SHEA, CSR NO. 11345 STATE OF CALIFORNIA MAY 27, 2010