SAN FRANCISCO COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT MONTHLY MEETING OF THE HONORABLE BOARD OF TRUSTEES THURSDAY, JULY 28, 2011 CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO GOUGH STREET CAMPUS 33 GOUGH STREET SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA REPORTED BY: MICHELE M. SHEA, CSR NO. 11345 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 3 4 THE HONORABLE BOARD OF TRUSTEES 5 6 CHRIS JACKSON 7 MILTON MARKS III 8 STEVE NGO 9 JOHN RIZZO 10 LAWRENCE WONG 11 12 13 DR. DON Q. GRIFFIN, CHANCELLOR 14 LEILANI BATTISTE, GENERAL COUNSEL 15 JEFFREY FANG, STUDENT TRUSTEE 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JULY 28, 2011 3 1 BE IT REMEMBERED THAT ON THURSDAY, JULY 28, 2 2011, COMMENCING AT THE HOUR OF 6:50 P.M. THEREOF, AT CITY 3 COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO, 33 GOUGH STREET, SAN FRANCISCO, 4 CALIFORNIA, BEFORE ME, MICHELE M. SHEA, A CERTIFIED 5 SHORTHAND REPORTER FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THE 6 FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD: 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JULY 28, 2011 4 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THIS IS THE MEETING OF THE 2 BOARD OF TRUSTEES, THE REGULAR MEETING. 3 COULD WE ALL PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF 4 ALLEGIANCE. 5 (PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE RECITED.) 6 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WE NEED TO DO THE ROLL. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, YES, I'M SORRY. I FORGOT 8 THAT. 9 YES, COULD WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 10 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: PRESIDENT JOHN RIZZO. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: HERE. 12 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: VICE PRESIDENT CHRIS 13 JACKSON. 14 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: HERE. 15 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: DR. NATALIE BERG. 16 TRUSTEE BERG: (NO RESPONSE.) 17 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: DR. ANITA GRIER. 18 TRUSTEE GRIER: (NO RESPONSE.) 19 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: TRUSTEE MILTON MARKS. 20 TRUSTEE MARKS: HERE. 21 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: TRUSTEE STEVE NGO. 22 TRUSTEE NGO: HERE. 23 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: TRUSTEE LAWRENCE WONG. 24 TRUSTEE WONG: HERE. 25 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: STUDENT TRUSTEE JEFFREY JULY 28, 2011 5 1 FANG. 2 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: HERE. 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE. WE DON'T 4 HAVE SOUND AT THE MOMENT. WE ARE TOLD IT'S COMING. WE 5 ARE RECORDING FOR THE RECORD, SO WE'LL JUST ALL HAVE TO 6 SPEAK UP UNTIL WE GET THE SOUND. 7 WE WILL START WITH ITEM III, PUBLIC COMMENTS. 8 WE HAVE TEN MINUTES SET ASIDE FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON 9 THE AGENDA. AND I HAVE -- I THOUGHT I SAW ONE CARD OR 10 TWO. 11 DID SOMEONE FILL OUT A CARD FOR PUBLIC AGENDA? 12 DENISE LOUIE. 13 MS. LOUIE: GOOD EVENING, CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN, 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I SPOKE LAST 15 MONTH, AND I AM HERE TO SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THREE 16 PROPOSALS. 17 NO. 1, IS TO APPLY THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN 18 PART 1, PRINCIPLE OF REMOVING AND AVOIDING INVASIVE PLANTS 19 TO ALL CITY COLLEGE PROPERTIES, CAMPUSES, WHETHER LEASED, 20 OWNED OR MAINTAINED BY CITY COLLEGE. 21 NO. 2, TO STREAMLINE THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR 22 PLANT REMOVALS AND PLANTINGS. 23 AND THIRDLY, TO ENSURE THAT THE NEW HEAD OF 24 BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS IS FAMILIAR WITH NATIVE PLANTS AND 25 INVASIVE PLANTS. JULY 28, 2011 6 1 AS IT HAPPENS, LAST WEEK WAS DESIGNATED BY THE 2 STATE LEGISLATURE OF CALIFORNIA AS CALIFORNIA INVASIVE 3 AWARENESS WEEK. AND SO I WOULD LIKE FOR EVERYONE IN THE 4 AUDIENCE TO KNOW THAT INVASIVE PLANTS ARE REALLY HARMFUL 5 AND THE STATE SPENDS OVER $80 MILLION A YEAR JUST TO 6 MONITOR THE PLANTS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH 7 FUTURE BUDGETS FOR THIS, BUT INVASIVE PLANTS ARE 8 DEFINITELY A PROBLEM. 9 IT'S NOT ME SAYING, WHAT IS INVASIVE? THE 10 CALIFORNIA INVASIVE PLANT COUNCIL OF CALIFORNIA HAS DONE A 11 GREAT DEAL OF RESEARCH AND CONTINUES TO DO RESEARCH ON 12 WHAT PLANTS HAVE ESCAPED OUR GARDENS AND HAVE BEEN FOUND 13 IN OPEN SPACES. 14 SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE IF YOU HAVE WEEDS IN 15 YOUR GARDENS, PLEASE REMOVE THEM. IF YOU PUT THEM IN YOUR 16 GREEN BINS, THAT WOULD BE EXCELLENT. OKAY. 17 I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT MY THREE REQUESTS, 18 AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, ARE SIMPLY ABOUT CHANGING THE WAY 19 WE DO BUSINESS AND -- 20 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 21 MS. LOUIE: -- DO NOT REQUIRE ANY EXTRA 22 EXPENDITURES OF MONIES. AND I WOULD LIKE TO -- 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 24 MS. LOUIE: -- IF I HAVE MORE TIME -- 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE ACTUALLY DON'T. I'M SORRY. JULY 28, 2011 7 1 WE HAVE TO GIVE EVERYONE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. 2 MS. LOUIE: OKAY, WELL, THEN WE WILL SEE YOU 3 NEXT MONTH. 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: BUT I WILL SAY, WE MAY TALK 5 ABOUT THIS ISSUE AT THE FIT COMMITTEE, THE FACILITIES 6 INFRASTRUCTURE TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEE, AND I CAN CONTACT YOU 7 WHEN THAT WILL BE. 8 MS. LOUIE: OH. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AND WE'LL HAVE MORE CHANCE TO 10 DISCUSS IT WITH YOU WITH MORE TIME. 11 MS. LOUIE: THANK YOU. 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 13 WAS THERE SOMEONE ELSE? 14 ANDREW MR. HOM, IS THIS -- 15 MR. HOM: YES, I AM HERE. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 17 MR. HOM: THANK YOU. 18 GOOD EVENING, TRUSTEES, CHANCELLOR. I HAVE BEEN 19 ASKED TO MAKE A BRIEF STATEMENT FOR THE ASIAN COALITION, 20 AND I WILL READ IT OUT LOUD. 21 "ON BEHALF OF ASIAN COALITION, WE APPRECIATE THE 22 CHANCELLOR AND THE BOARD'S COMMITMENT TO ENSURE DIVERSITY 23 WITHIN OUR COLLEGE'S ADMINISTRATION, FACULTY AND STAFF. 24 "WHILE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THERE ARE TREMENDOUS 25 EFFORT FOR THIS ENDEAVOR, THE ASIAN COALITION REALIZES JULY 28, 2011 8 1 THAT THERE IS MUCH MORE WORK TO DO TO ENSURE THE KIND OF 2 DIVERSITY WITHIN CITY COLLEGE AND ONE THAT REFLECTS AND 3 REPRESENTS THE STUDENTS' INTEREST." 4 THE FACULTY MEMBERS OF THE ASIAN COALITION JUST 5 WANT THE BOARD AND THE CHANCELLOR TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE 6 WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS ENDEAVOR TO MAINTAIN DIVERSITY IN 7 OUR COLLEGE. AND WE THINK THAT IT IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT 8 IN LIGHT OF THE NEW ADMINISTRATIVE EDUCATIONAL 9 APPOINTMENTS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA, SO THANK YOU. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 11 ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR 12 ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? 13 OKAY, WE WILL DO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 14 DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? 15 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO MOVED. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 17 IS THERE A SECOND? 18 TRUSTEE NGO: SECOND. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 20 TRUSTEE MARKS: HOLD ON A SECOND, PLEASE. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 22 TRUSTEE MARKS IS LOOKING IT OVER. DOES ANYONE 23 HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MINUTES? 24 IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MINUTES? 25 OKAY, THEN WE WILL JUST WAIT A MINUTE HERE. JULY 28, 2011 9 1 (PAUSE IN THE PROCEEDINGS.) 2 TRUSTEE MARKS: I WASN'T ABLE TO GRAB MY 3 (INAUDIBLE). 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE MARKS, ARE YOU -- 5 TRUSTEE MARKS: I DON'T WANT TO (INAUDIBLE). 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. DO YOU 7 WANT TO MOVE TO ANOTHER ITEM AND COME BACK TO THIS LATER? 8 TRUSTEE MARKS: WELL, I THINK THAT I VOTED ON 9 THIS. IT'S JUST (INAUDIBLE). 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, YOU ARE READY THEN? 11 TRUSTEE MARKS: WHAT? 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YOU ARE UPDATED, OKAY. 13 TRUSTEE MARKS: THIS IS -- THERE'S JUST AN ITEM 14 (INAUDIBLE). 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, GOOD. 16 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IS HE OKAY? 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? 18 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 19 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 20 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 21 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 22 TRUSTEE MARKS: AYE. 23 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 25 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. JULY 28, 2011 10 1 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 3 OKAY, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. 4 WITH THE BOARD'S INDULGENCE, I WOULD LIKE TO 5 TAKE ITEM F2 OUT OF ORDER, RESOLUTION F2, BECAUSE THERE 6 ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE THAT'S -- 7 TRUSTEE WONG: MAY I ADD ALSO F3? 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: F3 AS WELL. 9 TRUSTEE WONG: F2 AND F3. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 11 TRUSTEE WONG: YEAH, BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE -- 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THEY ARE HERE FOR -- 13 TRUSTEE WONG: -- WHO ARE HERE AND WHO ARE 14 SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF BOTH. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, 16 YOU ARE MOVING IT TOO? 17 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO MOVED. 18 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YOU ARE MOVING IT TOO? 19 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 21 TRUSTEE WONG: SECOND. 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE WONG. 23 OKAY. COUNSEL, COULD YOU TELL US -- 24 COUNSEL BATTISTE: OKAY. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- WHAT F2 IS. JULY 28, 2011 11 1 COUNSEL BATTISTE: "ADMINISTRATIVE EDUCATIONAL 2 APPOINTMENT, DEAN OF THE CASTRO CAMPUS AND SCHOOL OF 3 LIBERAL ARTS." 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS 5 WANT TO SPEAK NOW OR DO YOU -- 6 TRUSTEE WONG: I WILL WAIT. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YOU WILL WAIT, OKAY. 8 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: LET'S LET THE COMMUNITY 9 SPEAK. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SURE. OKAY, SO I HAVE A 11 NUMBER OF CARDS ON THIS. 12 LET'S SEE, TERRILYNN CONTLAN. 13 MS. CONTLAN: YES, TERRILYNN CONTLAN. I WOULD 14 LIKE TO RESERVE MY TIME TO SPEAK AT THE END OF THE SUBJECT 15 ITEM IF I COULD. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 17 THERESA SPARKS. 18 MS. SPARKS: GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, 19 CHANCELLOR, TRUSTEES. I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF 20 MS. BOB DAVIS. 21 MANY OF YOU HAVE COME FROM COMMUNITIES AND ARE 22 APPOINTED AND ELECTED TO THIS BOARD FROM COMMUNITIES WHICH 23 EXPERIENCE DISCRIMINATION. MS. BOB DOES IT WELL. MS. BOB 24 REPRESENTS ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES OF THIS CITY THAT 25 EXPERIENCES DAILY DISCRIMINATION, AND WE STRONGLY SUPPORT JULY 28, 2011 12 1 MS. BOB'S APPOINTMENT AS DEAN OF THE CASTRO CAMPUS. 2 IT'S RECORDED ANECDOTALLY, AND ALSO I THINK 3 EVIDENCE WOULD SUPPORT THAT 50 PERCENT OF ALL GAY -- OF 4 ALL LGBT YOUTH THAT COME TO SAN FRANCISCO ARE TRANSGENDER. 5 THEY LOOK FOR LEADERS. THEY LOOK FOR ROLE MODELS. AND 6 THEY LOOK FOR PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN RELATE TO AND THEY CAN 7 HELP THEM, PARTICULARLY, IN THEIR EDUCATIONAL ENDEAVORS. 8 THE CASTRO CAMPUS WAS SET UP TO DEAL WITH 9 INDIVIDUALS IN THE LGBT COMMUNITY. WE SUPPORT MS. BOB'S 10 APPOINTMENT, AND WE HOPE YOU DO AS WELL. THANK YOU SO 11 MUCH. 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY 13 MUCH. 14 HELEN DILWORTH. 15 MS. DILWORTH: GOOD EVENING, DISTINGUISHED 16 TRUSTEES. 17 ON BEHALF OF CITY COLLEGE, I WOULD LIKE TO 18 COMMEND YOU UPON CONSIDERING THIS INFINITELY QUALIFIED 19 CANDIDATE; THAT'S MS. BOB DAVIS. 20 RARELY, HAVE I MET A PERSON WHO WAS BETTER 21 QUALIFIED ACADEMICALLY AND EXPERIENTIALLY. HE HAS TAUGHT 22 AN INCREDIBLE RANGE OF CLASSES. HE HAS STUDENT RATINGS 23 THAT ARE OFF THE WALL. HE HAS DEMONSTRATED ACADEMIC 24 ACHIEVEMENT AND ADMINISTRATIVE SKILL. HE SERVED ON THE 25 ACADEMIC SENATE, HEAD OF THE CURRICULUM COMMITTEE. YOU JULY 28, 2011 13 1 KNOW ALL OF THAT. 2 BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THIS IS A MAN WHO MAKES 3 GOOD JUDGEMENTS. IT IS A MAN WHO IS FAIR. IT IS A MAN 4 WHO IS PASSIONATE. AND I THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING HIS 5 APPOINTMENT, MS. BOB DAVIS. 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 7 MR. ROSEN: MAY I HAND YOU SOMETHING, PLEASE -- 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 9 MR. ROSEN: -- FOR THIS ISSUE. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, FOR THIS ONE? 11 MR. ROSEN: YES, THANK YOU. 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: RAQUEL SANTIAGO. 13 MS. SANTIAGO: I WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE UNTIL THE 14 END OF THIS. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO 16 THE END. 17 ED ROSEN. 18 MR. ROSEN: THAT WAS FAST. 19 GOOD EVENING. I AM ED ROSEN. I AM A 30-YEAR 20 VETERAN TEACHER AT CITY COLLEGE. AND I TEACH ESL AT THE 21 DOWNTOWN CAMPUS. 22 I KNOW A GOOD TEACHER WHEN I SEE ONE. NOT ONLY 23 HAVE I BEEN ON MANY PEER EVALUATION COMMITTEES, BUT I HAVE 24 ALSO BEEN THE CHAIR OF SEVERAL TENURE REVIEW COMMITTEES. 25 THESE ARE MY CREDENTIALS, BUT I AM HERE TO TALK TO YOU JULY 28, 2011 14 1 THIS EVENING ABOUT BOB'S. 2 TWO YEARS AGO FOR PART OF MY SABBATICAL WORK, I 3 STUDIED MUSIC 26 WITH BOB, WHICH IS A MUSIC IN AMERICAN 4 CULTURE CLASS. AND I LOVED THAT CLASS. THIS CLASS IS 5 OBVIOUSLY A LABOR OF LOVE FOR BOB, AND I AM SURE IT TOOK 6 HIM YEARS TO GATHER THE AMAZINGLY UNIQUE COLLECTION OF 7 MATERIALS THAT MAKE UP HIS COURSE. 8 I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE JOB QUALIFICATIONS 9 ARE FOR THE POSITION OF DEAN OF THE LIBERAL ARTS AT CASTRO 10 CAMPUS. BUT IF BEING THOROUGH, EXTREMELY WELL-ORGANIZED, 11 AND BEING RESPECTFUL OF THE DIVERSITY OF OUR STUDENT 12 POPULATION ARE REQUIRED, THEN WE HAVE TO CHECK THOSE OFF 13 FOR BOB. 14 THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO WHAT IMPRESSED ME ABOUT 15 BEING A STUDENT IN HIS CLASS. SO MUCH SO IN FACT THAT I 16 CAME HERE TONIGHT TO TELL YOU ABOUT IT. BOB WAS EXTREMELY 17 FAIR IN HIS TREATMENT OF ALL THE STUDENTS IN THIS RATHER 18 LARGE CLASS, WHICH BY THE WAY HAD VERY LITTLE ATTRITION, 19 ANOTHER SIGN OF A VERY GOOD TEACHER. 20 HE WENT TO GREAT PAINS TO HELP EVERY SINGLE 21 PERSON GET THROUGH THE CHALLENGING WORKLOAD AND WAS VERY, 22 VERY ACCOMMODATING IN TERMS OF THEIR WORK, HEALTH, AND 23 PERSONAL DIFFICULTIES. 24 STEPPING AWAY FROM MY BEING A STUDENT FOR A 25 MOMENT AND BACK TO MY ROLE AS A TEACHER AT CITY COLLEGE, JULY 28, 2011 15 1 EVERY SEMESTER I HAVE TO EVALUATE MY PEERS IN TERMS OF 2 DEMONSTRATING SENSITIVITY TO THE LEARNING DIFFICULTIES OF 3 THE STUDENT. AND AGAIN, I WOULD GIVE BOB A RATING OF 4 OUTSTANDING. 5 OTHER CRITERIA THAT BOB MEETS WITH -- 6 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 7 MR. ROSEN: -- FLYING COLORS -- 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I'M SORRY. THANK YOU VERY 9 MUCH. 10 MR. ROSEN: I'M DONE. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 12 MR. ROSEN: YOU SHOULD APPOINT HIM. HE'S A 13 GREAT TEACHER. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT. 15 GUS GOLDSTEIN. 16 MS. GOLDSTEIN: GOOD EVENING. I'M GUS GOLDSTEIN 17 FROM AFT 2121. I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT. 18 AND I WANTED TO SPEAK ALSO IN FAVOR OF THE 19 APPOINTMENT OF MS. BOB AS DEAN OF THE SCHOOL OF LIBERAL 20 ARTS. 21 MY EXPERIENCE WITH MS. BOB HAS BEEN IN MY 22 CAPACITY AS A GRIEVANCE OFFICER AT AFT 2121. I HAVE BEEN 23 TO HIS OFFICE MORE THAN ONCE TO TRY TO HELP SOLVE 24 DIFFICULTIES BETWEEN FACULTY AND ALSO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN 25 FACULTY AND STUDENTS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, SORT OUT THE JULY 28, 2011 16 1 PROBLEMS AND COME TO REASONABLE SOLUTIONS TO CONFLICTS 2 THAT HAVE ARISEN. AND I FOUND HIM TO BE EXTREMELY 3 SENSITIVE TO SETTLE ISSUES OF, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT 4 PERSONALITIES AND NEEDS AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO TRY TO 5 COME TO A WIN-WIN SOLUTION WHENEVER THESE CONFLICTS ARISE. 6 HE ASKED PROBING QUESTIONS IN A WAY THAT IS NOT 7 OFF PUTTING OR CHALLENGING, BUT HELPS PEOPLE REVEAL WHAT 8 IS REALLY TROUBLING THEM SO THAT THE ISSUES CAN BE 9 RESOLVED. AND I'VE JUST BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH HIS 10 SENSITIVITY, AND I THINK YOU'D BE WELL SERVED TO HAVE HIM 11 AS DEAN. THANK YOU. 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 13 JOHN -- I'M SORRY I CAN'T READ IT. 14 MR. FAIELO: FAIELO. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: FAIELO, YES. 16 MR. FAIELO: YEAH, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF 17 MS. BOB. I WORK IN THE ADMISSIONS OFFICE AT CITY COLLEGE 18 AND I'VE WORKED FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS. AND I HAVE WORKED 19 WITH MS. BOB DIRECTLY. 20 LAST SPRING, I WORKED AT THE CASTRO CAMPUS. 21 LATE -- REGISTERING STUDENTS LATE. AND I'VE WORKED WITH 22 HIM IN A PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY. HE WAS NOT ONLY 23 ACCOMMODATING TO ME, BUT HE WAS ACCOMMODATING TO EVERY 24 STUDENT AND EVERY STUDENT WAS A SPECIAL CHILD WITH SPECIAL 25 NEEDS. AND HE IS JUST A STELLAR CANDIDATE. JULY 28, 2011 17 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 2 KEN TRAN. 3 MR. TRAN: HI, MY NAME IS KIEN AND -- 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: KIEN, I'M SORRY. 5 MR. TRAN: -- I'M AN INTERNATIONAL STUDENT. 6 I TOOK MS. BOB DAVIS' CLASS SEVERAL SEMESTERS 7 AGO, AND IT WAS ONE OF MY BEST CLASS IN MY EXPERIENCE AT 8 CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO BECAUSE HE IS ONE OF THE 9 BEST TEACHERS I HAVE TAKEN. 10 AS AN INTERNATIONAL STUDENT, ENGLISH IS NOT MY 11 FIRST LANGUAGE, SO HE HELPED ME A LOT WITH HIS OFFICE 12 HOURS. I CAME TO HIS CLASS, AND HE TAUGHT ME ON THE 13 MATERIALS THAT I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IN THE CLASS, SO 14 HE -- I WENT TO HIS OFFICE HOURS SEVERAL TIMES, AND HE 15 HELPED ME WITH OTHER MATERIAL, AND HE'S VERY HELPFUL. 16 HE'S VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE CLASS THAT HE TAUGHT. 17 AND I THINK HE IS A WONDERFUL STUDENT -- HE'S A 18 WONDERFUL TEACHER, AND I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I HAVE 19 LEARNED FROM HIS CLASS. THANKS. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 21 OKAY, RAQUEL SANTIAGO. 22 MS. SANTIAGO: GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. 23 I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF MS. BOB DAVIS' 24 APPOINTMENT TO THE DEAN OF BOTH CAMPUSES. 25 I HAVE WORKED WITH MS. BOB CLOSELY FOR THE PAST JULY 28, 2011 18 1 FOUR YEARS, AND I AM NOW MOVING ON TO SAN FRANCISCO STATE 2 NEXT SEMESTER. BUT I AM VERY PROUD TO HAVE WORKED WITH 3 MS. BOB OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS. 4 WHEN CITY COLLEGE FACULTY AND BUREAUCRACY FAILED 5 ME ON A LEGAL NAME CHANGE, MS. BOB STEPPED FORWARD AND 6 HELPED FACILITATE THAT. THERE IS NO OTHER FACULTY, ALMOST 7 NONE, WHO I HAVE WORKED WITH AS CLOSELY AS MS. BOB DAVIS. 8 AND I ASK THIS BOARD TO APPROVE HER APPOINTMENT 9 UNANIMOUSLY, AND THAT WILL ABOUT SUM IT UP. AND I RESERVE 10 TIME -- THAT SHOULD COVER IT. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. THANK YOU. 12 OKAY, JUSTIN LABAGH. 13 MR. LABAGH: GOOD EVENING. 14 I AM THE HEAD MEN'S BASKETBALL COACH HERE AT 15 CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO. 16 JUST TALKING IN SUPPORT FOR BOB DAVIS, YOU KNOW, 17 SINCE DEALING WITH MY ATHLETES, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE THAT 18 THERE IS A BIG CONNECTION BETWEEN THE MUSIC DEPARTMENT AND 19 ATHLETICS, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF BOB DAVIS. AND WE WOULD 20 SEND E-MAILS OUT TO TEACHERS TO CHECK ON THE STATUS OF OUR 21 STUDENTS, AND WE SEND MAYBE ONE OR TWO TO BOB. AND BOB 22 SINCE THEN GIVES PHONE CALLS BACK, AND LET'S ME KNOW HOW 23 THE STUDENTS ARE DOING. AND HE'S REALLY MADE HIMSELF 24 IMPORTANT TO OUR PROGRAM BECAUSE HE CARES. 25 AND THERE IS A LOT OF FACULTY THAT DO IT. I JULY 28, 2011 19 1 CAN'T SAY THAT IT IS JUST BOB, BUT I MEAN IT'S AMAZING THE 2 CARE THAT HE GIVES TO OUR STUDENT ATHLETES AND HAS CREATED 3 THAT BRIDGE BETWEEN MUSIC AND ATHLETICS, SO I HOPE YOU 4 CONSIDER HIM. THANK YOU. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 6 TERRILYNN CONTLAN. 7 MS. CONTLAN: YES, GOOD EVENING, PRESIDENT 8 RIZZO, CHANCELLOR, AND TRUSTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS 9 TERRILYNN CONTLAN. I AM ALUMNA OF CITY COLLEGE AND 2009 10 GRADUATION SPEAKER. 11 I AM HERE TO ASK YOU TO SELECT AND APPROVE 12 MS. BOB DAVIS AS THE CAMPUS -- CASTRO CAMPUS LIBERAL ARTS 13 DEAN. 14 I HAVE KNOWN MS. BOB IN A NUMBER OF CAPACITIES. 15 SHE HAS BEEN A GUITAR TEACHER TO ME, A MENTOR, A QRC 16 ADMINISTRATOR, A FACULTY ADVISOR, A SOCIAL JUSTICE 17 ADVOCATE AND A FRIEND. 18 I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT MS. BOB IS AN 19 INSPIRATIONAL EDUCATOR WHO BUILDS COMMUNITIES ONE PERSON 20 AT A TIME, MANY PROJECTS AT A TIME, ALL THE TIME. 21 I FIRST MET MS. BOB AT THE PHELAN CAMPUS IN 2004 22 WHEN I SHOWED UP TO HELP A STUDENT THAT WAS HAVING ISSUES 23 ON CAMPUS. AND IT WAS MS. BOB AT THE CENTER OF THINGS 24 HELPING TO RESOLVE THEM. 25 DURING THAT TIME, MS. BOB ENCOURAGED ME TO JULY 28, 2011 20 1 RETURN TO COLLEGE. I WOULD NOT BE STANDING HERE TODAY AS 2 A COLLEGE GRADUATE WITHOUT MS. BOB'S ENCOURAGEMENT. 3 MS. BOB WORKS TO BRING FACTIONS OF COMMUNITIES 4 TOGETHER WITH THE COMMUNITY BUILDING SKILLS TO SOLVE 5 STUDENTS PROBLEMS. 6 I WORKED WITH HER ON TREATING LGBT FILM FESTIVAL 7 AND MANY OTHER PROJECTS SHE FACILITATED IN THE QRC AND THE 8 GREATER COMMUNITY AT LARGE. MS. BOB IS A FABULOUS 9 ORGANIZER, MANAGER, ROLE MODEL, ACADEMIC AND COMMUNITY 10 BUILDER. SHE IS THE FIRST PERSON THAT ENCOURAGED ME TO 11 RETURN TO COLLEGE AND I -- I'VE ALREADY SAID THAT. 12 IT'S HER PERSISTENCE THAT FINALLY RESULTED IN ME 13 HAVING THE COURAGE TO AT LEAST TRY. MS. BOB WILL MAKE A 14 TOP NOTCH DEAN BECAUSE SHE ENCOURAGES EACH AND EVERY 15 INDIVIDUAL PERSON SHE MEETS. SHE CAN BE TOUGH AND WILL 16 CHALLENGE YOU TO DO MORE THAN YOU THINK YOU CAN. YET, SHE 17 IS ALSO COMPASSIONATE AND UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU NEED HER. 18 I KNOW FIRSTHAND BECAUSE I TRIED HER MUSIC CLASS. 19 UP THERE ABOVE YOUR HEADS IT SAYS -- 20 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 22 MS. CONTLAN: PICK MS. BOB. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, IS THERE ANY FURTHER 24 PUBLIC COMMENT? 25 OKAY, I AM GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. JULY 28, 2011 21 1 TRUSTEE WONG. 2 TRUSTEE WONG: YOU KNOW IN 1969 A GROUP OF MEN 3 SAID, "ENOUGH." THESE WERE MEN WHO MET SOCIALLY AT A BAR 4 IN NEW YORK. AND FOR MANY YEARS THEY WERE HARASSED. THEY 5 WERE BULLIED BY THE POWERS THAT BE. AND IN 1969, THEY 6 SAID, "ENOUGH," AND THEY FOUGHT BACK AND A REVOLUTION 7 STARTED. AND THAT REVOLUTION WAS CALLED, "STONE WALL." 8 AND THEN WE HAD HARVEY MILK WHO HAD THE COURAGE 9 TO SAY, WE CAN BE LEADERS TOO; THAT ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH. 10 AND AT CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO, WE HAD ONE OF THE 11 FIRST, IF NOT THE FIRST, LGBT STUDIES DEPARTMENT IN THE 12 WORLD. THIS YEAR THROUGH ARDEL DAVIS, WE STARTED THE 13 FIRST LGBT STUDIES MAJOR, I BELIEVE IN THE WORLD. 14 IN THE LATE 1980'S, I SERVED ON THE HUMAN RIGHTS 15 COMMISSION, THERESA. THAT'S HOW I STARTED MY CAREER 16 ACTUALLY. 17 IN THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY, I WAS CHAIRING THE 18 LGBT STUDIES ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE HUMAN RIGHTS 19 COMMISSION, AND I WAS ALSO A HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSIONER. 20 AND THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY CAME TO US AND SAID, 21 SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE ARE BEING HARASSED. WE 22 ARE BEING BEAT UP. WE LIVE IN THE TENDERLOIN. NOBODY IS 23 DOING ANYTHING. THEY ARE TURNING -- WE COMPLAIN AND 24 NOBODY IS PAYING ATTENTION. OUR PEOPLE ARE BEING BEATEN 25 UP, HARASSED, INJURED. JULY 28, 2011 22 1 AND SO THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION, MYSELF, 2 ALONG WITH OTHERS, DRAFTED A RESOLUTION FOR THE BOARD OF 3 SUPERVISORS THAT WAS PASSED, THAT WAS INTRODUCED BY 4 SUPERVISOR TERENCE HALLINAN, WHICH INSISTED AND CALLED FOR 5 EQUAL TREATMENT OF ALL PEOPLE, INCLUDING TRANSGENDERS IN 6 SAN FRANCISCO. THAT WAS HISTORICAL. 7 NOW TALKING ABOUT 1969 TO NOW 2011, THE 8 APPOINTMENT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE FIRST TRANSGENDER 9 COLLEGE ADMINISTRATOR IN THE UNITED STATES, POSSIBLY IN 10 THE WORLD. I AM VERY, VERY PROUD TO BE PART OF THIS BOARD 11 AND TO SIT ON THIS BOARD AND TO VOTE FOR THIS RESOLUTION. 12 THAT WILL BE A REVOLUTION IN EDUCATION. 13 SO I AM TRULY TOUCHED BY ALL OF YOU WHO CAME OUT 14 TODAY IN SUPPORT BECAUSE WE KNOW WE ARE PART OF A GREATER 15 CAUSE. WE ARE PART OF A MOVEMENT AND THAT MOVEMENT IS 16 CALLED, HUMAN RIGHTS. 17 AND AS RECENTLY AS A FEW DAYS AGO, WHEN OUR OWN 18 DIANE FEINSTEIN -- SHE IS GOING TO INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION 19 TO REPEAL THE DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT. AND THE PRESIDENT 20 OF THE UNITED STATES, BARRACK OBAMA, CAME OUT IN SUPPORT 21 OF SAME SEX MARRIAGE. THIS IS ALL CONNECTED TO THAT TRAIN 22 THAT WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS, WHICH IS HUMAN RIGHTS FOR ALL 23 PEOPLE. 24 SO I URGE MY BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE SITTING HERE 25 TO SAY THAT YOU HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF VOTING IN SUPPORT OF JULY 28, 2011 23 1 THIS RESOLUTION IN MAKING HISTORY FOR HUMAN RIGHTS FOR THE 2 TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY FOR CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO. 3 THANK YOU. 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY OTHER TRUSTEES? 5 TRUSTEE NGO. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING 7 OUT AND SUPPORTING MS. BOB. 8 THIS POSITION IN MY MIND, ALONG WITH THE F1 9 RESOLUTION, AS POSITIONS IN THIS COLLEGE MEAN A GREAT DEAL 10 TO ME. I THINK THEY MEAN A GREAT DEAL TO THOSE WHO 11 BELIEVE IN EQUITY AND ENSURING THAT WE DO WHAT WE CAN TO 12 CLOSE THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. 13 I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH 14 MS. BOB AT THE CAMPUS ACTUALLY. AND I HAVE NO DOUBT AS TO 15 HIS ABILITY TO HANDLE THE WORK OF BEING THE DEAN OF THAT 16 CAMPUS. 17 I HAVE NEW CONCERN FOR THIS POSITION BECAUSE WE 18 KNOW THAT FOR YEARS WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING OUR JOB AT 19 LEAST THE WAY I'VE SEEN IT TO DEAL WITH THE STRUCTURAL 20 REFORMS THAT ARE NEEDED TO DEAL WITH THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP, 21 WHICH ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY HURTING STUDENTS OF COLOR AT 22 THIS COLLEGE. 23 AND LAST YEAR, SOME MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD 24 BELIEVED THAT IT WAS TIME TO MAKE THOSE STRUCTURAL 25 CHANGES. JULY 28, 2011 24 1 MY CONCERN WAS -- AND THIS IS NOT JUST FOR THIS 2 APPOINTMENT, BUT IN GENERAL AS TO THESE TWO POSITIONS. MY 3 CONCERN WAS AT THE TIME OF THAT DEBATE IT GOT 4 UNREASONABLY -- I WOULD SAY HOSTILE. I THINK IT BECAME 5 SLIGHTLY UNPROFESSIONAL AND NOT VERY BECOMING OF WHAT THIS 6 COLLEGE WAS ABOUT. 7 AND TO SOME EXTENT THAT SENTIMENT HASN'T REALLY 8 CHANGED THAT MUCH AT THIS COLLEGE. IF WE SEE THAT 9 PARTISANSHIP WHEN IT APPLIES TO FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES OF 10 JUSTICE AND EQUITY AS TO THESE STUDENTS STILL LINGER. AND 11 I THOUGHT FOR SOME TIME THAT WE HAD ADDRESSED THOSE ISSUES 12 BACK THEN. BUT THAT PARTISANSHIP IS STILL HERE, NOT IN 13 THIS CONTEXT, BUT WE SEE IT IN THE SELF-STUDY FOR THE 14 ACCREDITATION. AND WE SEE IT IN OTHER FORMS OF DOCUMENTS 15 THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD UNFORTUNATELY. 16 I BELIEVE IN THIS LEGACY THAT TRUSTEE WONG SPOKE 17 ABOUT. THE BRILLIANCE OF THAT LEGACY, ALONG WITH THE 18 LEGACY OF OTHER GROUPS IN THIS COUNTRY, HAS BEEN THE 19 EFFORT TO WORK ACROSS GROUPS TO WORK AMONG AND BETWEEN 20 DIFFERENT OPPRESSED GROUPS. AND IT'S NOT JUST BEEN 21 SINGULARLY ABOUT ONE GROUP OR ANOTHER. IT'S BEEN ABOUT 22 WORKING TOGETHER ACROSS COALITIONS, BUILDING THOSE GROUPS 23 AND THOSE COMMITMENTS BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED 24 DISCRIMINATION, A LOT OF GROUPS IN THIS COUNTRY, TO STAND 25 AND RECOGNIZE THAT COMMON PURPOSE. JULY 28, 2011 25 1 I THINK IT WAS IN THAT INTEREST THAT WE ADVANCED 2 THE STRUCTURAL REFORMS LAST YEAR. AND DUE TO THE 3 CHANCELLOR'S LEADERSHIP AND SOME LEADERSHIP DISPLAYED IN 4 THE COLLEGE AMONG FACULTY, WE HAVE MADE SUBSTANTIAL 5 STRIDES. 6 IT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT I ASKED THAT WE APPLY 7 HEIGHTENED SCRUTINY TO THESE TWO DEAN POSITIONS THAT WE 8 ENSURE THAT THAT PARTISANSHIP IS LEFT WHERE IT SHOULD BE. 9 AND THAT WHEN WE ASSUME POSITIONS OF ADMINISTRATION THAT A 10 COMMITMENT, THAT COMMITMENT THAT THE CHANCELLOR EXPRESSED 11 AND THAT WAS INITIATED BY THIS BOARD IS CONTINUED, AND 12 IT'S REFLECTED IN NOT JUST THE WORK THAT THE BOARD DOES, 13 BUT ALSO THE WORK THAT THE CHANCELLOR DOES AND EVERYONE IN 14 THE ADMINISTRATION; THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENT HAT THAT HAS 15 TO BE PUT ON, AND THAT WE ARE ALL PART OF THE SAME TEAM 16 AND IN PURSUIT OF THE COMMON SAME GOAL. 17 I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH MS. BOB. AND HE 18 HAS PROMISED ME THAT HE UNDERSTANDS THAT. AND THAT HE IS 19 COMMITTED TO THE SAME PRINCIPLES OF JUSTICE AND EQUITY FOR 20 ALL OF OUR STUDENTS THAT THE BOARD HAD EXPRESSED LAST 21 YEAR. AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT I WILL BE VOTING IN 22 SUPPORT OF THIS RESOLUTION, TRUSTEES. AND I LOOK FORWARD 23 TO THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT HE WILL ADD IN THIS POSITION. 24 THANK YOU. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE JACKSON. JULY 28, 2011 26 1 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE 2 TO SAY THAT I AM A LITTLE OVERWHELMED BY THE SHEER MASS OF 3 PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME OUT TO SUPPORT MS. BOB. IF I WOULD 4 HAVE KNOWN THIS MANY PEOPLE WERE GOING TO COME OUT, I 5 WOULD HAVE DRESSED A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR THE OCCASION. 6 BUT I AM A NEW DAD, SO I GET DAD CREDIT FOR A COUPLE OF 7 MORE MONTHS. 8 BUT I WILL SAY, I KNOW ONE OF MY MEASURES OF HOW 9 GREAT A PERSON IS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH SUPPORT THAT THEY 10 HAVE WITHIN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST 11 SEEING THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY COME OUT, SEEING THE 12 CAMPUS COMMUNITY COME OUT, SEEING MS. BOB'S PEERS COME OUT 13 AND SAY UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT MS. BOB IS THE PERSON FOR THIS 14 CASTRO CAMPUS MAKES ME FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH SUPPORTING 15 MS. BOB. 16 YOU KNOW, HEARING THE STORIES OF STUDENTS AND 17 FACULTY MEMBERS AND THE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY LIKE 18 MS. SPARKS TALK ABOUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, 19 MAKES ME FEEL PROUD WHERE WE HAVE ADMINISTRATORS THAT 20 AREN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, 9 TO 5 PEOPLE, BUT HAVE TOUCHED THE 21 LIVES 24/7 WHERE PEOPLE FEEL FREE TO COME IN THE EVENING 22 TIME TO COME SUPPORT A VERY IMPORTANT PROMOTION LIKE THIS. 23 YOU KNOW, I TOO SHARE THE SENTIMENTS OF TRUSTEE 24 NGO AND TRUSTEE WONG, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF SAYING THAT, 25 YOU KNOW, IN OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT JULY 28, 2011 27 1 THESE COMMUNITIES SEE SOMEONE THAT HAS THE SAME 2 EXPERIENCES OF THEM, BE IN POSITIONS OF POWER BECAUSE THAT 3 MEANS THAT SOME DAY THEY CAN BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN BE IN A 4 POSITION OF POWER AND A POSITION OF INFLUENCE THAT CHANGE 5 THINGS FOR THEIR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. 6 SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THOSE SENTIMENTS AND WITH 7 THIS COMMUNITY EMBRACE OF MS. BOB, YOU KNOW, I AM VERY 8 PROUD TO SUPPORT THE APPOINTMENT OF MS. BOB TO THE DEAN OF 9 THE CASTRO CAMPUS. I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO SEE 10 THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT OF CITY COLLEGE BECAUSE WE STILL DO 11 HAVE A GAP IN TERMS OF TRANSGENDERS, ESPECIALLY 12 TRANSGENDERED FOLKS OF COLOR IN TERMS OF THEIR ACADEMIC 13 ACHIEVEMENTS, AND THAT'S AN ISSUE OF RESOURCES. THAT'S AN 14 ISSUE THAT'S FAR BEYOND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, 15 WE HAVE A PURVIEW. BUT I DO KNOW THAT MS. BOB WILL HELP 16 CLOSE THAT GAP. AND I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT. 17 SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING OUT HERE TODAY. 18 YOUR PRESENCE IS GREATLY NOTED. THANK YOU. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, IS THERE ANY FURTHER 20 DISCUSSION? 21 DID WE HAVE A MOTION? 22 TRUSTEE WONG: WE MOTIONED IT, DIDN'T WE? 23 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YOU DID. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 25 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) JULY 28, 2011 28 1 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 2 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 3 TRUSTEE MARKS: AYE. 4 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 6 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 7 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 9 OKAY, THE MOTION CARRIES. 10 TRUSTEE WONG: ANOTHER MILESTONE. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 12 I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND APPROVE THE 13 RESOLUTIONS AGENDA. 14 TRUSTEE WONG: MOVE F3. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I THINK WE -- 16 TRUSTEE WONG: OH, BEFORE -- 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- NEED TO APPROVE THE 18 RESOLUTIONS AGENDA. 19 TRUSTEE WONG: -- OKAY. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 21 TRUSTEE WONG: SO MOVED. 22 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SECOND. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE 24 RESOLUTIONS AGENDA, COUNSEL? 25 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT. JULY 28, 2011 29 1 AS TO REVISED RESOLUTIONS, THERE'S P1, "THE 2 NOTICE OF INTENTION TO AMEND THE SFCCD POLICY MANUAL BY 3 ADDING PM 1.17, AUDIT COMMITTEE CHARTER." 4 I SHOULD ALSO ADD THAT RESOLUTION B7, THERE'S AN 5 ERROR IN THE AMOUNT, WHICH IS BEING REQUESTED. ON B7 THE 6 RESOLUTION IS REQUESTING THAT IT "BE NOT TO EXCEED 7 $61,700." THE AMOUNT SHOULD BE "$53,200." SO THAT NEEDS 8 TO BE NOTED AND CHANGED. 9 AS TO ADDED RESOLUTIONS, THERE'S S6, WHICH IS 10 "THE EXTENSION OF CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO/SAN 11 FRANCISCO POLICE DEPARTMENT MASTER AGREEMENT THROUGH 12 AUGUST 31ST, 2011." 13 AS TO SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTIONS, THERE ARE NONE AT 14 THIS TIME. 15 AS TO WITHDRAWN RESOLUTIONS, THERE ARE NONE AT 16 THIS TIME. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: COUNCIL, ON B7, YOU SAID THE 18 CORRECT FIGURE IS 58 -- 19 COUNSEL BATTISTE: $53,200. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: $53,200 -- 21 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES. 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- WHICH IS A FEW THOUSAND 23 LESS THAN THE 61,000 THAT IS AN ERROR. I ASSUME YOU 24 BELIEVE THIS IS A NON-SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE OR -- 25 COUNSEL BATTISTE: CORRECT. JULY 28, 2011 30 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 2 COUNSEL BATTISTE: NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS A 3 SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE, MR. PRESIDENT. IT'S JUST A CLERICAL 4 ERROR. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 6 COUNSEL BATTISTE: I HAVE LOOKED AT THE CONTRACT 7 FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND I THINK IT'S OKAY IF WE 8 GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THE AMOUNT. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. 10 TRUSTEE MARKS. 11 TRUSTEE MARKS: I THOUGHT THAT I WAS GOING TO BE 12 ADDED TO THE P1 -- 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: P1 AND P2. 14 TRUSTEE MARKS: YES. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO 16 HAPPEN. MY APOLOGIES. 17 RESOLUTIONS P1 AND P2, TRUSTEE MARKS -- 18 TRUSTEE MARKS: IT CAN BE DONE. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I'M SORRY. 20 TRUSTEE MARKS: IT CAN BE DONE. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IT CAN BE DONE. JUST NOTE FOR 22 THE RECORD TRUSTEES MARKS IS AN ORIGINATOR FOR P1 AND P2. 23 COUNSEL BATTISTE: OH, OKAY. 24 TRUSTEE MARKS: IT'S -- I'M NOT THE ORIGINATOR 25 OF THOSE. JULY 28, 2011 31 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: HE'S NOT LISTED THERE. 2 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: HE IS? 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH, HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE. 4 ANY DISCUSSION ON THE RESOLUTIONS AGENDA? 5 IT WAS MOVED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON I BELIEVE AND 6 SECONDED BY TRUSTEE WONG (SIC). 7 ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? 8 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 9 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 10 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 11 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 12 TRUSTEE MARKS: AYE. 13 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 15 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 16 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 18 THE RESOLUTION AGENDA IS IT ADOPTED. 19 WE CAN NOW GO TO F3. 20 COUNCIL, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT F3 IS. 21 COUNSEL BATTISTE: I'M SORRY, MR. PRESIDENT, F3? 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES. 23 COUNSEL BATTISTE: OKAY. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE ARE TAKING F3 OUT OF ORDER. 25 COUNSEL BATTISTE: OH, ALL RIGHT. JULY 28, 2011 32 1 YES, MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS THE RESOLUTION FOR 2 THE -- IF I COULD GET TO IT SORRY. IT'S "THE 3 ADMINISTRATIVE EDUCATIONAL APPOINTMENT FOR THE DEAN OF 4 SCHOOL OF SCIENCE AND MATHEMATICS." 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, IS THERE A MOTION FOR 6 F3? 7 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: SO MOVED. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY STUDENT TRUSTEE. 9 TRUSTEE WONG: SECOND. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE WONG. 11 DISCUSSION? 12 OR PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST, WHATEVER IS THE BOARD'S 13 PLEASURE? 14 TRUSTEE WONG: DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? 15 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, TRUSTEE JACKSON. 17 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I JUST WANT TO KNOW 18 THIS IS REGARDING THE CHANCELLOR. HAVE YOU TALKED TO 19 MR. YEE REGARDING JUST THE WHOLE MYRIAD OF STUDENT EQUITY 20 KIND OF CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, ESPECIALLY REGARDING, YOU 21 KNOW, MATH AND, YOU KNOW, BASIC SKILLS BECAUSE I KNOW PART 22 OF THE PURVIEW IS KIND OF SHEPHERDING THOSE CHANGES 23 THROUGH. 24 HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION 25 REGARDING THOSE? AND WHAT WERE THIS PERSON -- JULY 28, 2011 33 1 I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S HERE RIGHT NOW. 2 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: NO. 3 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: IF DAVID'S HERE, BUT 4 WHAT ARE HIS THOUGHTS? 5 TRUSTEE WONG: NO, HE'S NOT HERE. 6 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IT'S NOT TRADITIONAL FOR 7 POTENTIAL OR PERSPECTIVE ADMINISTRATORS TO COME TO THESE 8 MEETINGS. THEY COME AFTERWARDS. 9 IN FACT THERE'S A NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATORS HERE 10 TONIGHT WHO WERE APPOINTED LAST MONTH, WHICH WE WOULD LIKE 11 TO CONGRATULATE TONIGHT. 12 BUT, YES, I'VE HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH 13 DAVID YEE. AND AS YOU KNOW, I'VE RECOMMENDED HIM 14 ENTHUSIASTICALLY FOR THIS APPOINTMENT. 15 DAVID HAS A LONG AND PRODUCTIVE HISTORY AT THE 16 COLLEGE AS YOU CAN SEE FROM HIS RESUME. HE UNDERSTANDS 17 FULLY THE EXPECTATIONS IN REGARDS TO THE EQUITY RESOLUTION 18 AND CLOSING THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. HE HAS BEEN VERY 19 INSTRUMENTAL ALREADY IN TERMS OF WHEN HE WAS AN INTERIM IN 20 DOING A NUMBER OF THINGS, INCLUDING GETTING THE 21 AERONAUTICS PROGRAM BACK IN GEAR, WHICH WAS A PROGRAM THAT 22 WAS JUST ABOUT IN DISREPAIR AT THE POINT THAT HE TOOK IT 23 ON, ALONG WITH OTHERS. 24 BUT, NO, DAVID FULLY UNDERSTANDS AND FULLY 25 SUPPORTS THE MISSION OF THE COLLEGE AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING JULY 28, 2011 34 1 TO DO IN TERMS OF CLOSING THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE NGO. 3 TRUSTEE NGO: I TOO WANT TO SPEAK BE ON BEHALF 4 OF MR. YEE. 5 AGAIN, THIS IS A CONCERN I'VE EXPRESSED WITH THE 6 PREVIOUS POSITION, THE DEAN OF SCHOOL OF LIBERAL ARTS 7 WHICH OVERSEES ENGLISH WHERE WE'VE HAD SOME -- WELL, WE 8 ARE BASICALLY LOSING A LOT OF STUDENTS THROUGH THESE 9 STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE AND THE REMEDIATION 10 COURSES THAT SEQUENCES OR THAT HAVE BEEN TRADITIONALLY TOO 11 LONG. 12 IN SIMILAR A VAIN, I HAVE EXPRESSED A HIGHER 13 CONCERN OR NEW CONCERN FOR THIS POSITION BECAUSE IT IS 14 OVERSEEING THE WORK OF -- VITAL WORK IN THE MATH 15 CURRICULUM, NOT DIRECTLY, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT OVERSEES THE 16 SCHOOL -- THE SCIENCE AND MATHEMATICS. AND I'VE EXPRESSED 17 SIMILAR CONCERNS ABOUT HOW VITAL THIS EFFORT IS TO CLOSE 18 THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP, HOW THIS GAP IS SO MUCH MORE DAUNTING 19 IN MATH. 20 IN PARTICULAR, WHERE WE SEE THESE GAPS BETWEEN 21 STUDENTS OF COLOR AND OTHER STUDENTS. AND THAT AS AN 22 ADMINISTRATOR AS PART OF A TEAM WITH THE POLICY DIRECTION 23 OF THE BOARD AND THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CHANCELLOR, THAT WE 24 CONTINUE TO ADVANCE OUR EFFORT TO CLOSE THAT ACHIEVEMENT, 25 TO BUILD ON OUR REFORMS THAT WE HAVE PUSHED THROUGH, THE JULY 28, 2011 35 1 CHANCELLOR HAS LED, AND THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE SO 2 WONDERFULLY IMPLEMENTED. AND THAT IT IS CLEAR THAT WE 3 HAVE MOVED PAST THE POINT IN TERMS OF EXPECTATION THAT THE 4 PARTISANSHIP IS NOT TAKEN WITH THIS IN THIS NEW SPACE AND 5 I FULLY EXPECT THAT. 6 I EXPECT THAT WE ARE ALL WORKING AS ONE TOWARDS 7 ONE MISSION. AND THAT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STUDENTS 8 GET THE BEST PROGRAM POSSIBLE, AND THAT WE CLOSE THIS 9 ACHIEVEMENT GAP THAT HAS BEEN HAMPERING MANY COMMUNITIES 10 AND THIS INSTITUTION FOR TOO LONG. 11 AND I HAVE TALKED TO MR. YEE, AND HE HAS ASSURED 12 ME THAT HE AGREES WITH THE SENTIMENT. AND AS A RESULT I 13 WILL HOLD HIM TO HIS WORD AND RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD THAT 14 WE ADOPT F3. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 16 TRUSTEE NGO: THANK YOU. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? 18 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG. 19 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: YES, I WOULD LIKE TO 20 SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF DAVID YEE FOR THE POSITION LISTED FOR 21 APPROVAL ON F3 BECAUSE FROM MY EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH 22 MR. YEE, IS THAT HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY CONSISTENT IN 23 EXECUTING HIS WORK TASK AS GIVEN TO HIM. AND I FULLY 24 BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A COLLEGE WE HAVE BEEN IN THE 25 MIND OF CLOSING THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP, AND WE DO IT AS A JULY 28, 2011 36 1 WHOLE. 2 AND I BELIEVE MR. YEE WILL EXECUTE THAT 3 PROPERLY. AND NOT ONLY THAT, HE WILL ALSO EXECUTE ALL THE 4 DUTY AND TASKS THAT'S ASSIGNED TO HIM. SO WITH THAT, I 5 BELIEVE HE SHOULD BE APPOINTED TO THIS POSITION. 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 7 TRUSTEE MARKS. 8 TRUSTEE MARKS: IT DOESN'T SAY ANYWHERE ON HERE 9 THAT "BOARD OF TRUSTEES' APPROVAL IS REQUIRED." 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T -- 11 TRUSTEE MARKS: IT DOESN'T SAY ANYWHERE 12 THAT"BOARD OF TRUSTEES' APPROVAL IS REQUIRED." 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IT DOESN'T SAY ANYWHERE ON 14 HERE THAT THE "BOARD OF TRUSTEES' APPROVAL IS REQUIRED." 15 TRUSTEE MARKS: IT DOESN'T SAY ANYWHERE ON HERE 16 THAT BOARD OF TRUSTEES' APPROVAL IS NOT REQUIRED." 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH, IT ACTUALLY DOES SAY 18 IT -- 19 TRUSTEE MARKS: IT DOESN'T SAY IT -- 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- UNDER BACKGROUND 21 INFORMATION IN. 22 TRUSTEE MARKS: -- IN TERMS OF -- IT DOESN'T 23 SAY -- IT DOESN'T SAY IT ALREADY ON HERE. THE BOARD OF 24 TRUSTEES APPROVAL IS REQUIRED ON BOB DAVIS' ONE. AND IT 25 DOESN'T SAY ANYWHERE ON HERE THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES' JULY 28, 2011 37 1 APPROVAL IS REQUIRED ON DAVID YEE'S CONTRACT. IT DOESN'T 2 SAY ANYTHING ON HERE. 3 TRUSTEE WONG: ISN'T IT ON THE FIRST PARAGRAPH? 4 TRUSTEE MARKS: WHAT? 5 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: IT'S IN THE BACKGROUND -- 6 TRUSTEE MARKS: I CAN'T REFER YOU TO -- 7 TRUSTEE WONG: UNDER "BACKGROUND," THE LAST 8 SENTENCE. 9 TRUSTEE MARKS: WHAT? 10 TRUSTEE NGO: IT'S RIGHT HERE (INDICATING). 11 TRUSTEE WONG: UNDER "BACKGROUND INFORMATION," 12 THE FIRST SENTENCE -- I MEAN THE LAST SENTENCE. 13 TRUSTEE MARKS: IT'S NOT ON HERE. IT'S NOT ON 14 HERE, "BOARD OF TRUSTEES' APPROVAL IS REQUIRED." 15 TRUSTEE WONG: RIGHT. 16 TRUSTEE MARKS: IT DOESN'T SAY IT ON HERE. 17 TRUSTEE WONG: IT DOES. 18 TRUSTEE MARKS: IT DOESN'T SAY IT ON HERE. 19 WELL, IT DOES REFER TO IT. SO WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT? 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, IT'S RIGHT THERE 21 (INDICATING). 22 COUNSEL BATTISTE: IT'S AT THE END OF THE FIRST 23 PARAGRAPH. 24 TRUSTEE MARKS: WELL, I WILL VOTE AGAINST IT. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, I DON'T -- I DON'T JULY 28, 2011 38 1 UNDERSTAND. 2 TRUSTEE WONG: STEVE, CAN YOU POINT IT OUT TO 3 HIM -- 4 TRUSTEE NGO: I DID. 5 TRUSTEE WONG: -- THAT SENTENCE. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: I DID. 7 TRUSTEE WONG: IT'S THERE. 8 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH. 9 TRUSTEE MARKS: IT DOESN'T SAY -- 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ARE YOU SAYING IT SHOULD BE IN 11 THE "RESOLVED" PART? 12 TRUSTEE MARKS: THE "RESOLVED" PART OF IT. 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 14 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. 15 TRUSTEE MARKS: YES. 16 TRUSTEE WONG: CAN WE MAKE AN AMENDMENT? 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SURE. 18 TRUSTEE MARKS: YES. 19 TRUSTEE WONG: WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND I'LL 20 SECOND -- MAKE THAT AMENDMENT. 21 TRUSTEE MARKS: NO, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT. 22 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 24 TRUSTEE WONG: I WILL SECOND IT. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE WONG. JULY 28, 2011 39 1 SO WE CAN JUST ADD A -- 2 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: FIRST RESOLVED. 3 TRUSTEE MARKS: I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS. I WILL 4 VOTE FOR IT, OKAY. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 6 TRUSTEE MARKS: I AM UNCOMFORTABLE, OKAY. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SHOULD WE -- 8 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL WITHDRAW MY AMENDMENT, MY 9 MOTION. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL RIGHT. OKAY. 11 IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? 12 TRUSTEE WONG: WELL, IF THERE'S NO OTHER 13 COMMENTS, I JUST WANT TO ADD MY SUPPORT FOR DAVE YEE, WHO 14 AS YOU ALL KNOW AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN WITH THE 15 DISTRICT FOR 20 YEARS. HE WAS PRESIDENT OF THE ACADEMIC 16 SENATE, A LEADER IN ASIAN COALITION, AND ASIAN COALITION 17 REPRESENTS THE ASIAN EMPLOYEES AT CITY COLLEGE OF SAN 18 FRANCISCO. 19 AS A MATTER OF FACT ANDREW HOM, I DON'T KNOW IF 20 YOU ARE STILL HERE OR NOT, DID SPEAK UP AT THE VERY 21 BEGINNING IN SUPPORT OF DIVERSITY. AND THAT DIVERSITY 22 ALSO MEANS ASIAN COALITION SUPPORT OF TRUE DIVERSITY WHICH 23 INCLUDES, OF COURSE, NOT ONLY TRANSGENDERS AND PEOPLE OF 24 COLOR, BUT ALL PEOPLES. AND THEREFORE, IT IS VERY 25 IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT DAVID YEE IS IN FACT JULY 28, 2011 40 1 SOMEBODY WHO IS VERY WELL QUALIFIED FOR THE POSITION. AND 2 I URGE THIS BOARD TO SUPPORT RESOLUTION F3. 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY MORE DISCUSSION FROM THE 4 BOARD? 5 IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT? 6 OKAY. SEEING NONE, ALTHOUGH -- 7 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG, YOUR VOTE. 8 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 10 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 11 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 12 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 13 TRUSTEE MARKS: AYE. 14 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 16 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 18 F3 CARRIES. 19 LET'S GO BACK TO THE REGULAR AGENDA SCHEDULE, 20 APPROVAL OF CONSENT ITEMS. 21 WE HAD AN ERROR IN THAT A NUMBER OF ITEMS WERE 22 LEFT OFF THE CONSENT CALENDAR, SO WE WILL HAVE TO VOTE ON 23 THOSE ONE BY ONE. 24 WE DO HAVE G1-13, H1-3, AND N1 AS CONSENT ITEM. 25 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: ARE WE NOW ALLOWED TO JULY 28, 2011 41 1 PUT STUFF ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR? 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: NO. IT HAS TO BE AGENDIZED AS 3 A CONSENT. 4 IS THAT CORRECT? 5 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: YES. 6 COUNSEL BATTISTE: WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS VOTE TO 7 ADD SOMETHING TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE CAN VOTE TO ADD IT TO THE 9 CONSENT AGENDA. 10 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: CAN WE DO IT ALL AT 11 ONCE. 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, MAYBE WE SHOULD. 13 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: YEAH. 14 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: CAN WE DO IT IN BULK OR 15 DO WE HAVE TO DO EACH ITEM? 16 COUNSEL BATTISTE: WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO EACH 17 ITEM INDIVIDUALLY, SORRY. 18 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: THEN WE MIGHT AS WELL 19 JUST -- 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, THEN WE AS WELL JUST -- 21 COUNSEL BATTISTE: IT GETS CONFUSING WHEN YOU 22 AMEND AND -- 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- VOTE ON THEM. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: TRUSTEE JACKSON, WE HAVE BEEN 25 DOING IT BY SECTIONS YOU MEAN, CONSENT. JULY 28, 2011 42 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. BUT THEY ARE NOT 2 MARKED AS CONSENT. 3 COUNSEL BATTISTE: RIGHT. 4 TRUSTEE NGO: NONE OF THEM? 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ONLY A FEW OF THEM ARE. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY, BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT THE 7 ONLINE VERSION, SO IT'S TRUE FOR PAPER AS WELL, OKAY. 8 COUNSEL BATTISTE: RIGHT. THERE ARE ONLY THREE. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: LET'S JUST DO -- IF WE HAVE TO 10 VOTE TO PUT THEM ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, LET'S JUST VOTE 11 TO PASS THEM. 12 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH. 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SO I WILL TAKE A MOTION FOR 14 G1-13. 15 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: SO MOVED. 16 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SECOND. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY -- 18 COUNSEL BATTISTE: TRUSTEE JACKSON. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- TRUSTEE JACKSON, OKAY. 20 NO DISCUSSION ON CONSENT ITEM. 21 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 22 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 23 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 24 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 25 TRUSTEE MARKS: AYE. JULY 28, 2011 43 1 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 3 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 4 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 6 IS THERE A MOTION FOR H1-3? 7 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: SO MOVED. 8 TRUSTEE WONG: SECOND. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG; 10 SECONDED BY TRUSTEE WONG. 11 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 12 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 13 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 14 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 15 TRUSTEE MARKS: AYE. 16 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 18 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 19 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 21 OKAY, THAT CARRIES AS WELL. 22 AND THEN THERE'S N1. 23 TRUSTEE NGO: MOVE N1. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 25 IS THERE A SECOND? JULY 28, 2011 44 1 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: SECOND. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY STUDENT TRUSTEE 3 FANG. 4 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 5 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 6 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 7 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 8 TRUSTEE MARKS: AYE. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 11 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 12 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 14 N1 PASSES. 15 OKAY, SO WE WILL GO NOW THROUGH -- OR 16 ACTUALLY -- DISCUSSION ITEMS, THERE ARE NONE. 17 REPORT FROM CONSTITUENTS. 18 TRUSTEE WONG: PRESIDENT RIZZO, IF THE 19 TRUSTEE -- I MEAN IF THE CONSTITUENT GROUPS DON'T MIND, 20 BECAUSE SOME OF US MAY HAVE TO LEAVE EARLY AND WE WANT TO 21 MAKE SURE THERE'S QUORUM FOR THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT STILL 22 NEED TO BE VOTED ON, THAT IF WITH THE INDULGENCE OF THE 23 CONSTITUENT GROUPS THAT WE VOTE ON THE AGENDA ITEMS AND 24 THEN GO BACK TO THE CONSTITUENT GROUPS. 25 I AM JUST CONCERNED THAT IF SOME OF US HAVE TO JULY 28, 2011 45 1 LEAVE EARLY, WE MAY NOT HAVE A QUORUM TO DO THE BUSINESS 2 OF THE DISTRICT. 3 COUNSEL BATTISTE: THAT'S -- 4 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I AGREE. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. THAT'S THE CONSENSUS. 6 ALL RIGHT. WITH THE APOLOGIES -- 7 TRUSTEE MARKS: I DON'T THINK I AM GOING TO 8 STAY. 9 TRUSTEE WONG: WELL, THAT'S WHAT I AM CONCERNED 10 ABOUT. IF YOU CAN'T STAY AND -- 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AND THEN -- 12 TRUSTEE WONG: -- WHATEVER HAPPENS AND IF I NEED 13 TO LEAVE. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL RIGHT. SO WHY DON'T WE 15 THEN GO TO B1. 16 MAYBE YOU CAN TELL US IF B1 WAS A -- IF SOMEONE 17 CAN TELL US IF IT WAS A CONSENT. 18 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: B1(A) SHOULD HAVE BEEN. 19 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: I WAS NOT -- THE B RESOLUTIONS 20 IN GENERAL -- 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ARE -- 22 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: -- I THINK THEY ALL COULD HAVE 23 BEEN RECOMMENDED AS CONSENT WITH A LITTLE FOOTNOTE THAT, 24 OF COURSE, THERE WASN'T A QUORUM FOR THE FIT MEETING, SO I 25 DON'T WANT TO PRESUPPOSE ANYTHING ON THAT. JULY 28, 2011 46 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 2 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: BUT AS I LOOK AT B1-B8, I DO 3 NOT SEE ANYTHING THERE THAT WOULD NOT HAVE QUALIFIED TO BE 4 A CONSENT ITEM -- 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 6 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: -- PENDING BOARD APPROVAL. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 8 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: IS B1 A BUDGETED -- 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, YEAH. 10 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- ITEM? 11 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: YES. 12 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: OKAY. 13 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: YES. 14 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND SO THAT'S ALL UNDER 15 THE CHIEF TECHNOLOGY -- THAT'S THE CHIEF TECHNOLOGY 16 OFFICER'S, LIKE, BUDGET, RIGHT? 17 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: YEAH. 18 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THAT'S CORRECT. 19 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: OKAY. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, THANK YOU, VICE 21 CHANCELLOR. 22 COUNSEL, COULD YOU READ B1, AND THEN I WILL ASK 23 FOR A MOTION. 24 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT. 25 B1 IS "ESTABLISHING THE TERM PURCHASE AGREEMENT JULY 28, 2011 47 1 FOR TECHNOLOGY DIVISION OPERATIONAL EXPENSES FOR ACCOUNT 2 5000 AT A TOTAL COST NOT TO EXCEED $669,683 FOR FISCAL 3 YEAR 2011-2012." 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 5 IS THERE A MOTION FOR B1? 6 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: SO MOVED. 7 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SECOND. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG; 9 SECONDED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 10 IS THERE A DISCUSSION? 11 TRUSTEE NGO. 12 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH, WHAT IS THE DELTA FROM THE 13 PREVIOUS YEAR BUDGETED FOR THIS TYPE OF WORK? 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: DR. HOTCHKISS, PERHAPS YOU 15 COULD ANSWER THAT FOR US. 16 MR. HOTCHKISS: DAVID HOTCHKISS, CHIEF 17 TECHNOLOGY OFFICER. 18 THE DELTA IS ABOUT $120,000 LESS BECAUSE WE 19 RENEGOTIATED SOME OF OUR CONTRACTS, AND THIS IS ALL 20 LICENSING AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. SO WE'VE 21 RENEGOTIATED DOWN, SO WE ARE SAVING ABOUT $120,000. 22 TRUSTEE NGO: EXCELLENT WORK. 23 IS THERE -- DID YOU EXPLORE -- I'M SURE YOU DID, 24 BUT I WANT TO ASK ANYWAY. DID YOU EXPLORE ANY KIND OF 25 OPEN SOURCE TECHNOLOGY OR OPEN SOURCE CODING FOR SOME OF JULY 28, 2011 48 1 THE SOFTWARE THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE FOR FREE? 2 MR. HOTCHKISS: WE CAN'T. WE ARE EXPLORING THAT 3 AND WHEN OUR LICENSING AGREEMENTS COME UP FOR RENEWAL AS 4 OPPOSED TO JUST REPAYING BECAUSE WE, TYPICALLY, MOST OF 5 OUR STUFF IS NEGOTIATED FOR MANY YEARS. AND ALL THESE ARE 6 CONTINUATIONS IN THE $120,000 SAVINGS AS WE SAID, YOU KNOW 7 WHAT WE ARE AT THE END OF THE TERM AND WE DON'T WANT TO 8 RENEW BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO GO TO DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY. 9 SO WE CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THAT ALL THE TIME. 10 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 12 FURTHER DISCUSSION? 13 THANK YOU, DR. HOTCHKISS. 14 COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? 15 OKAY, THE STUDENT TRUSTEES HAS LEFT THE ROOM. 16 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 17 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 18 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 19 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 20 TRUSTEE MARKS: AYE. 21 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 23 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 24 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): (ABSENT.) 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? JULY 28, 2011 49 1 B1 PASSES. 2 WE HAVE B1(A), COUNSEL. 3 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS 4 THE "AUTHORIZATION FOR GENERAL FUND MODIFICATIONS FOR 5 SPECIAL SERVICES CONTRACT TOTALING $0." 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. 7 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: BOARD MEMBERS, THIS IS A 8 RESOLUTION THAT ACTUALLY CHANGES SOMETHING THAT YOU PASSED 9 JUST A MONTH AGO. THE REASON WE PUT IT ON AGAIN IS 10 BECAUSE THE AMOUNTS INDICATED FOR THE COMMISSION WERE NOT 11 CORRECT IN THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION. SO THEY HAVE BEEN 12 CHANGED TO SHOW THE CORRECT COMMISSION PERCENTAGES IN THIS 13 RESOLUTION. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I SEE. 15 OKAY, IS THERE A MOTION? 16 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 18 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SECOND. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 20 DISCUSSION? 21 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH. 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 23 TRUSTEE NGO: JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO THERE'S NO -- 24 THE LAST MONTH'S -- WAS IT LAST MONTH OR TWO MONTHS AGO? 25 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: IT WAS THE JUNE BOARD MEETING. JULY 28, 2011 50 1 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY, SO THAT WAS THE ONE -- I 2 REMEMBER THIS ONE. SO AT THAT ONE THERE WAS EXPRESSED -- 3 I THINK ONE EXPLICIT COMMISSION FOR ONE TIER, RIGHT? 4 AND NOW I AM SEEING TWO -- 5 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: TWO TIERS. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: TWO RATES. 7 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THAT'S CORRECT. 8 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY. I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST 9 CONVERSATION WE HAD, NOT WITH YOU AND I, BUT WITH 10 MS. HENNIG. 11 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: RIGHT. 12 TRUSTEE NGO: I THOUGHT THERE WAS JUST ONE MORE 13 TIER. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT I MISSED? 14 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: FOR -- THIS IS FOR INTERSCOLA 15 AND PROPERTY ROOM. AND THE RESOLUTION THAT I HAVE FROM 16 LAST MONTH SAID THAT FOR INTERSCOLA, THE COMMISSION WAS 17 AVERAGING 34 TO 36 PERCENT WHICH HER NOTES SAY IS STILL 18 ACCURATE. 19 FOR PROPERTY ROOM, 25 TO 28 PERCENT OF ANY SALE 20 ABOVE $1,000 WHICH SEEMS TO STILL BE ACCURATE. BUT I 21 THINK SHE HAD THE WRONG NUMBER FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN A 22 $1,000. 23 TRUSTEE NGO: OH, I SEE. OKAY, THANK YOU. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? 25 PUBLIC COMMENT? JULY 28, 2011 51 1 STUDENT TRUSTEE, YOUR VOTE. 2 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 4 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 5 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 6 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 7 TRUSTEE MARKS: AYE. 8 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 10 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 12 B1(A) IS ADOPTED. 13 B2, COUNSEL. 14 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS 15 THE "AUTHORIZATION FOR FIVE CONTRACT MODIFICATIONS 16 TOTALING $194,599.91 FOR SPECIAL SERVICES CONTRACTS AND 17 CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS." 18 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IS THERE A MOTION FOR B2? 19 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: I MOVE B2 FOR APPROVAL. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG. 21 IS THERE A SECOND? 22 TRUSTEE NGO: SECOND. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 24 DISCUSSION? 25 OKAY, NO DISCUSSION. JULY 28, 2011 52 1 IS THERE AUDIENCE COMMENT? 2 SEEING NONE, STUDENT TRUSTEE. 3 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 5 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 6 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 7 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 8 TRUSTEE MARKS: AYE. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 11 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 13 ALL RIGHT, B2 PASSES. 14 B3, COUNSEL. 15 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS 16 THE "AUTHORIZATION FOR TWO NEW CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS THAT 17 ARE NO MORE THAN $15,000 IN NEW CONSTRUCTION RELATED 18 SERVICE CONTRACTS THAT ARE NO MORE THAN $60,000, WHICH IS 19 NOT SUBJECT TO THE FORMAL BIDDING REQUIREMENTS OF THE 20 PUBLIC CONTRACT CODE." 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION FOR 22 B3? 23 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 25 IS THERE A SECOND? JULY 28, 2011 53 1 TRUSTEE WONG: SECOND. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE WONG. 3 DISCUSSION? 4 PUBLIC COMMENT? 5 STUDENT TRUSTEE. 6 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 8 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 9 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 10 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 11 TRUSTEE MARKS: AYE. 12 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 14 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 16 B3 IS APPROVED. 17 I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT B2 AND B3 WERE 18 DISCUSSED AT THE FACILITIES COMMITTEE. THERE WAS NO 19 QUORUM, SO THERE WAS NO VOTE, BUT THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS 20 FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 21 OKAY, B4, COUNSEL. 22 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, B4 IS THE 23 "AUTHORIZATION TO CONTRACT WITH UNISOURCE SOLUTIONS 24 PARTNERED WITH JH DRUM AND ASSOCIATES TO PROVIDE PROJECT 25 MANAGEMENT OF THE MOVE FOR THE NEW CHINATOWN/NORTH BEACH JULY 28, 2011 54 1 CAMPUS FOR A TOTAL NOT TO EXCEED $100,371." 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, IS THERE A MOTION? 3 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: I MOVE B4 FOR APPROVAL. 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG. 5 IS THERE A SECOND? 6 TRUSTEE WONG: SECOND. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE WONG. 8 IS THERE A DISCUSSION? 9 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH, THIS MONEY COMING OUT, IS 10 THIS BOND MONEY OR GENERAL FUND MONEY? 11 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THIS MONEY IS PROJECT MONEY, 12 NOT GENERAL FUND MONEY. 13 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY, THANK YOU. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? 15 PUBLIC COMMENT? 16 STUDENTS TRUSTEE. 17 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 18 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 19 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 20 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 21 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 22 TRUSTEE MARKS: AYE. 23 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 25 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. JULY 28, 2011 55 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 2 B4 IS APPROVED. 3 B5. 4 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, B5 IS THE 5 "AUTHORIZATION TO CONTRACT WITH WORLD PASS INTERNATIONAL 6 TOURS AND EVENTS TO CONDUCT A WINTER BREAK 2011-2012 STUDY 7 ABOARD PROGRAM IN CUBA." 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, IS THERE A MOTION? 9 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 10 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SECOND. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO; SECONDED 12 BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 13 DISCUSSION? 14 PUBLIC COMMENT? 15 ALL RIGHT, STUDENT TRUSTEE, YOUR VOTE. 16 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 18 TRUSTEE BERG? (ABSENT.) 19 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 20 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 21 TRUSTEE MARKS: AYE. 22 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 24 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? JULY 28, 2011 56 1 B5 IS APPROVED. 2 B6. 3 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, B6 IS THE 4 "AUTHORIZATION TO CONTRACT WITH THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT 5 OF EDUCATION FOR CONTINUATION OF THE CALIFORNIA EARLY 6 CHILDHOOD MENTOR PROGRAM AND TO SUBCONTRACT WITH 103 7 CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY COLLEGES IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 8 $2,866,295." 9 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE B6. 10 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SECOND. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO; SECONDED 12 BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 13 ARE THERE ANY TRUSTEES WHO WOULD LIKE TO 14 DISCUSS? 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. 16 TRUSTEE NGO: WELL, I WAS IF YOU HAD -- 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, I'M SORRY. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: NO, GO AHEAD BECAUSE I THINK WE 19 ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING SO. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS 21 ABOUT THIS GRANT. ONE, I WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT THIS 22 GRANT DOES. IT DOESN'T SEEM TO DIRECTLY AFFECT STUDENTS 23 AND WHAT THE CONTRACTING OUT. IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF THIS 24 MONEY GOES TO THE OTHER COMMUNITY COLLEGES. 25 BUT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT ALSO THE COST THAT WE JULY 28, 2011 57 1 ARE -- THE COST TO US TO THE DISTRICT ACTUALLY, AND IF WE 2 COULD HAVE SOMEONE. 3 MS. OLIVENBAUM: YES, GOOD EVENING. I'M LINDA 4 OLIVENBAUM. I AM THE DIRECTOR OF THE CALIFORNIA EARLY 5 CHILDHOOD MENTOR PROGRAM. 6 IF YOU DON'T MIND, I HAVE COMPILED SOME 7 INFORMATION FOR ALL OF YOU THAT WILL ANSWER SOME OF THOSE 8 QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 9 TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, TRUSTEE RIZZO, OUR 10 PROGRAM DEFINITELY DOES DIRECTLY BENEFIT STUDENTS. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 12 MS. OLIVENBAUM: THE EARLY CHILDHOOD WORKFORCE 13 HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN UNDERPAID, UNDERACHIEVED AND 14 UNDEREDUCATED AS FAR AS FORMAL EDUCATION GOES. THIS IS AN 15 EXTREMELY IMPORTANT OCCUPATION BECAUSE THESE ARE PEOPLE 16 WHO ARE TEACHING YOUNG CHILDREN FROM AGES ZERO TO FIVE AND 17 GIVE THEM AN EXCELLENT START IN LIFE. WE ARE TALKING 18 ABOUT THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. THIS IS WHERE THAT BEGINS TO 19 BE ADDRESSED WITH QUALITY EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION AND A 20 CRUCIAL PIECE OF THAT IS THE WORKFORCE. THOSE WHO WORK 21 WITH YOUNG CHILDREN AND TEACH THEM EVERYDAY AND ADMINISTER 22 THE GROUP CARE SETTINGS LIKE CHILD CARE CENTERS WHERE THEY 23 WORK. 24 AND SO ONE OF THE PRIMARY PURPOSES OF THE MENTOR 25 PROGRAM IS TO SELECT EXCELLENT TEACHERS IN THE COMMUNITY JULY 28, 2011 58 1 WITH WHOM STUDENTS ARE PLACED. STUDENTS WHO ARE TAKING 2 THEIR PRACTICUM EXPERIENCE IN EARLY CHILDHOOD. 3 IN OTHER WORDS AS AN ADULT, THEY ARE BEING 4 VIEWED IN A CLASSROOM SETTING WORKING WITH YOUNG CHILDREN. 5 AND THAT IS THE FUNCTION OF A PRACTICUM. RESEARCH HAS 6 SHOWN THAT A PRACTICUM EXPERIENCES OR A REAL LIVE WORKING 7 WITH CHILDREN IS THE KEY TO BECOMING A HIGH QUALITY 8 TEACHER. 9 AND SO OUR PROGRAM PROVIDES THAT LINK FOR 10 STUDENTS, MOST OF WHOM IN THE EARLY CHILDHOOD FIELD ARE 11 ALREADY WORKING AND FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO TAKE OFF 12 FROM THEIR JOB TO COMPLETE THE PRACTICUM COURSE. AND SO 13 THEY CAN COMPLETE THAT COURSE WITH A MENTOR TEACHER WHO 14 MAY WORK CLOSE TO WHERE THEY WORK, SO IT'S NOT A LONG 15 DISTANCE FOR THE STUDENT TO TRAVEL. 16 OFTEN, THE MENTOR MAY SPEAK THE SAME HOME 17 LANGUAGE AS THE STUDENT AND SUPPORTS THAT STUDENT THROUGH 18 THAT PRACTICUM EXPERIENCE. AND OFTEN, IT IS THAT 19 PRACTICUM THAT IS THE FINAL COURSE THAT A STUDENT NEEDS TO 20 ACHIEVE THEIR ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE, SO WE ARE VERY MUCH -- 21 WE ARE -- THAT'S WHY WE ARE ORGANIZED THROUGH THE 22 CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY COLLEGES BECAUSE WE SUPPORT STUDENTS 23 WHO ARE PURSUING CAREERS IN EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: BUT $2 MILLION OF THIS GRANT 25 GOES TO OTHER COMMUNITY COLLEGES. JULY 28, 2011 59 1 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: IT'S WHAT WE HAVE AS 2 THE PROGRAM. 3 MS. OLIVENBAUM: IT'S NOT TRUE. HAVE YOU 4 SEEN -- THIS IS OUR BUDGET. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN 5 THAT. 6 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: LIKE WE HOUSE THE -- 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IT SAYS, "PARTICIPATING 8 COLLEGES ASSISTANCE AND STIPENDS," AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 9 $2 MILLION. 10 MS. OLIVENBAUM: YES, THAT'S BECAUSE -- 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IT'S IN THE RESOLUTION. 12 MS. OLIVENBAUM: YES. WE ARE -- CITY COLLEGE IS 13 IN A SENSE THE FISCAL AGENT. THE HOME OF THE STATEWIDE 14 MENTOR PROGRAM. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 16 MS. OLIVENBAUM: AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE MENTOR 17 PROGRAMS AT 103 COMMUNITY COLLEGES, OF COURSE, OF WHICH 18 CCSF IS ONE. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 20 MS. OLIVENBAUM: AND SO THE MOTIVATION FOR THIS 21 PROGRAM IN THE EYES OF THE STATE WERE CONSIDERED QUALITY 22 IMPROVEMENT AND THE QUALITY IS IMPROVED. BY QUALITY, WE 23 MEAN THE QUALITY OF CARE THAT YOUNG CHILDREN RECEIVE AND 24 THE SUPPORT THAT THEIR PARENTS RECEIVE IS DONE THROUGH 25 BETTER TRAINING AND BETTER EDUCATION OF THE WORKFORCE. JULY 28, 2011 60 1 SO THE STATE GRANTS, THE ENTIRE GRANT IS PARTLY 2 FOR THE ADMINISTRATION WHICH IS HOUSED HERE AT CITY 3 COLLEGE. WE SUPPORT FOUR CLASSIFIED STAFF AND MYSELF, I'M 4 THE ADMINISTRATOR. AND SOME OF THAT MONEY GOES DIRECTLY 5 TO SUPPORTING STUDENTS RIGHT HERE AT CITY COLLEGE. 6 BUT, YES, WE SERVE AS THE CONDUIT FOR SUPPORTING 7 MENTOR PROGRAMS AT ALL 103 COMMUNITY COLLEGES. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, SO WE HAVE $2 MILLION 9 THAT WE ARE BASICALLY ADMINISTRATING. MOST OF THIS GRANT 10 CITY COLLEGE IS AN ADMINISTRATOR AND A DISTRIBUTER OF THE 11 FUNDS FOR OTHER COLLEGES. 12 WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHAT DOES THAT 13 REALLY COST US? AND DO WE BREAK EVEN ON THIS OR ARE WE 14 OPERATING AT A LOSS? 15 WE HAVE HALF A MILLION DOLLAR IN SALARIES THAT 16 ARE CHARGED TO THIS, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT THOSE 17 SALARIES ARE FOR, WHAT KIND OF POSITIONS THOSE ARE. 18 ALSO, THERE'S -- THERE MUST BE SOME OVERHEAD IN 19 HERE. THERE'S TOTAL INDIRECT 8 PERCENT, WHICH SEEMS KIND 20 OF LOW. IT SEEMS ABNORMALLY LOW FOR A PROGRAM LIKE THIS. 21 AND SO I AM JUST WONDERING IF IT REALLY IS 22 8 PERCENT OR IF IT'S MORE THAN THAT AND THAT WE ARE 23 ACTUALLY LOSING MONEY TO ADMINISTER THIS $2 MILLION TO THE 24 OTHER COLLEGES. 25 MR. CHAVARIA: YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME JULY 28, 2011 61 1 THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED AND I COMMEND THE BOARD FOR 2 ASKING THAT QUESTION. 3 THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE OR THAT LINDA 4 OLIVENBAUM HAS IS THAT THE NEGOTIATION WITH THE STATE OF 5 CALIFORNIA WOULD HAVE BEGUN IN FEBRUARY. SO THE QUESTION 6 WOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN A BETTER ASK IF WE HAD ASKED IN 7 FEBRUARY BECAUSE NOW WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS BUDGET IS 8 SCHEDULED TO BEGIN AUGUST 1ST, AND SHE APPARENTLY TALKED 9 TO THE STATE ADMINISTRATOR AND I'M -- 10 WHAT DID THEY SAY? 11 MS. OLIVENBAUM: THEY HAD HAVE NOT BEEN 12 APPROACHED WITH THIS QUESTION FOR THE TEN YEARS THAT WE 13 HAD BEEN HERE AT CITY COLLEGE. THIS HAS NEVER BEEN 14 RAISED. 15 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: MY QUESTION IS: DOES 16 THE GRANT COVER -- BEFORE WE ADMINISTER ALL THE MONEY, 17 DOES THE GRANT COVER YOUR SALARIES AND ALL THE OTHER 18 SALARIES? 19 MS. OLIVENBAUM: YES, MY SALARY, YES. 20 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO IT COVERS ALL YOUR 21 GUYS' SALARIES. SO THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE ARE BEING 22 CHARGED -- OUR GENERAL FUND -- I THINK THAT'S THE 23 QUESTION. 24 IS OUR GENERAL FUND BEING CHARGED? NO. 25 THAT KIND OF SHOULD BE THE END OF THE JULY 28, 2011 62 1 CONVERSATION. IT'S A GRANT. I'M VERY HAPPY AND HONORED 2 THAT WE HAVE A STATEWIDE PROGRAM HOUSED AT OUR CAMPUS. IT 3 IS FOR CHILD CARE. AND IF WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE 4 ACHIEVEMENT GAP IN A SERIOUS WAY, THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP 5 DOESN'T START IN THE THIRD GRADE. IT STARTS WHEN YOU ARE 6 A FOUR-YEAR-OLD. 7 MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE: EARLIER. YOUNGER. 8 WHEN YOU'RE AN INFANT. 9 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH, IT STARTS WHEN 10 YOU ARE AN INFANT. AND, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM A COMMUNITY 11 THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF THIS STUFF, AND IF EVEN IF IT'S 12 THERE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DON'T ACCESS EARLY CHILDHOOD 13 EDUCATION. 14 AND, YOU KNOW, AS AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WHO HAS 15 240 SLOTS OF EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION AS WELL, INCLUDING 16 INFANT CARE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GRANT. WE DO ADMINISTER 17 MOST OF IT OUT BECAUSE IT IS A STATEWIDE PROGRAM. BUT IF 18 THE GRANT COVERS OUR SALARIES, OUR STAFF SALARIES TO 19 ADMINISTER, IF IT COVERS THE ADMINISTRATION PART OF IT, 20 AND IT IS NOT HITTING OUR ADMINISTRATIVE, OUR GENERAL FUND 21 IN ANYWAY, I REALLY STRONGLY, YOU KNOW -- 22 I MEAN WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT CHILD 23 DEVELOPMENT LIKE IT'S A PROGRAM THAT SUCKS MONEY UP AND IT 24 HAS NO VALUE TO CITY COLLEGE, BUT IT HELPS US LEVERAGE 25 FIRST 5 FUNDING. YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT HELPED US LEVERAGE JULY 28, 2011 63 1 THAT ORWELL -- I CAN'T PRONOUNCE -- 2 MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE: ORFALEA. 3 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- THAT GUY'S NAME, 4 ORFALEA. BUT YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT HELPED US LEVERAGE 5 THAT ORFALEA FUNDING AS WELL. AND IT GIVES US PRESTIGE IN 6 THIS CITY. 7 AND SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, WE GOT A GRANT. 8 IT COVERS THE SALARIES. AND WE ADMINISTER THE MONEY TO 9 OTHER, YOU KNOW, TO OTHER COMMUNITY COLLEGES. AND UNTIL 10 IT STARTS TO IMPACT OUR GENERAL FUND, THEN I WILL GET 11 WORRIED. BUT THIS GRANT HERE DOES NOT IMPACT OUR GENERAL 12 FUND. 13 AND IT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS KNOW THIS. 14 WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A QUALIFIED TEACHER TEACHING EARLY 15 CHILDHOOD EDUCATION, YOU KNOW HAVING A MENTOR REALLY IS 16 SOMETHING THAT'S BEST BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAVE YOUR 17 KIDS WITH JUST ANYBODY. 18 MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE: THAT'S RIGHT. 19 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YOU WANT TO LEAVE YOUR 20 KIDS WITH SOMEBODY THAT'S TRAINED, THAT'S QUALIFIED, AND 21 THAT MEETS THE STANDARDS SO YOUR KID ACTUALLY HAS A 22 COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GET TO PRESCHOOL 23 AND KINDERGARTEN. 24 AND SO IF THIS PROGRAM AND HAVING MENTORS HELPS 25 GET OUR CHILDHOOD CARE PROFESSION, WHICH HAS A LOT OF TURN JULY 28, 2011 64 1 OVER TO CAPACITY, AND HELPS BRIDGE THAT GAP, THEN I AM ALL 2 FOR IT. 3 MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE: YES. 4 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND THIS IS WHERE I AM 5 RIGHT NOW. SO, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE TIME, YOU KNOW, I 6 WOULD REALLY LOVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND APPROVE 7 THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY 8 PRESTIGIOUS, AND WE SHOULD CELEBRATE WITHIN OUR CAMPUS AND 9 NOT CONTINUING TO PUSH AWAY. THANK YOU. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE JACKSON, I DON'T THINK 11 I SAID THAT CHILD CARE WAS NOT WORTHWHILE. I TAKE A 12 LITTLE BIT OF OFFENSE TO THAT BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER IN 13 PREVIOUS YEARS, I HAVE WORKED TO RESTORE FUNDING TO THE 14 CHILD DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM THAT IT WAS PROPOSED TO BE CUT. 15 WHAT I AM DOING IS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. 16 THERE IS AN INDIRECT COST CHARGED ON HERE THAT IS 212,000. 17 THAT IS A COST OF ADMINISTRATORS. IT'S A COST OF 18 ADMINISTRATING THIS PROGRAM AND -- 19 MS. OLIVENBAUM: EXCUSE ME. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- THAT IS LOW. IT'S A LOW 21 NUMBER FOR A -- 22 MS. OLIVENBAUM: EXCUSE ME. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- PROGRAM LIKE THIS. 24 MS. OLIVENBAUM: EXCUSE ME, NO. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IT'S NOT. JULY 28, 2011 65 1 MS. OLIVENBAUM: NO, 8 PERCENT IS ABOVE AND 2 BEYOND ALL OF THE OTHER EXPENSES, INCLUDING SALARIES AND 3 ALL THE SUPPORT FOR STAFF -- 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SO WHAT IS IT FOR THEN? WHAT 5 IS IT? 6 MS. OLIVENBAUM: IT IS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. 7 IT IS FOR HOUSING OUR GRANT AND FOR THE COLLEGE. 8 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH, IT'S THE 9 ADMINISTRATIVE FEES. 10 MS. OLIVENBAUM: SO EVERY YEAR WE BRING IN MORE 11 THAN $200,000 TO THE COLLEGE. WE DON'T TAKE A DIME OF THE 12 GENERAL FUND. THAT 212,000 -- 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE DON'T 14 REALLY KNOW -- THE NUMBER 212,318, IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE, 15 YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER THAT'S LEFTOVER FROM THE GRANT. IT 16 SEEMS LIKE -- I'VE SEEN NUMBERS FOR OTHER GRANT PROGRAMS 17 WHERE THE INDIRECT COSTS ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN 8 PERCENT. 18 MS. OLIVENBAUM: OKAY. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING. 20 MS. OLIVENBAUM: I'M SURE THAT'S TRUE. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IT'S KINDS OF A RED FLAG. I 22 AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO TRUSTEE NGO BECAUSE I THINK I 23 HAVE BEEN MONOPOLIZING HERE. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH, JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GET 25 INTO A BACK AND FORTH APPLAUSE HERE AND CHEERING SECTIONS. JULY 28, 2011 66 1 LET'S TAKE OFF THE TABLE THE VALUE OF EARLY 2 CHILDHOOD EDUCATION. I UNDERSTAND LITERATURE IS THERE TO 3 ESTABLISH THAT THE BEST VALUE PUBLIC DOLLAR FOR EDUCATION 4 HAS TO GO IN ZERO THROUGH FIVE, I UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY, 5 THAT'S CLEAR. 6 IS THAT CLEAR WITH EVERYONE? GOOD. 7 THE ISSUE HERE I HAVE, AND I THINK IT'S FAIR TO 8 RAISE AS FIDUCIARIES OF THIS COLLEGE, OKAY, IS THE ACTUAL 9 COST OF THIS PROGRAM. I UNDERSTAND THAT GRANT FUNDING IS 10 SUPPORTING THE SALARIES AND THE BENEFITS AND THE PROGRAMS. 11 I UNDERSTAND THAT. 12 THE QUESTION IS WHETHER YOU ARE CAPTURING ANY 13 OTHER COSTS THAT THE COLLEGE AND OTHER INSTANCES ACTUALLY 14 HAS TO DEAL WITH. 15 SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LET ME ASK YOU THIS SPECIFIC 16 EXAMPLE, THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION. 17 WHEN YOU ASSUME BENEFITS AT 150, THAT'S WHAT YOU 18 ARE ASSUMING THIS BUDGET, RIGHT, 150,477.15. 19 DOES THAT INCLUDE POST-EMPLOYMENT RETIREE 20 BENEFITS, HEALTH BENEFITS, FOR RETIREE -- SO WHEN THESE 21 PEOPLE RETIRE FROM THE COLLEGE, RIGHT, THEY STILL GET IF 22 THEY VEST, THEY GET AN ACTUAL REAL DOLLARS PAY AS YOU GO 23 AT LEAST FOR THE COLLEGE, WE ARE PAYING OUT BENEFITS FOR 24 RETIREES. 25 ARE YOU CAPTURING THAT COST WHEN YOU FOLKS JULY 28, 2011 67 1 RETIRE IN THIS NUMBER? 2 MS. OLIVENBAUM: FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW -- 3 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY, SO -- 4 MS. OLIVENBAUM: -- IF THE BENEFITS ARE -- 5 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: WAIT. WAIT. LET HER 6 FINISH. 7 TRUSTEE NGO: GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. 8 MS. OLIVENBAUM: -- THE FRINGES THAT ARE CHARGED 9 TO EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE OF CITY COLLEGE COMES OUT OF THAT 10 LINE ITEM, WHETHER IT'S INCLUDED LONG-TERM RETIREMENT, 11 THERE IS RETIREMENT. I AM NOT SCHOOLED ENOUGH TO KNOW 12 WHETHER THAT MEANS LONG-TERM RETIREMENT. I DON'T KNOW. 13 TRUSTEE NGO: I UNDERSTAND. AND I'M NOT -- 14 LISTEN, AGAIN, LET'S TAKE THE CHARGE OUT OF THIS 15 DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT'S A FAIR DISCUSSION. AND IF YOU 16 DON'T KNOW IT, WE HAVE TO FIND OUT, RIGHT? 17 MS. OLIVENBAUM: ABSOLUTELY. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: IT'S FAIR THING, OKAY. SO LET'S 19 NOT GET DEFENSIVE. I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS. I'M 20 JUST -- WE NEED TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS. 21 MS. OLIVENBAUM: YES, SURE. 22 TRUSTEE NGO: IT'S FAIR, OKAY, TO ASK THESE 23 QUESTIONS. 24 SO THAT IS, FOR EXAMPLE, A BENEFIT THAT WE ARE 25 ACTUALLY PAYING SIX OR $7 MILLION THIS YEAR IN GENERAL JULY 28, 2011 68 1 FUND MONEY WE ARE PAYING OUT RIGHT NOW THAT COULD BE GOING 2 TO CLASSES THAT'S GOING TOWARDS RETIREE HEALTH. THAT'S A 3 FACT, OKAY. 4 SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE VALUE OF EARLY 5 CHILDHOOD HEALTH, BUT THAT SIX OR $7 MILLION IS REAL. 6 IT'S COMING OUT OF COUNSELING. IT'S COMING OUT OF 7 SECTIONS. IT'S COMING OUT OF WHATEVER, OKAY. SO THAT'S 8 NOT -- WE KNOW THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN HERE. AND TO BE 9 HONEST, IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN ANY OTHER NON-GRANT FUNDED 10 POSITION TO BE FAIR, BUT IT STILL COSTS THAT WE ARE 11 ASSUMING, OKAY, SO THAT'S A FAIR CRITIQUE. IT'S A FAIR 12 SUGGESTION FOR US TO START THINKING ABOUT, OKAY. 13 NOW ANOTHER ISSUE HERE IS VACATION TIME, RIGHT. 14 IF YOUR EMPLOYEES WHO ARE FUNDED BY THE GRANT, RIGHT -- 15 MS. OLIVENBAUM: RIGHT. 16 TRUSTEE NGO: -- ARE BANKING VACATION HOURS OR 17 PTO TIME, RIGHT, AND IF THEY EVER LEAVE THE DISTRICT, THEY 18 CAN CASHOUT ON THAT TIME. THIS BUDGET DOES NOT ACCOUNT 19 FOR THAT CASHOUT, I AM ASSUMING. 20 MS. OLIVENBAUM: I AM NOT SO SURE ABOUT THAT. 21 TRUSTEE NGO: IT PROBABLY DOESN'T, RIGHT. 22 MS. OLIVENBAUM: WE'VE HAD PEOPLE LEAVE AND IT 23 HAS -- 24 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY, SO THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. 25 SO I THINK IT IS FAIR TO ASK IF YOU ARE IN YOUR PROPOSAL JULY 28, 2011 69 1 TO THE STATE ACTUALLY CAPTURING ALL THE REAL COSTS THAT 2 YOU ARE INCURRING TO RUN THE PROGRAM BECAUSE IF YOU ARE -- 3 IF SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES WHO ARE CASHING OUT VACATION AT 4 THE END OF THEIR SERVICE IS TAKING OUT A CHUNK OF CASH 5 THAT'S NOT PAID FOR BY THE GRANT, IT IS COMING FROM THE 6 GENERAL FUND. IT IS COMING FROM NOT PRIVATE MONEY. IT'S 7 COMING FROM THE DOLLARS THAT WE WOULD SPEND OTHERWISE ON 8 SECTIONS. 9 SO TO BE FAIR, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE 10 WHETHER THAT'S HAPPENING OR NOT. 11 PETER, DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THIS? CORRECT ME 12 IF I AM WRONG. 13 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: YEAH, I THINK IT IS EXCELLENT 14 THAT THIS TYPE OF CONVERSATION AND THESE QUESTIONS ARE 15 BEING ASKED. I REALLY DO. AND I THINK IT'S GOOD. IT'S 16 ABOUT A PROGRAM WHERE I THINK THE BOARD UNANIMOUSLY 17 BELIEVES IN THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PROGRAM ITSELF, SO WE 18 ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT FINANCES. 19 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH. 20 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: OKAY. THE INDIRECT COST THAT 21 YOU SEE IN THE RESOLUTION WHICH AVERAGES FOR THIS PROGRAM 22 ABOUT $210,000 A YEAR BACK TO THE DISTRICT, THAT IS 23 INTENDED TO COVER THE TIME THAT ACCOUNTANTS SPEND BY 24 PAYING THESE OTHER DISTRICTS OR SUB RECIPIENTS TO THE 25 GRANT. PAYROLL FOLKS WHO ARE PAYING THE PAYCHECKS OF THE JULY 28, 2011 70 1 PEOPLE WHO ARE CHARGED DIRECTLY TO THE GRANT, KEEPING THE 2 LIGHTS ON AND THE ROOM HEATED WHERE THESE FOLKS STAY AT 3 THE OCEAN CAMPUS. SO WE CAN TELL YOU HOW MUCH WE ARE 4 GETTING IN THAT 8 PERCENT. 5 WHAT WE CAN'T TELL YOU IS EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT IS 6 REALLY COSTING THE COLLEGE. THAT TAKES A REAL RIGOROUS 7 EFFORT TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 8 WE HAVE ASKED THE AUDIT FIRM THAT IS NOW IN 9 TRANSITION OUT, VAVRINEK, DO AN INDIRECT COST RATE STUDY 10 FOR US, AND WE'LL SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU AS SOON 11 AS WE HAVE IT. 12 RIC JAZAIE AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT THE OTHER 13 DAY. I E-MAILED VAVRINEK FOR AN UPDATE. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN 14 AN ANSWER YET. BUT, HOPEFULLY, BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING, 15 WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING. 16 I CAN TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY WITH RESPECT TO 17 POST-RETIREMENT HEALTH BENEFITS, NOT ONLY IS IT NOT 18 CHARGED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM, IT IS NOT CHARGED FOR 19 ANY GRANT FUNDED ACTIVITY WHAT THE DISTRICT'S RESPONSE IS 20 RIGHT NOW. AND THAT MAY BE A POLICY DECISION THAT THE 21 BOARD WANTS TO MAKE. AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, WE DO START 22 CHARGING FOR THAT BENEFIT. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THAT'S EXACTLY -- 24 TRUSTEE NGO: I'M NOT -- MAY I FINISH? 25 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: I HAVE ONE MORE -- JULY 28, 2011 71 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY 2 THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP. 3 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: SO I HAVE ONE MORE PIECE OF 4 INFORMATION. WHILE IT MAY BE AN ACCURATE QUOTE THAT A 5 STATE OFFICIAL SAID WHEN NO ONE ASKED US IN THE PAST ABOUT 6 ADJUSTING THE 8 PERCENT, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE STATE OF 7 CALIFORNIA FROM MY EXPERIENCE IS VERY UNLIKELY TO PAY US 8 OUR TRUE INDIRECT COST RATE ONCE WE HAVE THAT ESTABLISHED 9 BY OUR OUTSIDE AUDITORS. MORE LIKELY WE WILL SEE THAT 10 KIND OF A RETURN TO US ON FEDERAL GRANTS THAN FROM THE 11 STATE. 12 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH, AND DON'T LEAVE TOO FAR FROM 13 THE PODIUM BECAUSE I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU TOO. 14 SO AGAIN, THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THIS PARTICULAR 15 GRANT RIGHT NOW, OKAY. IT'S A LARGER POLICY QUESTION AND 16 WE ARE USING THIS AS A WAY TO DISSECT THESE LARGER POLICY 17 QUESTIONS THAT I ASSUME IT'S OKAY FOR US TO DO. 18 SO SINCE YOU ARE THERE, I WILL GET AWAY FROM THE 19 INDIRECT COSTS BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO GO TO THAT NEXT. 20 BUT WHEN THESE GRANTS ARE SUBMITTED, WHETHER 21 IT'S THIS GRANT TO THE STATE OR IT'S THE GRANT TO ORFALEA 22 OR ANYWHERE ELSE, AND A PROPOSAL IS SUBMITTED, RIGHT, A 23 PROPOSAL OUTLINING EXPENDITURES FROM PERSONNEL AND FRINGE 24 BENEFITS -- 25 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: RIGHT. JULY 28, 2011 72 1 TRUSTEE NGO: -- AND ALL THESE THINGS, DO YOU 2 VET IT OR DOES IT JUST GO OUT WITHOUT YOU SEEING IT? 3 IN TERMS OF THE FINANCE PEOPLE, DO YOU ACTUALLY 4 SAY THIS IS ACTUALLY CORRECT? THIS PERCENTAGE FOR FRINGE 5 BENEFITS IS CORRECT. THIS IS THE ACTUAL INDIRECT COST 6 THAT WE PREFER. 7 IS THERE A PROTOCOL FOR ALL OF THESE GRANT 8 APPLICATIONS THAT WE ARE ACCEPTING -- WE'RE SUBMITTING AND 9 WE HOPE TO ACCEPT FOR THE COLLEGE, THE FINANCE PEOPLE TO 10 CHECKOFF AND SAY THESE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT? 11 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY 12 THAT THE GRANTS OFFICE WHICH IS A FOCAL POINT FOR MOST OF 13 THESE REQUESTS GOING OUT. IT DOES USE ACCURATE 14 INFORMATION FOR THE COST FOR THE CURRENT COST OF FRINGE 15 BENEFITS AND SALARIES FOR PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE GOING ON TO 16 THE GRANT. 17 BUT AGAIN, THEY ARE NOT INCLUDING ANY OF THE 18 POST-RETIREMENT HEALTH BENEFITS IN THEIR ANALYSIS, NOR 19 HAVE WE REQUIRED THEM TO IN THE PAST. 20 AND IN TERMS OF OTHER TYPES OF OVERHEAD LIKE 21 FACILITIES RELATED COSTS, OFTEN I WOULD SAY THAT'S NOT 22 INCLUDED AS WELL. 23 I THINK THERE'S BEEN A HISTORIC BIAS IN FAVOR OF 24 MAXIMIZING THE MONEY THAT GOES INTO ACTUAL PROGRAM 25 ACTIVITIES WHEN THE COLLEGE PURSUES GRANT MONEY. I THINK JULY 28, 2011 73 1 THAT'S FAIR TO SAY. 2 AND WITH THE CHANGE IN TIMES THAT WE'VE 3 EXPERIENCED, I THINK IT'S NOW FAIR FOR US TO SAY, WE 4 REALLY NEED TO TRY TO RECAPTURE AS MUCH INDIRECT COSTS AS 5 WE POSSIBLY CAN WITH THESE GRANTS SO THAT THE COLLEGE IS 6 NOT UNINTENTIONALLY PROVIDING A SUBSIDY THAT WE CAN'T 7 AFFORD FOR LONG. 8 TRUSTEE NGO: RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHERE I AM 9 GOING AT HERE WHICH IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL 10 YEARS NOW WHERE WE'VE HAD TO TIGHTEN OUR BELTS. AND I 11 THINK ONE OF THE CRITIQUES I'VE HAD ABOUT HOW WE CAN 12 ADMINISTER PROGRAMS IS THAT THERE ISN'T THIS KIND OF 13 SELF-ENFORCING MECHANISM SOMETIMES. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE 14 PEOPLE SENDING OUT GRANT APPLICATIONS, EVEN IT'S GOING 15 THROUGH POLICY AND RESEARCH THAT MAY NOT MAKE SENSE. SURE 16 IT MAY BROADLY BE DEFINED UNDER THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND 17 ANNUAL PLANS, BUT IT NOT MAKE ANY FISCAL SENSE GIVEN WHAT 18 YOU HAVE TO AND THE CHANCELLOR END UP HAVING TO MANAGE AT 19 THE END OF THE DAY, RIGHT, AND WHILE WE HAVE TO CLOSE 20 THESE DEFICITS. 21 SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE TAKE A HARDER LOOK 22 AND ACTUALLY CREATE SELF-ENFORCING MECHANISMS FOR THE 23 CHANCELLOR AND FOR YOUR SHOP TO SIGN OFF ON THESE THINGS 24 BEFORE THEY GO OUT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ACCURATE, AND 25 THAT WE DON'T HAVE THESE APPLICATIONS GOING OUT THERE JULY 28, 2011 74 1 WILLY-NILLY, ESSENTIALLY AD HOC PUTTING THESE COSTS ON THE 2 DISTRICT WITHOUT US KNOWING WHY OR HOW. 3 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: YEAH. 4 TRUSTEE NGO: LET ME FINISH -- OR HOW. 5 AND I UNDERSTAND THAT POLICY AND RESEARCH MAY 6 HAVE THE NUMBERS, BUT I FEEL BETTER IF THE FINANCE PEOPLE 7 ACTUALLY DID THE CHECK OFF RATHER THAN THE POLICY AND THE 8 RESEARCH, THE GRANT WRITING PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO IT GIVEN 9 THAT YOU WOULD BE MORE AWARE OF AND CONSCIOUS OF THE 10 BOARD'S CONCERN AND THE ACTUAL CONCERN FOR THESE OTHER 11 KIND OF HIDDEN COSTS. 12 NOW I WILL SAY AS TO THE INDIRECT COSTS AS CHAIR 13 OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE, WE HAVE GONE OVER THOSE -- THAT 14 ISSUE. AND 8 PERCENT WAS KIND OF A LAUGHABLE NUMBER IN 15 GENERAL. 16 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: YEAH. 17 TRUSTEE NGO: NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT MAY BE 18 DIFFERENT FROM THE STATE. BUT IN GENERAL, THAT NUMBER IS 19 LAUGHABLE. THERE WERE SUGGESTIONS THAT IT COULD BE AS 20 HIGH AS 40 OR 50 PERCENT, REALLY, RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU 21 REALLY -- ESPECIALLY WITH A GRANT THIS MUCH -- A GRANT 22 THIS HIGH AND THE EMPLOYEE LEVEL OF THIS MAGNITUDE AND THE 23 STATEWIDE ADMINISTRATION. THE INDIRECT COSTS COULD REALLY 24 GET ENORMOUS. AND YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY ALL THE OTHER 25 GRANTS WE GET, YOU HAVE A REAL ISSUE. SO THAT'S AN AREA JULY 28, 2011 75 1 THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT TOO AS A BOARD. 2 AND I THINK GOING FORWARD, THE BOARD WORKING 3 WITH STAKEHOLDERS WILL HAVE TO REALLY DEFINE AND SET OUT 4 STRUCTURES THAT WILL ALLOW OURSELVES TO SELF-ENFORCE. 5 THAT WE'LL FIND A WAY TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE ALL COSTS 6 POSSIBLE SO THAT WE DON'T -- WE ARE NOT LEFT HOLDING THE 7 BAG BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE ARE COSTS THAT 8 MAY NOT BE CAPTURED BY THIS BUDGET, THAT THE GENERAL FUND 9 MONEY WE'LL HAVE TO PAY. AND THAT GENERAL FUND MONEY 10 IS -- IF IT'S NOT GOING TO CLASSES AND STUDENT SERVICES, 11 IT'S GOING TO THESE COSTS THAT WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT 12 CAPTURING BEFORE. AND THAT'S REALLY THE NATURE OF THE 13 CRITIQUE THAT I HAVE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SOME OF US 14 ON THIS BOARD HAVE ISSUES WITH. 15 AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE ISSUE WITH THE SUBJECT 16 MATTER ITSELF, I HOPE WE DON'T HAVE TO DEBATE THAT. IT'S 17 REALLY THE ISSUE OF HOW WE ARE MONITORING THESE REQUESTS 18 THAT GO OUT THAT DO PLACE A BURDEN ON THE COLLEGE, I 19 BELIEVE, UNREASONABLY. 20 SO THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME WITH YOUR 21 QUESTIONS, AND I WILL CEDE THE FLOOR. 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE JACKSON. 23 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND I DON'T IN ANY WAY 24 MEAN TO SAY -- EVERYONE CARES ABOUT EARLY CHILDHOOD 25 EDUCATION, UNLESS YOU ARE A TEA PARTY MEMBER. JULY 28, 2011 76 1 AND, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, MYSELF AND, 2 YOU KNOW, TRUSTEE NGO WE WORKED ON THE BRIDGE TO SUCCESS 3 WHICH HAS BEEN A SUCCESS, BUT THAT'S A TOTALLY GRANT 4 FUNDED PROGRAM. AND MOST GRANTS ONLY ALLOW FOR ABOUT 5 15 PERCENT ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. 6 SO IF WE ARE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT CONTINUING TO 7 APPLY FOR GRANTS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO EXPAND 8 SERVICES, 15 PERCENT IS AS HIGH AS IT'S GOING TO GET. SO 9 IF IT IS 40, YOU KNOW, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW 10 IT GETS TO 40 BECAUSE I RUN AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS AROUND 11 15 PERCENT INDIRECT COSTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE TO 12 SUCCESS WE HAVE TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT MAYBE WE WANT TO 13 RETURN BILL GATES' MONEY AND SAY, WE DON'T SHOULDN'T HAVE 14 BRIDGE TO SUCCESS BECAUSE THAT HAS INDIRECT COSTS AS WELL, 15 THAT ENTIRE PROGRAM IS INDIRECT COSTS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, 16 WE SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT STUFF. 17 WHEN WE SIT AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE 18 THINGS, YOU KNOW, B7 IS A GRANT FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR FIRST 19 5. IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE INDIRECT COSTS THAT 20 THESE GRANTS OCCUR, WE ALSO ON THE FLIP SIDE NEED TO TALK 21 ABOUT THE MONEY THAT THESE GRANTS LEVERAGE IN ADDITIONAL 22 MONIES TO OUR INSTITUTION AS WELL BECAUSE HAVING THIS 23 MENTORSHIP PROGRAM, WE HAD TO PUT THAT IN THE GRANT 24 PROPOSAL SAYING WE HAVE A STATEWIDE MENTORSHIP PROGRAM FOR 25 FIRST 5 TO GIVE US THE $61,000 GRANT. JULY 28, 2011 77 1 YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD TO PUT THAT IN THERE WHEN, 2 YOU KNOW, ORVILLE (SIC) OR WHATEVER HIS NAME IS. THAT IS 3 PROBABLY THE POPCORN GUY, BUT WHOEVER THAT GUY'S NAME 4 IS -- 5 MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE: ORFALEA. 6 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- WE PROBABLY PUT THAT 7 WE HAVE A STATEWIDE MENTORSHIP PROGRAM HOUSED AT CITY 8 COLLEGE TO GET THOSE -- TO CAPTURE THOSE DOLLARS AND TO 9 CONTINUE TO CAPTURE THOSE DOLLARS IN A TOUGH ECONOMIC 10 TIMES WHEN WE WENT TO HIM AND ASKED, HEY, CAN WE PLEASE 11 ADJUST THIS? 12 BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE CHANCELLOR WENT AND 13 ADJUSTED SOME OF THAT CORPUS. THAT PROBABLY WAS MENTIONED 14 AS WELL. 15 I AM IN TOTAL FAVOR OF LOOKING AND MAKING SURE 16 THAT WE ARE CAPTURING EVERY CENT OF INDIRECT COSTS THAT WE 17 POSSIBLY CAN. I AM IN TOTAL FAVOR OF THAT. WE SHOULD NOT 18 BE SUBSIDIZING, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THOSE INDIRECT COSTS. I 19 TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. 20 YOU KNOW, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT, YOU 21 KNOW, FIRST, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A HIGHER WORD OF SOME OF 22 THIS STUFF. 23 AND SECOND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT 24 THE OTHER MONIES THAT ARE LEVERAGED POSITIVELY WITHIN THIS 25 INSTITUTION. AND THIS PROGRAM HAS SAID THIS SPECIFIC JULY 28, 2011 78 1 PROGRAM HAS SAID, EVERYTHING WE SEE IN COSTS IS FUNDED 2 THROUGH THE GRANT. 3 I AM TAKING THEM AT THEIR WORD THAT THEIR COST, 4 ALL THEIR COSTS ARE CAPTURED IN THE GRANT AND THEN THE 5 REST OF THE MONEY IS SENT OUT TO STATE PARTNERS. I AM 6 TAKING THEM AT THEIR WORD FOR THAT. AND IF THAT IS THE 7 CASE AND WE ARE NOT USING THE GENERAL FUND TO FUND A 8 PORTION OF THIS PROGRAM, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE ON, 9 APPROVE THIS GRANT AND, YOU KNOW, THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY GO 10 AND SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THE POLICY OF MAKING SURE THAT 11 WE ARE CAPTURING ALL INDIRECT COSTS FOR ALL OF OUR GRANT 12 PROGRAMS, NOT JUST CHILD DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR 14 THIS, BUT I BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE OF THESE ISSUES. 15 ACTUALLY, TRUSTEE JACKSON, WE HEARD VICE 16 CHANCELLOR GOLDSTEIN SAY THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS 17 GRANT IS COVERING ALL THE COSTS OR NOT, AND THAT WE HAVE 18 AN AUDITOR LOOKING AT IT, AND THAT WITHIN A MONTH, WE WILL 19 GET AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. 20 I AGREE, THIS IS NOT THE ONLY GRANT WE ARE GOING 21 TO LOOK AT. WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A LOT OF 22 GRANTS. I THINK ESPECIALLY GRANTS THAT ARE ADMINISTRATIVE 23 IN NATURE. THIS GRANT HAS $2 MILLION GOING TO OTHER 24 COLLEGES, PLUS SOME NUMBER OF MONEY GOING TO ADMINISTRATE 25 THAT MONEY THAT GOES TO OTHER COLLEGES. SO THE PORTION OF JULY 28, 2011 79 1 THAT $2.8 MILLION THAT GOES TO OUR STUDENTS IS A FRACTION 2 OF THAT. 3 I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE CHANCELLOR JUST 4 MENTIONED TO ME THAT WE DO ADMINISTER THE BRIDGE TO 5 SUCCESS, JUST A TECHNICAL TERM. THAT IS NOT OURS. 6 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I'M SORRY. I MEANT 7 GATEWAY TO COLLEGE PROGRAM. I'M SORRY. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, OKAY. 9 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO GATEWAY TO COLLEGE 10 IS A TOTALLY GRANT-FUNDED PROGRAM THAT SERVICES HIGH 11 SCHOOL DROPOUTS. AND SO SINCE THAT IS A GRANT-FUNDED 12 PROGRAM, IF WE ARE GOING TO SAY, WELL, THERE'S INDIRECT 13 COSTS TO THAT, THEN WHAT IS -- DO WE SERVE INSTEAD OF 50 14 KIDS A YEAR, DO WE SERVE 25? 15 I MEAN THOSE ARE HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUTS, SO I AM 16 SAYING IT HAS RAMIFICATIONS ON THE POPULATIONS THAT WE ARE 17 TRYING TO SERVE. AND IT ALSO LEVERAGES ADDITIONAL MONEY. 18 YOU KNOW, BRIDGE TO SUCCESS AND GATEWAY TO COLLEGE HAS 19 LEVERAGED OTHER CITY MONIES TO SUPPORT THAT PROGRAM. 20 SO IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT INDIRECT COSTS 21 THAT SUBSIDIZE THE PROGRAMS, WE ALSO NEED TO FACTOR IN THE 22 ADDITIONAL MONIES AND GRANTS THAT COME IN BECAUSE THOSE 23 PROGRAMS ARE HOUSED WITHIN OUR INSTITUTION AS WELL. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: GOOD POINT. I AGREE. 25 STUDENT TRUSTEE. JULY 28, 2011 80 1 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: YES, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO 2 SAY THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD MY COLLEAGUES HERE 3 REALLY EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION, BUT 4 THERE'S ALSO A BROAD ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK 5 AT THE OVERHEAD AND INDIRECT COST TO THE DISTRICT SO WE 6 CAN BE A GOOD FIDUCIARY AGENT FOR THE DISTRICT. 7 BUT THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THIS ISSUE OF 8 LOOKING AT AN INDIRECT COST DISTRICT-WIDE, COULD BE 9 REFERRED TO THE PLANNING BUDGETING AND AUDIT COMMITTEE. 10 AND I CAN SENSE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT ON THE AGENDA. I 11 MEAN THIS PARTICULAR MATTER, WE COULD TAKE THAT UP IN THE 12 COMMITTEE LATER, BUT WE CAN ACTUALLY MOVE ON THIS 13 RESOLUTION. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I ACTUALLY WAS GOING TO DO 15 THAT. I WAS GOING TO ASK TRUSTEE NGO IF HE COULD AGENDIZE 16 THIS AT AN UPCOMING BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING ONCE WE HAVE 17 THE RESULTS THAT VICE CHANCELLOR GOLDSTEIN REFERRED TO SO 18 THAT WE COULD DISCUSS IT THERE AND SEE WHAT'S WHAT. 19 I WOULD ALSO LIKE IN THE BUDGET COMMITTEE TO 20 LOOK AT -- TO START LOOKING AT THIS, THE COSTS OF SOME OF 21 THESE GRANTS, NOT EVERY GRANT. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT 22 EVERY GRANT, BUT JUST SOME OF THESE. AND START THE 23 DISCUSSION THERE. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT. I WILL 25 ACCEPT YOUR -- JULY 28, 2011 81 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: -- YOUR ASSIGNMENT. 3 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF 4 THE MOTION, RIGHT. THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT THE RESOLUTION WE 5 ARE TALKING ABOUT -- 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: CORRECT. 7 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: -- BUT WE ARE TALKING 8 ABOUT INDIRECT COSTS TO THE DISTRICT -- 9 TRUSTEE NGO: CORRECT. 10 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: -- AS AN ISSUE. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES, THANK YOU. 12 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: YEAH. 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL RIGHT. IS THERE FURTHER 14 BOARD DISCUSSION? 15 NO, THEN WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 16 FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I HAVE ONE CARD. 17 GO AHEAD, MS. WHITE, PLEASE. 18 MS. WHITE: KATHLEEN WHITE, I AM CHAIR OF THE 19 CHILD DEVELOPMENT FAMILY STUDIES DEPARTMENT. 20 AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE HOST QUITE A FEW GRANTS 21 EVERY YEAR-40 SOMETHING. AND I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT WHEN 22 YOU HAVE BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE AS WELL AS PRIVATE 23 FOUNDATION GRANTS, MANY OF THEM ARE CAPPED AT THE AMOUNT 24 OF INDIRECT THAT YOU CAN ASK. 25 I DO WANT TO ANSWER PRESIDENT RIZZO'S QUESTIONS JULY 28, 2011 82 1 DIRECTLY ABOUT HOW OUR LOCAL COLLEGE BENEFITS FROM HAVING 2 A STATEWIDE PROJECT. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STATEWIDE 3 PROJECTS HOUSED HERE AT CITY COLLEGE, NATIONAL SCIENCE 4 FOUNDATION. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I KNOW. 6 MS. WHITE: I MEAN THERE'S REGIONAL PROJECTS. 7 THERE'S STATEWIDE PROJECTS. THEY NOT ONLY LEVERAGE FUNDS 8 AND ALLOW US TO LEVERAGE MONEY, BUT THEY ALSO BENEFIT US 9 DIRECTLY IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. 10 WE EARN FTE REVENUE WHEN WE HAVE ADDITIONAL 11 STUDENTS BEING SERVED BY OUR LOCAL MENTOR PROGRAM. WE ARE 12 A CONTRACTOR OF THIS PARTICULAR GRANT. WE -- THEY PAY FOR 13 SECTIONS OF COURSES EVERY SEMESTER THAT ARE OPEN TO THE 14 GENERAL PUBLIC SO OUR DEPARTMENT BENEFITS. OUR STUDENTS 15 BENEFIT BY BEING PLACED WITH LOCAL MENTORS. AND WE HAVE A 16 NUMBER OF MENTORS HERE WHO ARE SAN FRANCISCO MENTORS 17 FUNDED BY THIS PROJECT. AND OUR DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED 18 ADDITIONAL FUNDS BECAUSE WE HOUSE THIS. 19 ADDITIONALLY, TEN YEARS AGO WHEN THIS GRANT CAME 20 HERE, THE GRANT PURCHASED A BUILDING. IT IS CALLED 21 BUNGALOW 213. IT IS LOCATED BEHIND THE LIBRARY. AND THEY 22 PROVIDED OUR DEPARTMENT SPACE RENT-FREE FOR NINE YEARS. 23 SO IF WE WERE TO TALLY THAT AND ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY RENT 24 IN SAN FRANCISCO FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WE RECEIVED FROM 25 THIS PROGRAM RENT FREE, THAT WOULD REALLY BE QUITE JULY 28, 2011 83 1 SIGNIFICANT. 2 YOU CAN'T ALWAYS -- 3 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 4 MS. WHITE: -- ALWAYS LOOK AT THE INDIRECT 5 DOLLARS. 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 7 MS. WHITE: OKAY, THANK YOU. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE WILL JUST TAKE PEOPLE IN 9 ORDER. 10 MS. EVANS: HI, EVERYBODY, I AM GOING TO BE NICE 11 TONIGHT. 12 I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN 13 WORKING HERE NOW SO LONG I JUST SORT OF FEEL LIKE THIS IS 14 HOME ANYWAY, BUT YOU KNOW THIS MONEY THING, IT JUST 15 BOTHERS ME. IT'S ALWAYS MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. AND I 16 THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT YOU 17 EITHER PAY NOW OR PAY LATER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW 18 ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. 19 I LIVE IN THE OAKLAND AREA, AND I WILL SAY THAT 20 90 PERCENT OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE ARMED AND DANGEROUS NOW 21 BECAUSE THEY DON'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT, AND THEY DON'T 22 TRUST REALLY ANYBODY NOW, NOT EVEN THEIR OWN FOLKS. 23 SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS COMING UP, I RAISED MY 24 CHILDREN TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY SETTING WHERE IT WAS 25 FLORENCE CRITTENTON, WHICH IS OFF OF BRODERICK AND PAGE. JULY 28, 2011 84 1 AND, YOU KNOW, MY KIDS, YOU KNOW, THEIR MOTHER WAS A 2 LITTLE DIFFERENT. I WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. I RULE 3 WITH -- YOU KNOW, HOW THEY GO. SO BUT ANYWAY, THEY WENT 4 ON TO ROOFTOP SCHOOL. 5 NOW ONE SON IS A MINISTER. AND THE OTHER 6 DAUGHTER SHE'S A CHOREOGRAPHER, AND SHE'S BETWEEN BOSTON 7 AND NEW YORK. AND THE SON, THE LAST SON, WHO IS 33 -- 31, 8 HE IS A CHILD, YOU KNOW, A DISABILITIES PERSON WHO TAKES 9 CARE OF PEOPLE WHO NEED 24-HOUR SUPERVISION. I HAVE NO 10 GRANDCHILDREN, EXCEPT FOR MY OLDEST ONE. I TOLD THE OTHER 11 TWO DON'T BRING ME ANY KIDS. 12 SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS, I WORKED WITH 13 MS. OLIVENBAUM, AND I WORK WITH THE YOUNG LADIES, AND I GO 14 DOWN AND I CLEAN THAT AREA. AS A RANK AND FILE PERSON, I 15 TAKE CARE OF THEIR BUILDING. I CONSIDER THEM TO BE VERY 16 KIND AND CARING. MS. OLIVENBAUM AND I, WE DEVELOPED A 17 FRIENDSHIP WHERE WE ACTUALLY DO VOTER REGISTRATION 18 TOGETHER. YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT, RIGHT. 19 SO I AM JUST SAYING THAT I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO GET 20 THINGS STRAIGHT AND STUFF AND GET THE LITTLE FIGURES 21 TOGETHER. BUT AFTER YOU ALL GET IT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, 22 PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE -- 23 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 24 MS. EVANS: -- THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THE 25 CHILDREN. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE MY CHILDREN WENT JULY 28, 2011 85 1 TO ROOFTOP. AND I AM TELLING YOU I THINK IF THEY HADN'T 2 HAD WENT THERE AT FLORENCE CRITTENTON, THEY WOULD NOT BE 3 WHERE THEY ARE TODAY. THEY WOULD BE DOING JUST WHAT 4 EVERYBODY ELSE'S KID ARE DOING. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 6 MS. THOMAS. 7 MS. THOMAS: I WILL BE QUICK ALSO. AND I THINK 8 THAT'S PHENOMENAL HOW DORETHA'S KIDS TURNED OUT WITH HER 9 BEING SPECIAL. 10 MS. EVANS: OH, YES. 11 MS. THOMAS: BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, AND 12 I WANT TO BRING THIS BACK IN LINE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A 13 LEAKY PIPE. AND I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO PEOPLE, AND I AM 14 SEEING HOW PEOPLE ARE GETTING ALL ROUGHED UP LIKE YOU ARE 15 ABOUT TO SNATCH MY PROGRAM. THAT IS NOT THE INTENT OF 16 THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE GRANTS TOO. AND 17 WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE GRANTS SOLELY FROM THE 18 PERSPECTIVE OF FINDING OUT WHERE WE ARE LEAKING. 19 AND THIS INDIRECT COST, THE PART ABOUT THE 20 RETIREMENT, WHATEVER PIECE THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, 21 THIS IS THE LEAK. AND YOU KNOW IN YOUR EVERYDAY LIFE WHEN 22 YOU SEE YOUR WATER BILL GO UP AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHY, YOU 23 CALL THE PLUMBER AND HE FIXES THE LEAK. THAT'S ALL WE ARE 24 ASKING TO BE DONE HERE WITH THIS OVERSIGHT OF THE GRANTS. 25 AND BECAUSE I SEE PEOPLE JUST STAMPEDING OFF THE JULY 28, 2011 86 1 CLIFF. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO TAKE YOUR LIVELIHOOD AWAY, 2 TAKE YOUR PROGRAM AWAY, AND GUT THAT. BUT IF THERE IS 3 COSTS THAT WE ARE INCURRING AND WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, 4 AND WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. AND I AM NOT DINGING THE 5 PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, THIS RIGHT 6 HERE I THINK IS AN HONEST MISTAKE. THERE ARE SUCH THING 7 AS HONEST MISTAKES. WE JUST WANT TO FIX IT NOW. AND 8 THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WANT TO SAY. WE ARE JUST 9 LOOKING AT THIS TO FIX IT. 10 SOME OF YOU GUYS NEED TO BE CREATIVE WHILE ON 11 THE BEACH. YOU NEED TO CREATE ANOTHER LEDGER LINE. IN 12 YOUR GRANT, WE ARE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO CALL HERE 13 AT SAN FRANCISCO CITY COLLEGE. WE ARE GOING TO FIGURE OUT 14 WHAT TO CALL YOUR LEDGER LINE THAT IS GOING TO FIX THIS 15 PROBLEM AND GET YOUR MONEY. THIS CAN BE FIXED, OKAY. AND 16 THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 18 LINDA OLIVENBAUM. 19 MS. OLIVENBAUM: I ALREADY SPOKE. THANK YOU. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. 21 MARINA SCHIMIDT. 22 MS. SCHIMIDT: I WILL BE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY 23 QUICK. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THIS PROGRAM IS 24 REALLY UNIQUE AND PROVIDES FOR THE STUDENTS THAT ARE 25 ACTUALLY -- IT PROVIDES FOR THE STUDENT THE ABILITY TO JULY 28, 2011 87 1 PRACTICE WHAT THEY HAVE LEARNED IN THE CLASSROOM IN THE 2 ACTUAL CLASSROOM. 3 THANK YOU FROM THE STUDENTS BY THE MENTOR. 4 BEING A MENTOR LIKE MYSELF, AND I HEAR FROM MY STUDENTS 5 ALL THE TIME HOW THEY ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THIS KIND OF 6 PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY REALLY CAN SEE, AND THEY REALLY CAN 7 FEEL WHAT IT MEANS TO WORK IN THE FIELD WITH CHILDREN. SO 8 THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 10 FRANK DUHL. 11 MR. DUHL: HI, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. 12 I STARTED TAKING CLASSES AT CITY COLLEGE IN 13 CHILD DEVELOPMENT IN 1994. IN 1998, I TOOK THE PRACTICUM 14 CLASS, AND I WORKED WITH A MENTOR TEACHER AT THE 15 TENDERLOIN CHILD CARE CENTER WHERE I WAS WORKING AND 16 SERVING THE HOMELESS AND LOW INCOME AND NEW IMMIGRANT 17 CHILDREN. 18 I BECAME A MENTOR MYSELF IN 1999. AND SINCE 19 THEN, I HAVE MENTORED 70 CITY COLLEGE STUDENTS. AND SO 20 THIS IS JUST ME, ONE OF THE HUNDREDS OF MENTORS IN THE 21 STATE. AND THE WAY THAT THEY BENEFITTED WAS THAT THEY 22 WERE ABLE TO WORK IN THE TENDERLOIN AND NOW IN MY FAMILY 23 CHILD CARE WHERE I WORKED -- WHERE I WORK NOW. 24 IN 2007, I BECAME A PART-TIME INSTRUCTOR IN THE 25 CHILD CARE DEPARTMENT. I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST HOW THE JULY 28, 2011 88 1 MENTOR PROGRAM -- HOW IT BENEFITTED -- IF YOU WERE TO ASK 2 HOW DOES IT BENEFIT THE CITY COLLEGE STUDENTS, THAT'S KIND 3 OF MY -- THAT'S HOW IT BENEFITS. WE GET TO -- WE 4 MENTOR -- NOW AS A MENTOR, WE MENTOR OUR STUDENTS, CITY 5 COLLEGE CHILD DEVELOPMENT STUDENTS, IN THE COMMUNITY. 6 THEY CAN GO TO DIFFERENT KINDS OF PROGRAMS. AND THEY THEN 7 BECOME TEACHERS WHO THEN BECOME MENTORS WHO THEN WORK WITH 8 OTHER CITY COLLEGE STUDENTS. THANK YOU. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 10 VALENTINA FELDMAN. 11 MS. FELDMAN: GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. I WILL 12 BE ALSO AS BRIEF AS FRANK AND OTHER SPEAKERS BEFORE. 13 I WAS A MENTOR FOR 11 YEARS. AND DURING THOSE 14 YEARS, I THINK I MENTORED ABOUT 60 OR 70 PEOPLE AS WELL. 15 AND I TAKE PRIDE IN THE MENTIONING OF MANY OF MY FORMER 16 PROTEGES. AND I STAY IN TOUCH WITH THEM AND CONTINUE 17 BEING THEIR FRIEND, HELPER, PROFESSIONAL ROLES ADVISOR, 18 AND LIFELONG, I WOULD SAY MENTOR. 19 SOME OF MY FORMER MENTEES STARTED AS NOVICES IN 20 THEIR FIELD. AND THEN THEY BECAME TEACHERS, HEAD TEACHERS 21 AND ACTUALLY TOOK MY PROGRAM AND SHE HAS BECAME PROGRAM 22 DIRECTOR IN DIFFERENT PROGRAMS IN THE CITY, THE 23 (INAUDIBLE) PROGRAM AND HOLY FAMILY DAY HOME PROGRAM. 24 I HAVE A STUDENT WHO CAME WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT 25 SHE WOULD DO LATE IN LIFE. AND THEN SHE TOOK CLASSES AND JULY 28, 2011 89 1 SPENT SOME TIME WITH ME AS HER MENTOR. SHE OPENED HER OWN 2 PROGRAM AND THEN SEVERAL YEARS AFTER THAT, SHE GOT A SAN 3 FRANCISCO CHILD CARE PROVIDERS ASSOCIATION AWARD OF 4 RECOGNITION FOR HER EXCELLENT ACHIEVEMENTS IN THE PROGRAM. 5 I HAD STUDENTS WHO CAME HOPING THEY WOULD BECOME 6 TEACHERS, BUT THEY FOUND OUT AFTER WORKING WITH ME AND 7 OBSERVING ME IN THE TRENCHES SO TO SPEAK, THEY FOUND OUT 8 THAT IS NOT THEIR CUP OF TEA. SO THEY DECIDED TO PURSUE 9 SOME DIFFERENT FIELDS. AND IT MAKE THE FIELD FREE FROM 10 PEOPLE WHO WOULD CONTINUE MAKING MISTAKES. THAT'S ANOTHER 11 ACHIEVEMENT OF THE MENTOR; THAT EACH OF US CAN RECOUNT 12 ABOUT. 13 THERE IS ANOTHER THING THAT WE ALL KEEP TALKING 14 ABOUT. MONEY, YES, BUT, OF COURSE, THERE IS SOMETHING 15 THAT CANNOT BE CAPTURED WITH MONEY. PEOPLE WHO COME WITH 16 MEMORIES OF THEIR CHILDHOOD, AND THEY TRY TO MAKE THESE 17 MEMORIES GO AWAY BECAUSE IT'S PAINFUL TO LIVE WITHOUT 18 THOSE MEMORIES. AND THEY TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT CHILDREN 19 UNDER THEIR CARE -- 20 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 21 MS. FELDMAN: -- AVOID THOSE PAINFUL MOMENTS IN 22 THEIR LIVES. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 24 MS. FELDMAN: THANK YOU VERY -- THANK YOU. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MICHAEL ANDERSON. JULY 28, 2011 90 1 2 MR. ANDERSON: I WAS ACTUALLY A STUDENT OF THIS 3 MENTORING PROGRAM. AND BEFORE I GOT INTO IT, I WAS SO 4 FRUSTRATED WITH THE ATTITUDE OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT I 5 CAME ACROSS AND THE LACK OF RESPONSE THAT I GOT FROM JOBS, 6 THAT I WAS LITERALLY READY TO QUIT. THIS WAS MY LAST 7 SEMESTER OF SCHOOL. I WASN'T GOING TO GO ANYMORE. 8 AND THEN I GOT PLACED AT TENDERLOIN CHILD CARE. 9 THROUGH THIS EXPERIENCE, I GOT A LOT OF, LIKE, NEW 10 PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT OF CHILD CARE. I 11 ACTUALLY GOT MY FIRST JOB OFFER AS A SUBSTITUTE THROUGH 12 THIS PROGRAM. 13 SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IT REALLY 14 DOES MEAN SOMETHING TO THE STUDENTS THAT GO THROUGH THIS 15 PROGRAM. THANKS. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 17 SHEILA NORMAN. 18 MS. NORMAN: GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR 19 LISTENING TO OUR TESTIMONIES. 20 I PREPARED A SPEECH, BUT I THINK I WILL SPARE US 21 ALL THE DETAILS IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. AND I DO 22 APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN THE EMOTIONAL 23 CHARGE OUT OF THE SITUATION. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT. 24 BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU IS THAT 25 I DO SERVE AS OUR CAMPUS COORDINATOR FOR THE CALIFORNIA JULY 28, 2011 91 1 EARLY CHILDHOOD MENTOR PROGRAM IN ADDITION TO MY TEACHING 2 ASSIGNMENTS AS ADJUNCT FACULTY. AND WHEN WE ARE AT OUR 3 STRONGEST, WE HAVE HAD AS MANY AS 18 MENTOR TEACHERS IN 4 OUR PARTICULAR CAMPUS. AND NOW WE HAVE GROWN OUR DIRECTOR 5 MENTORS TO 15 SERVING ALL THE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES IN SAN 6 FRANCISCO. 7 AND SINCE THE LIFE OF THIS 23-YEAR-OLD PROGRAM, 8 I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT WE'VE SERVED OVER 1,000 CITY 9 COLLEGE STUDENTS. AND WE SERVE COUNTLESS ADMINISTRATORS 10 IN THIS CITY THAT SERVE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES 11 AND CHILDREN. THANK YOU. 12 I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT, TRUSTEE JACKSON, 13 LOOKING AT THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP AND THE EFFECTS OF EARLY 14 CARE. 15 AND THE LAST THING I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE 16 WITH YOU IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THEIR DEDICATED COMMITMENT 17 TO YOUNG CHILDREN, FAMILIES, AND THE ADULTS THAT WORK WITH 18 THEM, THESE PEOPLE ALSO SHARE THE VISION AND THE MISSION 19 OF CITY COLLEGE WHICH IS TO ADDRESS THE STABILITY AND THE 20 KNOWLEDGE OF THE EARLY CARE WORKFORCE. AND ALL OF 21 STUDENTS, AND ALSO THAT THEY EACH AT SOME POINT EITHER NOW 22 OR IN THE PAST, HAVE BEEN STUDENTS OF CITY COLLEGE 23 THEMSELVES BECAUSE ONE OF THE PRIMARY CHARACTERISTICS OF A 24 GOOD MENTOR IS TO BE A LIFELONG LEARNER, AND THEY ALL ARE. 25 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE WITH YOU IS A LIST -- JULY 28, 2011 92 1 IS LETTERS FROM OTHER PEOPLE WHO COULD NOT BE HERE 2 TONIGHT. I AM SORRY THERE'S ONLY ONE COPY. 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THESE ARE STUDENT? EMPLOYEES? 4 WHO ARE THEY? 5 MS. NORMAN: YES, SIR. THEY ARE FORMER 6 STUDENTS, MENTEES, AND ALSO COLLEAGUES FROM SAN FRANCISCO 7 STATE AND OTHERS THAT ARE ALSO IN SUPPORT OF OUR PROGRAM. 8 THANK YOU SO MUCH. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 10 ELLEN MORRISON. 11 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 13 TIME'S UP. 14 MS. MORRISON: THAT WAS QUICK. GOOD EVENING, 15 MR. PRESIDENT, CHANCELLOR, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. 16 I ALSO DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS ISSUE, AND I 17 DO APPRECIATE THAT IT IS -- I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO LEAVE 18 WITH YOU TO CONSIDER THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT THE MENTOR 19 PROGRAM MAKES TO THE COLLEGE, NOT ONLY FINANCIALLY, BUT AS 20 A FLAGSHIP PROGRAM IN PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT EARLY CARE 21 AND EDUCATION IN THE NATION. AND WHAT THAT PRESTIGE 22 BRINGS TO CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO. 23 AND I WOULD SUGGEST, THAT AS A MATTER OF TIMING, 24 AND I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF REVIEWING AND TAKING A 25 CAREFUL LOOK AT THE END OF OUR COSTS OF ALL OF THE GRANTS JULY 28, 2011 93 1 THAT COME TO CITY COLLEGE. I DID A BACK OF THE ENVELOPE 2 CALCULATION AT LEAST FOR OUR PARTICULAR GRANT. AND OF THE 3 $200,000 PLUS THAT WE WILL BRING TO YOU NEXT YEAR, WE USE 4 APPROXIMATELY TWO DAYS A MONTH OF CITY COLLEGE STAFF TIME, 5 AND THAT'S ALL CITY COLLEGE STAFF TIME. THAT INCLUDES ALL 6 OF OUR I.T. SUPPORT, OUR SUPPORT AT GOUGH STREET, OUR 7 SUPPORT IN JANITORIAL SERVICES, IN SECURITY. WE ARE A 8 VERY TINY PROGRAM. 9 AND ONE THING TO CONSIDER WITH ALL OF THE 10 GRANTS -- IT WAS A DECISION OF THE MENTOR PROGRAM AND A 11 NEGOTIATION OF THE FOUNDER OF THE MENTOR PROGRAM AND CITY 12 COLLEGE TO ALLOW OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE EMPLOYEES OF CITY 13 COLLEGE. 14 AND SO IF YOU WERE TO DISBAND THE GRANTS AT THIS 15 MOMENT, ALL OF US WOULD BE BUMPED AND WOULD BUMP OTHER 16 CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEES. AND WE WOULD EVENTUALLY EARN THAT 17 RETIREMENT. AND SO IT IS A TIMING ISSUE OF WHEN TO 18 CONSIDER GRANTS AND THEIR EFFECT ON THE COLLEGE. 19 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 20 MS. MORRISON: THANK YOU. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 22 SUZY YU. 23 MS. YU: TIME IS SHORT AND IT IS LATE AT NIGHT. 24 I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US (INAUDIBLE) 25 CITY COLLEGE -- JULY 28, 2011 94 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK, YOU 2 NEED TO COME UP HERE. 3 MS. YU: I'M SORRY. FORCE OF HABIT. 4 I AM JUST GOING TO SAY BECAUSE IT IS SHORT OF 5 TIME, AND IT IS LATE AT NIGHT, I AM GOING TO PASS AND JUST 6 SAY QUICKLY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR PROPOSAL. AND 7 I AM HOPING THAT ONCE THE BUDGET IS FIGURED OUT AND THAT 8 YOU WILL SEE HOW IMPORTANT THIS WHOLE THING IS, SO THANK 9 YOU. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 11 JUDITH BAKER. 12 MS. BAKER: I AM GOING TO PASS ALSO AND HOPE 13 THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 15 ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? 16 THAT WAS THE LAST CARD I HAD. 17 ALL RIGHT. FURTHER DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD? 18 OKAY, STUDENT TRUSTEE. 19 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 21 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 22 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 23 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 24 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 25 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. JULY 28, 2011 95 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 2 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 4 OKAY, THE MOTION CARRIES. 5 THE NEXT ITEM IS B7, COUNSELOR. 6 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS 7 THE "AUTHORIZATION TO CONTRACT WITH THE FIRST 5 SAN 8 FRANCISCO FOR THE CALIFORNIA EARLY CHILDHOOD MENTOR 9 PROGRAM TO PARTICIPATE IN A CITYWIDE EARLY CARE AND 10 EDUCATIONAL TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE SYSTEM IN THE AMOUNT NOT 11 TO EXCEED $53,200." 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IS THERE A MOTION? 13 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 15 IS THERE A SECOND? 16 TRUSTEE WONG: SECOND. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE WONG. 18 IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE BOARD? 19 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: ARE THERE ANY INDIRECT 20 COSTS TO THIS GRANT? 21 MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE: YES, 8 PERCENT. 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO: 8 PERCENT. 23 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: THANK YOU. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ONE ISSUE THAT WE ARE DEALING 25 WITH IS WE GET SHORT-TERM GRANTS THAT DO GOOD THINGS AND JULY 28, 2011 96 1 THEN THE GRANT ENDS. AND WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE PEOPLE 2 WHO WERE HIRED FOR THE GRANT. THEY WORK MORE THAN A 3 CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HOURS, AND THEY GET LIFETIME BENEFITS. 4 SO THE GRANT ENDS. EMPLOYEES GO AWAY, AND WE ARE PAYING 5 FOR THEIR LIFETIME HEALTHCARE. THIS ADDS TO OUR 6 STRUCTURAL DEFICIT, WHICH IS A REAL PROBLEM. WE HAVE 7 SERIOUS STRUCTURAL DEFICIT PROBLEM HERE. WE HAVE BEEN 8 TOLD THAT BY AUDITORS. WE DON'T HAVE -- 9 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: OVER 160 MILLION. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WHAT'S THAT? 11 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IT'S OVER $160 MILLION. 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: $160 MILLION, OKAY. SO WE 13 HAVE THESE GRANT PROGRAMS. THEY END. THE EMPLOYEE GOES 14 AWAY. WE ARE PAYING THEIR LIFETIME BENEFITS. AND WE 15 CAN'T DO THIS. WE CANNOT SUSTAIN THIS. 16 SO CAN I GET A GUARANTEE THAT FOR THIS GRANT, 17 THAT IF THIS GRANT ENDS, THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE 18 THIS SITUATION. 19 MS. OLIVENBAUM: THERE ARE NO EMPLOYEES ATTACHED 20 TO THIS PARTICULAR GRANT. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 22 MS. OLIVENBAUM: THE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK FOR THE 23 LARGE GRANT, SERVICE THIS GRANT AS WELL. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. 25 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I GUESS MAYBE WE SHOULD JULY 28, 2011 97 1 HAVE AN OVERALL POLICY DISCUSSION. I KNOW WITH FEWER AND 2 FEWER STATE AND PUBLIC MONIES, WE ARE RELYING ON MORE AND 3 MORE GRANTS. SO YOU CAN'T SAY, I WANT THE GRANTS AND THEN 4 CURSE THE GRANTS. YOU EITHER TOTALLY JUST DON'T APPLY FOR 5 GRANTS OR WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, TO -- 6 I MEAN THIS IS A NEW REALITY. AND WE ARE 7 BECOMING MORE AND MORE GRANT-FUNDED. CSU AND UC, THEY ARE 8 REQUIRING THEIR STUDENTS TO PAY AND MORE FOR THEIR OWN 9 EDUCATION. THEY ARE BECOMING MORE OF A PRIVATE ENTITY. 10 WE ARE BECOMING MORE GRANT-FUNDED. SO I THINK GIVEN THIS 11 NEW REALITY, THIS IS DEFINITELY A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO 12 HAVE, BUT I JUST WANT US TO KNOW THAT IN ORDER TO BALANCE 13 THE BUDGET, THE CHANCELLOR HAS HAD TO RELY ON MORE AND 14 MORE GRANTS. 15 I HATE RELYING ON GRANTS. I THINK THE PUBLIC 16 SHOULD FUND MORE OF HIGHER EDUCATION, NOT LESS. WE SHOULD 17 NOT BE A GRANT-FUNDED INSTITUTION. BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO 18 BE RELYING ON THESE GRANTS, THERE NEEDS TO BE A FAR BIGGER 19 POLICY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF BEING A 20 GRANT-FUNDED. BUT I MEAN THESE ARE SOME KIND OF THE NEW 21 REALITIES THAT WE FACE WHERE THEY ARE GRANT-FUNDED, AND 22 THEN WE DON'T REALLY HAVE POLICY BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A 23 NEW KIND OF WORLD WE ARE IN. 24 SO I AGREE, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT WE DEFINITELY 25 NEED TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT HOW DO WE MANAGE BEING A MORE JULY 28, 2011 98 1 AND MORE GRANT-FUNDED INSTITUTION. BUT I DEFINITELY WANT 2 US TO KIND OF TAKE HEART IN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR 3 RESEARCH AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL IN 4 OBTAINING THESE GRANTS BECAUSE WITHOUT THEM, I WOULD HATE 5 TO SEE WHAT OUR INSTITUTION WOULD LOOK LIKE WITHOUT THESE 6 GRANTS BECAUSE THEY DO FUND A LOT OF CLASSES AND A LOT OF 7 PROGRAMMATIC STUFF THAT THIS INSTITUTION, YOU KNOW, WANTS 8 TO HAVE AND CONTINUES TO HAVE. 9 SO DEFINITELY WE CAN SCHEDULE THAT IN SOME 10 COMMITTEE. INSTITUTIONAL EFFECTIVENESS SOUNDS GOOD. 11 PLANNING AND BUDGET SOUNDS GOOD. BUT I DO AGREE, BUT WE 12 DEFINITELY HAVE TO REALIZE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SHIFTED 13 IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH GRANT WE ARE GETTING WITHIN THIS 14 INSTITUTION. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? 16 PUBLIC COMMENTS? 17 OKAY, STUDENT TRUSTEE, YOUR VOTE. 18 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 20 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 21 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 22 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 23 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 24 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. JULY 28, 2011 99 1 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 3 OKAY, B7 IS APPROVED. 4 B8, COUNSEL. 5 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, B8 IS THE 6 "AUTHORIZATION TO APPROVE NEW CONTRACTS AND MODIFY 7 EXISTING CONTRACTS." 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, IS THERE A MOTION? 9 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE B8, MR. PRESIDENT. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 11 IS THERE IS SECOND? 12 TRUSTEE WONG: SECOND. 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE WONG. 14 IS THERE A DISCUSSION? 15 NO DISCUSSION. 16 IS THERE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? 17 SEEING NONE, STUDENT TRUSTEE, YOUR VOTE, PLEASE. 18 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 20 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 21 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 22 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 23 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 24 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. JULY 28, 2011 100 1 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 3 OKAY, B8 IS APPROVED. 4 IS THAT ALL THE B'S? 5 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: YES. 6 COUNSEL BATTISTE: C3. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: C3, YES, COUNSEL, PLEASE. 8 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, C3, MR. PRESIDENT, IS 9 THE GRANTS ACCEPTANCE OF GIFTS. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, IS THERE A MOTION FOR 11 C3? 12 TRUSTEE NGO: MOVE C3. 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 14 IS THERE A SECOND? 15 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SECOND. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 17 IS THERE A DISCUSSION? 18 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I ACTUALLY WANTED TO 19 FOLLOW UP. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 21 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO ON GIFTS, ARE THERE, 22 LIKE, INDIRECT COSTS TO GIFTS AS WELL BECAUSE I KNOW THIS 23 COLLEGE IS ALSO RECEIVING MORE AND MORE FOUNDATION -- YOU 24 KNOW, PRIVATE FOUNDATION MONEY AND DONATIONS. I KNOW 25 THAT'S BEEN A STRATEGY IS TO OBTAIN, I BELIEVE, $2 MILLION JULY 28, 2011 101 1 IN TERMS OF -- IS THAT THEIR ACCURATE NUMBER $2 MILLION IN 2 TERMS OF PRIVATE ONE POINT -- 3 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THE TENTATIVE BUDGET YOU 4 ADOPTED WAS $2.75 MILLION -- 5 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: 2.75. 6 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: -- GOAL, BUT THAT MAY BE 7 MODIFIED IN THE FINAL BUDGET. 8 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO ARE THERE ANY 9 INDIRECT COSTS TO THE GIFTS AND DONATIONS THAT -- 10 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: WELL, IN THIS PARTICULAR -- 11 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- THIS INSTITUTION 12 GETS? 13 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: SORRY. IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE, 14 I WOULD SAY, NO. 15 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: IT WAS A GIFT. ARE 16 THERE ANY INDIRECT COSTS TO THE DONATIONS AND GIFTS THAT 17 THIS INSTITUTION RECEIVES? 18 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: GENERALLY NOT. 19 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: NO. 20 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: NOT GIFTS THAT WE RECEIVE 21 DIRECTLY. 22 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: OKAY. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 24 ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? 25 COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? JULY 28, 2011 102 1 OKAY, STUDENT TRUSTEE, HOW ARE YOU VOTING ON C3? 2 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 4 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 5 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 6 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 7 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 8 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 10 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 12 C3 IS APPROVED. 13 COUNSEL BATTISTE: F1. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: F1, CHANCELLOR -- I MEAN, 15 COUNSELOR. 16 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, F1 IS 17 "COMMENDING CHANCELLOR DON Q. GRIFFIN, AND AUTHORIZING THE 18 CONTINUATION OF HIS EXISTING EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT AT THE 19 CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO TO SERVE AS THE CHANCELLOR 20 UNTIL JUNE 30TH, 2012." 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IS THERE A MOTION FOR F1? 22 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO MOVED. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 24 IS THERE A SECOND? 25 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: SECOND. JULY 28, 2011 103 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY STUDENT TRUSTEE 2 FANG. 3 DISCUSSION? 4 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: IS THERE INDIRECT COST TO 5 THIS ONE TOO? 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES, THERE IS, ACTUALLY. 7 NO, IT'S A DIRECT COST. 8 IS THERE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? 9 MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE: IT'S A GOOD IDEA. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: GOOD IDEA, ALL RIGHT. 11 OKAY, NO FURTHER -- 12 MR. SCOTT: I THOUGHT IT WAS 2022. 13 MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE: YEAH. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: 2022. 15 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: REALLY, JUST TAKE THE 16 ONE AND PUT A TWO THERE. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES. 18 MS. WEINBERG: HI, I'M ELISABETH WEINBERG, 19 STUDENT. 20 AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE CHANCELLOR 21 GRIFFIN. HE HAS BEEN A GREAT INSPIRATION TO ME AS A 22 STUDENT LEADER THIS PAST YEAR AND ALSO HAS BEEN AN 23 INCREDIBLE EXAMPLE OF TIRELESS HARD WORK AND DEDICATION TO 24 THIS INSTITUTION, CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO. 25 SO I ENCOURAGE YOU AND THANK YOU, CHANCELLOR JULY 28, 2011 104 1 GRIFFIN, FOR KEEPING THE FAITH, FOR STAYING ON THE COURSE, 2 AND FOR STICKING IT OUT FOR ANOTHER YEAR. THANK YOU. 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL SAID. 4 TRUSTEE NGO: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION, 5 PLEASE. 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. I AGREE. 7 OKAY, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENT, STUDENT 8 TRUSTEE. 9 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 11 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 12 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 13 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 14 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 15 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 17 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 18 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 19 OKAY, F1 IS APPROVED. 20 YOU'RE STUCK WITH US FOR ANOTHER YEAR. 21 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET. 22 TRUSTEE WONG: TWO-WAY STREET, YEAH. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, WE HAVE P1. 24 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, P1 IS THE 25 "NOTICE OF THE INTENTION TO AMEND THE SFCCD POLICY MANUAL JULY 28, 2011 105 1 BY ADDING PM 1.17, AUDIT COMMITTEE CHARTER." 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, IS THERE A MOTION FOR 3 P1? 4 TRUSTEE NGO: I'LL MOVE P1. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 6 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SECOND. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 8 DID MILTON WANT TO BE ON THIS ONE OR THE SECOND 9 ONE? 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MILTON DID -- BOTH OF THEM. 11 TRUSTEE MARKS SHOULD BE NOTED AS A CO-SPONSOR OF 12 P1 AND ALSO P2. 13 COULD I ASK A QUESTION? THIS SAYS, "FIRST 14 READING," DID WE NOT DISCUSS THIS LAST MONTH OR AM I 15 MIS-REMEMBERING? 16 TRUSTEE NGO: I WASN'T HERE LAST MONTH -- 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: -- BUT I THINK THAT YOU DID. I 19 THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED. BUT I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS IN 20 AUDIT QUITE THOROUGHLY. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THIS AUDIT COMMITTEE CHARTER 22 RESOLUTION HAS BEEN DISCUSSED SEVERAL TIMES AT THE AUDIT 23 COMMITTEE, SO -- AND I THOUGHT LAST MONTH BUT -- 24 TRUSTEE NGO: I'M SORRY. NO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS 25 MAY. JULY 28, 2011 106 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MAYBE NOT, IT WAS IN MAY? 2 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH. 3 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, IT WAS 4 DISCUSSED AT THE MAY MEETING. I BELIEVE IT WAS REFERRED 5 TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE WHICH TOOK IT UP IN JUNE. 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 7 COUNSEL BATTISTE: BECAUSE THERE WERE A NUMBER 8 OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGES MADE TO IT, IT'S COMING BACK AS A 9 FIRST READING, A SECOND FIRST READING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S 10 NOT REFLECTED AS A SECOND FIRST READING. BUT IT'S A FIRST 11 READING. 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, SO THIS HAS BEEN THROUGH 13 THE AUDIT COMMITTEE TWICE AND THEN THE BOARD AND THEN THE 14 POLICY COMMITTEE. SO JUST KEEP THAT MIND IT'S HAD A 15 PRETTY THOROUGH VETTING. 16 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: YES. 17 TRUSTEE NGO: I ALSO WANT TO CLARIFY, 18 MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE BOARD RECONCILES 19 APPROVED AMENDMENTS IN DIFFERENT COMMITTEES. 20 IS THERE SOME SORT OF CONFERENCE COMMITTEE OR IS 21 THE BOARD ESSENTIALLY THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE? 22 IN OTHER WORDS, WELL -- 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: -- WHAT DRAFT ARE WE LOOKING AT? 25 ARE WE LOOKING AT THE DRAFT THAT CAME OUT OF POLICY OR THE JULY 28, 2011 107 1 DRAFT THAT CAME OUT OF AUDIT? 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THIS IS -- THAT'S A GOOD 3 QUESTION. BASICALLY THE BOARD IS ACTING AS THE CONFERENCE 4 COMMITTEE. THE CHANGES -- MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHANGES 5 THAT ARE NOTED ON HERE ARE THE CHANGES THAT THE POLICY 6 COMMITTEE MADE TO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE'S DRAFT. 7 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: THAT IS CORRECT. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 9 COUNSEL BATTISTE: THAT IS CORRECT. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SO WE BASICALLY HAVE THE AUDIT 11 COMMITTEES TEXT, EXCEPT FOR WHERE THE NOTED CHANGES ARE, 12 THOSE CAME FROM POLICY. 13 TRUSTEE NGO: I SEE. SO THE UNDERLYING TEXT IS 14 AN APPROVED VERSION THAT CAME OUT OF AUDIT, AND IT'S THE 15 POLICY COMMITTEE'S EDITS THAT ARE REFLECTED IN BOLD AND 16 ITALIC, RIGHT? 17 COUNSEL BATTISTE: THAT IS CORRECT. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY. 19 AND I WOULD SPEAK TO THE CHANGES, BUT I 20 WASN'T -- I AM NOT ON THE POLICY COMMITTEE, SO I CAN'T. 21 SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT -- 22 CAN SOMEONE SPEAK TO THE CHANGES THAT POLICY 23 COMMITTEE MADE TO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE'S WORK? 24 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE 25 POLICY COMMITTEE? JULY 28, 2011 108 1 TRUSTEE NGO: HOW -- 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I AM. I WAS THERE. 3 TRUSTEE NGO: -- ABOUT THE MATERIAL CHANGES, NOT 4 EVERY SINGLE EDIT OBVIOUSLY. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I MEAN THEY ARE NOTED. THEY 6 ARE NOTED ON HERE. I DON'T -- WE CAN OVER THEM ONE BY ONE 7 IF YOU WOULD LIKE. 8 TRUSTEE NGO: NO, NO. I THINK WHAT I AM TRYING 9 TO GATHER IS WHAT WAS -- WAS THERE KIND OF A PHILOSOPHICAL 10 DIFFERENCE ON ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE? 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: NO, I MEAN BASICALLY WE JUST 12 KIND OF WENT THROUGH IT AND JUST KIND OF -- THERE WAS NO 13 OVERALL THEME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 14 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SO -- 16 TRUSTEE NGO: ALL RIGHT. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- I DON'T RECALL ANY SPECIFIC 18 REASON. 19 TRUSTEE NGO: I'M THINKING I WOULD SUGGEST -- 20 I'M NOT SURE THIS IS IN THE POLICY MANUAL OR NOT, BUT WHEN 21 ITEMS GET REFERRED TO TWO COMMITTEES SEPARATELY, MAYBE 22 THERE SHOULD JUST BE A SPECIAL COMMITTEE OF TWO 23 COMMITTEES, AND THEY CAN WORKOUT THESE DETAILS IN ONE 24 SETTING. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. JULY 28, 2011 109 1 TRUSTEE NGO: BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE 2 REFERRED WHEN THEY ARE INTRODUCED, AND THEY ARE SUPPOSED 3 TO COME BACK WITHIN 45 DAYS. SO IF IT HAS TO GO THROUGH 4 TWO OR THREE COMMITTEES IN THAT TIME PERIOD, I THINK MAYBE 5 THE PRESIDENT SHOULD AT THAT TIME OF REFERRAL JUST CREATE 6 OR ASK THE CHAIRS TO CREATE A JOINT COMMITTEE AND GO 7 THROUGH THE ITEM TOGETHER. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. WE SHOULD 9 CREATE A POLICY THAT STATES THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY 10 KIND OF POLICY. 11 ONE THING I REMEMBER NOW DISCUSSING ON ONE 12 CHANGE ON THE FOURTH PAGE, UNDER "INTERNAL AUDIT." IT WAS 13 DELETED "REVIEWED PERFORMANCE EVALUATION OF THE DISTRICT 14 INTERNAL AUDITOR AS PREPARED BY THE CHANCELLOR." 15 THE DISCUSSION THERE WAS THAT A COMMITTEE SHOULD 16 NOT BE REVIEWING THE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION OF A DISTRICT 17 EMPLOYEE. I KNOW WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THIS AT AUDIT 18 COMMITTEE. I REMEMBER THIS, BUT THE DISCUSSION THERE WAS 19 WHAT I JUST STATED, SO I WILL JUST POINT THAT OUT -- 20 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- TO YOU. 22 TRUSTEE NGO: THANK YOU. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE 24 MAJOR -- 25 TRUSTEE NGO: THANK YOU. JULY 28, 2011 110 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- THINGS. 2 ANY FURTHER COMMENT? 3 DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? 4 PUBLIC COMMENT? 5 MS. SAGINOR: I GAVE YOU A CARD. 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AND IF YOU COULD DO A CARD 7 WHEN YOU'RE -- 8 MS. SAGINOR: KAREN SAGINOR. I GAVE YOU A CARD. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YOU DID? OH, THANK YOU. 10 MS. SAGINOR: I HAVE THREE MINUTES, RIGHT? 11 THIS RESOLUTION AND THE COMMITTEE WILL CREATE -- 12 HAVE SOME VERY REMARKABLE FEATURES. LIKE THE FULL BOARD, 13 BUT UNLIKE OTHER COMMITTEES, IT'S EMPOWERED TO HAVE CLOSED 14 SESSIONS UNDER THE SAME BROWN ACT CRITERIA, OF COURSE, 15 THAT THE FULL BOARD HAS FOR CLOSED SESSIONS. 16 THIS COMMITTEE WILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO 17 AUTHORIZE AND OVERSEE INVESTIGATIONS INTO MATTERS WITHIN 18 ITS SCOPE OF RESPONSIBILITY. AND IN CONDUCTING THOSE 19 INVESTIGATIONS, IT INCLUDES SEEKING INFORMATION AS 20 REQUIRED FROM EMPLOYEES IN EITHER OPEN SESSION OR IN 21 CLOSED SESSION AS APPROPRIATE. THESE ARE THINGS THAT 22 OTHER COMMITTEES DON'T DO. 23 THERE IS A LIST OF WHICH AREAS ARE WITHIN THE 24 SCOPE OF THIS GROUP. BUT ALSO THE RESOLUTION EXPRESSLY 25 SAYS THAT THE COMMITTEE'S RESPONSIBILITIES ARE NOT LIMITED JULY 28, 2011 111 1 TO THE LIST SO THAT EFFECTIVELY MEANS THAT THERE IS NO 2 LIMITS TO THE SCOPE OF THIS COMMITTEE. 3 EVEN INSIDE THE LIST THAT IS GIVEN ON PAGE 4, 4 ONE OF THE AREAS IS COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS AND REGULATIONS. 5 AND THAT'S REALLY VERY, VERY BROAD. THE LAWS AND 6 REGULATIONS THAT ARE EXPRESSLY RELEVANT TO A COMMUNITY 7 COLLEGE INCLUDE AN ENTIRE DIVISION OF TITLE V. 8 TITLE V REGULATIONS GOVERN ALMOST EVERYTHING WE 9 DO AT CITY COLLEGE FROM FACULTY QUALIFICATIONS TO GRADING 10 POLICIES, SHARED GOVERNANCE, PARKING FOR STUDENTS WITH 11 DISABILITIES, IT'S ALL IN TITLE V, SO THAT'S WITHIN THE 12 SCOPE OF THIS NEW AUDIT COMMITTEE IS TO -- IT COULD 13 INCLUDE REVIEW OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF ADMINISTRATION'S 14 EFFORTS TO MONITOR COMPLIANCE IN ANY OF THE TITLE V 15 REGULATIONS USING INVESTIGATIONS AND OTHER TOOLS FOR THAT 16 PURPOSE. 17 THESE ASPECTS CLOSED MEETINGS INVESTIGATIONS, 18 EXAMINING COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS AND REGULATIONS ARE ALL 19 AMONG THE POWERS OF THE FULL BOARD. SO IF THE AUDIT 20 COMMITTEE WERE A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, WHICH ACTUALLY IS 21 WHAT THE AUDIT COMMITTEE USED TO BE -- 22 (TIMER SOUNDS.) 23 MS. SAGINOR: -- THESE POWERS WOULD NOT BE 24 REMARKABLE. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY JULY 28, 2011 112 1 MUCH. 2 MS. SAGINOR: WAS THAT THREE MINUTES? 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IT WAS. 4 TRUSTEE WONG: KAREN, IF I MAY -- 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE WONG. 6 TRUSTEE WONG: -- THROUGH THE CHAIR. 7 I THINK THAT YOUR COMMENTS REALLY NEED TO BE 8 BROUGHT UP AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S -- IS THIS GOING BACK TO 9 COMMITTEE OR -- 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THIS HAS BEEN TO COMMITTEE 11 THREE TIMES -- 12 TRUSTEE WONG: OKAY, THEN YOU SHOULD PROBABLY 13 SUBMIT -- 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- AND MS. SAGINOR WAS AT ALL 15 OF THEM. 16 TRUSTEE WONG: OH, THIS IS A FIRST READING. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THIS IS A FIRST READING, YEAH. 18 TRUSTEE WONG: YEAH, SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO SUBMIT 19 YOUR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD. 20 MS. SAGINOR: I'M SORRY. SUBMIT -- 21 TRUSTEE WONG: YOU MIGHT WANT TO SUBMIT -- 22 MS. SAGINOR: -- IN WRITING? 23 TRUSTEE WONG: YEAH. 24 MS. SAGINOR: I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. THANK 25 YOU VERY MUCH. JULY 28, 2011 113 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 2 TRUSTEE WONG: WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT. 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 4 ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? 5 TRUSTEE NGO: I JUST WANT TO COMMEND THE 6 COMMITTEES FOR GOING THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT. IT'S KIND OF 7 A HEFTY PROCESS. AND I APPRECIATE THAT EVEN IF THERE IS 8 SOME DELIGATION DUTIES IN THIS CHARTER, IT WAS PRETTY 9 THROUGHLY VETTED THROUGH SEVERAL COMMITTEES AND AT SOME 10 POINT IN A SECOND MEETING, THE ENTIRE BOARD. SO THE BOARD 11 IS AUTHORIZED TO PASS THIS CHARTER, INCLUDING ALL OF ITS 12 PROVISIONS. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO A DEBATE ABOUT THIS AT 13 THE NEXT MEETING FOR A SECOND READING. 14 BUT FOR NOW, I WOULD ADVISE THAT, BECAUSE OF THE 15 THOROUGH COMMITTEE PROCESS, WE JUST GET IT OUT THE FIRST 16 READING AND THEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT SECOND READING AS 17 I EXPECT THAT THERE WILL BE MORE TO HEAR FROM VARIOUS 18 GROUPS. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THE FIRST READING. 20 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WE VOTE ON THE FIRST 21 READING. 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 23 TRUSTEE WONG: DO WE ACTUALLY VOTE ON THE FIRST 24 READING? 25 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: WHY? JULY 28, 2011 114 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: DO WE? 2 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: NO. 3 COUNSEL BATTISTE: I'M SORRY. 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: DO WE VOTE ON A FIRST MEETING? 5 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES. 6 TRUSTEE WONG: WE DO. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH, I THOUGHT WE DO. 8 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES. 9 TRUSTEE WONG: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST TO SAY 10 THAT WE -- 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IT'S NOT APPROVED UNTIL -- 12 COUNSEL BATTISTE: IT HAS TO PASS TWO READINGS 13 BEFORE IT BECOMES POLICY. 14 TRUSTEE WONG: OKAY, IT'S A VOTE, OKAY. 15 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO WHAT HAPPENS IF 16 THERE'S CHANGES IN BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND READING? 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THEN IT BECOMES A FIRST -- IF 18 THERE'S SUBSTANTIVE, THEN IT BECOMES ANOTHER FIRST 19 READING. 20 COUNSEL BATTISTE: CORRECT. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE'VE ALREADY HAD ONE OF 22 THOSE. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SECOND TIME IT'S BEEN TO THE 23 BOARD, BUT THERE WERE CHANGES. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: CALL THE QUESTION. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: NO FURTHER DISCUSSION? JULY 28, 2011 115 1 NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. 2 STUDENT TRUSTEE -- 3 GO AHEAD. 4 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: BEFORE I FINISH, I JUST 5 WANT TO SAY THAT I WASN'T HERE FOR ALL OF KAREN'S 6 COMMENTS. BUT IF THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL CONCERNS, I WOULD 7 HOPE THAT WE CAN MARRY SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS TO BE AT 8 LEAST REFLECTIVE OF THE DOCUMENT SO THAT ON THE SECOND 9 READING WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE HARMONY BECAUSE I KNOW FOLKS 10 WORK REALLY HARD, BUT I KNOW, YOU CLEARLY HAD CONCERNS 11 THAT WERE BEYOND THREE MINUTES LONG. 12 TRUSTEE NGO: TRUSTEE JACKSON, POINT OF 13 INFORMATION. THIS HAS GONE THROUGH SEVERAL COMMITTEES. 14 AT EVERY COMMITTEE, THERE ARE VARIOUS CONSTITUENT GROUPS 15 WERE REPRESENTED TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS. AND THOSE 16 WERE TO THE EXTENT THEY WERE AGREEABLE TO THIS BOARD 17 ELECTED BY THE PUBLIC, THEY WERE ADOPTED. AND NOW THEY 18 ARE HERE FOR A FIRST READING. 19 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: OKAY, IT IS JUST MY 20 HOPE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO -- I MEAN IT IS JUST MY 21 HOPE -- I AM STILL GOING TO VOTE FOR THE FIRST READING, 22 BUT IT IS JUST MY HOPE THAT BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND 23 READING ANY -- YOU KNOW, WE AT LEAST HAVE THE 24 CONVERSATION. WE MIGHT NOT AGREE, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE 25 THE CONVERSATION. SO A ONE ON ONE OFFLINE. AND HOPEFULLY JULY 28, 2011 116 1 BY SECOND READING AT LEAST SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS OR THE 2 CONSTITUENCY'S FOLKS' CONCERNS ARE SOMEWHAT ADDRESSED IN 3 THIS DOCUMENT. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS IFFY, BUT YOU KNOW, 4 HOPEFULLY, WE WILL BE REFLECTIVE OF YOUR COMMENTS. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: COUNSEL, DID YOU HAVE A -- 6 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST 7 ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT TRUSTEE BERG, WHO I 8 CERTAINLY DON'T PURPORT TO SPEAK FOR, BUT SHE DID MAKE A 9 REQUEST TO THE ADMINISTRATION THAT THERE BE A SEPARATE 10 SECTION OF -- IT GIVES A SEPARATE DOCUMENT THAT WOULD 11 DISCUSS A WHISTLEBLOWER PROVISION. 12 I AM NOT CLEAR WHAT SHE HAD IN MIND, BUT SHE DID 13 DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO DRAFT THAT. AND I HAD TALKED 14 WITH MR. BILMONT, AND HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GET TOGETHER WITH 15 OUR NEW CONTROLLER KATHLEEN VARAS -- 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 17 COUNSEL BATTISTE: -- AND WORK THAT OUT, BUT 18 THEY HADN'T DONE THAT AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS COMING 19 BACK TO THE BOARD. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TO BE PASSED SEPARATELY. 21 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YEAH, I THINK SO. 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 23 COUNSEL BATTISTE: AND TO TAKE OUT WHATEVER 24 WHISTLEBLOWER PROVISIONS. I THINK SHE WANTED IT EXCISED 25 OUT OF THIS. JULY 28, 2011 117 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: MAY I? 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH, SURE. 4 TRUSTEE NGO: THERE IS A WHISTLEBLOWER POLICY WE 5 ADOPTED LAST YEAR WE DRAFTED. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS 6 BROUGHT UP IN POLICY COMMITTEE, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. 7 AND IT SIMPLY REPLICATES WHAT'S IN STATE LAW, SO IT'S 8 NOTHING NOVEL. AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THOSE EDITS, 9 WHATEVER THEY MAY HAVE BEEN, I IMAGINE THEY WOULD HAVE 10 GONE THROUGH A COMMITTEE, AND EITHER THEY'RE REPRESENTED 11 IN THIS DOCUMENT AS AN OFFICIAL ACTION OF THE COMMITTEE OR 12 THEY ARE NOT. AND I DON'T SEE IT HERE, SO I DON'T ASSUME 13 THAT IT IS. 14 I DON'T THINK ANY TRUSTEE CAN HAVE KIND OF AN AD 15 HOC COMMITTEE DISCUSSION BY THEMSELVES AND THROUGH THIRD 16 PARTIES. THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF VETTING FOR THIS POLICY 17 AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT 18 WHISTLEBLOWER ISSUE. 19 AGAIN, THE BOARD HAS ADOPTED A POLICY ON 20 WHISTLEBLOWING. THAT WAS QUITE COMPREHENSIVE AND SIMPLY 21 AS A MODEL OF THE STATE LAW. 22 SO I WOULD, AGAIN, URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO GET 23 THIS THING OUT OF FIRST READING. AND LET'S HAVE THIS 24 DISCUSSION WHEN TRUSTEE BERG IS HERE FOR A SECOND READING, 25 SO WE CAN HEAR HER IN PERSON AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONG JULY 28, 2011 118 1 THE ELECTED TRUSTEES ON WHETHER TO ADOPT THIS POLICY OR 2 NOT. 3 TRUSTEE WONG: I'M JUST -- 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 5 TRUSTEE WONG. 6 TRUSTEE WONG: I THINK WE NEED TO ALSO LEAVE IT 7 TO LEGAL COUNSEL TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE ANY 8 SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES. 9 AND I ENCOURAGE -- KAREN, TO SUBMIT YOUR 10 RECOMMENDATIONS. AND IN FACT IF LEGAL COUNSEL ADVISES THE 11 BOARD THAT THERE ARE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, THEN IT GOES 12 BACK -- IS TO MY UNDERSTANDING AS A FIRST READING. 13 COUNSEL BATTISTE: COME BACK AGAIN AS A FIRST 14 READING. 15 TRUSTEE WONG: ALL RIGHT. BUT WE CAN GO AHEAD 16 AND PASS THIS. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: POINT OF INFORMATION, MAY I ASK 19 YOU SOMETHING. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: LET ME JUST -- 21 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH. 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- NOTE THAT LEGAL COUNSEL HAS 23 BEEN AT ALL FOUR MEETINGS WHEN THIS WAS DISCUSSED AND HAS 24 THOROUGHLY VETTED HERSELF. 25 TRUSTEE NGO: MR. PRESIDENT -- JULY 28, 2011 119 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: -- I HAVE TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN 3 THAT -- 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 5 TRUSTEE NGO: -- ANY BOARD CHAIR OF ANY 6 COMMITTEE CAN CALL A COMMITTEE MEETING AND ESSENTIALLY 7 RENDER EDITS, SUBSTANTIVE EDITS, TO ANY COMMITTEE -- TO 8 ANY DOCUMENT REPEATING ESSENTIALLY THE FIRST READING ANY 9 SINGLE TIME THAT THEY CHOOSE. 10 THIS HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH POLICY COMMITTEE 11 ONCE. IT SHOULD NOT BE REFERRED TO POLICY COMMITTEE 12 AGAIN. IN FACT I WOULD URGE THE CHAIR NOT TO REFER IT TO 13 POLICY COMMITTEE THAT IT COMES BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR A 14 SECOND READING NEXT MONTH. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH, ALL RIGHT. THAT 16 ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE. 17 TRUSTEE WONG: LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND PASS 18 THIS. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE FANG. 20 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: YEAH, BOARD PRESIDENT, IF 21 I RECALL CORRECTLY, WHEN THIS WAS -- P1 WAS ON THE AGENDA 22 LAST MONTH, IT WAS REFERRED -- I MEAN THE LAST TIME WE 23 WERE DISCUSSING THIS AS A FULL BOARD IT WAS REFERRED 24 BECAUSE -- TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: POLICY. JULY 28, 2011 120 1 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: BECAUSE IT IS ACTUALLY A 2 POLICY THAT WE ARE GOING TO ADOPT HERE. 3 AND I BELIEVE IN TERMS OF THE WHISTLEBLOWER 4 CLAUSE, THAT WAS THE REMAINING ISSUE AS ALSO THE -- THERE 5 WAS BASICALLY TWO ISSUES REMAINING FROM THE POLICY 6 COMMITTEE MEETING IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. AND WE WENT 7 THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT EXTENSIVELY. 8 I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT EVERYONE HAD 9 ALREADY EXPRESSED THAT WE DISCUSS THIS THOROUGHLY, I AGREE 10 WITH TRUSTEE NGO. LET'S APPROVE THIS FOR A FIRST READING 11 AND THEN WE CAN IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SUGGESTIONS, WE CAN 12 COME BACK FOR ANOTHER MONTH ON THIS. 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 14 I JUST -- I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT I THINK 15 THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POLICY. IT IS VERY FORWARD 16 LOOKING. IT COMES OUT OF THE WORK THAT -- FROM A LOT OF 17 DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND WE ARE BREAKING SOME GROUND HERE 18 BASED ON BEST AUDITING PRACTICES. 19 AUDITS ARE A GOOD THING. I THINK THEY'VE SAVED 20 US A LOT OF MONEY. THEY'VE IMPROVED THIS DISTRICT, AND 21 THE CHANCELLOR AGREES WITH ME, YOU KNOW, OUR OPERATION. 22 SO THIS IS A REALLY GREAT THING FOR THE COLLEGE. IT WILL 23 HELP OUR ACCREDITATION. 24 ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, 25 STUDENT TRUSTEE. JULY 28, 2011 121 1 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 3 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 4 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 5 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 6 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 7 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 9 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THE MOTION CARRIES. 11 P2. 12 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, P2 IS 13 "AMENDING THE SFCCD POLICY MANUAL BY ADDING BOARD POLICY 14 BP 2420, AUTHORIZATIONS TO ENCUMBER THE DISTRICT." 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, OKAY. THIS IS THE -- 16 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE IT, MR. PRESIDENT. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 18 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SECOND. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 20 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE 21 QUORUM RIGHT NOW. 22 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: DID HE LEAVE FOR GOOD OR DID 24 HE JUST STEP OUT. 25 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: NO, HE JUST STEPPED OUT JULY 28, 2011 122 1 FOR A MINUTE. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, LET ME JUST ASK, IF MY 3 MEMORY SERVES ME, WE PASSED THE MATRIX THAT GOES ALONG 4 WITH THIS. 5 TRUSTEE NGO: NO, I REMEMBER READING -- WELL, 6 WATCHING THE MEETING I MISSED IN MAY BECAUSE MY WIFE WAS 7 GIVING BIRTH. BOTH OF THESE ITEMS, THE S RESOLUTION AND 8 THE P RESOLUTION WERE PULLED. THE S RESOLUTION SHOULD NOT 9 HAVE BEEN PULLED. IT'S NOT A POLICY. IT'S ACTUALLY 10 JUST -- IT'S AN ACTUAL MATRIX THAT WAS DRAFTED BY THE 11 ADMINISTRATION THAT FOLLOWS THIS PROPOSED POLICY. 12 WHETHER WE WOULD ADOPT THIS AS POLICY OR NOT, 13 CERTAINLY THE LEVEL OF DETAIL IN THE S RESOLUTION THAT WAS 14 PULLED WITH THIS P2 IS NOT SOMETHING THE BOARD WOULD DRAFT 15 AT THAT LEVEL. BUT YET, BOTH WERE PULLED AT THAT MEETING 16 THAT I MISSED. 17 SO I AM PLEASED TO SEE P2 BACK HERE FOR A SECOND 18 READING. AND AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, A CHANGE WAS ADDED BUT 19 IT'S NOT MATERIAL THAT THE ADMINISTRATION, AS I HAD 20 ARTICULATED EARLIER, SHOULD ADOPT THESE POLICIES, THE 21 PROTOCOLS. AND IT'S THE BOARD THAT SIMPLY ASKING FOR A 22 POLICY THAT THEY ADOPT ONE, NOT THAT WE DRAFT ONE 23 OURSELVES. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: DIDN'T WE NOT -- WE HAD ONE 25 THAT WAS PULLED, RIGHT? JULY 28, 2011 123 1 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH, IT WAS PULLED IN APRIL 2 BECAUSE THE BACK PAGE WAS MISSING, RIGHT. 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AND THEN IT CAME BACK LAST 4 MONTH. 5 TRUSTEE NGO: NO, NO. IT CAME IN MAY, THE 6 MEETING I MISSED. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 8 TRUSTEE NGO: TRUSTEE BERG ASKED THAT NOT JUST P 9 BE PULLED, BUT THE -- 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THE S. 11 TRUSTEE NGO: -- S AS WELL AND IT WAS -- SENT A 12 POLICY, BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS WERE SENT TO POLICY. THEY 13 SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN, JUST ONE OF THEM. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 15 TRUSTEE NGO: AND NOW THEY ARE BACK. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IS THERE A REASON -- IS THE -- 17 THE S IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: THE S IS ON THE AGENDA. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, IT IS. 20 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: NO. I DON'T THINK IT IS. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I DIDN'T THINK IT IS. IS 22 THERE A REASON WHY IT'S NOT? WAS IS JUST AN OVERSIGHT? 23 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS 24 ON THE AGENDA. 25 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY, I THINK I THOUGHT IT WAS ON JULY 28, 2011 124 1 THE AGENDA. IT SHOULD BE. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH, IT SHOULD BE. 3 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: AND IT WAS PASSED OUT AT 4 THE POLICY COMMITTEE, THE S AS WELL. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 6 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: I REMEMBER I WAS THERE. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 8 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: YEAH, IT WAS THERE. 9 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IT WAS PASSED. 10 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: YEAH, AT THE POLICY 11 COMMITTEE. 12 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING THE 13 POLICY (INAUDIBLE). 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: NO? 15 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: I REMEMBER IT WAS, BUT WE 16 CAN CHECK THE RECORD. 17 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: I DON'T REMEMBER THE COMMITTEE 18 ACTION, BUT IT DOES APPARENTLY NEED TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO 19 YOU. THERE'S NO REASON YOU CAN'T PASS THIS TONIGHT 20 WITHOUT IT. 21 COUNSEL BATTISTE: RIGHT. 22 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: RIGHT. 23 TRUSTEE NGO: AND MAY I ADD, MR. PRESIDENT. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES. 25 TRUSTEE NGO: IT REALLY HAS TAKEN A LOT OF WORK JULY 28, 2011 125 1 BY THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE CHANCELLOR AND PETER AND 2 JOHN BILMONT TO WORK WITH THE CONSTITUENT GROUPS TO GET A 3 GRID, A MATRIX THAT WAS PRACTICAL BUT NOT CONTRARY OR THAT 4 WOULD FRUSTRATE AUDITING PRINCIPLES. THAT'S THE WHOLE 5 POINT OF THE MATRIX. 6 AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE TO WAIT 7 ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR MONTHS TO GET THIS THING PASSED, BUT 8 I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING IT BROUGHT BACK NEXT MONTH, 9 THE ACTUAL S RESOLUTION. AND I'M GLAD THAT -- I HOPE THAT 10 WE CAN PASS THIS P RESOLUTION TONIGHT. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IS TRUSTEE WONG IN THE 12 HALLWAY, DO WE KNOW? 13 MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE: YES. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: HE IS, BECAUSE WE COULD USE 15 HIM. 16 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WE NEED HIM. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IN THE MEANTIME, IS THERE ANY 18 PUBLIC COMMENT? 19 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: HERE HE COMES. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: DID WE MOVE THIS? I DON'T 21 REMEMBER. 22 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, YOU DID. IT WAS MOVED 23 BY TRUSTEE NGO; SECONDED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE WONG, DO YOU HAVE ANY 25 DISCUSSION ON P2? JULY 28, 2011 126 1 TRUSTEE WONG: ON P2, NO. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, STUDENT TRUSTEE, YOUR 3 VOTE, PLEASE. 4 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 6 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 7 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 8 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 9 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 10 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 12 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 14 P2 CARRIES. 15 S1. 16 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, S1 IS A 17 "RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT THE AMENDMENT TO THE COLLECTIVE 18 BARGAINING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE AMERICAN FEDERATION OF 19 TEACHERS LOCAL 2121 AND THE SAN FRANCISCO COMMUNITY 20 COLLEGE DISTRICT." 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IS THERE A MOTION FOR S1? 22 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL MOVE S1. 23 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SECOND. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO; SECONDED 25 BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. JULY 28, 2011 127 1 IS THERE A DISCUSSION? 2 PUBLIC COMMENT. 3 STUDENT TRUSTEE. 4 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 6 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 7 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 8 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 9 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 10 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 12 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 14 S1 IS APPROVED. 15 S2. 16 COUNSEL BATTISTE: HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. I AM 17 TRYING TO GET TO IT. 18 RIGHT, S2 IS "PRESENTING THE INITIAL PROPOSALS 19 OF THE SAN FRANCISCO BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION TRADE 20 COUNCIL UNIONS AND OF THE SAN FRANCISCO COMMUNITY COLLEGE 21 DISTRICT FOR A SUCCESSOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, 22 AND PLACING A SPECIAL ORDER OF BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA FOR 23 A PUBLIC BOARD OF TRUSTEES MEETING IN AUGUST 2011 FOR 24 PUBLIC RESPONSE TO THE INITIAL PROPOSALS." 25 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO MOVED. JULY 28, 2011 128 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 2 IS THERE A SECOND? 3 TRUSTEE NGO: I WILL SECOND IT. 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 5 CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME A BRIEF EXPLANATION AS TO 6 WHAT THIS IS? 7 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: AS I UNDERSTAND, THE LAW 8 REQUIRES THE DISTRICT TO SUNSHINE THE ISSUES IT INTENDS TO 9 SEEK AGREEMENT WITH THE UNION ON IN PUBLIC MATTER PRIOR TO 10 BEGINNING NEGOTIATIONS. 11 SO THE ATTACHMENT TO THE RESOLUTION CONTAINS A 12 STATEMENT FROM THE UNION ABOUT WHAT THEY INTEND TO 13 NEGOTIATE AND AN ATTACHMENT FROM THE DISTRICT ABOUT ISSUES 14 THAT IT INTENDS TO NEGOTIATE AND DOES NOT OF COURSE IN 15 ANYWAY PRESUPPOSE ANY OUTCOMES. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THESE ARE OUR OWN EMPLOYEES, 17 NOT -- 18 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THAT'S CORRECT. THESE ARE 19 DISTRICT EMPLOYEES. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, GREAT. 21 FURTHER DISCUSSION? 22 PUBLIC COMMENT? 23 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF S2? 24 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 25 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) JULY 28, 2011 129 1 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 2 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 3 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 5 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 6 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 8 MOTION CARRIES. 9 S3. 10 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, S3 IS 11 "PRESENTING THE INITIAL PROPOSALS OF THE STATIONARY 12 ENGINEERS LOCAL 39 AND OF THE SAN FRANCISCO COMMUNITY 13 COLLEGE DISTRICT FOR A SUCCESSOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING 14 AGREEMENT, AND PLACING A SPECIAL ORDER OF BUSINESS ON THE 15 AGENDA FOR A PUBLIC BOARD OF TRUSTEES MEETING IN AUGUST 16 2011 FOR PUBLIC RESPONSE TO THE INITIAL PROPOSALS." 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 18 IS THERE A MOTION FOR S3? 19 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO MOVED. 20 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: SECOND. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON; 22 SECONDED BY STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG. 23 IS THERE A DISCUSSION? 24 PUBLIC COMMENT? 25 STUDENT TRUSTEE. JULY 28, 2011 130 1 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 3 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 4 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 5 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 6 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 7 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 9 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOTION CARRIES. 11 S4. 12 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO MOVED. 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 14 IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND TO S4? 15 TRUSTEE NGO: SECOND. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 17 COUNSEL. 18 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, S4 IS 19 "PRESENTING THE INITIAL PROPOSALS OF THE SERVICE EMPLOYEES 20 INTERNATIONAL UNION LOCAL 1021 AND OF THE SAN FRANCISCO 21 COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT FOR A SUCCESSOR COLLECTIVE 22 BARGAINING AGREEMENT, AND PLACING A SPECIAL ORDER OF 23 BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE PUBLIC BOARD OF TRUSTEES 24 MEETING IN AUGUST 2011 FOR PUBLIC RESPONSE TO THE INITIAL 25 PROPOSALS." JULY 28, 2011 131 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? 2 PUBLIC COMMENT? 3 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 4 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 5 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 6 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 7 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 8 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 10 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 11 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 13 S4 CARRIES. 14 S5, COUNSEL. 15 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT, S5 IS A 16 "RESOLUTION TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE SAN FRANCISCO 17 COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT FROM THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES 18 EXPRESSING ITS HEARTFELT APPRECIATION FOR THE MANY 19 CONTRIBUTIONS OF ATTILA J. GABOR, THE OUTGOING PRESIDENT 20 OF THE CLASSIFIED SENATE." 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IS THERE A MOTION? 22 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO MOVED. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 24 TRUSTEE WONG: SECOND. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE WONG. JULY 28, 2011 132 1 DISCUSSION? IS THERE A DISCUSSION? 2 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I -- 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL RIGHT, TRUSTEE. 4 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YOU KNOW, I THINK I 5 SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY IN SAYING THAT THE VALUE OF HAVING 6 ATTILA HERE, YOU KNOW, FAR OUTWEIGHS WHAT HIS JOB 7 DESCRIPTION ACTUALLY IS IN TERMS OF SHARED GOVERNANCE 8 COORDINATOR. 9 AND OFTENTIMES IN THESE TOUGH BUDGETARY, YOU 10 KNOW, BATTLES AND WE ARE TALKING MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, IT'S 11 REALLY HARD TO FORGET THE VALUE OF OUR CLASSIFIED AND OF 12 OUR FACULTY MEMBERS AS WELL. 13 AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, MONTH IN AND MONTH OUT 14 WITH THE REPORTING AND WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME SIDE 15 CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, ATTILA HAS BEEN ONE OF THE FOLKS 16 WITHIN THIS INSTITUTION TO HELP KEEP OUR FOCUS ON THE 17 FOLKS THAT REALLY DO THE HEAVY LIFTING DAY IN AND DAY OUT 18 WITHIN THIS INSTITUTION. AND, YOU KNOW, HELPING KEEP US 19 ALL ACCOUNTABLE WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE THESE HIGH 20 LOFTY CONVERSATIONS. HEY, IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE FOLKS ON 21 THE GROUND THAT ARE DOING THIS WORK. 22 AND, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU, ATTILA, 23 NOT JUST AS A CLASSIFIED WORKER, BUT AS A HUMAN BEING AND 24 SOMEONE THAT REALLY CARES AND AS GIVEN THEIR LIFE'S WORK 25 TO MAKING THIS COLLEGE RUN EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY, JULY 28, 2011 133 1 BUT WITH SOME SORT OF HUMANITY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, 2 THINKING ABOUT THE FOLKS THAT DO THE JOB, YOU KNOW, HERE 3 ON A DAILY BASIS. 4 SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING A LEADER WITHIN 5 THIS INSTITUTION. AND JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE 6 TITLE AS PRESIDENT, DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE STILL NOT A 7 LEADER WITHIN THIS INSTITUTION ON BEHALF OF CLASSIFIEDS. 8 THANK YOU. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE WONG. 10 TRUSTEE WONG: I CAN ONLY ECHO WHAT TRUSTEE 11 JACKSON SAID. I'VE SEEN ATTILA IN SOME MANY DIFFERENT 12 ROLES AND ALWAYS A STRONG ADVOCATE AND NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK 13 UP. AND I THINK IT'S SO VALUABLE WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO 14 ARE NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK UP WHO EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW THAT 15 SOMETIMES THE BOARD MAY DISAGREE, HE SPEAKS UP, AND IT'S A 16 TOTAL COMMITMENT AND DEDICATION. AND I KNOW YOU'VE WENT 17 THROUGH SOME OTHER ISSUES REGARDING YOUR OWN PERSONAL 18 LIFE, BUT YOU WERE ALWAYS THERE AND THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT 19 YOU AS A HUMAN BEING AND YOUR DEDICATION TO CITY COLLEGE 20 OF SAN FRANCISCO. I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS DISTRICT WITHOUT 21 YOU. 22 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: HE'S NOT LEAVING. 23 TRUSTEE WONG: I KNOW YOU ARE NOT LEAVING 24 BECAUSE YOU ARE SO INVOLVED THAT I CAN'T IMAGINE -- YOU 25 KNOW, I WILL BE GONE BEFORE YOU, BUT I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE JULY 28, 2011 134 1 CITY COLLEGE WITHOUT ATTILA GABOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? 3 YES, STUDENT TRUSTEE. 4 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: OF COURSE. 5 NEEDLESS TO SAY THAT ATTILA IS AN IMPORTANT PART 6 OF THE COLLEGE, AND THAT CAN BE DEMONSTRATED BY THE FACT 7 THAT LAST, I BELIEVE, IN THE TAIL END OF THE FALL SEMESTER 8 OF THE PAST ACADEMIC YEAR, ATTILA WAS MISSING FROM ACTION 9 FOR ABOUT A MONTH OR SO. AND I ALWAYS ASKED WHERE IS 10 ATTILA? WHEN IS THIS GOING TO GET DONE? I NEED SOMEBODY 11 TO HELP THIS. YES, HE IS VERY IMPORTANT. 12 AND IF ONLY WORDS CAN REALLY EXPRESS WHAT THAT 13 MEANT TO ALL OF US AT THE COLLEGE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE 14 SUFFICIENT. 15 SO WE KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO WORK HARD 16 CONTINUOUSLY FOR THE COLLEGE. AND WE ARE ALL GOING TO 17 WORK TOGETHER AND WITH YOU TOO, SO YOU DESERVE THIS. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: LET ME JUST BEFORE THE CHANCELLOR 19 GOES. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YES. 21 TRUSTEE NGO: I WANT TO JUST ECHO EVERYONE'S 22 COMMENTS ON YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR ABILITY TO WORK WITH 23 EVERYONE. 24 ATTILA, IT'S BEEN A REAL PLEASURE. IT'S BEEN AN 25 INTERESTING COUPLE OF YEARS I THINK, ESPECIALLY FOR ME AS JULY 28, 2011 135 1 A NEW BOARD MEMBER. BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT IT'S ALWAYS 2 NICE TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU. AND I THINK YOUR HUMILITY 3 IS A VERY ADMIRABLE THING. AND IT ENCOURAGES I THINK 4 STRONG AND HONEST DEBATE EVEN THOUGH WE MAY DISAGREE. 5 IT'S NICE THAT YOU BRING THAT TO THE TABLE. AND I THINK 6 THAT TYPE OF APPROACH HAS ONLY ENCOURAGED INTERACTION AND 7 GENUINE SHARED GOVERNANCE IN MY OPINION. 8 AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING NEXT, SO I 9 GUESS YOU ARE NOT LEAVING. BUT IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT YOU 10 ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN THIS POSITION I GUESS. OTHERWISE, 11 I HOPE TO SEE YOU AROUND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. 12 IT'S MEANT A LOT, NOT JUST TO ME, BUT ALSO I KNOW TO MY 13 COLLEAGUES. AND IN MANY WAYS, THE STUDENTS AT THIS 14 COLLEGE, SO THANK YOU. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: DO YOU MIND IF I -- 16 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: YEAH. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M REALLY 18 GLAD THAT WE HAVE HAD MR. GABOR IN THIS POSITION. HE HAS 19 BEEN VERY HELPFUL WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THE BOARD HAS 20 BEEN WORKING ON AND HAS HAD THE PATIENCE TO SIT DOWN WITH 21 US FOR MANY HOURS, YOU KNOW, HASHING OUT THINGS AND GIVING 22 SOME REALLY GOOD, REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK AND INPUT. 23 SO I AM JUST VERY GLAD AND I THANK YOU. 24 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WELL, I THINK ATTILA HAS 25 BEEN AN AMAZING ASSET TO THE COLLEGE. AND PERSONALLY, AS JULY 28, 2011 136 1 HE KNOWS, I RELIED ON HIM HEAVILY IN TERMS OF SOMEONE I 2 COULD SIT DOWN AND TALK TO. HE IS VERY BROAD-MINDED. HE 3 HAS A LOT OF WISDOM. AND HE IS VERY BALANCED IN TERMS OF 4 HOW HE APPROACHES THINGS. 5 YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, IF YOU WANT TO REALLY GET 6 A VERY THOUGHTFUL APPRAISAL OF A SITUATION, HE IS ABLE TO 7 GIVE YOU THAT VERY THOUGHTFUL APPRAISAL ALWAYS IN A VERY 8 RESPECTFUL CONTEXT AND ONE THAT HAS THE WELFARE OF THE 9 STUDENTS AND THE COLLEGE IN GENERAL AT HEART. 10 I THINK HE'S REALLY AN AMAZING PERSON, AND I 11 ADMIRE HIM VERY MUCH. AND I THINK WE HAVE BEEN VERY 12 LUCKY. THE CHANCELLOR'S OFFICE HAS BEEN EXTREMELY LUCKY 13 TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH HIM ALL THE TIME, WHICH WE WILL 14 CONTINUE TO DO. 15 BUT I THINK THE DISTRICT IS VERY LUCKY AS WELL. 16 AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE JAZZ -- THESE JAZZ 17 MUSICIANS WHEN THEY ARE PLAYING AND STUFF, AND WE HAD THE 18 PLEASURE OF HAVING FORMER SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI TO BE OUR 19 GRADUATION SPEAKER. AND SHE WAS LIKE -- YOU KNOW, SHE IS 20 A VERY AMAZING PERSON, BUT SHE WAS UP THERE QUOTING 21 ATTILA'S SPEECH IN HER SPEECH, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS REALLY 22 REMARKABLE KIND OF TRIBUTE TO HIM THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO 23 KIND OF RIFT OFF OF HIS MAIN JAZZ COMBINATION THAT HE WAS 24 DOING UP THERE. I GUESS IT WASN'T JUST IMPROMPTU ON HIS 25 PART, BUT SHE WAS VERY IMPROMPTU. BUT SHE RECOGNIZED A JULY 28, 2011 137 1 GOOD SONG. SHE RECOGNIZED A GOOD BEAT. SHE FIGURED SHE 2 COULD DANCE TO IT AND SHE DID. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT 3 ATTILA IS. HE'S GOT A REALLY GOOD BEAT THAT WE COULD ALL 4 DANCE TO. THAT'S TOO OLD FOR MOST OF YOU, BUT -- 5 TRUSTEE WONG: GOOD COMMENTS. 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IS THERE ANYMORE DISCUSSION ON 7 THE BOARD? 8 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: (INAUDIBLE.) 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 10 PUBLIC COMMENT. 11 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: OH, OKAY. 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MS. SAGINOR. 13 MS. SAGINOR: KAREN SAGINOR, ACADEMIC SENATE 14 PRESIDENT. 15 IT'S BEEN VERY IMPORTANT TO ME WORKING WITH -- 16 PRESIDENT GABOR IS MY CORRESPONDING CLASSIFIED SENATE 17 PRESIDENT. HE'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO ME IN MANY AREAS 18 THAT WAY. AND, OF COURSE, I WILL BE EXPECTING THE NEW 19 CLASSIFIED SENATE PRESIDENT, AND I AM SURE ATTILA WILL 20 GIVE HIM LOTS OF GOOD HELP IN GETTING STARTED. IN FACT I 21 THINK HE'S DONE IT BEFORE PERHAPS, SO I WILL BE COUNTING 22 ON HIM. 23 BUT THE GOOD THING IS ATTILA STILL WILL BE 24 SHARED GOVERNANCE COORDINATOR, SO I THINK THERE ARE THINGS 25 THAT I USED TO GO ASK HIM ABOUT SAYING, WELL, YOU ARE JULY 28, 2011 138 1 CLASSIFIED SENATE PRESIDENT, YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THIS. I 2 WILL STILL ASK HIM THOSE SAME THINGS. I WILL JUST SAY, 3 WELL, SINCE YOU ARE SHARED GOVERNANCE COORDINATOR, I NEED 4 YOUR HELP. 5 SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ATTILA. 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? 7 MS. WEINBERG: HI, ELISABETH WEINBERG, STUDENT. 8 AND I ALSO -- 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: FILL OUT A CARD OUT WHEN YOU 10 ARE FINISHED. 11 MS. WEINBERG: I WILL. 12 I'D ALSO LIKE TO ECHO ALL THE THANK YOUS TO 13 ATTILA. HE HAD REACHED OUT TO OUR STUDENT GOVERNMENT LAST 14 YEAR RIGHT AWAY WITH A VERY WARM WELCOME. HE IS A VERY 15 KNOWLEDGABLE PERSON. AND AS OTHERS HAVE SAID, HE WEARS 16 MANY HATS. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY STOOD OUT 17 TO ME ABOUT ATTILA IS THE FACT THAT HE IS INCREDIBLY 18 VERSATILE, AS WELL AS KNOWLEDGABLE. AND I HAVE LEARNED A 19 LOT ABOUT POLICY FROM HIM AND ALSO HAVE BEEN INSPIRED BY 20 HIS CREATIVITY AND THINKING ON HIS FEET AND THE WAY HE HAS 21 HELPED TO ENCOURAGE ME AND ALSO TO ENCOURAGE THE STUDENTS 22 TO PARTICIPATE IN SHARED GOVERNANCE AT CITY COLLEGE. 23 SO THANK YOU, ATTILA. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO 24 SEEING A LOT MORE OF YOU. THANK YOU. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. JULY 28, 2011 139 1 MS. THOMAS: I KNOW, MY CARD, BUT I CAN'T PASS 2 UP HIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT ATTILA. 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: FIRST STATE YOUR NAME. 4 MS. THOMAS: ANGELA THOMAS. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 6 MS. THOMAS: AND I ADORE ATTILA. AND I PICKED 7 THAT WORD SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE ALL OF YOU TALK ABOUT 8 ATTILA FROM A VERY PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT OF HOW 9 KNOWLEDGABLE HE IS AND ALL OF THIS OTHER KIND OF STUFF. 10 BUT HE IS LIKE THAT ACROSS THE BOARD. AND I HAVE THE 11 BIGGEST, I MEAN JUST A BALL TALKING TO HIM BECAUSE I 12 RAMBLE. AND HE ALWAYS COMES OUT WITH SOME STATISTIC. 13 "YOU KNOW PLATO SAID THAT ANGELA." NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT. 14 BUT, YOU KNOW, SO AND SO HAPPENED TO THIS. AND 15 I MEAN IT'S REALLY ONE OF MY JOYS OF COMING TO BOARD 16 MEETINGS BECAUSE I GET TO BE WITH MY DATE, AND THAT'S WHAT 17 I TELL EVERYBODY. ATTILA IS MY BOARD MEETING DATE. AND 18 IT'S LIKE WHEN WE SIT BACK THERE, HE IS JUST A PHENOMENAL 19 PERSON. AND LIKE WITH THE MUSIC, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE 20 WAS A MUSIC PERSON. YOU GUYS DON'T SEE HIM IN THERE WHEN 21 HE IS DEMONSTRATING AND HE GETS IN HIS PUNK ROCK STANCE 22 AND HE DOES IT ALL. SEE THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING. IT'S 23 LIKE I GET TO SEE THAT ATTILA. 24 AND ANGELA IS PRETTY FORTUNATE ALL THE WAY 25 AROUND BECAUSE I GET TO SEE THE BEST OF PEOPLE MORE OFTEN JULY 28, 2011 140 1 THEN MOST PEOPLE. BUT ATTILA IS SOMEONE THAT I HAVE 2 TRULY, TRULY, TRULY, ENJOYED. HE IS ONE OF MY GOLD 3 NUGGETS THAT I'VE FOUND HERE AT SAN FRANCISCO CITY 4 COLLEGE, SO I AM GRATEFUL AND HAPPY FOR ANY AWARD OR 5 ACCOLADES THAT YOU ALL DECIDE TO GIVE HIM. 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? 7 ALL RIGHT. WE WILL TAKE A VOTE. 8 STUDENT TRUSTEE. 9 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY "AYE". 11 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 12 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 13 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 14 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 15 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 17 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 18 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 19 OKAY, THE MOTION CARRIES. 20 MR. GABOR, IF YOU COULD COME UP WE HAVE 21 SOMETHING FOR YOU. 22 MR. GABOR: THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU 24 VERY MUCH. 25 SO WE NOW HAVE -- JULY 28, 2011 141 1 TRUSTEE WONG: SPEECH, SPEECH, SPEECH. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU WANT 3 TO SAY SOMETHING, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 4 MR. GABOR: I WILL GO LATER. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: HE MAKES GOOD SPEECHES. 6 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I KNOW HE DOES. 7 MR. GABOR: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL SAID. 9 S6. 10 COUNSEL BATTISTE: S6. 11 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: TRUSTEES, S6 -- DO YOU NEED TO 12 HAVE SOMEONE READ IT? 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE ARE JUST GOING TO READ IT. 14 I WILL READ IT IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR HANDS ON IT. 15 IT'S A "EXTENSION OF CITY COLLEGE OF SAN 16 FRANCISCO/SAN FRANCISCO POLICE DEPARTMENT MASTER AGREEMENT 17 THROUGH AUGUST 31ST." 18 FIRST, LET'S TAKE A MOTION. 19 TRUSTEE NGO: SO MOVED. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 21 SECOND? 22 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SECOND. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 24 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: OKAY. TRUSTEES, TECHNICALLY 25 OUR AGREEMENT, OUR MULTI-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE SFPD JULY 28, 2011 142 1 EXPIRED ON JUNE 30TH. IN ORDER TO CONTINUE OUR HARMONIOUS 2 RELATIONSHIP TO THE BENEFIT OF BOTH PARTIES, WHILE 3 DR. GRIFFIN WAS ON HIS WELL-EARNED VACATION, I WORKED 4 DIRECTLY WITH THE BOARD PRESIDENT TO ASK IF IT WOULD BE 5 OKAY TO SIGN A 30-DAY EXTENSION UNTIL WE GOT TO THIS BOARD 6 MEETING WHERE THERE IS NOW A RESOLUTION TO GIVE US ANOTHER 7 30 DAYS. 8 I AM VERY OPTIMISTIC AT THIS POINT THAT WE WILL 9 HAVE A REAL FINAL AGREEMENT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AT THE 10 AUGUST BOARD MEETING, A MULTI-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE 11 POLICE, BUT THAT'S NOT READY YET. SO WE ARE ASKING FOR 12 PERMISSION TO GO ANOTHER 30 DAYS UNDER THE TERMS OF THE 13 OLD AGREEMENT. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE JACKSON. 15 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO WHAT DOES THE POLICE 16 DEPARTMENT DO WITHIN THIS AGREEMENT? 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE PAY THEM. 18 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: FOR WHAT? 19 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A 20 RELATIONSHIP WITH US WHERE WE SPONSOR, ESSENTIALLY PUT 21 THEIR CLASSES UNDER OUR UMBRELLA. 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THE POLICE ACADEMY. 23 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: THE POLICE ACADEMY, YEAH, AS 24 WELL AS INCLUDING CADETS, AS WELL AS ONGOING OFFICER 25 TRAINING. JULY 28, 2011 143 1 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: DO WE GET THE CHANCE TO 2 LIKE -- AND I THEY ARE GOING -- 3 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: WE -- 4 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- FUND A POLICE 5 DEPARTMENT -- I MEAN A POLICE ACADEMY THIS TIME. 6 DO WE GET THE CHANCE TO, BECAUSE WE HOUSE THEM, 7 DO WE GET SOME SAY IN THE STUFF THEY TEACH AT THE POLICE 8 ACADEMY? 9 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: I AM NOT MOST EXPERT ON THAT. 10 DR. CHAVARIA, IF HE'S HERE, PROBABLY COULD COMMENT ON 11 THAT. 12 I WILL TELL YOU WE CLAIM FTES -- 13 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: ALL RIGHT. 14 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: -- AND GET FUNDING FROM THE 15 STATE FOR THIS ACTIVITY. 16 MR. CHAVARIA: THE QUESTION WAS -- AGAIN? 17 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: THE QUESTION WAS I MEAN 18 I THINK EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED -- 19 MR. CHAVARIA: YEP. 20 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD 21 ABOUT A WEEK AGO. YOU KNOW, THEY SHOT A GUY, AND THEY 22 KILLED HIM. AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNITY KIND OF 23 QUESTIONING OF THE POLICE AND THEIR ROLE IN ESPECIALLY 24 COMMUNITIES THAT ARE LOW INCOME. AND, YOU KNOW, I 25 PLEDGED, YOU KNOW, TO THE COMMUNITY AT LEAST TO DO WHAT I JULY 28, 2011 144 1 CAN. AND THE BEST I CAN DO IF WE ARE GOING TO SIGN AN 2 AGREEMENT, AND WE ARE GIVING THEM MONEY I GUESS. 3 IT'S ASKED DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF QUALITY 4 CONTROL OVER WHAT THEIR NEW RECRUIT -- I MEAN WE ARE 5 FUNDING A NEW ACADEMY. YOU KNOW SO THE BEST I COULD DO IS 6 ASK, YOU KNOW, SINCE THEY ARE FUNDING A NEW ACADEMY, WE'RE 7 PUTTING IN MONEY FOR THIS. DO WE HAVE ANY TYPE OF CONTROL 8 OVER, LIKE, SINCE WE HAVE FACULTY, DO WE HAVE ANY CONTROL 9 OF WHAT WE ACTUALLY TEACH AT THE POLICE ACADEMY? 10 MR. CHAVARIA: YOU KNOW, THE -- WHAT IS TAUGHT 11 AT THE POLICE ACADEMY IS CONTROLLED BY SACRAMENTO, THE 12 PROFESSIONAL -- IT'S CALLED, "POST." OUR INPUT IS TO LOOK 13 AT THEIR COURSES, APPROVE THEIR COURSES, RUN THEIR COURSES 14 THROUGH OUR CURRICULUM COMMITTEE. 15 A NUMBER OF THE KEY PERSONNEL WHO SERVE ON THE 16 POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE MATRICULATED THROUGH SAN FRANCISCO 17 CITY COLLEGE. I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE 18 PROGRAM HAS PLAYED A ROLE IN THE KIND OF OFFICERS THAT ARE 19 GOING TO THE SAN FRANCISCO POLICE DEPARTMENT. 20 I THINK INDIRECTLY TO SAY THAT WE COULD CONTROL 21 THEIR COURSES, THE WAY WE CONTROL THEIR COURSES IS BY 22 PASSING THEM THROUGH THE CURRICULUM COMMITTEE. AND WHAT 23 WE ARE DOING IS WE'RE LOOKING AT COMMUNITY RELATIONS. WE 24 ARE LOOKING AT MULTICULTURALISM. WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF 25 THOSE THINGS. JULY 28, 2011 145 1 AND SO, YES, I THINK THE ACADEMY IS PROBABLY 2 BETTER FOR THE KIND OF RECRUITS THAT THEY ARE DEVELOPING 3 BECAUSE OF THEIR ASSOCIATION WITH THE COLLEGE. 4 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH. 5 MR. CHAVARIA: TO SAY THAT WE CAN CONTROL THEM, 6 I AM NOT SURE ANYONE CAN CONTROL THEM, BUT WE DO HAVE 7 RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE POLICE COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE 8 RELATIONSHIPS WITH CJCJ. THE FACT THAT I AM INVOLVED WITH 9 THEM I THINK SPEAKS VOLUMES BECAUSE I BELIEVE I THINK THE 10 SAME WAY AS YOU DO. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS PROBABLY 11 BETTER NOW -- WHEN I FIRST -- 12 LET ME JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, YOU ARE ASKING 13 SOME QUESTIONS, SO LET ME ANSWER IT. YOU KNOW SAN 14 FRANCISCO WAS PRETTY MUCH A WHITE BOYS' PROGRAM FOR A LONG 15 TIME. THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH. AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS. 16 TODAY THAT DEPARTMENT HAS CHANGED, BUT ATTITUDES CONTINUE 17 TO BE THE SAME, WHETHER IT'S BLACK, LATINO, ASIAN. IT'S 18 THE ATTITUDES. IT'S THE POLICE CULTURE THAT WE HAVE TO 19 CHANGE, AND THAT'S DIFFICULT. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I 20 THINK WE CAN MAKE INROADS IN. 21 I WAS THE FIRST LATINO TO BE HIRED AS A FEDERAL 22 PO FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA. DID THE 23 NORTHERN DISTRICT CHANGE BECAUSE OF ME? YEAH, I THINK IT 24 DID. 25 WE'RE UP AGAINST SOME PRETTY TOUGH ATTITUDES. JULY 28, 2011 146 1 AND PART OF THE PROBLEM IS IT'S DIFFICULT WHEN YOU HAVE 2 SOMEBODY WHO LOOKS LIKE YOU HAS THE SAME ATTITUDE AS YOU 3 ARE TRYING TO CHANGE. BUT I THINK BECAUSE OF THE 4 RELATIONSHIP THAT WE DO HAVE, WE ARE MAKING INROADS. 5 AND I WOULD WELCOME YOU TO COME AND GO WITH US 6 UP TO THE ACADEMY AND BE THE GUEST AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE 7 DOING AND MEET THEIR TRAINERS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE 8 GOOD. 9 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH. 10 MR. CHAVARIA: I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR 11 THEM, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU. AND I OFFER 12 THAT TO ANY OF THE TRUSTEES WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO. 13 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH. AND, FRED, I 14 RESPECT THE HELL OUT OF YOU. 15 MR. CHAVARIA: YES. 16 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND I RESPECT OUR 17 CURRICULUM COMMITTEE. AND I KNOW THAT THEY DO GOOD WORK. 18 AND THE CURRICULUM THAT COMES OUT OF OUR CURRICULUM 19 COMMITTEE IS OFTENTIMES VERY, VERY FORWARD THINKING. AND 20 SO I GET THAT IN A REAL WAY. 21 YOU KNOW, BUT THE RELATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY 22 AREN'T VERY GOOD. YOU KNOW, AND A LOT OF LEADERS ARE 23 SEEING IT. YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO START FROM THE BEGINNING 24 WHEN WE GET THOSE FOLKS IN THE ACADEMY. AND SOMETHING IS 25 NOT HAPPENING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE IS A -- JULY 28, 2011 147 1 MR. CHAVARIA: YOU ARE RIGHT. 2 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- LETHAL REACTION TO 3 SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T PAY A BUS FAIR, THAT GETS KIND OF, YOU 4 KNOW -- WHAT TRIGGERS THAT? 5 THEY WERE TRAINED ENOUGH TO SHOOT THE GUY FOUR 6 TIMES. SO THEY ARE LIKE WHAT OTHER PARTS OF THAT TRAINING 7 DIDN'T HAPPEN. 8 AND, YOU KNOW, AS A LEADER IN MY COMMUNITY WHERE 9 SOMETHING VERY BAD HAPPENED, AND IT BREEDS DISTRUST FOR 10 ALL POLICE OFFICERS, WHICH I'M NOT EVER ONE TO SAY 11 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE BREAKS INTO YOUR HOUSE, YOU 12 WANT THAT POLICE OFFICER THERE. AND 99 PERCENT OF THEM -- 13 90 PERCENT OF THEM I'LL SAY ARE VERY GOOD COPS, BUT THAT 14 ONE INCIDENT RUINED IT FOR EVERYBODY REALLY. 15 MR. CHAVARIA: YEAH. 16 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND I CAN'T IN GOOD 17 CONSCIOUS, YOU KNOW, APPROVE THIS. AND LIKE I SAID, I 18 RESPECT YOU. I RESPECT THE PROCESS THAT APPROVES THE 19 CURRICULUM. I KNOW IT COMES OUT OF THERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, 20 I WOULD PREFER US, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF HOLD BACK AND LET 21 THEM ACTUALLY MAKE A PRESENTATION ON WHAT THE -- MAKE A 22 PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD ON WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO, HOW 23 THEY -- WHAT THEY ACTUALLY TEACH, YOU KNOW -- I DON'T 24 THINK HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT 25 THIS TIME IS VERY ADVANTAGEOUS FOR THE INSTITUTION. JULY 28, 2011 148 1 AND I AM NOT SAYING THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES 2 VOTE AGAINST THIS. YOU GUYS TOTALLY -- 3 MR. CHAVARIA: I UNDERSTAND. 4 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- NEED TO VOTE THE WAY 5 YOU NEED TO VOTE, BUT I CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIOUS WITH THE 6 COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, ATTITUDE SO RAW AND VIDEO STILL 7 BEING OUT THERE WITH POLICE DEPARTMENT FOLKS WHO ARE 8 TRAINED THROUGH ACADEMIES BEHAVING THE WAY THEY DO IN 9 CERTAIN COMMUNITIES. 10 YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GO BACK TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND 11 SAY, WELL, I STILL APPROVED THIS. THAT IS JUST NOT 12 SOMETHING AT THIS TIME THAT I CAN CONSCIOUSLY DO AND 13 REMAIN A CREDIBLE LEADER IN THE COMMUNITY IN BAYVIEW. 14 SO I HOPE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT. 15 MR. CHAVARIA: I DO. 16 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND I DON'T WANT TO 17 MUCK UP ANYTHING. I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HOLD 18 ANYTHING BACK. BUT I REALLY THINK SOME TYPE OF 19 PRESENTATION FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THEIR ACADEMIES 20 IS REALLY NEEDED BEFORE YOU KNOW -- AND SOME QUESTIONS, 21 YOU KNOW, IN THEIR ACADEMY IS NEEDED BEFORE I CAN APPROVE 22 SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO I REALLY APOLOGIZE. 23 TRUSTEE WONG: OKAY. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE WONG. 25 TRUSTEE WONG: CHRIS, LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE JULY 28, 2011 149 1 BIT OF HISTORY AND, HOPEFULLY, YOU MIGHT RECONSIDER. 2 WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE BOARD, I KEEP SAYING 17 3 YEARS AGO. I FOUND OUT THAT THE POLICE, THE SAN FRANCISCO 4 POLICE DEPARTMENT ACADEMY WAS IN MONTEREY WITH A 5 RELATIONSHIP WITH A COMMUNITY COLLEGE DOWN THERE. 6 I AM TALKING ABOUT ALL GOOD OLE BOYS NETWORK. 7 IT WAS ALL -- AND AT THAT TIME I BELIEVE FRED LAU, MY 8 FRIEND WAS THE CHIEF OF POLICE, THE PERSON BEFORE HIM. I 9 SAID, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE BECAUSE THE RELATIONSHIP 10 SHOULD BE WITH CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO BECAUSE THEY 11 ARE THE SAN FRANCISCO POLICE DEPARTMENT. 12 AND THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE EXPRESSED WERE 13 THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD. WHAT KIND OF DIVERSITY TRAINING 14 WERE THEY GOING TO GET IN MONTEREY, EXPOSURE TO PEOPLE OF 15 COLOR, AND DIFFERENT SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS, ALL OF THAT. SO 16 I DID HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND I 17 SPOKE TO THE PERSON WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE PROGRAM AT 18 THAT TIME, AND WE HAD GOOD DISCUSSION. 19 I WENT TO THE POLICE ACADEMY. I SPOKE TO THEM. 20 AND FINALLY AFTER QUITE A FEW DISCUSSIONS, GOT THEM TO 21 COME OVER TO CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO, WHICH WAS NOT 22 AN EASY THING TO DO BECAUSE IT WAS BASICALLY A CHANGE OF A 23 MIND SET. YOU KNOW, WE ARE SET. WE'VE GOT THIS COMMUNITY 24 COLLEGE OF MONTEREY. IT'S ALWAYS EASIER TO GO WITH THE 25 FLOW. JULY 28, 2011 150 1 I KNEW THAT, NO. 1, WE COULD EXPOSE HIM TO OUR 2 DIVERSITY AT CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO. NO. 2, WE 3 WOULD GET THE FUNDING FOR IT THROUGH FTES. SO WE MADE 4 THAT HAPPEN. 5 AND THOUGH YOUR CONCERNS ARE PERFECTLY 6 LEGITIMATE, I HOPE WE DON'T THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE 7 BATH WATER HERE. 8 I MEAN WHAT I RECOMMEND AND WHAT I SUGGEST THAT 9 YOU DO, TRUSTEE JACKSON, IS TO TALK TO THE PERSON IN 10 CHARGE OF THE PROGRAM. AND SAY, THESE ARE THE CONCERNS OF 11 THE COMMUNITY THAT I COME FROM. SHOW ME WHAT YOU ARE 12 DOING. LET ME TALK TO A CLASS. LET ME PARTICIPATE IN A 13 CLASSROOM, WHICH IS WHAT I DID. I SPOKE TO THEM. I SPOKE 14 TO THE STUDENT POLICE OFFICERS. AND I SPOKE TO THEM ABOUT 15 PEOPLE OF COLOR, ABOUT THE LGBT COMMUNITY, ABOUT ALL OF 16 THAT. 17 SO NOT TO HAVE THEM PART OF OUR PROGRAM, WE LOSE 18 THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO I HOPE YOU WILL RECONSIDER BECAUSE I 19 THINK WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE. THIS 20 NEEDS TO BE REVISITED AGAIN AND AGAIN WITH THE POLICE 21 DEPARTMENT CLEARLY. 22 YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE A CULTURE 23 HERE. A CULTURE THAT PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE US ARE NOT PART 24 OF THE POWER STRUCTURE. 25 SO IF WE CONTINUE WITH THIS PROGRAM, AND I HOPE JULY 28, 2011 151 1 WE DO. WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE 2 MINDS AND TO ENLIGHTEN PEOPLE. 3 AND YOU, PERSONALLY, WILL HAVE A TREMENDOUS 4 OPPORTUNITY TO GO BEFORE A CLASSROOM, TALK TO THE PERSON 5 WHO WAS IN CHARGE. I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS NOW. 6 MR. CHAVARIA: CAPTAIN BARRETT. 7 TRUSTEE WONG: OKAY, TALK TO HIM (SIC) 8 PERSONALLY, WHICH IS WHAT I DID INITIALLY WHAT 15, 16, 17 9 YEARS AGO. SO I HOPE YOU WILL RECONSIDER AND SAY, OKAY, I 10 WILL SUPPORT THIS, BUT UPON THE INSISTENCE THAT THEY COME 11 TO YOU OR YOU GO TO THEM FOR A SPECIAL MEETING TO TALK 12 ABOUT IT AND ACTUALLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING YOUR 13 CONCERNS TO THE POLICE ACADEMY AND TO THE DEPARTMENT. 14 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH, AND JUST TO LET 15 YOU GUYS NOW. I'M ACTUALLY -- I ACTUALLY SIT ON THE 16 INGLESIDE POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO I HAVE, YOU KNOW, 17 TRIED TO WORK WITHIN, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF POLICE 18 STRUCTURES. THIS IS NOT SOME PERSON OUTSIDE SAYING, I 19 HATE THE -- I ACTUALLY SIT ON AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT 20 ACTUALLY POLICES THE VISITACION VALLEY PART OF THE 21 SOUTHEAST, SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 22 AND I AM NOT SAYING I DON'T WANT THIS PROGRAM 23 HERE. I AM JUST SAYING FOR THE MONTH, I WOULD LIKE TO 24 HAVE SOME TIME TO ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO 25 ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THESE SPECIAL VALUES THAT ARE JULY 28, 2011 152 1 NEEDED, ESPECIALLY AT THIS TIME WHERE THE COMMUNITY IS 2 RAW. 3 THERE HAS BEEN NO REAL RESPONSE FROM THE POLICE 4 DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE HAD ONE COMMUNITY MEETING 5 THAT BROKE DOWN. THEY STILL DEDICATE TO HAVE COPS ON THE 6 T TRAIN, WHICH IS UNCONSCIONABLE TO ME. THERE HAS BEEN NO 7 POLICY SHIFT IN THAT CONVERSATION. SO I AM HOPING THAT WE 8 CAN HAVE A REAL DISCUSSION, NOT JUST ABOUT POLICY, BUT 9 REALLY ABOUT HOW WE ARE TRAINING THE OFFICERS. 10 AND SO I WILL DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE SAID, 11 TRUSTEE WONG, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KIND OF DELAY THIS FOR A 12 MONTH AND TO GIVE MYSELF THE TIME TO KIND OF SIT DOWN AND 13 TALK WITH THE HEAD OF THIS PROGRAM AND REALLY KIND OF, YOU 14 KNOW, GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR VALUES, KIND OF LET 15 THEM KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS, YOU KNOW, REALLY TOLD ME 16 AND OTHER LEADERS BECAUSE THEY DON'T TRUST A LOT OF THE 17 LEADERS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE LEADERS HAS SAID, THIS GUY 18 WAS A DIRT BAG. HE DESERVED TO GET SHOT. THEY'VE SAID 19 THIS BEFORE. AND SO THE COMMUNITY IS NOT EVEN TRUSTING 20 THE LEADERSHIP. 21 SO, AS SOMEONE WHO IS IN THAT COMMUNITY, I HAVE 22 TO AT LEAST ASK THESE QUESTIONS BEFORE I APPROVE SOMETHING 23 WITH WHAT LITTLE POWER OR INFLUENCE THAT I DO HAVE. I 24 HAVE TO AT LEAST ASK THESE QUESTIONS AND DELAY THIS. 25 SO I WILL DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE SAID. I DO JULY 28, 2011 153 1 RESPECT EVERYTHING. BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE STOOD UP FOR 2 THESE COMMUNITIES BEFORE, LAWRENCE, I MEAN TRUSTEE WONG. 3 TRUSTEE WONG: IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE 4 TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY. 5 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YES. 6 TRUSTEE WONG: THEY ARE GETTING BEATEN UP BY THE 7 POLICE. AND WE HAD TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS GOING ON AND 8 ALL THAT. 9 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YES. AND I JUST WANT 10 TO DELAY IT FOR A MONTH. AND HOPE -- I DON'T THINK WE ARE 11 GOING TO LOSE IT OVER A MONTH'S DELAY, BUT I WILL -- 12 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I DON'T KNOW. ASK THE 13 CHANCELLOR. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: LET ME JUST SAY SOMETHING. 15 TWO THINGS, ONE, IS THAT THIS DOES BRING IN INCOME THROUGH 16 FTES NET INCOME THROUGH FTES. BUT WE DO HAVE TO PAY THE 17 POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF TEACHING THEIR 18 OFFICERS. I JUST THINK THAT'S WRONG. 19 I AM NOT GOING TO BLOCK IT OR ANYTHING, BUT I 20 THINK THE CITY, THEY SHOULD NOT REQUIRE US TO PAY THEM TO 21 TEACH THEIR OFFICERS. YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING A GREAT 22 SERVICE TO THE CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO AND THE 23 POLICE DEPARTMENT BY PROVIDING THEM WITH TOP-RATE 24 OFFICERS. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY THEM FOR THAT. 25 THAT'S JUST ONE COMMENT, JUST AN EDITORIAL THAT I AM JULY 28, 2011 154 1 THROWING OUT THERE. 2 THE OTHER THING, I JUST WANTED TO PASS ALONG 3 THAT I HAD BEEN CONTACTED BY PEOPLE ALONG THE LINES OF 4 WHAT TRUSTEE JACKSON WAS SAYING, ASKING IF AS A CONDITION 5 OF APPROVING THIS, COULD WE REQUIRE THEM TO INCLUDE 6 SENSITIVITY TRAINING COURSES IN THE CURRICULUM. 7 SO I PASS THAT ALONG TO YOU AND WITH A NOTE THAT 8 PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THIS. PEOPLE ARE WATCHING US. WE ARE 9 NOT DOING THIS IN A VACUUM. SO THAT'S ALL I WILL SAY. 10 THERE WERE SOME HANDS UP. 11 TRUSTEE NGO. 12 TRUSTEE NGO: WHEREVER EVERYONE IS ON THE ISSUE, 13 AS FOR THIS RESOLUTION, PASSING IT TONIGHT DOES NOT 14 FORECLOSE ANY OF THESE THINGS THAT MAY WANT TO BE RAISED. 15 IT'S JUST AN EXTENSION THROUGH AUGUST 31ST. 16 AM I RIGHT, PETER? 17 SO IN FACT, WE COULD PASS IT TONIGHT. EXTEND -- 18 NOT EVERYONE HAS TO PASS IT, BUT THE BOARD CAN PASS IT 19 TONIGHT. IT CAN BE EXTENDED THROUGH AUGUST, AND IT BUYS 20 ADMINISTRATORS AND THE BOARD MEMBERS SOME TIME TO ACTUALLY 21 FORMULATE A BROADER DISCUSSION IF THEY SO CHOOSE. AT THAT 22 MEETING WHERE WE ACTUALLY ENGAGE OR MAY NOT ENGAGE IN A 23 LONGER TERM DEAL. THIS WOULD -- 24 I WOULD URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO ADOPT THIS 25 RESOLUTION BECAUSE IT'S -- IN ESSENCE, IT'S HAPPENING NOW. JULY 28, 2011 155 1 IT'S JULY 1. IT'S THE END OF JULY. IT'S A SIMPLE 2 EXTENSION. AND REGARDLESS OF THE ISSUES SURROUNDING IT, 3 WE NEED TO ADOPT IT TO MAINTAIN THE PROPER LEGAL 4 RELATIONSHIP THAT'S THERE. AND IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER OR 5 WHENEVER, MY COLLEAGUES WANT TO TAKE UP THE ISSUE IN 6 BROADER TERMS, THEY MAY DO SO. 7 BUT VOTING FOR THIS -- VOTING AGAINST THIS -- 8 VOTING FOR THIS TONIGHT DOES NOT FORECLOSE THAT 9 POSSIBILITY, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY TO MY 10 COLLEAGUES. THANK YOU. 11 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I JUST ALSO WANT TO 12 NOTE, SO IT TAKES ALL FOUR OF US TO VOTE TO PASS THIS. I 13 DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK AT 14 THIS TIME I AM PREPARED TO VOTE FOR THIS, NOR IS IT ANY 15 ONE THAT I ANSWER TO BECAUSE I AM JUST NOT HERE BY MYSELF. 16 I ANSWER TO A LOT PEOPLE BACK WHERE I AM FROM. I DON'T 17 THINK I AM PREPARED TO EVEN EXPLAIN THIS VOTE IF I WERE TO 18 MAKE THAT VOTE EVEN GIVEN SOME OF THE STUFF. 19 SO IF WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ON, I AM GOING TO DO 20 EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN TALKED TO AND HAVE THOSE 21 CONVERSATIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY IN ANY KIND 22 OF CONSCIOUSNESS I COULD VOTE RIGHT NOW. 23 MR. CHAVARIA: I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. 24 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I HAVE A QUESTION. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: CHANCELLOR. JULY 28, 2011 156 1 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I DO RESPECT EXACTLY WHAT 2 TRUSTEE JACKSON IS SAYING. 3 THIS IS FOR LANI -- 4 COUNSEL BATTISTE: I'M SORRY. 5 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: THIS IS FOR GENERAL 6 COUNSEL. MY QUESTION FOR YOU REGARDING THIS. 7 COUNSEL BATTISTE: I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION. 8 I WAS ANSWERING -- 9 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I HAVEN'T MADE IT YET, BUT 10 I AM TRYING TO GET YOUR ATTENTION. 11 COUNSEL BATTISTE: SORRY. MAY THIS BE AT YOU, 12 SORRY. 13 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WE'VE HAD A TEN-YEAR 14 CONTRACT OR LONGER WITH THE POLICE ACADEMY. SO WHAT I 15 WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS THAT IF WE DON'T DO AN EXTENSION, 16 WHICH LOOKS LIKE WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THROUGH A BOARD 17 ACTION, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION IN REGARDS TO US CONTINUING 18 OUR CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP SINCE THE ADMINISTRATION HAS 19 STATED ORALLY THAT WE INTEND TO BRING IT IN FRONT OF THE 20 BOARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND THAT BASICALLY WHAT I AM 21 SAYING IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE SAYING, THIS IS A 22 CONTINUATION KIND OF SITUATION EVEN IF IT'S NOT VOTED ON 23 TONIGHT. AND WE HAVE DONE THAT PRIOR TO THIS. WE'VE 24 CONTINUED 30 DAYS WITHOUT COMING TO THE BOARD BEFORE. THE 25 JULY 1ST TO JULY 31ST WAS A CONTINUATION WITHOUT COMING TO JULY 28, 2011 157 1 THE BOARD. 2 AND I AM JUST SAYING, IN YOUR OPINION -- LEGAL 3 OPINION, DO WE HAVE SUFFICIENT AUTHORITY TO DO THAT 4 WITHOUT DOING THIS RESOLUTION TONIGHT? 5 COUNSEL BATTISTE: WITHOUT COMING TO THE BOARD 6 THAT IS? I AM HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU BECAUSE -- 7 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I AM HAVING A HARD TIME 8 SPEAKING. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT 10 THIS AGREEMENT CAN STILL BE BINDING WITHOUT BOARD ACTION 11 NECESSARILY TODAY, TONIGHT? 12 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: GIVEN THE LONG HISTORY OF 13 THE MOU'S IN THE PAST -- BASICALLY THE ADMINISTRATION HAS 14 REPRESENTED THAT WE THINK THAT THE BOARD WILL PROBABLY 15 WANT TO APPROVE AN MOU, PARTICULARLY ONE THAT HAS BEEN 16 ONGOING FOR A DECADE OR MORE. 17 NOW WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT EXTENDING FOR 30 18 DAYS FROM JULY 1 TO JULY 31ST WITHOUT A BOARD ACTION, 19 WHICH WE DID SIGN OFF WITH PARTIES. 20 NOW MY QUESTION IS COULD WE DO THIS IN EFFECT 21 AGAIN FOR THIS AUGUST PERIOD WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH 22 A BOARD RESOLUTION. 23 COUNSEL BATTISTE: PROBABLY. 24 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: GIVEN THAT WE -- 25 TRUSTEE NGO: CHANCELLOR. JULY 28, 2011 158 1 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: YES. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: I ACTUALLY THINK THAT IF THE 3 AGREEMENT -- YOU DON'T HAVE THE UNDERLYING AGREEMENT HERE, 4 SO I CAN'T READ IT. 5 COUNSEL BATTISTE: NO. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: BUT I IMAGINE THERE IS SOME SORT 7 OF ROLLOVER. THERE'S A KIND OF -- BECAUSE IT'S A RENTAL 8 AGREEMENT, RIGHT. 9 COUNSEL BATTISTE: NO. 10 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: IT'S A MEMORANDUM OF 11 UNDERSTANDING. 12 COUNSEL BATTISTE: RIGHT. 13 TRUSTEE NGO: THAT'S NOT -- 14 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: IT'S A MEMORANDUM OF 15 UNDERSTANDING THAT OUTLINES THE DIFFERENT OBLIGATIONS OF 16 THE TWO PARTIES. 17 TRUSTEE NGO: OH, I SEE. I SEE. 18 COUNSEL BATTISTE: RIGHT. 19 TRUSTEE NGO: SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT 20 THAT CUSTOM AND PRACTICE BETWEEN THE COLLEGE AND THE 21 POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN CONTINUE DE FACTO WITHOUT AN ACTUAL 22 AGREEMENT IN PLACE? 23 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: I THINK THE CHANCELLOR IS 24 SAYING, WE HAVE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT. AND THE QUESTION AS 25 I INTERPRET IT IS DOES THE CEO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO A JULY 28, 2011 159 1 SHORT-TERM EXTENSION OF THAT AGREEMENT PENDING BOARD 2 APPROVAL OF THE NEW AGREEMENT? 3 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: RIGHT. 4 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: POINT OF INFORMATION 5 THROUGH THE CHAIR. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO INQUIRE. 6 IN TERMS OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, IN TERMS OF 7 VOTING, IF IT'S NOT FIDUCIARY, CAN WE -- IS IT -- AS LONG 8 AS THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT, THEN THE 9 RESOLUTION COULD BE PASSED? 10 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IT IS FIDUCIARY TO THIS 11 BOARD. 12 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YOU HAVE A -- 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IT IS FIDUCIARY. 14 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: THIS IS FIDUCIARY? 15 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: YES. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: BECAUSE IT COSTS US. WE HAVE 17 TO PAY AN AMOUNT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 18 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: IS IT NOTED ON THE 19 RESOLUTION? 20 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: AND THE REASON I -- IF I 21 COULD JUST COMPLETE WHY I AM SAYING THIS IS BECAUSE THERE 22 IS A CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF THE ADMINISTRATION OF 23 JUSTICE CLASSES THAT WE HAVE, AND THE STUDENTS ARE ALREADY 24 ENROLLED IN THOSE CLASSES -- 25 COUNSEL BATTISTE: RIGHT. JULY 28, 2011 160 1 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: -- OR WILL BE ENROLLED IN 2 THOSE CLASSES IN AUGUST. AND THE CONCERN IS DO WE HAVE 3 WITHOUT SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT, ADMINISTRATIVE AGREEMENT 4 OR WITH THE BOARD, CAN THOSE CLASSES EVEN GO FORWARD WOULD 5 BE A QUESTION? 6 I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I 7 AM JUST SAYING THAT IS A QUESTION. 8 COUNSEL BATTISTE: WELL, TECHNICALLY THE 9 AGREEMENT EXPIRED ON JUNE 30TH, BUT WE DO HAVE AN 10 AGREEMENT IN PLACE THAT EXTENDS IT TO JULY 31ST. 11 I MEAN NOT EVERYONE SIGNED OFF ON, YOU KNOW, IT 12 DOESN'T COST ANY MONEY TO EXTEND IT TO JULY 31ST. AND 13 CERTAINLY YOU HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT SINCE THERE'S NO 14 REAL MONEY BEING EXCHANGED. 15 I WOULD THINK THAT IF YOU NEEDED TO EXTEND THE 16 AGREEMENT TO AUGUST 31ST AND, OF COURSE, THIS IS JUST MY 17 BEST KNEE-JERK THAT YOU PROBABLY GO FORWARD AND DO THAT 18 UNTIL AN AGREEMENT CAN BE WORKED OUT, A FORMAL WRITTEN 19 AGREEMENT, A NEW CONTRACT CAN BE WORKED OUT BETWEEN THE 20 COLLEGE AND THE SAN FRANCISCO POLICE DEPARTMENT. I MEAN 21 BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY WHAT THIS IS ASKING FOR. 22 WE JUST BROUGHT IT TO THE BOARD TO GET THE 23 BOARD'S APPROVAL TO JUST CONTINUE, ESSENTIALLY CONTINUE 24 NEGOTIATIONS. BUT SINCE THERE IS REALLY NO MONEY INVOLVED 25 WITH CONTINUING THE CONTRACT AND IT DOESN'T EXCEED YOUR JULY 28, 2011 161 1 AUTHORITY AS THE CHANCELLOR, I WOULD THINK THAT -- 2 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: POINT OF INFORMATION. 3 DO WE REALLY WANT TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD OF 4 SAYING, EVEN THOUGH THE BOARD IS NOT GOING TO APPROVE 5 SOMETHING, THAT THE CHANCELLOR ULTIMATE -- I MEAN WE ARE 6 PASSING ALL THESE POLICY RESOLUTIONS SAYING, WE WANT A 7 DEPARTURE FROM THE PAST AND THAT, YOU KNOW, AND ALL OF A 8 SUDDEN HERE WE ARE WE'RE LEGALLY DISCUSSING -- I'VE ONLY 9 ASKED FOR A MONTH TO KIND OF SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH FOLKS 10 BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY -- 11 I MEAN SEEING A YOU TUBE OF SOMEBODY WHO LOOKS 12 LIKE ME GET SHOT, BLEED TO DEATH WITH FIVE GUNS DRAWN TO 13 HIM, IT'S STILL RAW IN THIS COMMUNITY. I'VE ASKED FOR 14 LITERALLY A MONTH TO KIND OF SIT DOWN, TALK WITH FOLKS, 15 TALK WITH FACULTY, MAYBE EVEN SPEAK TO SOME OF THE, YOU 16 KNOW, PAST STUDENTS AND SAY, HEY, THINGS ARE SOME OF THE 17 THINGS THAT WE NEED FROM OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE ARE 18 FINDING WAYS TO GET AROUND IT. 19 YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A STUDENT TRUSTEE SAY, I'VE 20 NEVER SEEN A STUDENT TRUSTEE SAY, HOW DO YOU GET AROUND 21 VOTING IF THE MEMBERS ARE THERE? WE'VE HAD A STUDENT 22 TRUSTEE TALK ABOUT THAT. WE'VE SAID THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU 23 PUT SOMETHING HERE FOR US TO VOTE ON, YOU STILL HAVE THE 24 AUTHORITY TO DO IT ANYWAY. 25 THEN WHY DO I COME TO BOARD MEETINGS IF YOU JULY 28, 2011 162 1 COULD VOTE -- IF YOU COULD JUST DO SOMETHING. IF YOU 2 COULD JUST DO SOMETHING, DON'T PUT IT IN FRONT OF US. BUT 3 IF YOU PUT IT IN FRONT OF US AS AN MOU TO EXTEND 4 SOMETHING, I'VE SIMPLY ASKED FOR A MONTH. IF YOU ARE 5 GOING TO DO A NEW AGREEMENT ANYWAY, THEN WE WILL HAVE THAT 6 CONVERSATION WHEN THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENS. 7 I REALLY SPOKE RESPECTFULLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE. 8 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY RAW IN THIS COMMUNITY. 9 IT'S PRETTY UNFORTUNATE THAT THERE'S ONLY FOUR PEOPLE 10 HERE. IF THERE WAS FIVE, IT WOULD BE FOUR TO ONE. I HAVE 11 NOT TRIED TO HOLD THIS BACK. IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE FOUR 12 PEOPLE HERE. 13 I AM SIMPLY SAYING, THERE'S CONVERSATIONS THAT 14 NEED TO BE HAD IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAINING 15 OF NEW OFFICERS, WHICH ARE PRIMARILY GOING TO COME INTO MY 16 NEIGHBORHOOD. LET'S NOT JOKE AROUND WHERE THOSE OFFICERS 17 ARE GOING TO -- THE MAJORITY OF THOSE OFFICERS ARE GOING 18 TO BE. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAIGHT. THEY ARE GOING TO 19 MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: LET ME PROPOSE SOMETHING -- 21 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: ALL I AM SAYING IS GIVE 22 ME A MONTH TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND ACTUALLY TALK TO MY 23 COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: LET ME PROPOSE SOMETHING. 25 WHEN DO WE NEED -- WHEN DO WE NEED AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE? JULY 28, 2011 163 1 MR. CHAVARIA: CLASSES ARE ONGOING RIGHT NOW. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: CLASSES ARE HAPPENING NOW. 3 MR. CHAVARIA: YES. THEY'VE HAPPENED THROUGH 4 THE MONTH OF JULY, AND THEY BEGIN ON AUGUST THE 1ST. 5 THERE WILL BE TEN CLASSES. AND THAT'S THE CONTINUOUS 6 PROFESSIONAL TRAINING. AND THEN THERE WILL BE AN ACADEMY 7 CLASS THAT WILL BE STARTING SHORTLY. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: BECAUSE WHAT I WAS GOING TO 9 SUGGEST DEPENDING ON THE TIMING IS COULD WE HAVE A SPECIAL 10 MEETING IF TRUSTEE JACKSON DOESN'T OBJECT TOO MUCH? 11 COULD WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING? COULD WE 12 CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO A SPECIAL MEETING, SPECIFICALLY FOR 13 THIS PURPOSE WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE MORE TRUSTEES HERE AND 14 WOULD TRUSTEE JACKSON FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? WOULD 15 THAT HELP US IN ANYWAY? 16 SO I JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE JUST TRYING TO 17 FIND A WAY FORWARD. 18 COUNSEL. 19 COUNSEL BATTISTE: MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WANTED 20 TO MENTION SINCE I WAS SOMEWHAT INVOLVED IN TRYING TO HELP 21 RENEGOTIATE A NEW CONTRACT WITH THE -- I WAS INVOLVED IN 22 THE DRAFTING, NOT ANY OF THE SUBSTANTIVE NEGOTIATIONS. 23 I BELIEVE THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO ALLOW THE 24 ADMINISTRATION TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS BETWEEN THE COLLEGE 25 AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO CERTAINLY THIS WOULD AFFORD JULY 28, 2011 164 1 THE TIME TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT TRUSTEE JACKSON HAS. 2 IT'S JUST BASICALLY BUYING US MORE TIME. 3 WE HAVE NOT WORKED OUT EVERY DETAIL OF THE NEW 4 AGREEMENT. WE STILL NEED TO DO THAT. THERE ARE SOME 5 THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T QUITE COME TO AGREEMENT ON. AND 6 CERTAINLY, THIS WOULD AFFORD THE TIME TO CERTAINLY ADDRESS 7 TRUSTEES JACKSON'S CONCERNS AND TO MAYBE ANSWER SOME OF 8 THE QUESTIONS. 9 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: IT ALSO MEANS BUSINESS 10 CONTINUES AS USUAL. AND AT SOME POINT, THE SFPD HAS TO 11 UNDERSTAND THAT ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. AND SO FAR 12 THERE HAS BEEN NO REAL CONSEQUENCES. AND EVEN THOUGH THIS 13 IS A VERY SMALL MATTER, THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AT SOME 14 POINT SOMEONE IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING IN SOME LEGISLATIVE 15 BODY TO SAY THAT THAT WAS KIND OF WRONG. 16 AND YOU CAN CONTINUE IT AND DO SOMETHING ELSE, 17 BUT AT LEAST TO SAY, HEY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO RUBBER STAMP 18 THIS CONTINUANCE, AND THAT THERE'S A REAL POSSIBILITY THAT 19 IF YOU DON'T CHANGE YOUR BEHAVIORS IN CERTAIN PEOPLE'S 20 COMMUNITY, THAT THERE'S A GOOD POSSIBILITY YOU WON'T BE 21 INVITED BACK TO THIS CAMPUS. I THINK THAT THAT MESSAGE 22 NEEDS TO BE SENT BECAUSE IT SURE ISN'T BEING SENT BY ANY 23 OF OUR CITY LEADERS AT THIS POINT. AND ALL I AM SAYING IS 24 THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. 25 AND, YEAH, TO SAY CITY COLLEGE BECAUSE OF JULY 28, 2011 165 1 INCIDENTS IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES IS REALLY CONSIDERING THE 2 FACT OF NOT HAVING THEM AT OUR CAMPUS ANYMORE, I THINK 3 THAT DOES SEND A MESSAGE THAT SOME PEOPLE IN COMMUNITIES 4 ARE REALLY KIND OF LOOKING FOR THEM TO STEP UP AND DO 5 SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 6 AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BEING AN 7 AFRICAN-AMERICAN MALE BECAUSE WE HAVE TALKED IDENTITY IN 8 THIS MEETING BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IDENTITY. BEING 9 THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN MALE ELECTED IN THIS ENTIRE CITY, LET 10 ALONE ON THIS BOARD, IS REALLY DAUNTING. 11 WHEN YOU SEE SOMEONE WHO LOOKS DIRECTLY LIKE 12 YOU, WHO COULD BE YOU, BLEED TO DEATH ON 3RD AND PALOU, 13 THAT IS VERY DAUNTING. AND TO SEE NO POLICY SHIFT BY AN 14 ORGANIZATION THAT WE ARE THEN GOING TO INVITE BACK TO OUR 15 CAMPUS IS ALSO DAUNTING. 16 THE FTE'S THAT WE GET FROM THE POLICE ACADEMY, 17 YOU KNOW, WE WILL MAKE THOSE UP SOMEWHERE. I MEAN WITH 18 THE DEMAND FOR CLASSES THE WAY THAT IT IS. WE WILL MAKE 19 THOSE FTES UP. WE WILL MAKE THOSE UP. I AM NOT CONCERNED 20 ABOUT THE FTES ABOUT THAT. I AM CONCERNED THAT, A, WE 21 PAID THEM FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF TEACHING THEM. 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. 23 AND SECOND, I AM CONCERNED THAT WE ARE NOT 24 SENDING ANY MESSAGE THAT PERSON THAT THEY SHOT WAS GOING 25 TO ATTEND A COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN SEATTLE. HE WAS GOING TO JULY 28, 2011 166 1 ATTEND SEATTLE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. HE WAS GOING TO BE A 2 COMMUNITY COLLEGE STUDENT. THAT CAN BE ANY OF OUR 3 STUDENTS THAT ATTEND THERE, AND WE ARE NOT REALLY DOING 4 ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND I AM CERTAINLY NOT ONE TO DO IT. 5 I AM NOT HOLDING UP A VOTE. I AM JUST 6 EXERCISING MY RIGHT NOT TO APPROVE THIS. AND IF YOU GUYS 7 WANT TO DO IT ANYWAY, THAT'S FINE. BUT THAT JUST MEANS WE 8 SHOULDN'T -- THE BOARD SHOULDN'T BE HERE BECAUSE WE ARE 9 JUST VOTING FOR NOTHING. 10 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I NEED TO RESPOND. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE NGO FIRST AND THEN -- 12 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH, JUST REALLY QUICKLY. I 13 DON'T -- I ACTUALLY DO WANT TO COMMEND THE ADMINISTRATION 14 BRINGING IT BEFORE THE BOARD. IT'S SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T 15 HAVE TO DO, SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS COUNTER TO OUR 16 EFFORTS TO MAKE THE COLLEGE MORE ACCOUNTABLE, SO I COMMEND 17 THE ADMINISTRATION FOR DOING THAT. 18 THE ISSUE HERE IS WE HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT WE 19 BELIEVE THAT NEEDS TO BE PASSED TODAY IN ORDER FOR US TO 20 CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE. 21 NOW THERE'S A DISPUTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE 22 BOARD ACTUALLY NEEDS TO ACTUALLY AUTHORIZE IT OR WHETHER 23 THE CHANCELLOR HAS IT IN HIS OR HER DISCRETION -- IN HIS 24 DISCRETION IN THIS CASE TO DO THAT. 25 AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THE BOARD PASSED A JULY 28, 2011 167 1 BUDGET IN JUNE THAT AUTHORIZED CLASSES TO BE CONDUCTED 2 THAT INCLUDES THESE CLASSES. THAT'S THE INSTRUCTIONAL 3 PART AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND. 4 THE RENTAL AGREEMENT IN SOME CONTOURS OF THE 5 INSTRUCTIONAL PIECE IS BOUND BY THIS AGREEMENT WHICH, IT 6 LOOKS LIKE IT IS ALREADY DEFUNCT. THE TIME PERIOD IS 7 JUNE 30TH. 8 YOU COULD ARGUE THAT FOR THIS PROGRAM THAT IT'S 9 WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OR DISCRETION OF THE CHANCELLOR, I 10 DON'T KNOW. THAT'S FINE. BUT IT IS BEFORE THE BOARD. IF 11 IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS, IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS. I SUGGEST 12 WE JUST PUT IT TO A VOTE OR HAVE IT WITHDRAWN AND MOVE ON. 13 I DON'T THINK THERE -- LOOK THERE'S A LOT WE 14 COULD LITIGATE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY THINGS HAPPENED 15 AND ALL THOSE CONCERNS MAY BE VALID, BUT TONIGHT WHAT'S 16 BEFORE US IS TO GET A LEASE OR STRUCTURAL AGREEMENT 17 NEGOTIATION EXTENDED, NOT THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT. 18 COUNSEL BATTISTE: RIGHT. 19 TRUSTEE NGO: AND IF IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS THE 20 BOARD, THEN LET'S JUST DEAL WITH IT. THAT'S THE BOARD'S 21 PREROGATIVE. 22 AND I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION AND MOVE 23 ON AND KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS IT OR 24 NOT. AND IF IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS, THEN THOSE ARE THE 25 CONSEQUENCES, TRUSTEE JACKSON, THAT YOU THINK THAT SHOULD JULY 28, 2011 168 1 BE DEALT TO AS A RESULT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED. 2 SO I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION IF THE 3 CHANCELLOR -- ASSUMING THE CHANCELLOR HAS NOTHING ELSE TO 4 SAY ABOUT IT. 5 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: HE DOES, OKAY. SO THAT IS MY 7 RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD THAT WE ACTUALLY MOVE ON IT 8 AND GET ON WITH THE DEBATE. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: CHANCELLOR, PLEASE. 10 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: OKAY, SO WE DID BRING IT IN 11 FRONT OF THE BOARD. MY QUESTIONS WERE IN REGARDS TO WHAT 12 AUTHORITY DID WE HAVE TO DO IT? 13 I DO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION -- I MEAN 14 UNDERSTAND BEING A BLACK MALE AS WELL. I HAVE BEEN 15 ARRESTED. I HAVE BEEN BEATEN BY THE POLICE. I KNOW -- I 16 DON'T HAVE A WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEBODY HITTING 17 ME IN THE HEAD AND ARRESTING ME ON MANY OCCASIONS. SO I 18 UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING. I KNOW THAT MALES, 19 PARTICULARLY BLACK MALES, ARE ENDANGERED SPECIES. PEOPLE 20 CAN SHOOT THEM WITH IMPUNITY AND WE BOTH KNOW THAT. SO I 21 DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM. 22 LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I THINK IS A SIMPLE 23 SOLUTION SINCE, OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T HAVE THE VOTES TO DO 24 THIS RESOLUTION. AND WE DO NEED TO FOLLOW ALL THE THINGS 25 THAT TRUSTEE WONG HAS SUGGESTED AS WELL AS OTHERS. JULY 28, 2011 169 1 BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WE COULD EAT THE FTES, 2 THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. THAT WE OFFER THE CLASSES. I THINK 3 THE ONLY RESTRICTION WOULD BE IS THAT WE DON'T SEND THESE 4 FTES UP TO THE STATE AND ASK FOR THEM TO REIMBURSE. 5 UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE IN A SITUATION THIS YEAR 6 THAT WE COULD PROBABLY EAT WITHOUT TOO MUCH TROUBLE. SO I 7 DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF THAT 8 SITUATION. THE CLASSES COULD STILL BE OFFERED. THE 9 CLASSES COULD STILL GO ON, BUT WE CAN'T CLAIM IT FOR 10 APPORTIONMENT. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: HOW DOES THAT HELP? 12 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IT DOESN'T HELP. I AM JUST 13 TELLING YOU THAT -- 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THAT'S WORSE. 15 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WELL, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN 16 ANYWAY, UNLESS -- THE ONLY OPTIONS THAT I HAVE IS LET THE 17 CLASSES GO ON AND NOT CLAIM THE FTES OR SHUT DOWN THE 18 CLASSES COMPLETELY AND THEN DEAL WITH THE STUDENTS NOT 19 HAVING THE CLASSES BECAUSE THAT'S THE CIRCUMSTANCES. 20 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I SAY, SHUT THEM DOWN. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE WONG. 22 TRUSTEE WONG: I THINK THAT WE HEARD FROM 23 COUNSEL THAT THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR THE CHANCELLOR TO 24 CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS. WE HEARD THAT FROM OUR LEGAL 25 COUNSEL. SO THEREFORE, WHAT -- WHY DO WE NEED THIS JULY 28, 2011 170 1 RESOLUTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME? 2 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: TO PURSUE GOING INTO A 3 MASTER AGREEMENT -- 4 TRUSTEE WONG: OKAY. 5 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: -- FOR THREE YEARS. AND I 6 DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO INTO A MASTERS AGREEMENT FOR 7 THREE YEARS UNTIL WE GET THE CONCERNS ADDRESSED THAT -- 8 TRUSTEE WONG: OKAY. WELL, WAIT A MINUTE -- 9 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- TRUSTEE JACKSON 10 TALKED ABOUT. 11 TRUSTEE WONG: -- LET ME FINISH. 12 THEREFORE, IF LEGAL COUNSEL HAS ALREADY SAID 13 THAT THE CHANCELLOR CAN CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS, EXACTLY 14 WHAT YOU JUST SAID WITHOUT THIS RESOLUTION, THEN WE DON'T 15 NEED THIS RESOLUTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME. THE 16 CHANCELLOR CAN CONTINUE THE DISCUSSIONS AND CONTINUE IN 17 TERMS OF WHAT YOU JUST STATED. 18 TRUSTEE JACKSON CAN THEN HAVE THE TIME TO GO 19 INTO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE POLICE ACADEMY, THE SUPERVISOR 20 OF THE POLICE ACADEMY, THE COMMUNITY, ALL OF THAT. AND IF 21 WE DON'T NEED THIS RESOLUTION -- BECAUSE IF WE VOTE ON 22 THIS RESOLUTION AND IT FAILS, BASICALLY IT FORECLOSES THE 23 CHANCELLOR FROM DOING ANYTHING ELSE. HE CANNOT PURSUE IT. 24 AND THEREFORE, PERHAPS IT WOULD BE BETTER JUST TO WITHDRAW 25 THIS RESOLUTION. JULY 28, 2011 171 1 CHANCELLOR, YOU HAVE PRECEDENT. YOU GOT LEGAL 2 COUNSEL TO ADVICE SAYING, YES, YOU CAN CONTINUE. THIS IS 3 NOT VOTED UPON BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE VOTES TONIGHT. 4 TRUSTEE JACKSON, YOU CAN SET UP YOUR MEETINGS 5 WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF THE POLICE ACADEMY LIKE I DID. I 6 WENT IN THERE. I SPOKE TO THE POLICE OFFICERS. I TALKED 7 ABOUT DIVERSITY. AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS ABOUT THE LGBT 8 COMMUNITY, WHICH I TALKED ABOUT, AND I REPRESENTED. AND 9 WE HAD THESE LONG DISCUSSIONS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT 10 CURRICULUM AND ALL OF THAT STUFF, SO CAN WE DO THAT. IS 11 THAT AN OPTION TO JUST WITHDRAW THIS RESOLUTION? 12 CHANCELLOR, YOU CONTINUE THE DISCUSSIONS AS YOU 13 DID THE LAST MONTH, DO IT FOR ANOTHER MONTH. GIVE TRUSTEE 14 JACKSON THE TIME TO DO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO AND THEN WE SEE 15 WHERE WE ARE AT A MONTH FROM NOW. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MAY I CHIME IN JUST TO 17 CLARIFY? 18 WHAT TRUSTEE WONG IS SUGGESTING IS NOT TO DO 19 WHAT THE RESOLUTION SAYS. 20 TRUSTEE WONG: IT'S JUST TO WITHDRAW IT. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT, BECAUSE THE RESOLUTION 22 AUTHORIZES THE ADMINISTRATION TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS. 23 AND TRUSTEE WONG IS NOT SAYING THAT -- 24 TRUSTEE WONG: I'M SAYING, CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- NEGOTIATIONS WOULD JULY 28, 2011 172 1 CONTINUE. 2 TRUSTEE WONG: YES. 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO 4 EXECUTE ANY DOCUMENTS. 5 TRUSTEE WONG: SO WE CAN JUST WITHDRAW THIS, AND 6 THERE IS NO VOTE ON THIS. 7 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS 8 TO THE CLASSES? 9 TRUSTEE WONG: IT CONTINUES. 10 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: THE CLASSES HAVE BEEN 11 SCHEDULED AND INSTRUCTORS HAVE BEEN HIRED. AND WHAT I AM 12 SAYING IN EFFECT IS THAT WE ARE SAYING WE ARE NOT IN A 13 POSITION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT ANY FTES FROM THOSE 14 CLASSES. 15 I WOULD COMMUNICATE TO THE POLICE ACADEMY THAT 16 WE ARE NOT COLLECTING ANY FTES FOR IT. WE DON'T WANT TO 17 PAY YOU ANYTHING FOR IT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT COLLECTING 18 ANYTHING FOR IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A MASTERS AGREEMENT. 19 TRUSTEE WONG: UNTIL YOU TALK TO THEM. 20 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I GUESS IF WE WANT TO 21 BE CONSISTENT AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT INDIRECT COSTS, I 22 MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE NOT PULLING DOWN AN FTE, BUT 23 THEN WE HAVE FOLKS STILL TEACHING A CLASS. I MEAN THAT'S 24 A HECK OF AN INDIRECT COSTS. I AM JUST TRYING TO BE 25 CONSISTENT. JULY 28, 2011 173 1 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: NO, WE ARE PAYING -- 2 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING 3 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT THEN WE ARE NOT RECOUPING 4 FTE'S. THAT MEANS WE ARE JUST PAYING THE POLICE 5 DEPARTMENT. AND SO MY FUNCTION IS -- 6 MR. CHAVARIA: WE DON'T PAY THEM FOR THEIR 7 INSTRUCTORS. 8 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WE DON'T -- THE WAY IT'S 9 SET UP IS THAT THEY HAVE -- YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE 10 INSTRUCTIONAL -- 11 I MEAN THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IF WE DON'T -- 12 THEY ARE OFFERING THE CLASSES AT THEIR ACADEMY, THE 13 APPROVED COURSES FROM THE DISTRICT. THE INDIVIDUALS -- WE 14 HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE TEACHING 15 A CLASS. WE ARE THE UMBRELLA. WE RECEIVE THE FTES, AND 16 WE PAY THEM SO MUCH FOR IT. 17 IF WE CUT THAT OFF AND SAY, OKAY, THE CLASSES 18 ARE GOING ON. YOU ARE TEACHING THOSE CLASSES, BUT WE ARE 19 NOT COLLECTING ANY FTES, AND WE ARE NOT GIVING YOU ANY 20 MONEY FOR THAT. THEN THERE'S NO OTHER FIDUCIARY 21 CONNECTION WITH US. THERE'S NO OTHER MONETARY THING 22 BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN OUR BUILDINGS. IT'S NOWHERE CLOSE TO 23 US. IT'S OUT IN THE POLICE ACADEMY. 24 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I WOULD PREFER IT BE 25 SHUT DOWN, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE POWER. CLEARLY, YOU JULY 28, 2011 174 1 GUYS -- 2 TRUSTEE WONG: CAN WE JUST TABLE THIS? 3 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH, YOU GUYS CAN JUST 4 TABLE IT. 5 TRUSTEE WONG: CAN WE TABLE THIS? 6 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I CAN'T STOP THAT. 7 TRUSTEE WONG: CAN WE TABLE THIS? 8 TRUSTEE NGO: I WOULD PREFER THAT WE KEEP THE 9 FTES. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 11 TRUSTEE NGO: I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH US 12 CONTINUING IT AS IT IS. LOOK, IF IT HAS TO GO FOR VOTE, 13 LET'S GO FOR A VOTE. 14 IN MY MIND THESE THINGS -- IF A MEMBER OF THE 15 BOARD WANTS TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT THIS AND PUSH POLICY 16 IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION, HE OR SHE MAY. BUT IN MY MIND, 17 THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO. I DON'T THINK THEY ARE 18 EITHER/OR PROPOSITIONS. 19 LIKE I SAID IN MY FIRST STATEMENT, PASSING THIS 20 DOES NOT FORECLOSE ANYTHING TRUSTEE JACKSON WANTS TO DO 21 WITH THIS PROGRAM. IT DOES AT ALL. HE CAN STILL RAISE 22 THESE ISSUES LATER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A MASTER 23 AGREEMENT YET. AND I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE "NO" OR ASK FOR 24 THIS STUFF TO BE WITHDRAWN AND LOSE FTES BECAUSE OF THAT. 25 IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO. JULY 28, 2011 175 1 IF WE VOTE FOR THIS TONIGHT, IT DOESN'T MEAN 2 THAT TRUSTEE JACKSON -- AND ANYTHING TRUSTEE WONG 3 SUGGESTED CANNOT BE DONE. IN FACT, WE CAN VOTE ON THIS 4 TONIGHT. THERE IS NO MASTER AGREEMENT AT ALL STILL, OKAY. 5 AND BEFORE ONE ACTUALLY GETS IMPLEMENTED OR 6 AGREED TO, TRUSTEE JACKSON CAN GO AHEAD ASK AND MAKE THOSE 7 DEMANDS AND PUSH FOR THOSE POLICY CHANGES IN THE MEANTIME. 8 IT'S NOT A MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE ISSUE. AND I AM NOT GOING 9 TO AGREE TO LOSE FTES BECAUSE OF THIS BECAUSE IT JUST 10 DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 11 LOGICALLY, THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO 12 VOTE -- NOT VOTE FOR THIS, LOSE FTES WHEN THE VERY SAME 13 ISSUE THAT CAN BE RAISED, CAN BE RAISED ANYWAY. THERE IS 14 NO MASTER AGREEMENT IN PLACE. THERE WILL NOT BE A MASTER 15 AGREEMENT IN PLACE TONIGHT IF YOU VOTE, "YES." AS I SAID 16 IN MY FIRST REMARKS ABOUT THIS RESOLUTION. 17 I WOULD URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO VOTE WITH ME. TO 18 KEEP THE FTES AND ALLOW TRUSTEE JACKSON AND TRUSTEE WONG, 19 IF IT'S THAT'S THE CASE, TO GO AHEAD AND EXPRESS THOSE 20 CONCERNS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT WE CANNOT LOSE 21 FTES OVER THIS. I WILL NOT LOSE THAT REVENUE TO THIS 22 COLLEGE THAT SERVES THESE STUDENTS. 23 AGAIN, THEY ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE 24 QUESTIONS, AND I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT THEY ARE. THEY ARE 25 JUST NOT. IT'S ABSURD. JULY 28, 2011 176 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE WONG. 2 TRUSTEE WONG: I MOVE TO TABLE THIS TO NEXT 3 MONTH'S MEETING. 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IS THERE A SECOND TO TABLE? 5 TRUSTEE WONG: YOU JUST PASS THE GAVEL. 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I WILL PASS THE GAVEL TO YOU). 7 (PRESIDENT RIZZO PASSES THE GAVEL TO VICE 8 PRESIDENT TRUSTEE JACKSON.) 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I WILL SECOND. 10 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: OKAY. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: DO YOU WANT TO CALL THAT VOTE 12 FOR THAT? 13 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF 14 TABLING OF THIS MOTION, SIGNIFY YOUR -- ACTUALLY, SORRY. 15 STUDENT TRUSTEE. 16 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): NAY. 17 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF 18 TABLING THIS RESOLUTION, SIGNIFY YOUR VOTE BY SAYING 19 "AYE". 20 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 21 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 22 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: NO. 23 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 24 TRUSTEE NGO: NO. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. JULY 28, 2011 177 1 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 2 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 3 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 4 TRUSTEE NGO: NO. 5 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I'M OPPOSED AS WELL. 6 (VICE PRESIDENT TRUSTEE JACKSON PASSES THE GAVEL 7 BACK TO PRESIDENT RIZZO.) 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 9 SO IT FAILS. 10 SO WHAT -- 11 TRUSTEE NGO: CALL THE QUESTION. 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: CAN I ASK -- 13 COUNSEL BATTISTE: SO BEFORE YOU -- 14 TRUSTEE NGO: CALL THE QUESTION. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YOU ARE CALLING THE QUESTION. 16 OKAY, THAT'S A MOTION. 17 IS THERE A SECOND -- 18 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: SECOND. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- TO CALL THE QUESTION? 20 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: SECOND. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THERE'S A SECOND TO CALL THE 22 QUESTION. 23 SOMEONE REMIND US, IS THIS A MAJORITY VOTE OR -- 24 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YOU HAVE TO VOTE UNANIMOUSLY 25 IN HERE. JULY 28, 2011 178 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE HAVE TO VOTE UNANIMOUSLY -- 2 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YOU HAVE A QUORUM. YOU HAVE 3 FOUR. 4 TRUSTEE NGO: TO CALL THE QUESTION. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- TO CALL THE QUESTION. SO 6 IT HAS TO BE UNANIMOUS TO CALL THE QUESTION. 7 COUNSEL BATTISTE: ACTUALLY, NO, A MAJORITY. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: NO? 9 COUNSEL BATTISTE: TO CALL A QUESTION, A 10 MAJORITY. 11 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: WHAT SHE IS SAYING THE 12 VOTES -- 13 COUNSEL BATTISTE: BUT I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO 14 VOTE TO CALL THE QUESTION. IF SOMEBODY -- 15 TRUSTEE NGO: YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE DO. 16 TRUSTEE WONG: AND IF YOU DON'T CALL THE 17 QUESTION, THERE'S NO VOTE THIS JUST -- 18 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO I CAN BE CLEAR, WHEN 19 THIS VOTE FAILS, WHAT HAPPENS? 20 I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR -- I WANT TO HEAR THE 21 CHANCELLOR. 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THE MOTIONER COULD -- THE 23 MOVER COULD WITHDRAW THE MOTION. THAT'S AN OPTION. OR 24 THE SECONDER COULD WITHDRAW THE MOTION. I DON'T REMEMBER 25 WHO MOVED AND SECONDED IT. JULY 28, 2011 179 1 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I SECONDED IT. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YOU SECONDED IT. 3 COUNSEL BATTISTE: IT WAS TRUSTEE NGO WHO MOVED 4 IT, AND TRUSTEE JACKSON WHO SECONDED IT. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AND THAT TAKES IT OFF THE 6 TABLE. I AM JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS. 7 TRUSTEE NGO: CHANCELLOR, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO 8 WITHDRAW THE MOTION? 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WHAT'S THAT? 10 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IT WOULD HELP. 11 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY, I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION. 12 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: DO I HAVE TO AGREE TO 13 THAT THEN? 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: FRED, PARLIAMENTARIAN. 15 MR. TETI: YES. 16 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: IS CALLING THE QUESTION 17 DEBATABLE? 18 PRESIDENT RIZZO: NO, IT'S NOT DEBATABLE. 19 MR. TETI: NO. 20 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: OKAY. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: BUT THE QUESTION IS IF THE 22 MOVER WITHDRAWS IT, DOES THE SECONDER HAVE TO AGREE? 23 MR. TETI: IT'S USUALLY DONE BY LOCAL PRACTICE. 24 (INAUDIBLE). 25 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: LOCAL PRACTICE? JULY 28, 2011 180 1 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: SO HE CAN DO IT. 2 MR. TETI: SOME -- 3 COUNSEL BATTISTE: WE USUALLY ASK THE SECONDER 4 IF THEY'RE WILLING TO WITHDRAW -- 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE SHOULD VOTE ON CALLING THE 6 QUESTION SINCE -- 7 TRUSTEE WONG: OKAY. 8 COUNSEL BATTISTE: -- THE SECOND. 9 TRUSTEE WONG: IN TERMS OF CALLING THE QUESTION, 10 DO WE NEED A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD TO CALL THE QUESTION? 11 TRUSTEE NGO: I WITHDRAW MY MOTION. 12 MR. TETI: IT'S A TWO-THIRDS VOTE TO CALL THE 13 QUESTION. 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TWO-THIRDS. 15 MR. TETI: AND IN THIS CASE, THREE OUT OF FOUR 16 WOULD BE GREATER THAN THE TWO-THIRDS REQUIRED. 17 COUNSEL BATTISTE: RIGHT. 18 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE THE 19 STUDENT TRUSTEE CAN VOTE ON THIS AS WELL BECAUSE IT IS NOT 20 MONETARY. IT'S PROCEDURAL. 21 TRUSTEE WONG: AND IF WE DON'T GET THE THREE 22 VOTES, THEN THIS RESOLUTION IS BASICALLY IS NOT -- 23 MR. TETI: IN THAT CASE, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO 24 BE FOUR OUT OF FIVE. THREE OUT OF FIVE IS NOT ENOUGH. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. JULY 28, 2011 181 1 TRUSTEE NGO: SO I WITHDRAW THE MOTION. I ASK 2 COUNSEL TO ACCEPT AS CUSTOM THAT THE SECONDER DOES NOT 3 NEED TO SECOND THE WITHDRAW, AND IT'S OFF THE TABLE. 4 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND I OBJECT -- 5 TRUSTEE NGO: WOW. 6 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- BECAUSE YOU CAN'T 7 HAVE A MOTION IF IT'S NOT SECONDED. SO THE MOTION 8 CAN'T -- AND I DIDN'T WANT THIS TO BE THIS KIND OF A 9 CONVERSATION. I WAS VERY SIMPLE IN WHAT I WANTED. AND I 10 WAS VERY QUICK IN WHAT I WANTED, BUT I AM JUST SAYING NOW, 11 YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST TAKE AN UP OR DOWN VOTE. LIKE 12 THERE'S FOUR OF US. THERE'S QUORUM. LET'S MAKE AN UP OR 13 DOWN VOTE, AND LET'S HAVE THIS CONVERSATION NEXT MONTH. 14 THAT'S ALL I ASKED FOR 30 MINUTES AGO REALLY IS 15 JUST LIKE LET'S JUST DO AN UP OR DOWN VOTE ON THIS. LET'S 16 NOT BE SPEAKER BOEHNER HERE AND THE FOLKS IN THE SENATE. 17 LET'S JUST TAKE AN UP OR DOWN VOTE ON THIS GUYS. 18 PRESIDENT RIZZO: COUNSEL. 19 COUNSEL BATTISTE: I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT 20 THE EFFECT OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. CURRENTLY, THERE IS AN 21 AGREEMENT IN PLACE THAT EXTENDS THE CURRENT INSTRUCTIONAL 22 SERVICE AGREEMENT TO JULY 31ST. IF YOU DO NOT APPROVE 23 THIS, THE AGREEMENT IN PLACE WILL BE AT AN END AS OF 24 SUNDAY. AND THERE WILL BE NO AGREEMENT IN PLACE AFTER 25 SUNDAY. JULY 28, 2011 182 1 AND WHAT THIS IS EFFECTIVELY DOING IS ASKING TO 2 EXTEND THE CURRENT EXISTING AGREEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 31ST 3 UNTIL VICE CHANCELLOR GOLDSTEIN AND DEAN CHAVARIA CAN 4 NEGOTIATE A NEW AGREEMENT WHICH, AGAIN I WOULD SAY, WOULD 5 GIVE AMPLE TIME TO COVER THE CONCERNS THE POLICE 6 DEPARTMENTS HAS, THE CONCERNS THAT THE COLLEGE HAS, THE 7 CONCERNS THAT TRUSTEE JACKSON HAS, ALL OF THAT CAN BE 8 COVERED IN THIS TIME FRAME. BUT THERE WOULD STILL BE AN 9 AGREEMENT IN PLACE -- 10 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: IF -- 11 COUNSEL BATTISTE: -- SO THAT CLASSES COULD -- 12 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: HE'S ALREADY SAID, "NO" TO 13 THAT. 14 COUNSEL BATTISTE: -- CONTINUE AND WE COULD 15 COLLECT FTES. 16 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: LIKE I SAID 15 MINUTES 17 AGO TONIGHT. 18 TRUSTEE WONG: TRUSTEE NGO SAYS, HE IS 19 WITHDRAWING THE RESOLUTION -- 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THE MOTION -- 21 TRUSTEE WONG: -- AND LEGAL COUNSEL SAID -- 22 COUNSEL BATTISTE: I DON'T THINK -- 23 TRUSTEE WONG: -- A SECOND WITHDRAW IS NOT -- 24 THE PERSON WHO SECOND THE RESOLUTION -- 25 TRUSTEE NGO: THE MOTION -- JULY 28, 2011 183 1 TRUSTEE WONG: -- YOU DON'T REQUIRE HIS -- 2 COUNSEL BATTISTE: NO. I BELIEVE HE IS 3 WITHDRAWING HIS MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION. 4 TRUSTEE NGO: CORRECT. 5 COUNSEL BATTISTE: IS THAT CORRECT? 6 TRUSTEE NGO: YES, TO CALL THE QUESTION. 7 TRUSTEE WONG: OH, TO CALL THE QUESTION. 8 COUNSEL BATTISTE: RIGHT. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: AND I AM ASKING COUNSEL TO 10 RECOGNIZE AS CUSTOM THE SECONDER OF THAT MOTION DOES NOT 11 NEED TO CONCUR -- 12 COUNSEL BATTISTE: I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. 13 TRUSTEE NGO: -- IN THAT WITHDRAWAL. 14 COUNSEL BATTISTE: THAT'S CORRECT. 15 TRUSTEE WONG: DOES NOT NEED TO CONCUR. 16 TRUSTEE NGO: AND SHE JUST DID THAT, SO IT'S 17 WITHDRAWN. 18 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND I REALLY -- I 19 STRONGLY DISAGREE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE A MOTION WITHOUT 20 A SECONDER. 21 COUNSEL BATTISTE: (INAUDIBLE.) 22 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: IT'S A GOOD POINT. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, SO AS CHAIR, I WILL 24 ACCEPT THAT. THE BOARD COULD OVERRULE ME AS CHAIR IF THEY 25 WANT, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT WILL HAPPEN, RIGHT. JULY 28, 2011 184 1 TRUSTEE WONG: YOU'RE -- 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I AM ACCEPTING THAT THE MOTION 3 IS WITHDRAWN. 4 TRUSTEE WONG: HE'S WITHDRAWING HIS REQUEST TO 5 CALL THE QUESTION. 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 7 TRUSTEE WONG: WHICH LEAVES US -- 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WITH THE QUESTION. 9 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH, I MEAN I JUST 10 WANT TO VOTE ON IT, GUYS. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WHO MOVED IT? 12 COUNSEL, DO YOU REMEMBER WHO MOVED THE ORIGINAL 13 MOTION? 14 COUNSEL BATTISTE: IT WAS TRUSTEE NGO. 15 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND THEN -- 16 COUNSEL BATTISTE: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE NGO, ARE YOU KEEPING 18 THIS ON THE TABLE OR ARE YOU GOING TO WITHDRAW THIS? 19 COUNSEL BATTISTE: I BELIEVE HE IS. 20 TRUSTEE NGO: IF IT IS THE PREFERENCE OF THE 21 PRESIDENT OR THE CHANCELLOR TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION, I 22 WILL. 23 TRUSTEE WONG: OKAY. 24 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: IT'S MY PREFERENCE. 25 TRUSTEE NGO: THEN I WITHDRAW IT. JULY 28, 2011 185 1 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: WELL, POINT OF 2 INFORMATION. IF THERE'S NO AGREEMENT, THEN -- I MEAN WHAT 3 HAPPENS TO THE CLASS? 4 I MEAN YOU PUT THIS UP FOR A VOTE, AND NOW WE 5 ARE TRYING TO FIND PARLIAMENTARY WAYS TO GET AROUND A VOTE 6 THAT WON'T PASS. THAT'S -- 7 COUNSEL BATTISTE: NO. 8 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: NO. 9 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I DIDN'T MEAN TO SOUND 10 HONEST, BUT -- 11 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: WE WILL STOP -- 12 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- I AM DONE. 13 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS 14 THAT IF IT'S THE SENTIMENT OF THE BOARD THAT WE SHOULD 15 STOP TRYING TO NEGOTIATE A MASTER AGREEMENT UNTIL WE CAN 16 GO THROUGH WHATEVER PROCESS THE BOARD THINKS WE SHOULD GO 17 THROUGH AND DISCUSS THIS NEXT MONTH. 18 I THINK YOU ARE BASICALLY TELLING THE 19 ADMINISTRATION, DON'T NEGOTIATE FURTHER A MASTER AGREEMENT 20 WITH THE POLICE ACADEMY. THAT'S HOW I'M READING IT. 21 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: MY COMMENT IS STOP THE 22 CLASSES UNTIL WE HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING. IF THE MAJORITY 23 OF THE BOARD AGREES WITH YOUR SENTIMENT OF WHAT THAT MEANS 24 THEN, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT'S IT. 25 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: YEAH, I THINK IT JULY 28, 2011 186 1 WOULDN'T -- FROM THE AN ADMINISTRATIVE POINT OF VIEW, I 2 DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE TALKED 3 ABOUT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME TO JUST STOP THE CLASSES 4 ABRUPTLY AND JUST HAVE THE STUDENT'S STOP. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: THERE'S NO AUTHORITY -- THERE'S NO 7 COUNTER AUTHORITY EITHER. THERE'S NO -- NO BOARD VOTED 8 FOR YOU NOT TO DO THAT, NOR DID THE BOARD VOTE FOR YOU TO 9 DO THAT. 10 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: RIGHT. 11 TRUSTEE NGO: SO JUST TO BE CLEAR -- 12 TRUSTEE WONG: THIS WAS -- 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THEY CAN'T EXECUTE ANYTHING. 14 THEY CAN'T SIGN ANY DOCUMENTS. 15 TRUSTEE NGO: NO, NO. THEY CAN'T SIGN ANY 16 DOCUMENTS -- 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 18 TRUSTEE NGO: -- BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THERE 19 IS -- WE ARE NOT OTHERWISE IMPINGING ON YOUR EXISTING 20 DISCRETION AS A CHANCELLOR, AS A CEO. BECAUSE THERE IS NO 21 EXPRESSION OF ANY BOARD DIRECTION AT THIS POINT. THERE'S 22 NO VOTE. THERE'S NO MANDATE FROM THE BOARD AGAINST. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. THE MOTION IS 24 WITHDRAWN. THERE ARE TWO REQUESTS TO SPEAK. 25 ANGELA THOMAS AND RICH COPENHAGEN. I WILL ALLOW JULY 28, 2011 187 1 YOU TO SPEAK IF YOU WISH, BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND THERE IS 2 NO MOTION ON THE TABLE AT THIS POINT. 3 SO IF YOU'RE -- 4 MR. COPENHAGEN: SO I PUT IN A CARD UNDER 5 "REQUEST TO SPEAK." 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: FOR ITEM? 7 MR. COPENHAGEN: RICH COPENHAGEN. I PUT IN A 8 "REQUEST TO SPEAK" FOR ITEM XV. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, NOT THIS ITEM. 10 MR. COPENHAGEN: CORRECT. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, I'M SORRY. 12 MR. COPENHAGEN: THANK YOU. 13 TRUSTEE WONG: ANGELA IS FOR W1. 14 MS. THOMAS: YES. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, W1, I'M SORRY. 16 MS. THOMAS: THIS ISN'T W1? 17 TRUSTEE WONG: NO. NO. NO. 18 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THIS IS S6. 19 MS. THOMAS: OH, WELL, PUT S6 THEN. 20 TRUSTEE WONG: S6 IS OFF THE TABLE. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH, S6 IS OFF. 22 TRUSTEE WONG: SO THEREFORE, IT'S OFF. 23 MS. THOMAS: SO I CAN'T TALK? 24 TRUSTEE WONG: YOU WANTED W1, RIGHT. 25 MS. THOMAS: I WANT TO TALK TO THIS ONE. JULY 28, 2011 188 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I WILL ALLOW IT. WE DIDN'T 2 HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. 3 MS. THOMAS: OKAY, MY QUESTION IS HOW MANY FTES 4 IS -- HOW MANY STUDENTS IS THIS IMPACTING? 5 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: SO FOR THE -- 6 TRUSTEE WONG: HOW MANY STUDENTS, TEN CLASSES? 7 MR. CHAVARIA: I'M SORRY. 8 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: THEY WANT TO KNOW THE TOTAL 9 NUMBER OF FTES THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTED BY THIS. 10 MR. CHAVARIA: TEN CLASSES FOR AUGUST. TEN 11 TIMES 30, 40 HOURS A WEEK. 12 MS. THOMAS: OKAY. 13 TRUSTEE WONG: 300 STUDENTS. 14 MS. THOMAS: OKAY, NOW MY CONCERN, MY SECONDARY 15 CONCERN IS BECAUSE I CAN -- YOU ARE LOOKING AT ME. WE ARE 16 THE SAME. I DO GET IT. AND I AM GLAD I APPRECIATE THE 17 FACT THAT YOU'VE BEEN BEATING THE HEAD SO I COULD GET SOME 18 SYMPATHY FROM YOU TO. 19 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: YOU'RE NOT AVAIL. THEY ARE 20 SHOOTING WOMEN QUITE AS FAST. 21 MS. THOMAS: THEY DID OTHER THINGS TO US. 22 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: ALL RIGHT. 23 MS. THOMAS: OKAY. BUT I THINK BEING IN THE 24 POSITION THAT YOU GUYS ARE IN, AND I AM NOT TRYING TO 25 REBUKE YOU OR BE A HEAVY, YOU NEED TO -- I WOULD JULY 28, 2011 189 1 APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD DECIDE AND WEIGH THIS WITH 2 WISDOM WHICH HAS THE MOST IMPACT, TO BOYCOTT THEM AND NOT 3 LET THEM COME OR TO BRING THEM HERE AND TRY TO TEACH THEM 4 SOME SENSE. 5 I GO WITH THE LATTER BECAUSE WE LEAVE THEM 6 IGNORANT AND STUPID, WE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING SOME MORE 7 TV TIME. BUT THAT'S WHAT I VOTE FOR BECAUSE THAT'S THE 8 PROBLEM. IT'S EASY TO HATE PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW AND WHO 9 ARE TOTALLY INSENSITIVE TO YOUR ISSUES. 10 SO LIKE I SAID, INSTEAD OF BOYCOTTING, 11 ESPECIALLY RIGHT HERE IN THE NINTH HOUR -- AND I BELIEVE 12 IN BOYCOTTING IF IT'S GOING TO HIT YOU IN YOUR POCKET. 13 BUT WE NEED TO HIT THEM IN THEIR BRAIN AND IN THEIR HEART. 14 SO IN THIS LITTLE TIME THAT YOU ARE MULLING IT OVER, MULL 15 THAT PART, PLEASE. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. THANK YOU. 17 WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ONTO TO W1. 18 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: MR. CHAIR. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AND KATHY. 20 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: SHE HAD A COMMENT. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, I'M SORRY. 22 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: YES, ONE REMAINING 23 COMMENT ON S6. I KNOW THE MOTION IS WITHDRAWN AND 24 WHATNOT. 25 I WOULD JUST LIKE -- I WOULD JUST LIKE MY JULY 28, 2011 190 1 COLLEAGUE TO NOTE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY IMPACTING OUR OWN 2 FTES HERE AND JUST PLEASE REMEMBER THAT. YOU KNOW, WHILE 3 WE ARE MAKING A STATEMENT HERE, WE ARE GOING TO HURT 4 OURSELVES NO MATTER HOW SMALL OR HOW MUCH WE CAN EAT, IT 5 IS FINANCIALLY COSTING US. 6 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH, AND -- 7 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: THAT IS ALL. THANK YOU. 8 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- ALL I AM SAYING IS 9 THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT. I MEAN IT'S NOT A STATEMENT. I 10 MEAN IT'S KIND -- I MEAN THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE 11 STATEMENTS, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE SAYING, 12 YOU KNOW WHAT, I NEED YOU TO CHANGE. AND I HAVE NOT SAY 13 BOY -- I HAVE NOT SAID, STOP IT FOREVER AND SHUT THEM DOWN 14 AND GET THEM OFF OUR CAMPUS. I'VE JUST SAID, GIVE ME A 15 MONTH SO I COULD HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS SO THAT I COULD GO 16 BACK TO MY COMMUNITY -- 17 TRUSTEE WONG: THIS IS OFF THE TABLE. 18 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- AND SAY THESE ARE 19 THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE. SO I DON'T WANT 20 THIS TO BE REDUCED TO A STATEMENT BECAUSE IT WAS A 21 LITTLE -- IT IS A LOT DEEPER THAN THAT. AND I AM JUST 22 SAYING THAT I AM GOING TO TAKE TRUSTEE WONG'S ADVICE AND 23 REALLY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND I AM SAYING THAT I 24 CAN'T -- 25 TRUSTEE WONG: FRED, YOU'RE THE SUPERVISOR OF JULY 28, 2011 191 1 THAT PROGRAM, YOU NEED TO CONNECT WITH -- 2 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH, AND FRED'S BEEN 3 AMAZING -- 4 TRUSTEE WONG: TRUSTEE JACKSON. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. OKAY. 6 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: -- IN THE COMMUNITY. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: LET'S DO THIS OFFLINE. 8 TRUSTEE WONG: YEAH. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WE ARE MOVING ON. 10 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 12 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND I APPRECIATE 13 MS. THOMAS' COMMENTS AS WELL. AND I WILL DEFINITELY TAKE 14 THOSE TO HEART NEXT MONTH. I DEFINITELY WILL. THANK YOU. 15 TRUSTEE WONG: ALL RIGHT. I MOVE W1. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 17 W1, IS THERE A SECOND? 18 TRUSTEE NGO: SECOND. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: COUNSEL, WOULD YOU MIND 20 READING W1? 21 COUNSEL BATTISTE: EXCUSE ME, MR. PRESIDENT. 22 WHO MADE THE MOTION FOR IT? 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE WONG AND SECONDED -- 24 COUNSEL BATTISTE: OKAY, GREAT. 25 W1 IS THE "AUTHORIZATION TO EXERCISE OPTIONS TO JULY 28, 2011 192 1 RENEW RENTAL AGREEMENTS FOR THE USE OF SPACE BY CITY 2 COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO CAMPUSES FOR FISCAL YEAR 3 2011-2012." 4 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AND IT'S JUST TWO FACILITIES, 5 RIGHT? 6 TRUSTEE NGO: I READ ONE I THOUGHT. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THE BAPTIST CHURCH AND THE -- 8 TRUSTEE NGO: OH, I SEE THE MAIN TRAIN. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MAIN TRAIN, MAINTENANCE 10 TRAINING CORPORATION. 11 ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? 12 ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? 13 STUDENT TRUSTEE, YOUR VOTE. 14 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 16 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 17 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 18 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 19 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 20 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 21 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 22 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OPPOSED? 24 W1 CARRIES. 25 W2. JULY 28, 2011 193 1 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO MOVED. 2 PRESIDENT RIZZO: MOVED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 3 TRUSTEE NGO: I THINK SHE NEEDS TO EXPLAIN IT 4 FIRST. 5 COUNSEL BATTISTE: OKAY. YES, MR. PRESIDENT, 6 THIS IS AN "AUTHORIZATION FOR ONE CONTRACT FOR REAL 7 ESTATE." IT LOOKS LIKE A CONTINUING LEASE. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, FOR $12,000. 9 THERE WAS MOTION BY TRUSTEE JACKSON. 10 TRUSTEE NGO: SECOND. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SECONDED BY TRUSTEE NGO. 12 ANY DISCUSSION? 13 AND THIS IS THE CHILD DEVELOPMENT AND FAMILY 14 STUDIES PROGRAM LEASING A SITE FOR 12,000 A YEAR. 15 WHAT IS THIS FACILITY? CAN SOMEONE -- 16 MS. WHITE: KATHLEEN WHITE, CHAIR OF CHILD 17 DEVELOPMENT FAMILY STUDIES. 18 THIS SITE IS A CHURCH ON 29TH AVENUE IN THE 19 SUNSET DISTRICT. IT IS OUR ONLY SITE THAT WE ARE 20 CURRENTLY PAYING RENT FOR. WE USED TO PAY RENT FOR EIGHT 21 FACILITIES. WE ARE DOWN TO ONE. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO 22 KEEP IT. IT'S IN THE SUNSET. WE HAVE NO FACILITY IN THE 23 RICHMOND, NONE IN THE SUNSET, NONE IN THE PARKSIDE, NONE 24 WEST OF TWIN PEAKS. 25 IT SERVES FAMILIES. THEY ARE NONCREDIT COURSES. JULY 28, 2011 194 1 FAMILIES BRING THEIR CHILDREN TO THE SITE. I HAVE THE 2 ENROLLMENT. AND I HAVE THE FTES DOLLARS. EVERY SEMESTER 3 WE GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF $42,000 AT THIS ONE SITE ALONE. 4 AND INSTRUCTIONAL EXPENSES, BASED ON MY 5 CALCULATIONS, ARE AT ABOUT 22,000. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE 6 COST OF THE FACULTY VERSUS THE COST OF THE FTES GENERATED, 7 IT'S A MONEYMAKER. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT 9 IT'S JULY 28TH AND THIS CONTRACT STARTS AT AUGUST 1ST. SO 10 THIS WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA ASSUMING THAT BOARD WAS JUST 11 GOING TO RUBBER STAMP IT AND -- 12 MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE: (INAUDIBLE.) 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: NO. BECAUSE IF WE SAY, "NO," 14 WHAT HAPPENS? 15 WE HAVE NO TIME FOR THE BOARD TO GIVE ANY KIND 16 OF INPUT ON THIS OR -- 17 MS. WHITE: THIS -- WE'VE USED THIS SITE FOR 23 18 YEARS. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEAH. 20 MS. WHITE: THE REASON WHY IT IS SO LATE IS THAT 21 THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR RENEWING 22 A LEASE. THIS WAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY 23 FOLKS WHO ARE NO LONGER HERE. SO STEVE HERMAN, GEORGE 24 DONKOR DID THE CONTRACTING AND BROUGHT IT TO THE BOARD. 25 I HAD TO RESEARCH HOW TO DO THIS AND WHAT JULY 28, 2011 195 1 NEEDED -- WHAT THE WORDING NEEDED TO BE AND WHEN IT WAS 2 EXPIRED. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S BEEN IN THIS FORMAT. 3 IT USED TO GO IN -- SOMEONE ELSE DID ALL THE WRITING, SO I 4 WAS ASKED TO BRING THIS FORWARD. AND IT'S THE FIRST TIME 5 I'VE EVER HAD TO BRING A LEASE OF THIS TYPE FORWARD. WE 6 HAD PERSONNEL THAT DID THAT BEFORE. 7 AGAIN, IT'S A CONTINUING LEASE. WE ARE IN OUR 8 24TH YEAR I THINK. IF IT'S NOT APPROVED, I CAN RELOCATE. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: IN THREE DAYS? 10 MS. WHITE: YEAH. AND I WOULD PREFER THAT YOU 11 APPROVE THIS. AND WE DO HAVE TIME, NOW THAT I KNOW THE 12 PROCESS. IF IT'S THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD TO NOT PAY RENT 13 IN THE WESTERN PART OF SAN FRANCISCO, PERHAPS I COULD GET 14 SOME HELP TO FIND A FREE FACILITY. WE DO HAVE MANY 15 PARENTS WHO USE THIS PROGRAM. AND I WOULD LOVE TO NOT 16 HAVE TO PAY RENT, BUT I NEED SOME HELP IN FINDING A FREE 17 FACILITY. WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY OPTIONS IN THE RICHMOND 18 OR SUNSET OR PARKSIDE. THEY'RE JUST -- 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY TIME TO 20 DO THAT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY TIME TO HELP YOU DO THAT 21 BECAUSE THIS IS THREE DAYS. YOU SEE THIS GIVES US NO 22 OPTIONS. YOU ARE COMING HERE, AND YOU ARE SAYING YOU HAVE 23 TO DO THIS. 24 MS. WHITE: BUT I AM EXPLAINING THE HISTORY. SO 25 TYPICALLY, IT WOULD HAVE -- JULY 28, 2011 196 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, BUT YOU ARE SAYING, OH, 2 YOU COULD HELP US FIND SOMETHING. BUT NO WE CAN'T BECAUSE 3 IT'S THREE DAYS. 4 MS. WHITE: WELL, IF THE BOARD DOESN'T APPROVE 5 THIS LEASE, WE CAN VACANT THE PREMISES. WE DO HAVE 6 FURNISHINGS AND ITEMS ON THE PREMISES. I WOULD ASSUME WE 7 WOULD HAVE TO PAY ONE MONTH RENT. AND WE CAN VACATE AND 8 WE CAN TRY TO RELOCATE. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE JACKSON. 10 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND I GUESS I WOULD SAY 11 THE COST TO MOVE WOULD ALMOST NEGATE ANY KIND OF COST 12 SAVINGS THAT WE WOULD INCUR FROM NOT PAYING THE RENT. AND 13 THE COST TO RELOCATE, YOU KNOW, WHEN PARENTS ARE IN -- 14 IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT THE PARENTS. IT'S ABOUT THE KIDS 15 BEING USE TO GOING TO A CERTAIN SPECIFIC PLACE. AND WHEN 16 YOU MOVE THEM, THERE'S AN IMPACT THERE. THERE'S ALSO AN 17 IMPACT FOR THE PARENTS. 18 AND SO I AGREE, WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKING TO 19 FIND, YOU KNOW, FREE SPACES WHENEVER AND WHEREVER WE CAN. 20 BUT IF THE SPACE HAS -- IF IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 28 YEARS, 21 (SIC) -- I AM ACTUALLY HOPING, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE THE 22 LADIES -- I GUESS IS THE RENT BASICALLY JUST TO PAY FOR 23 UTILITIES -- 24 MS. WHITE: NO. THIS IS AT A CHURCH SITE. 25 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: YEAH. JULY 28, 2011 197 1 MS. WHITE: AND SO REMEMBER, MR. PRESIDENT, YOU 2 KNOW THE SITUATION. WE USED TO BE ABLE TO USE FOR OUR 3 NONCREDIT PARENTING COURSES PARK AND REC CLUBHOUSES ALL 4 OVER THE CITY FREE. 5 PRESIDENT RIZZO: I KNOW AND I'VE FOUGHT 6 DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO GET THAT BACK UNSUCCESSFULLY. I 7 CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY -- 8 MS. WHITE: YEAH. 9 PRESIDENT RIZZO: HOW MUCH TIME I HAVE SPENT ON 10 THAT -- 11 MS. WHITE: I KNOW. 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- UNSUCCESSFULLY. 13 MS. WHITE: AND SO WE WERE IN MANY LOCATIONS 14 THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN PARK AND REC CLUBHOUSES. ONE BY 15 ONE WE WERE ASKED TO PAY RENT. WE HAD TO VACATE. 16 THIS IS OUR LAST FACILITY THAT WE ARE PAYING 17 RENT FOR NONCREDIT COURSES. SO IT MIGHT FEEL 11TH HOUR. 18 I WOULD COMPLY WITH WHAT YOU DO. WE'VE RELOCATED OTHER 19 SECTIONS TO CAMPUS LOCATIONS. 20 MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, AS A RESIDENT OF THE 21 SUNSET, IT'S -- WE ARE NOT OUT THERE MUCH. AND WE ARE NOT 22 OUT IN THE RICHMOND. AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE 23 FACILITIES. AND THERE ARE PARENTS AND THERE ARE CHILDREN. 24 AND THEY DO EXPECT SERVICE OUT THERE. 25 SO I WOULD -- YOU KNOW I WOULD URGE A VOTE TO JULY 28, 2011 198 1 CONTINUE THIS. AGAIN, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS TYPE 2 OF LEASE BEFORE. I HAD PEOPLE OUT HERE AT GOUGH STREET 3 WHO DID THIS BEFORE, SO I HAD TO LEARN THIS VERY QUICKLY. 4 AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH ANYONE WHO IS SUCCESSFUL 5 AT FINDING NO COST SPACE IN THE WESTERN SECTOR OF SAN 6 FRANCISCO. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, I JUST FEEL -- ONE LAST 8 THING IF I MAY. 9 I JUST FEEL THAT WE'RE -- THE BOARD IS BEING 10 KIND OF RUN ROUGH SHOT OVER HERE. WE HAVE THIS THING 11 THREE DAYS IN ADVANCE, NO OTHER OPTIONS. WE GET -- WE PUT 12 SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. WE LET IT BE KNOWN THAT WE ARE 13 GOING TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT A GRANT. AND WE GET A 14 ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE, STAFF, AND STUDENTS, AND WHATNOT 15 BROUGHT HERE TO INFLUENCE THE BOARD. I JUST DON'T THINK 16 THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO WORK WITH THE BOARD AND TRUSTEES, 17 AND THAT'S ALL I WILL SAY. 18 TRUSTEE NGO. 19 TRUSTEE NGO: COUNSEL, DO YOU NEED FOUR VOTES TO 20 PASS THIS -- 21 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES. 22 TRUSTEE NGO: -- LIKE THE LAST RESOLUTION? 23 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES. 24 TRUSTEE NGO: SO IN PRINCIPLE, SOMEONE, LIKE THE 25 LAST RESOLUTION, COULD OPPOSE THE PROCESS BY WHICH THIS JULY 28, 2011 199 1 HAPPENED AND THIS WOULD FAIL. 2 IS THAT RIGHT? 3 COUNSEL BATTISTE: I'M SORRY. 4 TRUSTEE NGO: IT WOULD NOT PASS. 5 COUNSEL BATTISTE: IT WOULD NOT PASS. 6 TRUSTEE NGO: IF IT JUST GOT THREE VOTES LIKE 7 THE LAST RESOLUTION, RIGHT? 8 MS. WHITE, I DON'T THINK THE ISSUE IS WHETHER OR 9 NOT WE WANT FREE LOW COST FACILITIES. THE ISSUE WAS -- 10 THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. IT'S KIND OF A RED HERRING AND NOT 11 FAIR TO SAY THAT. THE ISSUE WAS PROCESS. I MEAN EVERYONE 12 IS FOND OF PROCESS HERE, RIGHT, EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO 13 THE BOARD. 14 LET ME FINISH, OKAY, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT A 15 LOT HERE, ALL RIGHT. 16 NOW THE ISSUE IS NOT THAT WE EITHER HAVE YOU 17 JUST GET KICKED OUT OF THAT FACILITY OR WE HAVE TO HELP 18 YOU FIND LOW COST OR ZERO COST RENT FACILITY. THE ISSUE 19 THAT PRESIDENT RIZZO -- IS IT OKAY IF I FINISH? 20 MS. WHITE: YEAH. 21 TRUSTEE NGO: OKAY, THE ISSUE THAT PRESIDENT 22 RIZZO RAISED IS THAT WE ARE FORCED TO NEGOTIATE OR ACCEPT 23 A LEASE AGREEMENT THREE DAYS BEFORE IT'S DUE. 24 NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE NEVER DONE THIS 25 BEFORE, BUT I ASSUME THAT YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE TERMS JULY 28, 2011 200 1 OF THE LEASE AS THE CHAIR OF THE DEPARTMENT AND YOU KNOW 2 WHEN IT'S DUE. YOU KNOW WHEN THE TERMS END. THAT'S WHAT 3 I ASSUME. AND IF YOU DON'T, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT 4 STORY. 5 LOOK I AM GOING TO VOTE "YES" FOR THIS. I DON'T 6 THINK YOU ARE MAKING US RUBBER STAMP IT, BUT I DON'T 7 APPRECIATE THE KIND OF RED HERRINGS THAT YOU THREW OUT 8 THERE AS IF WE HAVE TWO CHOICES, EITHER WE HELP YOU FIND A 9 ZERO COST RENT, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE ARE ASKING, OR WE 10 HAVE TO ADOPT IT. THAT'S JUST NOT -- IT'S NOT A FAIR 11 THING TO SAY. AND I HOPE YOU OWN SOME OF THAT BECAUSE 12 THAT'S NOT TRUE. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE SAYING. 13 THE CRITIQUE WAS THAT WE FEEL A LITTLE RUSHED BY 14 IT. AND I THINK THAT'S A FAIR CRITIQUE, ISN'T IT? 15 MS. WHITE: NO. I EXPLAINED THAT I DIDN'T 16 REALIZE I WOULD EVEN HAVE TO DO THIS. AND SO I THINK IT 17 IS UNFAIR. WE DO NOT HAVE THE PERSONNEL HERE AT THIS 18 FACILITY WHO ARE HANDLING THE RENT AGREEMENTS AND LEASE 19 AGREEMENTS AS THEY HAVE IN THE PAST 20 SOMETHING YEARS. I 20 HAVE BEEN CHAIR FOR FOUR YEARS. I'VE NEVER HAD TO HANDLE 21 THIS LEASE AGREEMENT. SO IT'S YEAR-TO-YEAR LEASE. IT'S 22 NEVER TAKEN THIS LIFE. 23 I WAS TOLD IN JULY TO PUT THIS FORWARD. I 24 OFFERED IT UP IN JUNE. IT GOT REJECTED. THERE'S A LONG 25 STORY. JULY 28, 2011 201 1 TRUSTEE NGO: I UNDERSTAND. GO AHEAD. 2 MS. WHITE: SO I BROUGHT -- MY DEAN IS RIGHT 3 HERE. I BROUGHT IT FORWARD IN JUNE. THE PROCESS GOT 4 REJECTED. THERE HAD TO BE MORE EXPLORATION AROUND THE 5 LEASING OFFICE, THE HISTORY OF THE LEASE, THE FILES ARE IN 6 SOMEONE'S OFFICE WHO DOESN'T WORK HERE ANYMORE. SO I DID 7 NOT INTENTIONALLY WANT TO RUSH THIS. I DIDN'T 8 INTENTIONALLY CHOOSE TO BE HERE. I CAME HOME FROM A 9 VACATION EARLY TO BE AT THIS MEETING. 10 SO I THINK IT'S MORE OF A PROCESS OF HOW THINGS, 11 YOU KNOW, ARE SLOWER RIGHT NOW HERE AT THE COLLEGE. AND I 12 DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN ULTIMATUM HERE. I AM ABSOLUTELY 13 FINE SHUTTING A PROGRAM DOWN. I THINK IT'S -- I AM JUST 14 SAYING THIS IS OUR ONLY WESTERN SITE. SO IF YOU INSTRUCT 15 ME TO NOT SERVE THIS COMMUNITY, I WILL NOT. BUT IT IS OUR 16 ONLY WESTERN SITE. 17 IF I MAY RESPOND TO PRESIDENT RIZZO'S COMMENT 18 THOUGH, YOU TALKED ABOUT BRINGING PEOPLE FORWARD. THE 19 MENTOR PROGRAM IN MY DEPARTMENT ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. 20 WE ARE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES. SO PLEASE DON'T CONFUSE 21 THAT WHILE I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT YOUR ACTION, I DO NOT HOLD 22 THAT CONTRACT IN MY DEPARTMENT. SO I DID BRING THIS 23 FORWARD. I BROUGHT IT TO MY DEAN IN PLENTY OF TIME. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU FOR THAT. I 25 APOLOGIZE FOR THAT MISTAKE. JULY 28, 2011 202 1 TRUSTEE NGO: LOOK. WE ARE ALL WORKING HERE. 2 MS. WHITE: YEAH. 3 TRUSTEE NGO: I'M SORRY YOU HAD TO COME OUT AND 4 SPEND TIME AND MAKE THIS CASE FOR THIS LEASE. I APOLOGIZE 5 TO YOU. WE ALL GET PAID. SOME OF US GET PAID BETTER THAN 6 OTHERS. SO I HOPE THAT WE ALL CONSIDER THAT THIS IS JUST 7 PART OF OUR JOB. 8 MS. WHITE: I KNOW. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: GREAT. 10 LOOK MY CRITIQUE WASN'T THAT -- IT WASN'T 11 THAT -- I RAISE FAIR CONCERNS WHETHER YOU KNEW THE TERMS 12 OF AGREEMENT OR NOT, AND THAT'S FINE. MY CRITIQUE WAS 13 THAT YOU ASSUMED THAT WE EITHER HAVE TO ADOPT THIS LEASE 14 OR BASICALLY HELP YOU SHOP FOR ZERO COST FREE AGREEMENT. 15 WE NEVER MADE THAT ASSUMPTION. WE NEVER MADE THAT 16 ASSERTION TO YOU. IF YOU WERE TO RAISE IT, IT IS JUST 17 UNFAIR. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE CRITIQUE I WAS MAKING. 18 LOOK, AS I SAID, I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS. 19 BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR THAT WE RAISE THESE RED 20 HERRINGS TO THE BOARD TO GET SOMETHING PASSED OR TO MAKE A 21 POINT THAT'S NOT A VALID POINT IN MY MIND. AND I HOPE 22 THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT. YOU MAY NOT, BUT THAT'S MY 23 CONCERN WITH YOUR STATEMENT TODAY. 24 MS. WHITE: I BROUGHT THE FTES REVENUE TO YOU. 25 AND I THOUGHT WHAT A SITE GENERATED WOULD BE A WAY TO MAKE JULY 28, 2011 203 1 A DECISION. 2 TRUSTEE NGO: BUT YOU STATED THAT WE WANTED YOU 3 TO HAVE A ZERO COST LEASE AGREEMENT. WE NEVER SAID THAT. 4 OUR CRITIQUE WAS THE MANNER IN WHICH IT WAS BROUGHT. 5 THAT'S IT. THAT WAS THE CRITIQUE. AND FOR YOU TO SAY 6 THAT, IT'S JUST NOT TRUE. WE SAID THAT YOU HAD TO GET 7 ZERO COST AGREEMENT THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE. 8 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: CAN I ASK A POINT OF 9 INFORMATION. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: YEP. 11 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: WHAT'S THE THIRD 12 ALTERNATIVE? 13 TRUSTEE NGO: WE HAVE TO GET FOUR VOTES, RIGHT? 14 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: NO. NO. I AM TALKING 15 ABOUT THIS. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: LET'S NOT THIS -- I AM GOING 17 TO VOTE "YES," LET'S DO THE VOTE. 18 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I ASKED A POINT OF 19 INFORMATION. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 21 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: IF THERE'S NOT -- YOU 22 PUT UP TWO ALTERNATIVES, EITHER PASS THE AGREEMENT OR MOVE 23 SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT'S CHEAP OR FREE. WHAT'S THE 24 THIRD -- I'M LIMITED. SO WHAT'S THE THIRD ALTERNATIVE IN 25 THIS REALITY? JULY 28, 2011 204 1 MS. WHITE: NO PROGRAM -- 2 TRUSTEE NGO: TRUSTEE JACKSON. 3 MS. WHITE: -- AT THIS SITE. 4 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: I AM GOING TO VOTE 5 "YES" FOR THIS TOO. I AM NOT GOING TO HOLD THIS -- 6 MS. WHITE: YEAH. 7 TRUSTEE NGO: -- HOSTAGE BECAUSE I HAVE -- 8 TRUSTEE WONG: I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. 9 TRUSTEE NGO: -- AN ISSUE WITH THE WAY THIS WAS 10 A PRESENTED. I'M FINE WITH IT. 11 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AND I AM NOT PUSHING 12 BACK. I AM JUST SAYING WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER WAY 13 TO APPROACH THIS? 14 TRUSTEE WONG: IF I MAY, THROUGH THE CHAIR. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: PLEASE, TRUSTEE WONG. 16 TRUSTEE WONG: THANK YOU. 17 ASSUMING THAT, AND I CANNOT IMAGINE US NOT 18 PASSING THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE CHILDREN AT STAKE, FAMILIES 19 AT STAKE HERE. BUT ASSUMING THAT WE PASS THIS, MAY WE ASK 20 YOU THEN TO START LOOKING FOR A FREE SPACE ASAP? 21 I THINK THIS CONTRACT IS FOR ONE YEAR. 22 MS. WHITE: YES. 23 TRUSTEE WONG: AND, HOPEFULLY, YOU WILL COME TO 24 US A YEAR FROM NOW AND SAY, YOU HAVE FOUND A SPACE THAT IS 25 NO COST, ZERO COST TO THE DISTRICT, NOW KNOWING WHAT YOU JULY 28, 2011 205 1 JUST HEARD AND WHAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH IN TERMS OF OUR 2 BUDGET AND SO FORTH. 3 MS. WHITE: ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR 4 FOUR YEARS TO FIND NO COST SPACE IN THE SUNSET, RICHMOND 5 OR PARKSIDE. SO WE WERE AT THREE OTHER FACILITIES. I'VE 6 MOVED THEM TO CAMPUS LOCATIONS OR FREE LOCATIONS. THIS IS 7 MY LAST ONE. I PREFERRED -- I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY BOTH THE 8 ADMINISTRATION, NOT DIRECTLY BY THE BOARD, BUT, YOU KNOW, 9 I'VE SAT AT PBC MEETINGS. I KNOW THE URGENCY. 10 I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR FOUR YEARS, SO AT THIS 11 POINT I NEED HELP. AND AS THE ELECTED BOARD, I WASN'T 12 PUTTING YOU AT HOSTAGE. I WAS REALLY SAYING, AS ELECTED 13 OFFICIALS, IF YOU CAN THINK OF SPACE IN THOSE LOCATIONS 14 WEST OF TWIN PEAKS, I WILL RELOCATE THERE. 15 TRUSTEE WONG: OKAY. 16 MS. WHITE: AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING. 17 TRUSTEE WONG: CALL FOR THE QUESTION. 18 PRESIDENT RIZZO: LET ME JUST CLARIFY ONE THING. 19 IT'S ANY ONE'S RIGHT TO COME HERE AND SAY ANYTHING THEY 20 WANT. IT'S ANYBODY'S RIGHT TO, INCLUDING STAFF TO 21 ORGANIZE PEOPLE AND BRING PEOPLE HERE. BUT IF PEOPLE 22 THINK THAT COMING HERE AND HAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE SPEAK IS 23 GOING TO MAKE SOME OF US NOT WANT TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS, 24 THEY ARE WRONG. IT MAKES ME THINK WHY DON'T THEY WANT ME 25 TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS? WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? THAT'S JULY 28, 2011 206 1 WHAT IT MAKES ME DOES -- DO. 2 SO FEEL FREE TO BRING AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU WANT 3 HERE, BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET THE RESULT THAT YOU 4 THINK YOU MIGHT, SO -- 5 TRUSTEE WONG: CALL FOR THE QUESTION. 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY, STUDENT TRUSTEE. 7 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG (ADVISORY): AYE. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN 9 FAVOR? 10 TRUSTEE BERG: (ABSENT.) 11 TRUSTEE GRIER: (ABSENT.) 12 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: AYE. 13 TRUSTEE MARKS: (ABSENT.) 14 TRUSTEE NGO: AYE. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AYE. 16 TRUSTEE WONG: AYE. 17 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THE MOTION CARRIES. 18 IS THAT OUR LAST -- 19 COUNSEL BATTISTE: YES, IT IS, MR. PRESIDENT. 20 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- RESOLUTION. 21 MS. WHITE: THANK YOU. 22 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: JOHN, YOU MISSED GUS. 23 SHE HAD A CARD. 24 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OH, I'M SORRY. DID YOU STILL 25 WANT TO SPEAK? JULY 28, 2011 207 1 MS. GOLDSTEIN: YES, I WOULD. I THINK THE BOARD 2 IS BEING UNDULY HARSH, AND I'M UPSET BY IT. I DON'T 3 UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS HOSTILITY IS ABOUT. 4 I THINK -- IS IT DR. WHITE? I AM NOT SURE THE 5 TITLE. BUT KATHLEEN WHITE HAS COME HERE IN ALL GOOD FAITH 6 HAVING HAD A JOB THRUST UPON HER THAT WAS NOT HER JOB IN 7 THE PAST TRYING TO DO THE BEST SHE CAN WITH IT AND GETTING 8 CRITICIZED UNNECESSARILY FOR IT. AND I JUST DON'T 9 UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW, I MEAN SHE'S EVEN SAID THAT SHE WAS 10 NOT A PARTY TO BRINGING ALL THE PEOPLE IN ON THE GRANT, 11 AND SHE'S STILL BEING CRITICIZED FOR THAT. 12 PRESIDENT RIZZO: WELL, I APOLOGIZED FOR THAT. 13 MS. GOLDSTEIN: YES, BUT THEN -- 14 PRESIDENT RIZZO: PERHAPS YOU MISSED THAT. 15 MS. GOLDSTEIN: I HEARD THAT. AND THEN YOU JUST 16 SAID IT AGAIN AT THE END. YOU COULD BRING IN ALL THE 17 PEOPLE YOU WANT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO KEEP US FROM ASKING 18 THE QUESTIONS WE WANT TO ASK. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: RIGHT. 20 MS. GOLDSTEIN: NO ONE IS SUGGESTING YOU 21 SHOULDN'T ASK QUESTIONS. IT'S JUST I AM OFFENDED BY THE 22 ATTITUDE OF THE BOARD, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, SO THANK 23 YOU. 24 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I'VE GOT TO COMMENT. 25 SO I AM NOT SURE WHAT -- FIRST OF ALL, I AM NOT JULY 28, 2011 208 1 SURE WHAT PEOPLE ARE APPLAUDING. 2 AND NO. 2, I AM NOT OFFENDED BY THE CONDUCT OF 3 THE BOARD. AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO START 4 GETTING REAL ABOUT THIS CONTINUING CRITICISM OF THE BOARD 5 FOR SIMPLY SEEKING DIALOGUE. IF YOU DON'T WANT DIALOGUE, 6 DON'T COME HERE THEN. BUT THIS WAS NOT AN ATTACK ON 7 KATHLEEN WHITE. I THINK THAT IT'S NOT OPEN SEASON ON THE 8 BOARD. WE ARE GOING HAVE TO STOP DOING WHAT WE'VE BEEN 9 DOING FOR TWO YEARS HERE. 10 YOU SAY YOU WANT A DIALOGUE. LET'S HAVE A 11 DIALOGUE, BUT LET'S NOT HAVE ALL OF THIS CIRCUS HERE 12 BECAUSE IT IS BECOMING A CIRCUS WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE 13 BOARD CAN'T MAKE A STATEMENT, WHEN BOARD MEMBERS CAN'T 14 MAKE STATEMENTS, CANNOT ASK QUESTIONS. THESE QUESTIONS 15 THAT ARE BEING ASKED ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE ARE ALL ASKING 16 ALL OVER CAMPUS REGARDING MONETARY SITUATIONS. WE ALL 17 KNOW THE SITUATION THAT WE ARE IN. 18 WE ARE NOT ATTACKING ANYONE. THIS IS ABOUT 19 PEOPLE KEEPING THEIR LIVELIHOODS. THIS IS ABOUT THE 20 COLLEGE CONTINUING TO SURVIVE AND THRIVE. IT'S NOT ABOUT 21 AN ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BOARD AND COLLEGE 22 CONSTITUENTS. WE ARE BEGINNING TO BE A LITTLE BIT TOO 23 EDGY IN TERMS OF ANY KIND OF CONVERSATION THAT WE ARE 24 HAVING HERE. 25 AND QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T SEE MYSELF AS BEING JULY 28, 2011 209 1 PRO-BOARD OR PRO-CONSTITUENT GROUPS. BUT I THINK THAT WE 2 ALL NEED TO STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT AND CHECK OURSELVES. 3 FACIAL EXPRESSION WHERE PEOPLE COME UP, THEY ARE SHOWING 4 OPEN FACIAL EXPRESSIONS. WE CAN'T EVEN GET A STATEMENT 5 OUT BECAUSE THE FACIAL EXPRESSION ARE COMMUNICATING. 6 PEOPLE ARE ANGRY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I DON'T GET IT. 7 THE BOARD IS HUMAN. THE PEOPLE OUTSIDE ARE HUMAN. WE ALL 8 ARE HUMAN. WHY CAN'T WE JUST COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER 9 AND DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES AND HAVE A DIALOGUE. 10 IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL TO DEAL WITH 11 THESE MATTERS AS FAR AS THE COLLEGE IS CONCERNED. WE HAVE 12 BEEN PRETENDING THAT IT'S NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. IT IS 13 THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. AND YOU WOULD NOT RESPECT THEM IF 14 THEY DID NOT TAKE A VERY STRONG ROLE. AND THEY HAVE TO. 15 YOU CAN'T DO IT BY YOURSELF. I CAN'T DO IT BY MYSELF. 16 THE BOARD IS AN INTERREGAL PART OF THIS EQUATION. AND 17 THEY ARE ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED 18 ALL OVER CAMPUS BY VARIOUS GROUPS. AND IF WE CAN'T 19 PUBLICLY TALK ABOUT THIS AND ASK THESE QUESTIONS, WHAT 20 KIND OF WORLD ARE WE LIVING IN? 21 NOBODY IS GETTING PUNISHED FOR STANDING UP AND 22 MAKING A STATEMENT AND THE BOARD MEMBERS DON'T NEED TO BE 23 PUNISHED FOR ASKING QUESTIONS. I MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO 24 AGREE WITH ME THAT'S FINE. I AM JUST TELLING YOU MY 25 OPINION. AND IF WE DON'T GET SOME RESPECT FOR THE ELECTED JULY 28, 2011 210 1 OFFICIALS AROUND HERE, THEN NOBODY IS GOING TO WANT TO RUN 2 FOR THIS BOARD. AND WE SAW IT LAST TIME, WHERE PEOPLE DID 3 NOT EVEN WANT TO RUN. THERE'S NOBODY THAT WANTED TO COME 4 RUN FOR THE BOARD. AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NOT 5 ENOUGH RESPECT AND DIALOGUE. 6 AND I THINK ALL OF US OWN THAT. WE NEED TO TAKE 7 OWNERSHIP OF IT AND DEAL WITH IT. I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED 8 AS WELL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS 9 LIKE OTHER RESOLUTIONS, I'VE SAT IN THE ROOM FOR HOURS AND 10 HOURS AND SEEN US GO THROUGH THE COMMITTEE DEAL AND TALK 11 ABOUT THINGS, AND I THOUGHT WE HAD COME TO SOME 12 CONCLUSIONS ABOUT IT, AND THEN I COME HERE TONIGHT AND 13 THERE'S A WHOLE NEW AGENDA OF ITEMS. 14 AND I'M ASKING MYSELF, WHY AREN'T WE DISCUSSING 15 THIS STUFF IN COMMITTEE? WHY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT IT? 16 ARE WE LIVING IN TWO WORLDS? I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING 17 ON. AND I'M REALLY TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. 18 BUT THIS IS NOT GOING TO CONTINUE. I AM GOING 19 TO TELL YOU. I DON'T LIKE TO SPEAK UP ABOUT THIS, BUT I 20 AM GOING TO START TO SPEAK UP EVERY TIME SOME OF THIS 21 STUFF COMES UP. I DON'T BELIEVE ANY SPEAKER OUT THERE WAS 22 INSULTED BY A BOARD MEMBER TONIGHT. I DON'T THINK THEY 23 WERE ABUSED. I DON'T THINK THEY WERE INSULTED. 24 AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORD, YOU WILL 25 NOT FIND THAT ON THE RECORD. THAT'S MY CONCERN WHEN JULY 28, 2011 211 1 PEOPLE ARE BEING ACCUSED WHEN THEY ARE NOT DOING 2 SOMETHING. IF THEY ARE DOING THAT, THEN SURE WE SHOULD BE 3 SPEAKING UP. I DO AGREE. BUT I JUST DON'T SEE IT. I 4 WILL LOOK AT THE TAPE. I WILL LOOK AT IT CAREFULLY. 5 TRUSTEE NGO: MR. PRESIDENT, BECAUSE I HAVE TO 6 ADDRESS THIS. 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: HOLD ON A SECOND. JUST A 8 POINT OF ORDER. 9 TRUSTEE WONG, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE ACTION 10 ITEMS. THE REST OF THE ITEMS ARE ALL DISCUSSION ITEMS, SO 11 IF YOU NEEDED TO LEAVE, I WANTED TO -- 12 TRUSTEE WONG: OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE 13 CHANCELLOR, I WANTED TO STAY TO LISTEN TO HIM. 14 (TRUSTEE WONG LEAVES THE MEETING.) 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 16 TRUSTEE NGO: I HEARD APPLAUSE FROM THE STAFF ON 17 THAT STATEMENT. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR STAFF IS NOT 18 BIASED OVER THERE AND EDITING VIDEO AND ADDING COMMENTARY 19 FOR OUR -- FOR THESE COMMENTS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. IF WE 20 ARE TAKING SIDES AT THIS DISTRICT, I THOUGHT WE WERE ALL 21 PART OF THE SAME DISTRICT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE 22 ARE NOT SELECTING EDITING COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE. 23 LOOK YOU CAN APPLAUD, THAT'S FINE. BUT YOU ARE 24 ALSO WORKING RIGHT NOW AS I UNDERSTAND IT. YOU ARE NOT A 25 MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT NOW. YOU ARE WORKING. SO LET JULY 28, 2011 212 1 ME BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. 2 SECONDLY, LOOK PEOPLE MAKE A LOT OF MONEY HERE. 3 THEY HAVE A JOB TO DO. WE HAVE A JOB TO DO. AND WE ARE 4 ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE 5 BEEN OFFENDED BY HOW I ASKED IT, BUT I WAS OFFENDED BY HOW 6 WE WERE PRESENTED WITH THE INFORMATION. 7 IS ANYONE SAYING -- I MEAN I WAS OFFENDED AT THE 8 INTELLIGENCE THAT WAS INSULTED BY THE WAY IT WAS 9 PRESENTED. IS THAT OKAY? 10 THAT'S HOW I RESPONDED. THAT'S IT. THERE'S 11 NOTHING -- BASICALLY, IF THIS SENSE OF ACADEMIC FREEDOM 12 DOESN'T NECESSARILY APPLY TO ANYONE ELSE FREEDOM OF 13 SPEECH, NO ONE ELSE. BUT THIS BOARD -- NOTHING APPLIES TO 14 THIS BOARD. STANDARDS, DOUBLE STANDARDS, NOTHING. THERE 15 ARE DOUBLE STANDARDS THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE. 16 IF YOU START ATTACKING THE BOARD LIKE THAT, AND 17 THAT'S FINE, IN MY MIND WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ALSO TRYING 18 TO STOP THEM FROM SAYING ANYTHING ANYMORE. THEY HAVE TO 19 WATCH THEIR TONE WITH THE PEOPLE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO 20 OVERSEE. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO WATCH THESE PEOPLE. THAT'S 21 THEIR JOB. I DON'T APOLOGIZE FOR THAT AT ALL. 22 I THINK THE CHANCELLOR IS RIGHT. IT'S BEEN TWO 23 AND A HALF YEARS OF THIS STUFF, AND I JUST THINK WE CAN DO 24 BETTER THAN THAT. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON -- JULY 28, 2011 213 1 TRUSTEE NGO: THERE'S NO QUORUM. 2 (TRUSTEE NGO LEAVES THE MEETING.) 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: -- WITH THE AGENDA. 4 WE HAVE -- THE NEXT ITEM IS A REPORT FROM THE 5 CONSTITUENT GROUPS. 6 THE ACADEMIC SENATE. 7 MS. SAGINOR: I HAVE NO REPORT, BUT I AM 8 YIELDING TIME TO AFT VICE PRESIDENT. 9 MS. GOLDSTEIN: GOOD EVENING. GUS GOLDSTEIN, 10 AFT 2121 VICE PRESIDENT. I AM SPEAKING IN THE ABSENCE OF 11 ALISA MESSER, WHOSE ABSENCE I'M SURE YOU ALL REGRET. SHE 12 COULDN'T COME THIS EVENING. AND I TOLD HER I WOULD SPEAK 13 IN HER PLACE. JUST ONE MOMENT. 14 SHE HAD SOME SPECIFIC THINGS SHE WANTED ME TO 15 MENTION, AND I HAVE A COUPLE OTHERS OF MY OWN TO ADD FROM 16 AFT 2121. 17 FIRST OF ALL, WE WANTED TO EXPRESS OUR 18 DISAPPOINTMENT AT THE DISAPPEARANCE FROM THE AGENDA AND 19 THE NECESSARY DISAPPEARANCE APPARENTLY OF THE PARCEL TAX 20 BECAUSE OF THE FAILURE TO GET ALL CONSTITUENT GROUPS ON 21 BOARD. AND WE ARE SORRY THAT IS THE STATUS AT THIS POINT. 22 AND WE WOULD -- AND IT STILL REMAINS A PRIORITY FOR US. 23 ALSO, I WANTED TO MENTION THE OIL EXTRACTION 24 TAX. THERE'S A -- THERE ARE PETITIONS GOING AROUND TO GET 25 IT ON TO THE BALLOT IN THE FALL. IT'S INTENDED TO RAISE JULY 28, 2011 214 1 MONEY FOR EDUCATION. AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO A 2 WIDER AUDIENCE'S ATTENTION IN CASE YOU GET ASKED TO SIGN 3 THE PETITION. 4 THE LABOR COUNCIL HERE IN SAN FRANCISCO AND AFT 5 2121, AS WELL AS INDIVIDUALS SUCH AS JOHN RIZZO AND ANITA 6 GRIER, I BELIEVE, AND OTHERS HAVE SUPPORTED -- 7 PRESIDENT RIZZO: PETER GOLDSTEIN. 8 MS. GOLDSTEIN: PETER GOLDSTEIN, YES, THANK YOU, 9 ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS. AND I AM ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO 10 SIGN THE PETITIONS IF THEY COME THEIR WAY OR BECOME 11 PETITION COLLECTORS EVEN, SIGNATURE COLLECTORS. 12 I WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE DREAM ACT AB 130 13 WAS JUST SIGNED INTO LAW. BUT ALISA WANTED TO MAKE SURE 14 YOU REALIZE THAT IT'S ONLY HALF OF THE FULL DREAM ACT. 15 AB 131 IS THE OTHER HALF. IT REMAINS TO BE PASSED. IT 16 WOULD INCLUDE ACCESS TO UNDOCUMENTED STUDENTS TO PUBLICLY 17 FUNDED GRANTS AND LOANS. AND THAT HASN'T PASSED YET, SO 18 WE ARE STILL -- WE ARE HALFWAY THERE, BUT WE ARE NOT ALL 19 THE WAY THERE YET. 20 I WANTED ALSO TO EXTEND AN INVITATION TO ALL 21 BOARD MEMBERS AND OTHERS HERE TO AFT 2121'S ANNUAL 22 RETIREMENT AND FINANCIAL PLANNING DAY. IT'S AUGUST 15TH. 23 THERE'S MORE INFORMATION ONLINE ABOUT IT. I ALSO HAVE 24 SOME FLYERS FOR THE BOARD, WHICH SEEMS TO BE LARGELY 25 ABSENT AT THE MOMENT. JULY 28, 2011 215 1 AT AFT2121.ORG WE NEED YOU TO REGISTER IF YOU 2 ARE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING BECAUSE WE ARE SUPPLYING A 3 CONTINENTAL BREAKFAST AND LUNCH AND WE NEED TO KNOW HOW 4 MUCH FOOD TO ORDER. WE DON'T WANT TO OVER OR UNDER ORDER. 5 SO IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT ATTENDING, PLEASE REGISTER. 6 YOU CAN DO THAT BY CALLING AFT 2121. AND IT'S 7 ON THE INFORMATION -- HOW TO REGISTER IS ONLINE. SO YOUR 8 COMMITMENT WILL BE SHOWN BY YOUR WILLINGNESS TO GO ONLINE 9 OR TO READ THIS FLYER. 10 I ALSO WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE 11 WAGE -- THE CAMPAIGN TO END WAGE THEFT. I THINK IT'S BEEN 12 BROUGHT BEFORE YOU BEFORE. I AM NOT 100 PERCENT CERTAIN. 13 IT'S A COALITION OF PEOPLE, ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THE CITY 14 TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LAWS AGAINST PAYING LESS THAN 15 MINIMUM WAGE AND STEALING EMPLOYEE'S TIPS AND NOT PAYING 16 OVERTIME AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT MANY OF THE 17 EMPLOYERS IN SAN FRANCISCO DO, ESPECIALLY IN COMMUNITIES 18 WHERE PEOPLE DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH READILY AND DON'T KNOW 19 WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE THAT THIS CAMPAIGN IS WORKING HARD 20 TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. 21 AND THEY ARE -- AND THEY BROUGHT A RESOLUTION TO 22 THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WHICH WILL BE VOTING ON THIS, AN 23 ORDINANCE TO STRENGTHEN THE ENFORCEMENT OF LABOR LAWS AND 24 REGULATIONS IN SAN FRANCISCO. 25 ON AUGUST 2ND, THERE WILL BE A PRESS EVENT AT JULY 28, 2011 216 1 12:00 NOON AT THE STEPS OF CITY HALL. AND THE HEARING OF 2 THE FULL BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS AT 2:00 P.M. THAT DAY. 3 AND SO I HAVE FLYERS ABOUT THAT AS WELL THAT I WAS HOPING 4 TO DISTRIBUTE TO PEOPLE. 5 I ALSO WANTED TO THANK CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN FOR 6 HIS AGREEMENT TO CONTINUE AS CHANCELLOR HERE. AFT 2121 7 HAS VERY MUCH ENJOYED WORKING WITH HIM. 8 AND TO CONGRATULATE ATTILA GABOR ON HIS GREAT 9 SERVICE AS PRESIDENT OF THE CLASSIFIED SENATE. AND WE'VE 10 ENJOYED WORKING WITH HIM IN THAT CAPACITY TOO. THANK YOU. 11 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 12 CLASSIFIED SENATE. 13 MR. GABOR: MY NAME IS ATTILA GABOR. I AM THE 14 PRESIDENT OF THE CLASSIFIED SENATE. 15 FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE EARLIER. I 16 WAS SO CHOKED UP OVER THE WONDERFUL WORDS. I AM SORRY 17 THAT THIS PRIOR INCIDENT WOULD BE THROWING THE MOOD HERE. 18 THAT'S WHY I COULDN'T THANK ALL OF YOU. IT WAS WONDERFUL 19 WORKING WITH THIS BOARD. 20 AND I DO -- I ACTUALLY DO WANT TO SAY THAT I DO 21 AGREE WITH THE CHANCELLOR. I DO APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE 22 QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED TODAY. WE ARE EXPERIENCING 23 CLASSIFIED, ESPECIALLY THAT WE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS HAVE 24 NOT BEEN ANSWERED. ANSWERS NEED TO BE GIVEN. THIS IS A 25 PUBLIC INSTITUTION. JULY 28, 2011 217 1 VERY FREQUENTLY WE HAVE FANS FOR VARIOUS 2 REASONS. SHARED GOVERNANCE SOMETHING IS GOING WRONG, NOT 3 UP TO DATE. I ASK, WHY IS THAT NOT UPDATED ON THE 4 WEBSITE? 5 WELL, I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR A MONTH. TOO 6 BAD, UPDATE THE WEBSITE. I GET STATEMENTS LIKE THAT. AND 7 I CANNOT GO AND BRING 20 PEOPLE TO THAT FACULTY PERSON AND 8 SAY, NOW DON'T SAY THAT. SO THAT'S RIDICULOUS. ANYWAY 9 THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. WHAT I SAW TODAY AS MEMBER OF 10 THE PUBLIC. 11 SO ALSO I DO WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR MY FELLOW 12 CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEE WHO SHOULD NOT HAVE APPLAUDED IN MY 13 OPINION. I THOUGHT IT WAS EXTREMELY UNPROFESSIONAL. 14 SO AFTER ALL THESE WONDERFUL THOUGHTS, I WANT TO 15 ALSO CALL THE ATTENTION BASICALLY CLASSIFIED GAVE A REPORT 16 ALREADY TODAY EARLIER. AND THAT REPORT WAS -- AND I LOVE 17 CURTIS, BUT THAT WAS A VERY GOOD REPORT THAT HE GAVE US. 18 AND THE DISTRICT SHOULD REMEMBER THAT. 19 WHEN THIS BOARD MEETING STARTED, THE CLASSIFIED 20 EMPLOYEES WERE HERE, SET UP AND READY TO GO. THE PERSON 21 THAT WE ARE CONTRACTING OUT WAS NOT HERE. SO WHENEVER 22 NEXT TIME WE ARE GOING TO HEAR AND SEE THE COLLEGE 23 (INAUDIBLE) REPLACE CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEE'S JOB WANTS TO BE 24 CONTRACTED OUT, MAYBE WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT. AND THAT'S 25 MY WONDERFUL LAST SPEECH. JULY 28, 2011 218 1 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 2 DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE ASSOCIATED STUDENTS 3 HERE? 4 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: I BELIEVE THE OCEAN 5 CAMPUS PRESIDENT IS HERE. 6 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THE NEW OCEAN AVENUE CAMPUS 7 PRESIDENT, MR. ROBERT ARENAS. 8 MR. ARENAS: GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. THIS IS 9 MY FIRST MEETING, AND THERE'S LOTS HAPPENING. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU FOR STICKING IT OUT 11 SO LONG. 12 MR. ARENAS: DEFINITELY. 13 FIRST I WANT TO SAY, IF YOU DON'T KNOW ME, MY 14 NAME IS ROBERT ARENAS. I AM THE A.S. COUNCIL PRESIDENT AT 15 OCEAN. 16 AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DO KNOW ME, I GO BY 17 BOBBY. SO PLEASE, I WANT TO URGE YOU GUYS TO GO BY THAT 18 NAME. IF YOU CALL ME BY ROBERT, I AM PROBABLY NOT GOING 19 TO TURN MY HEAD AROUND. 20 AT THIS MOMENT, WE DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH OF A 21 REPORT. WE GOT INTO OFFICE JULY 1ST. AND WE JUST 22 FINISHED PICKING VP'S AS OF RECENT. BUT I CAN SAY THERE'S 23 A LOT OF PROMISE COMING FOR THIS YEAR. THERE'S A LOT OF 24 GENUINE CARE. A LOT OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE GENUINELY 25 INTERESTED WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY. AND THERE ARE SOME JULY 28, 2011 219 1 WAYS TO CHANGE THAT COMMUNITY AND WAYS OF IMPROVING THE 2 COHESIVENESS OF THE STUDENT BODY AS WELL. 3 SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO CONCENTRATE GREATLY ON 4 IS GETTING STUDENTS TO KNOW BETTER MORE OFTEN, HAVING MORE 5 EVENTS WHERE THEY COULD HAVE INTERACTIONS, NETWORK, SO 6 THEY DON'T HAVE TO WALK INTO THE LIBRARY AND NOT KNOW 7 SOMEBODY TO HANG OUT WITH OR STUDY WITH OR THAT THEY CAN 8 GET INFORMATION FROM. THERE'S TOO MANY STUDENTS WALKING 9 AROUND NOT KNOWING TO RECEIVE THIS INFORMATION OR WHAT TO 10 DO ABOUT IT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE ARE HEAVILY 11 CONCENTRATING ON. 12 FOUR SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE ARE CONCENTRATING 13 ON AS A COUNCIL IS OUTREACH, AWARENESS, TRANSPARENCY AND 14 COHESIVENESS. 15 TRANSPARENCY MEANING THAT WE WANT THEM TO KNOW 16 EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING. THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING 17 BEHIND THE CLOSED DOORS. 18 AND OUTREACH, WE WANT THEM TO GET THEM INVOLVED. 19 I MEAN WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST FOOTBALL TEAMS WITHIN THE 20 COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICTS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING GREATLY 21 TO BE PROUD OF, SO WE NEED TO IMPROVE STUFF LIKE STUDENT 22 INVOLVEMENT WITHIN LIKE SPORTS ACTIVITIES OR EVEN JUST 23 CLUBS AND RESOURCE GROUPS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE ARE 24 DEFINITELY GOING TO DO. WE ARE DEFINITELY -- TOOLS THAT 25 WE WANT TO BE UTILIZED BY THE STUDENTS AS TOOLS OF CHANGE. JULY 28, 2011 220 1 AND I AM JUST HERE TO SAY THAT NO STUDENT WILL 2 BE LEFT BEHIND UNDER OUR COMMAND. VOICES WILL BE HEARD 3 AND THE SYSTEM WILL LISTEN TO US. AND THAT IS ALL. 4 AND I WANT TO THANK CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN FOR 5 STICKING IT OUT NEXT YEAR. 6 I ALSO WANT TO THANK ELIZABETH BECAUSE SHE HAS 7 HELPED ME ALONG THUS FAR INTO GETTING INTO MY ROLE. 8 I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY VP OF ADMIN FOR 9 COMING ALONG WITH ME AND STICKING IT OUT AS WELL. 10 SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. AND JUST TO 11 EVERYBODY, THERE'S A LOT OF TENSION HERE TONIGHT, BUT LET 12 US NOT FORGET WHY WE ARE TRULY HERE. WE ARE ALL HERE 13 BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND THE EDUCATION OF 14 OUR FELLOW STUDENTS. THANK YOU. 15 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 16 OKAY, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANYMORE STUDENT 17 REPS HERE. SO THE MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT. 18 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: NOTHING. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: NOTHING. 20 CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION THOUGH? 21 A POTENTIAL DEFAULT, WOULD A DEFAULT AT A 22 LOWERING -- OR A LOWERING OF CREDIT RATING OF THE U.S. 23 GOVERNMENT AFFECT US; SUCH AS INCREASED INTEREST RATES OR 24 SOMETHING? 25 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: IT COULD AFFECT US IN A NUMBER JULY 28, 2011 221 1 OF WAYS. I DON'T THINK YOU WANT ME TO TALK FOR 20 2 MINUTES. 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: NO. 4 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: JUST THINK OF IT SIMPLY AS IF 5 THE MARKETS REACTED NEGATIVELY FOR ANY PROLONGED AMOUNT OF 6 TIME, THIS STATE IS OVERLY DEPENDENT ON CAPITAL GAINS 7 TAXES. AND SO IF THAT SOURCE OF REVENUE WENT DOWN, THEN 8 THE STATE'S REVENUES ARE GOING TO GO DOWN, AND THEY ARE 9 NOT GOING TO MEET THE REVENUE TARGETS. 10 IN TERMS OF THE INTEREST RATES, WE PAY -- YOU 11 KNOW, PRIMARILY THROUGH THE TRANS, WE ARE ALREADY LOCKED 12 IN. 13 PRESIDENT RIZZO: OKAY. 14 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: WE'VE ALREADY MARKETED, SO I 15 DON'T SEE THAT AFFECTING US. 16 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SO I JUST THINK ABOUT THAT 17 $80 MILLION LOAN THAT WE HAVE OR DEBT THAT WE HAVE. 18 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: RIGHT. 19 PRESIDENT RIZZO: AND I'M GLAD THAT'S LOCKED IN. 20 VCFA GOLDSTEIN: IT'S NOT GOOD. AND I STILL 21 BELIEVE THAT THEY'LL WORK SOMETHING OUT ONE WAY OR 22 ANOTHER. 23 PRESIDENT RIZZO: LET'S HOPE. THANK YOU. 24 LET'S SEE, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES' REPORTS. 25 TRUSTEE JACKSON. JULY 28, 2011 222 1 VICE PRESIDENT JACKSON: SO I AM GOING TO MAKE 2 THIS SHORT. I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT GUS SAID IN TERMS 3 OF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I THINK MS. WHITE GOT, YOU KNOW, TOOK 4 A BEATING TODAY. WE HAVE NOT EVER QUESTIONED THE 5 RECEPTION OF A GRANT THAT STRONGLY EVER. I HAVE NEVER 6 SEEN US RECEIVE MONEY, SOMEONE GIVE US MONEY, AND WE 7 QUESTION THE MONEY. 8 AND I AM OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE INDIRECT 9 COSTS. I AM OPEN TO LOOKING AT THAT, BUT I HAVE NEVER 10 SEEN US QUESTION A GRANT THAT HARD BEFORE. 11 IN ADDITION, I HAVE NEVER SEEN US QUESTION 12 $12,000 OF RENT. YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY, WE'VE PASSED 13 THINGS THAT WERE SHORT NOTICE BECAUSE THEY WERE VERY 14 IMPORTANT. MOVING A CHILD CARE CENTER FROM -- THAT'S BEEN 15 THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS IS A VERY SERIOUS MATTER. AND SO, 16 YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE THAT MAYBE IT POSSIBLY SHOULD HAVE 17 COME EARLIER, BUT I ALSO HAVE NEVER SEEN A DEGREE OF 18 QUESTIONING FOR US RECEIVING $2 MILLION AND US PAYING 19 $12,000 OF RENT. 20 SO I DON'T GET -- YOU KNOW, I AM AN UNABASHED 21 SUPPORTER OF THE CHILD DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. I AM JUST 22 UNABASHED. I TAKE HEAT FOR IT ALL THE TIME. I AM IN 23 CHILD DEVELOPMENT AS A PROFESSION. I SUPPORT CHILD 24 DEVELOPMENT. AND I KNOW THE WORK THAT SHE DOES BECAUSE 25 WHEN YOUR KID IS FIVE AND THEY CAN'T SPELL THEIR FIRST JULY 28, 2011 223 1 NAME, THAT'S A PROBLEM. AND THAT'S THE STUFF THAT CHILD 2 DEVELOPMENT KIND OF REMEDIES BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS 3 THAT GO TO KINDERGARTEN NOT KNOWING HOW TO SPELL THEIR 4 FIRST OR LAST NAME, AND THEY ARE ALREADY BEHIND. AND IT'S 5 VERY UNLIKELY WITH HOW WE FUND EDUCATION IF THEY'RE EVER 6 GOING TO CATCH UP. 7 AND SO IF MS. WHITE IN THAT DEPARTMENT GETS KIDS 8 EVEN JUST UP TO PAR FOR CALIFORNIA STANDARDS, AND KEEP IN 9 MIND WE ARE AT 40TH, SO WE ARE BEHIND MISSISSIPPI. SO 10 EVEN IF WE GET TO OUR CALIFORNIA STANDARDS, I AM 11 APPRECIATIVE OF THAT EFFORT. 12 AND, YOU KNOW, THERE COMES A POINT WHERE WE ARE 13 PALING ON TO CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS, AND I DON'T LIKE IT. 14 AND WHEN I SEE CAMPUSES AND DEPARTMENTS KIND OF GET 15 BULLIED, I KIND OF GET WORRIED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I KNOW 16 THE GOOD WORK THAT DEPARTMENT DOES. I'VE SEEN IT IN 17 ACTION. I'VE SEEN THE PARENTS SWEAR TO IT. AND I KNOW 18 THE GOOD THAT IT DOES FOR OUR OVERALL EDUCATIONAL 19 ACHIEVEMENT. 20 SO THE ACHIEVEMENT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE 21 ACHIEVEMENT GAP NOT STARTING AT CITY COLLEGE, HER 22 DEPARTMENT IS ONE OF THOSE FACTORS THAT STOP US FROM 23 GETTING KIDS THAT READ AT EIGHTH GRADE LEVEL WHEN THEY 24 COME TO CITY COLLEGE. 25 SO IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AN INVESTMENT, YOU JULY 28, 2011 224 1 FUND HER. WE WON'T HAVE TO SPEND SO MUCH ON BASIC SKILLS 2 ON THE BACK END IF YOU LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT. 3 SO IF THIS IS CALLED A RINGING ENDORSEMENT OF A 4 DEPARTMENT, I DON'T CARE AT THIS TIME. YOU KNOW, I 5 HAVE -- YOU KNOW, I WILL FULLY SUPPORT THIS DEPARTMENT. 6 BUT I ALSO WILL LOOK AT ISSUES WHERE WE CAN SAVE 7 MONEY. BUT I AM A FULL UNABASHED SUPPORTER OF A CHILD 8 DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. AND I JUST WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE. 9 SO I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT GUS SAID; I'VE 10 NEVER SEEN QUESTIONING LIKE THAT BEFORE FOR THE ITEMS THAT 11 HAVE BEEN HERE. 12 BUT ON A HAPPIER NOTE, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE 13 COMMUNITY -- YOU KNOW, THE CHANGES THAT HAVE GONE ON AT 14 CITY COLLEGE THE SOUTHEAST CAMPUS. YOU KNOW, THE HIRING 15 OF A NEW COORDINATOR THERE. THOSE HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD 16 CHANGES. AND THE COMMUNITY HAS RESPONDED IN KIND SAYING 17 THAT THEY REALLY DO SEE THE CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING AT 18 THE SOUTHEAST CAMPUS. THE COMMITMENT TO PUTTING CLASSES 19 THERE. THE COMMITMENT OF THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION 20 OF REALLY INVESTING TO PAY FOR THESE CLASSES, WHICH IS A 21 BIG THING AS WELL. AND CLASSES THAT ARE MEANINGFUL TO THE 22 COMMUNITY. 23 YOU KNOW, I MUST SAY -- I MUST COMMEND THE 24 CHANCELLOR. I MUST COMMEND, YOU KNOW, OUR ACADEMIC STAFF 25 AND ALL SUPPORT CLASSIFIED STAFF THAT THAT IS A GOOD THING JULY 28, 2011 225 1 WITHIN THIS INSTITUTION. AND, YOU KNOW, I REALLY COMMEND 2 YOU GUYS FOR THE HARD WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. 3 AND LASTLY, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, END THIS 4 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I AM NOT AN OBSTRUCTIONIST. I LIKE TO 5 PUSH CHANGE, NOT HOLD STUFF BACK. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF 6 ANYBODY TOOK MY STANCE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE 7 POLICE ACADEMY AS AN OBSTRUCTIONIST TYPE OF MEASURE, YOU 8 KNOW I DO HOPE TO CHANGE YOUR PERCEPTION OF THAT BECAUSE 9 IT WAS NOT MEANT IN ANY WAY TO OBSTRUCT OR TO HOLD BACK OR 10 TO PUNISH THE FACULTY THAT DO THE REAL TEACHING JOB THERE. 11 IT WAS REALLY MEANT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF 12 COMMUNITY RELATIONS THAT NEED TO BE HEALED WITH THE POLICE 13 DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY. AND AT THIS TIME IT'S NOT 14 REALLY POSSIBLE FOR ME AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF SPECIFIC 15 COMMUNITIES KNOWING THAT I AM ELECTED CITYWIDE, BUT REALLY 16 REPORTING BACK TO SPECIFIC COMMUNITIES. I COULD NOT MAKE 17 THAT VOTE. 18 AND I AM SORRY FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART. I 19 DON'T MEAN TO HOLD UP ANYTHING OR OBSTRUCT ANYTHING OR ANY 20 DISRESPECT TO THE FOLKS WHO DO GOOD WORK, BUT I COULD NOT 21 TAKE THAT VOTE AND I DO APOLOGIZE. 22 I WILL DO THE WORK THAT TRUSTEE WONG AND, YOU 23 KNOW, FRED AND OTHER FOLKS SUGGESTED THAT I DO. AND I 24 WILL DEFINITELY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND I DO HOPE 25 THAT WHEN A MASTER AGREEMENT COMES UP, THAT IF ALL THOSE JULY 28, 2011 226 1 PARAMETERS AND FACTORS ARE MET, I WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE A 2 VOTE AND VOTE "YES" BECAUSE I'VE MADE REAL POSITIVE CHANGE 3 WITH THE CADETS WHO ARE GOING TO ONE DAY BE PATROLLING MY 4 NEIGHBORHOOD. 5 SO I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND 6 THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. I LOOK FORWARD TO 7 THE NEW SCHOOL TERM. AND TAKE CARE. THANKS. 8 PRESIDENT RIZZO: TRUSTEE FANG. 9 STUDENT TRUSTEE FANG: WELL, LOOKING FORWARD TO 10 NEXT MONTH'S MEETING BECAUSE SCHOOL WILL BE BACK IN 11 SESSION. AND I AM SURE STUDENTS ARE EAGER TO ADD CLASSES 12 THEN. 13 ON THE I GUESS THE ASSOCIATED STUDENT FRONT, 14 OVER THE NEXT ACADEMIC YEAR, I WILL BE WORKING ON ENGAGING 15 A COUPLE OF PRIMARY TASKS. ONE OF WHICH IS ACTUALLY 16 TRYING TO WORK WITH OTHER COLLEGES, OTHER COMMUNITY 17 COLLEGES AROUND THE BAY AREA IN OUR REGION 3 OF SSCCC TO 18 MAYBE WORK TO GET A PILOT PROJECT FOR A 10 PERCENT 19 DISCOUNT ON BART OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR 20 STUDENTS FOR ALL STUDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND THE 21 NEIGHBORING COLLEGE DISTRICT AS WELL. 22 I WOULD ALSO EMBARK ON IMPROVING COMMUNICATION 23 ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL -- WITH ALL THE STUDENT COUNCILS 24 THAT WE HAVE AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE COULD WORK 25 BETTER TOGETHER AND INFORMATION FLOW IS PROPER. JULY 28, 2011 227 1 AND I WILL BE FORTHCOMING WITH MORE SPECIFICS 2 NEXT MONTH. THANK YOU. 3 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU, TRUSTEE. 4 I WOULD ONLY HAVE ONE THING TO REPORT. THE 5 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AFTER MANY YEARS HAVE FINALLY 6 APPROVED THE LAND SWAP AGREEMENT IN THE RESERVOIR. SO WE 7 CAN NOW MOVE ON AND BUILD THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. 8 THAT WAS A LONG TIME COMING. IN THE MONTHS AHEAD, WE WILL 9 BE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT, SO THANK YOU. 10 THE NEXT ITEM, I THINK WE ARE JUST ABOUT DONE. 11 CHANCELLOR, DO YOU HAVE A REPORT? 12 CHANCELLOR GRIFFIN: I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE 13 BOARD AND THE COLLEGE COMMUNITY FOR THIS YEAR IN TERMS OF 14 ANOTHER YEAR OF CONTRACT FOR ME. 15 UNFORTUNATELY, I WISH THAT I COULD SAY THAT 16 ANYTHING THAT I'VE SAID I DON'T -- I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY, 17 AND THAT I COULD APOLOGIZE FOR. BUT ACTUALLY, I DO MEAN 18 WHAT I SAY. AND I DON'T WANT TO APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I THINK 19 THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE 800-POUND 20 GORILLA IN THE ROOM. AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL 21 WITH IT SOON. SO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO DEAL 22 WITH IT, WE NEED TO DEAL WITH IT. 23 AND IF SOMEONE BELIEVES THAT I AM CRITICIZING 24 ANY SPECIFIC PROGRAM, FORGET ABOUT IT, I AM NOT. THEY 25 ARE -- ALL THE PROGRAMS ARE MY CHILDREN. AND I PLAN TO JULY 28, 2011 228 1 SUPPORT ALL OF THEM. 2 AND AS A MATTER OF FACT IF YOU LOOK AT THE 3 RECORD IN TERMS OF THE BOARD SUPPORT OF PROGRAMS, I WILL 4 DEFY YOU TO GIVE ME EXAMPLES OF WHERE THE BOARD HAS VOTED 5 DOWN OR ATTACKED THROUGH THEIR VOTING ACTION PROGRAMS, 6 REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S CHILD DEVELOPMENT, MATH, 7 ENGLISH, WHATEVER. JUST FIND ME THE EXAMPLE AND BRING IT 8 TO ME AND SAY THIS IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED. 9 NOW THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION. AND I THINK 10 PEOPLE ARE VERY FEARFUL OF THE DISCUSSION WHEN IT COMES 11 DOWN. WE HAVE TO KIND OF GET OVER THAT. AND I STILL 12 BELIEVE THAT VERY STRONGLY. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE 13 GOING TO SOLVE THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE OF PROBLEM. 14 I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE -- I AM CERTAINLY NOT 15 SAYING THE DEPARTMENTS ARE AT FAULT. AND I AM CERTAINLY 16 NOT SAYING THAT SHARED GOVERNANCE IS AT FAULT. AND I AM 17 NOT SAYING THE BOARD IS AT FAULT. BUT THERE IS A FAULT 18 SOMEWHERE THAT LIES AMONG US THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED 19 BECAUSE THIS EXTREME SENSITIVITY TO HAVING A DIALOGUE HAS 20 NOW BECOME A PROBLEM THAT I HAVE TO RECOGNIZE. 21 IN MY USUAL PATIENT SENSE AND MY PRIOR 22 PROFESSION AS A PSYCHOLOGIST, YOU KNOW, YOU SIT BACK AND 23 YOU KIND OF OBSERVE AND YOU LET PEOPLE DO THEIR THING AND 24 SO FORTH. AND IT'S ACTUALLY A POINT WHERE I GUESS THERE'S 25 GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LOT MORE ACTIVE INTERVENTION INTO JULY 28, 2011 229 1 THIS BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE TO -- ANY THOUGHTFUL PERSON 2 KNOWS THAT IT HAS TO GET RESOLVED, THAT WE CAN'T CONTINUE 3 TO DO WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE AT THESE MEETINGS. THIS DOES 4 NOT REPRESENT THE BEST OF CITY COLLEGE. THESE BOARD 5 MEETINGS DO NOT REPRESENT THE BEST OF CITY COLLEGE. 6 IN FACT I WOULD EVEN SAY THAT IN MANY RESPECTS 7 WHAT THE INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS AND DYNAMICS THAT GO 8 ON HERE PROBABLY REPRESENT SOME OF THE WORST OF CITY 9 COLLEGE. AND I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN SOME OF THE THINGS 10 THAT ARE HAPPENING HERE. I DO LOVE EVERY ONE OF THE 11 PROGRAMS, AND I THINK THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE TO LOVE EVERY 12 ONE OF THE PROGRAMS. THERE ARE NO FAVORITES. AND SO WE 13 JUST HAVE TO STAY FOCUSED ON THAT. AND I AM VERY 14 CONCERNED ABOUT IT BECAUSE -- I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT 15 IT. THAT'S -- I WILL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. I AM VERY 16 CONCERNED ABOUT IT. 17 I DO LOVE THE TEACHERS. I LOVE AFT 2121. I 18 LOVE SEIU. I THINK THESE -- AND I LOVE DCC AS WELL 19 BECAUSE THESE ARE GREAT INSTITUTIONS HERE AT THE COLLEGE. 20 THEY SERVE EXTREMELY WELL. THEY HAVE SUFFERED. THEY HAVE 21 BORN A LOT OF STUFF. BUT THE BOARD HAS SUFFERED TOO AND 22 THE BOARD HAS LABORED AS WELL THROUGH ALL OF OUR TIMES AND 23 PUT IN TREMENDOUS EFFORT TO TRY TO KEEP THIS COLLEGE 24 VIBRANT. AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF LABOR IN 25 TERMS OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING. JULY 28, 2011 230 1 AND IT'S JUST AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT THAT I'VE 2 NEVER TEEN BEFORE. AND YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT EITHER IN 3 TERMS OF THE WORKLOAD THAT THEY'VE ASSUMED. 4 SO IT'S NOT JUST SIMPLE, OH, YEAH, WE ARE GOING 5 TO VOTE FOR THIS AND THAT. BUT THEY PUT THEIR BODIES AND 6 THEIR ENERGIES AND THEIR MINDS WHERE IT COUNTS. 7 AND ANYBODY WHO'S OBSERVING ALL THE COMMITTEES, 8 AND I GO TO AS MANY COMMITTEES AS I CAN GO TO, AND I GO TO 9 AS MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH BOARD MEMBERS AS I CAN GO 10 TO, AND I GO TO AS MUCH TO GO TO SEE THE SUPERVISORS, AND 11 GO DOWN TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. WE ARE DOING THIS ALL THE 12 TIME. AND WE ARE NOT DOING IT AND ADVERTISING EVERY 13 MOMENT OF WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THE PUBLIC. BUT WE ARE 14 DOING THIS AND STRUGGLING FOR IT. 15 CHRIS JACKSON WAS AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO 16 SPEAK ON THIS VERY ISSUE OF THE BRUTALITY IN HIS COMMUNITY 17 IN REGARDS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING TO AFRICAN AMERICANS AND 18 OTHERS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 19 BUT FOR ME, I AM A CITY COLLEGE PERSON. SO 20 THEREFORE, MY NARROW FOCUS IS THE SURVIVAL AND THE 21 THRIVING OF CITY COLLEGE. THAT'S MY NARROW FOCUS. AND IF 22 YOU DON'T WANT ME TO DO THAT AND YOU DON'T THINK I SHOULD 23 BE DOING THAT, I AM PERFECTLY WILLING TO TAKE AN EXIT AND 24 LEAVE. AND IF YOU THINK I AM NOT DOING IT, THAT'S FINE 25 TOO. JULY 28, 2011 231 1 BUT THE PROBLEM I AM IDENTIFYING IS NOT ABOUT 2 YOUR GOODNESS. I THINK YOU ARE VERY, VERY GOOD. THE 3 PROBLEM IDENTIFIED IS HOW DO WE TAKE THE GOODNESS OF THE 4 BOARD AND THE GOODNESS OF THE COLLEGE CONSTITUENT GROUPS 5 AND MARRY IT IN A WAY THAT'S MEANINGFUL INSTEAD OF AN 6 ARGUMENT AND A FIGHT AND DISTRUST AND THE WHOLE NINE YARDS 7 THAT WE ARE SEEING. YOU'VE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE. 8 I DISAGREE IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE 9 EARLY CHILDHOOD PROGRAM. I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS A 10 RESPECTFUL COMMUNICATION. THAT PEOPLE GOT UP. THEY 11 SPOKE. WE LISTENED TO THEM AND SO FORTH. I DIDN'T SEE 12 IT. AND I AM GOING TO LOOK AT THE TAPES BECAUSE I WANT TO 13 SEE WHAT IT IS THAT I MISSED IF I MISSED SOMETHING. I 14 DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE THAT. 15 I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE EVERYONE IN THE COLLEGE TO 16 SPEAK TO BOARD MEMBERS, TO SPEAK TO ADMINISTRATORS, TO 17 SPEAK TO ANYBODY YOU WANT. AND I AM CERTAINLY AND TOTALLY 18 HAPPY THAT THE PUBLIC CAME OUT TONIGHT. AND IN FACT IF WE 19 COULD GET THIS MANY PEOPLE COMING OUT TO EVERY BOARD 20 MEETING, IT WOULD BE TERRIFIC. SO I HAVE NO CRITICISM FOR 21 PEOPLE COMING. AND I HAVE NO CRITICISM FOR EVEN, YOU 22 KNOW, IF CERTAIN PARTIES ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME, WHAT'S 23 WRONG WITH THAT? WE ARE DEMOCRACY. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG 24 WITH THAT. SO I AM NOT DISCOURAGED ABOUT THAT AT ALL. 25 MY POINT IS VERY SIMPLE. THE BOARD WAS NOT JULY 28, 2011 232 1 DISCOURTEOUS. NOW YOU SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN I DO, 2 FINE. DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I DID NOT SEE THE 3 DISCOURTESY. NOW WE WILL FIND OUT I GUESS IF WE CAN FIND 4 OUT ANYTHING BY LOOKING AT THE TAPE. BUT WE WILL LOOK AT 5 THE TAPE AND SEE. AND IF I SAW A DISCOURTESY AND I SAW 6 ABUSE, I WILL COME BACK AND I WILL APOLOGIZE FOR MY 7 STATEMENT NEXT MONTH. BUT I DID NOT SEE IT IN THIS 8 SITUATION. 9 I THINK THAT WE ALL LOVE THE COLLEGE, AND WE ARE 10 ALL STRUGGLING FOR ITS BETTERMENT AND FOR THE STUDENTS. 11 SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD QUESTION EACH OTHER'S 12 CREDENTIALS ABOUT THAT. AND WHEN I SAY, "CREDENTIALS," 13 I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BOARD'S CREDENTIAL, NOR THE 14 FACULTY, NOR THE CLASSIFIED, NOR THE STUDENTS, NOR 15 ADMINISTRATION. 16 MY BELIEF IS THAT WE ALL LOVE THE COLLEGE, AND 17 WE ARE WORKING HARD FOR IT. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. 18 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 19 THE NEXT ITEM IS REQUEST TO SPEAK FROM THE 20 PUBLIC. I HAVE ONE REQUEST HERE FROM RICH COPENHAGEN. 21 MR. COPENHAGEN: THANK YOU. THINGS GOT A LITTLE 22 BIT HEATED FOR A MINUTE, SO THIS MIGHT SEEM -- 23 WELL, ANYWAYS I WILL START. I'M RICH 24 COPENHAGEN. I AM ONE OF THE REGION 3 SENATORS FOR THE 25 STUDENT SENATE FOR CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY COLLEGES. I JULY 28, 2011 233 1 REPRESENT YOUR COLLEGE AT THE STATE. AND I AM THE 2 STUDENTS TRUSTEE FOR THE PERALTA COMMUNITY COLLEGE BOARD 3 OF TRUSTEE COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT. AND THIS IS LIKE 4 THE LONGEST BOARD MEETING I HAVE EVER BEEN IN. 5 SO ANYWAYS, I WAS JUST GOING TO COME FORWARD 6 REALLY QUICKLY WITH A COMMENT ON PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE 7 AND YOUR -- JUST YOUR TRANSPARENCY AND CLARITY TO THE 8 PUBLIC. I THINK THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING A LOT OF GOOD 9 WORK GETTING REALLY DEEP INTO THE ISSUES, WHICH I REALLY 10 ENJOY. I DON'T GET A LOT OF THAT SOMETIMES IN MY BOARD. 11 BUT MAKING SURE THAT YOU ARE CLEAR ON YOUR 12 MOTIONS AND CLEAR ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING DISCUSSED AND 13 MAKING SURE THAT ANTIDOTAL THINGS ARE MOVED TO COMMITTEE 14 AND MOVED TO FUTURE DISCUSSIONS WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE 15 PUBLIC BECAUSE EVEN MYSELF AS SITTING ON A BOARD OF 16 TRUSTEES AND BEING VERY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH PUBLIC 17 MEETINGS, I GOT A LITTLE BIT LOST AT CERTAIN POINTS AND I 18 WAS LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON? 19 SO I WOULD JUST APPRECIATE THAT IF YOU WOULD 20 LOOK INTO THAT. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HOPE WE ARE A 21 LITTLE BIT LESS TENSE NOW. 22 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU. 23 WE HAVE ONE MORE REQUEST TO SPEAK. 24 MR. SCOTT: I WILL FILL IT OUT IN JUST A MOMENT. 25 PRESIDENT RIZZO: SPEAK FIRST, YES. JULY 28, 2011 234 1 MR. SCOTT: RODGER SCOTT. I HAVE BEEN A FACULTY 2 MEMBER HERE SINCE 1972 AND ON THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF THE 3 UNION MOST OF THAT TIME. 4 I WAS GOING TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE OIL 5 EXTRACTION TAX INITIATIVE. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE 6 EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THAT. IT WILL BE A GREAT DEAL OF 7 MONEY. THERE ARE NO GREATER CORPORATE VILLANS THAN THE 8 OIL COMPANIES. TEACHERS HAVE OUR FAILINGS, BUT WE ARE 9 VIEWED AS BEING SOMEWHAT HEROIC IN THE CLASSROOMS. 10 TEACHER UNIONS DON'T FAIR QUITE AS WELL. 11 I THINK WE NEED TO GET BEHIND THIS INITIATIVE IN 12 WAYS THAT WE AREN'T. IT WILL MEAN A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY 13 FOR ALL FOUR SECTORS OF PUBLIC EDUCATION. AND I THINK 14 IT'S CERTAINLY -- IT'S CERTAINLY A GOOD INITIATIVE. 15 IT'S DIVIDED A LOT OF PROGRESSIVE PEOPLE BECAUSE 16 IT'S SET ASIDE AND NOT GOING IN WITH THE GENERAL FUND, BUT 17 IN THE VIEW OF THE VOTERS, THAT'S A MORE OF AN ASSET. 18 QUICK COMMENTARY, I HAVE A VERY HIGH REGARD FOR 19 THIS BOARD. I THINK YOU ARE THE BEST IN THE STATE. I 20 HAVE A VERY HIGH REGARD FOR MY FRIEND AND MY LEADER 21 DR. GRIFFIN. 22 I CONCUR WITH THE JUDGEMENT THOUGH THAT PEOPLE 23 DID GET -- PEOPLE WERE A BIT UNPLEASANT AND OUT OF LINE IN 24 THE COMMENTS TO MY COLLEAGUE KATHLEEN. 25 I ALSO THINK THAT PART OF IT WE'RE IN A CRISIS JULY 28, 2011 235 1 RIGHT NOW. THESE INTERMINABLY -- THESE VERY, VERY LONG 2 MEETINGS PUT PEOPLE NEAR THE EDGE. AND I THINK WE -- AND 3 I ALSO -- MY COMRADE, DR. GRIFFIN, IS TOO LONG SUFFERING 4 IN MOST WAYS. AND I THINK HE WENT OVERBOARD IN THE 5 OPPOSITE DIRECTION A BIT THIS EVENING. 6 YOU ARE AN OUTSTANDING BOARD. I HAVE A HIGH 7 REGARD FOR YOU AS A GROUP. AND PERSONALLY, THESE ARE VERY 8 GOOD PEOPLE IN THE ROOM TOO. AND WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE 9 BETTER WITH MORE CIVILITY. THANK YOU. 10 PRESIDENT RIZZO: THANK YOU THE MEETING IS 11 ADJOURNED. 12 (MEETING ADJOURNED AT 11:30 P.M.) 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JULY 28, 2011 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER I, THE UNDERSIGNED, A DULY AUTHORIZED CERTIFIED SHORTHAND REPORTER, DO HEREBY CERTIFY THAT THE FOREGOING PROCEEDINGS WERE TAKEN DOWN BY ME IN STENOTYPE AND THEREAFTER TRANSCRIBED INTO TYPEWRITING BY COMPUTER, UNDER MY DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION, AND THAT THIS TRANSCRIPT IS A TRUE RECORD OF THE SAID PROCEEDINGS. DATED: AUGUST 19, 2011 ______________________________ MICHELE M. SHEA, CSR NO. 11345 STATE OF CALIFORNIA